Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

With all due respect and assumptions of good faith, please fuck off into the sun.

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

I’m more christian than these people and i’m an atheist.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

This really is a full service blog.

The “burn-it-down” people are good with that until they become part of the kindling.

Tick tock motherfuckers!

The words do not have to be perfect.

Compromise? There is no middle ground between a firefighter and an arsonist.

Everybody saw this coming.

Since when do we limit our critiques to things we could do better ourselves?

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

I did not have this on my fuck 2025 bingo card.

American history and black history cannot be separated.

Disagreements are healthy; personal attacks are not.

This isn’t Democrats spending madly. This is government catching up.

If you voted for Trump, you don’t get to speak about ethics, morals, or rule of law.

Every decision we make has lots of baggage with it, known or unknown.

Their freedom requires your slavery.

Every one of the “Roberts Six” lied to get on the court.

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  2. 2.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Listen to the bit Springsteen posted. Skip the comments.

    Sunny and 66 here on election day.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Nice photo essay: ‘I hope it makes a difference’: voters on remote Maine island cast their ballot

    The choice not to wear a mask isn’t as politicized on Matinicus as it is elsewhere in the state. However, Matinicus Isle Plantation typically does skew Republican, though you wouldn’t know that from walking around town. While neighborhoods throughout rural Maine have been taken over with red, white and blue signs advocating for political candidates (and some off-color ones advocating for nobody) as of mid-October, there was only one house on the island openly supporting their preferred party.

    Interesting that of the people they talked to, only 2 alluded to which way they were voting and it’s a pretty safe bet it wasn’t for trump.

  4. 4.

    raven

    I didn’t realize I had recorded two “This Old House” episodes about Paradise. I didn’t see my friends but it was still good to see the rebuilding.

  6. 6.

    germy

    Biden campaign cancels Austin rally; Trump supporters reportedly harass bus on I-35

    In Pflugerville, Texas House Representative Sheryl Cole tweeted the Biden bus was supposed to make a stop there with the Austin Young Democrats but she wrote they, too, had to cancel–but due to security reasons.

    “Pro-Trump Protesters have escalated well beyond safe limits,” she posted.

    She quoted a tweet from Texas House Rep Rafael Anchía, who claimed “Armed Trump trolls harassing Biden Bus on I-35, ramming volunteer vehicles & blocking traffic for 40 mins.”

    https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/biden-campaign-cancels-austin-rally-trump-supporters-reportedly-harass-bus-on-i-35

  14. 14.

    MazeDancer

    Texas likely to be called early.

    They refused to expand mail-in. Dems have voted. The GOP are going to vote on Election Day.

    Texas Tribune:

       In past statewide elections, we’ve known who was going to win fairly early in the night. In 2016, many news organizations had declared Trump the winner in Texas by a few minutes after 8 p.m. And even in Texas’ relatively close U.S. Senate race in 2018, Republican incumbent Ted Cruz was the clear winner against Democrat Beto O’Rourke by around 9:30 p.m.

  15. 15.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @MazeDancer: Texas likely to be called early.

    The last thing I would do is make any kind of prediction about an election that has already recorded a record turnout before election day. Whatever else this may be, it’s not going to be like previous elections.

  17. 17.

    John S.

    @germy: Same shit happened at the polling place here last week. A bunch of Trump thugs started attacking Biden supporters. The police were called, but predictably did nothing as in so many other instances. They make it quite obvious who they are supporting (some were photographed wearing Blue Lives Matter gear).

    It’s not stopping or slowing down the constant influx of voters. And in the bluest county of Florida (Broward), high turnout is bad news for Trump.

  18. 18.

    OzarkHillbilly

    The eradication of the first nest of Asian giant hornets on US soil somewhat resembled a science fiction depiction of an alien landing site. A crew of government specialists in white, astronaut-like protective suits descended upon the hornet nexus to vanquish it with a futuristic-looking vacuum cleaner, to the relief of onlookers.

    The nest of the fearsome invasive insects, notoriously known as “murder hornets”, was found in a tree crevice near Blaine, in Washington state, via a tracking device attached to a previously captured worker hornet. The Washington state department of agriculture (WSDA) confirmed the nest had been successfully removed, with dozens of live captives taken back for inspection.

    “It was cold so they were docile, so between their slowness and the protective gear no one was hurt,” said Chris Looney, a WSDA entomologist who was tasked with vacuuming up the hornets.

    Wielding a lengthy, toxic stinger, the hornets can cause renal failure and death in people, as dozens of people in Japan have found out to their cost. One entomologist in Canada described the feeling of being stung as like “having hot tacks pushed into my flesh”.

    They can also squirt venom, as Looney saw first-hand when his lab workbench was sprayed by hornets as they roused themselves following capture. “I was more worried about getting permanent nerve damage in the eye from the squirted venom than being stung,” said Looney, who wore goggles for the capture. “They are pretty intimidating, even for an inch-and-a-half insect. They are big and loud and I know it would hurt very badly if I get stung. They give me the willies.”

  19. 19.

    John S.

    @MazeDancer: More votes have been cast in Texas before Election Day than were cast in 2016 on Election Day.

    As OzarkHillbilly said, this is not like any other election year and nobody can really predict what will happen.

    But to be honest, nothing we are seeing portends good things for Trump.

  21. 21.

    germy

    @OzarkHillbilly:  I was attacked about ten years ago by a bunch of hornets, after I disturbed their nest on the side of my house.

    They swarmed aggressively.  One of them got me on the side of my nose, and I still have a tiny mark there

    These were the regular variety, not the murdering kind.

  22. 22.

    Steeplejack

    I had a good respite yesterday. My brother was off work and we hadn’t seen each other much lately, so we motored out I-66 and then onto the rural roads past Manassas and Front Royal (Virginia). Beautiful country, and the weather turned out to be very nice. It was gray and rainy when I left my house, but by the time we got out of the D.C. area it was in the low 50s and sunny.

    Lots of farms, horse farms and “farmettes.” (You know you’re in high cotton when that picturesque place for sale is being handled by Sotheby’s.) Lots of autumn colors and, unfortunately, lots of Trump signs, although there were some Biden signs, too, especially in the occasional small towns.

    We ended up in Strasburg, in Shenandoah County, and had a late lunch at El Jalapeño. Very good food, hardly anybody in the place, so social distancing was not a problem. (That was my first sit-down restaurant meal since mid-March.) We got on 66 again where it meets I-81 and came home, with a stop at a Walmart supercenter outside Front Royal so that Bro’ Man could pick up a few things. Mask use was very good there, which surprised me a bit, given the rural, Trumpian area. Big signs posted at the door saying masks required. The store was pretty busy, but I saw only three or four people with their masks under their noses and (of course) one asshole who had his mask slung down on his chin.

    I felt remarkably good when I got home, and the feeling persisted last night. Mental note to get out of the bunker more often.

  24. 24.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    @John S.: The frustrating thing is that RWNJs are far more likely to open fire on police officers than pretty much any other politically motivated group. Yet the police constantly seem to think those guys are on their side. Tells you how racist most cops are…they would rather jawbone with the guys most likely to kill them if it means they get to keep abusing people of color.

  25. 25.

    What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?

    Does anyone know how polling works wrt people who have already voted? If a pollster calls someone who already voted do they ask who they voted for and include the results in the poll? Or do they ignore “already voted” and just poll people who have yet to vote? I think it’s the latter?

  26. 26.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    So the Kentucky State Police had a little training material problem revealed that undoubtedly afflicts thousands of departments across the country.  This problem is magnified by the other national problem – our shitty, overpaid 24/7 national broadcast and print media never, ever caught an inkling of it, because they were too busy simply amplifying the voices of police press spokesmen and serving as mimeograph machines.

    It took a high school newspaper to catch it, much to the shame of the overpaid fuckheads that have infested newsrooms and airtime for the past 30 years.

    KSP training slideshow quotes Hitler, advocates ‘ruthless’ violence

    A training slideshow used by the Kentucky State Police (KSP) — the second largest police force in the state — urges cadets to be “ruthless killer[s]” and quotes Adolf Hitler advocating violence.
    The slideshow was included in KSP documents obtained via an open records request by local attorney David Ward of Adams Landenwich Walton during the discovery phase of a lawsuit. Ward requested KSP materials used to train a detective who shot and killed a man in Harlan County, and Ward shared the presentation with Manual RedEye.

    One slide, titled “Violence of Action,” in addition to imploring officers to be “ruthless killer[s],” instructs troopers to have “a mindset void of emotion” and to “meet violence with greater violence.”
    A line from Adolf Hitler’s fascist and anti-Semitic manifesto, Mein Kampf, is featured in the slide: “the very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.”

    The presentation also links to a Hitler page on Goodreads, a database of quotes and books.

    Two other slides quoting Hitler bring his total to three, making him the most quoted person in the presentation.

    The usual weasel words came from the press flack.

    In a statement emailed to RedEye reporters, KSP spokesperson Lieutenant Joshua Lawson wrote, “The quotes are used for their content and relevance to the topic addressed in the presentation. The presentation touches on several aspects of service, selflessness, and moral guidance. All of these topics go to the fundamentals of law enforcement such as treating everyone equally, service to the public, and being guided by the law.”
    In a separate email, Lawson also stated that the presentation seems to be seven years old and appears to have been made by an instructor at the academy. It is not clear how long the presentation was used, or if it is still used. (Editor’s note: According to a statement received after publication from Morgan Hall, the Communications Director for the Kentucky Justice and Public Safety Cabinet, the presentation was not used after 2013.)

    The governor is understandably incandescent with rage that anything along these lines was ever included.

    Frankly, I think that this training attitude is pervasive across police departments. I want to know who developed it, why it was developed along these lines, who insisted that it be included in curricula and where it is still employed. I’d want every current officer trained with this or similar material identified and either decertified and retrained or terminated. That commission can also identify where the “bellow” voice is being advocated, why all the flexing, why the cursing and violence toward people, pets and household objects on dynamic entries, why the insistence on midnight raids.

    I also want the national media to look at its abject failure to catch this for the past 30 years.

  27. 27.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @germy: I was 5 years old the first time I got stung. My brother was 3 when he first got hit. Those incidents engendered a life long hatred of the MFers, to the point where we would go out hunting for nests to destroy. I outgrew that behavior and now go by a more “live and let live” path, but if I come across a nest in my daily chores, I am more likely to eradicate it just as a matter of self preservation.

    I’ve become more and more sensitive over the years. Not long ago I got stung on my hand. Within a half hour I had my hand in a bucket of ice to stop the swelling. My worst incident was climbing out a dormer window onto a 9/12 pitched roof. There was an unseen nest under the dormer eave and as I put my arm up to grab the eave I got hit 7 times on my side. Between trying to get away and trying not to fall off the roof, it’s a miracle it wasn’t worse.

    ETA: the worst ones for my money are the big red paper wasps with black wings, tho I hear bald faced hornets are by far the worst. So far I have been lucky and not had an incident with them, tho I have found 2 nests on the property in the past 5 years or so.

  28. 28.

    debbie

    @raven:

    It was a good series (four programs total, as I recall). Watching the footage of people making their escapes, I can’t imagine wanting to stay and rebuild.

  30. 30.

    germy

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I’m the same way about hornets.  I’ll say this, though.  Their nests are fascinating.

    After I was attacked I returned with bug spray and soaked them.  Then I could examine their home, and I had to admire their building skills.

  33. 33.

    John S.

    @What Have The Romans Ever Done for Us?: And a lot of that sentiment is directly fueled by the police unions and FOP organizations.

    There’s a black woman running for city council here, and the FOP sent me a postcard that said I shouldn’t vote for her because she wanted to “defund police” and was fueled by “outside money”, so I should support someone who “represents us”.

    I’m sure it had nothing to do with her being a liberal black woman.

  37. 37.

    NotMax

    Item the first.

    ✌ V minus 3 ✌
    All systems go!

    Item the second.

    The traditional Happy Halloween.

    Item the third.

    On edge? Distraught? In a funk, fretting over current events?

    An hour and a half of perk you up, well suited for this tense weekend: Most Valuable Players, available on Prime. (Trailer link, however by necessity it gives away a lot so might instead consider going in cold rather than clicking on it.)

    The kids are more than all right. 98.6% guarantee even those who don’t care for musical theater will receive a vicarious emotional boost.

  38. 38.

    John S.

    @debbie: Here it devolved into a lot of pushing and shoving, with some minor destruction of property. Nothing too serious, but still.

    These people are just plain angry, and fueled by fear and hate. Their giant sign in front of the polling place says “Save America. Vote Trump.”

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @debbie: I live to serve. (most humbly bows)

    @germy: Bald faced hornet nests are especially fascinating, and strikingly beautiful. A couple years ago I got excited when I discovered a nest being built on a bedroom window. I thought I was gonna get to watch my own personal Nat Geo special every day. Sadly, they abandoned it after just a few weeks, probably because of some damned peeping Tom who kept pulling back the curtain.

  44. 44.

    JPL

    After being without power since whenever, today I clean out the fridge.   I assume garlic, onion, and butternut squash is safe to keep.   Everything else goes.   Tomorrow Publix will be happy.

  46. 46.

    debbie

    @John S.:

    Hopefully, they won’t be that bold here. When I voted two weeks ago, in the middle of a bunch of GOP signs, there was a sign saying “George Floyd 2020.” Not sure how long it lasted there, but it was good to see.

  52. 52.

    germy

    @NotMax:

    There was a good movie where he discovers the cure for cancer in a rainforest, but then loses it.  I don’t remember the title.

    He was a great Bond, in my opinion.

  53. 53.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    @germy:

    “Hey, you know what will be cool and edgy in the PowerPoint deck that will get laughs and attention? Some Mein Kampf quotes.

    Lemme review my copy for some of the better ones.”

  54. 54.

    Steeplejack

    @Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:

    It has seemed for quite a while that there are big problems with the way the police are trained, but the whole system is remarkably opaque. We get occasional glimpses through revelations like the one you describe, and usually they’re horrifying.

    I can’t remember his name, but isn’t there some guy who is famous/​notorious for his “use of deadly force” police seminars, the theme of which seems to be “shoot ’em all and let God sort them out”?

  55. 55.

    raven

    @debbie: It’s not a link. They were escaping in two cars and when it looked like they were trapped they got into one so they could die together. They didn’t.

  58. 58.

    Jeffro

    Fox headline this morning: “Fox News Poll: Biden’s Lead Narrows”

    …”to Eight Points”. LOL.

    Subhead: “Pollsters say that despite Biden’s lead, the race is not a foregone conclusion”.

    Oh, ok.

  64. 64.

    raven

    @OzarkHillbilly: This guy was in the 101st ABN so he’d seen some shit. We talked on the phone a week later and his full description was one of the most harrowing things I’ve ever heard.

  68. 68.

    NotMax

    @germy

    He was a great Bond, in my opinion.

    He was the Bond. Fortunate for all concerned that the producers’ first choice, Cary Grant, turned it down flat.

    Lawdy, Dr. No premiered 58 years ago.

  70. 70.

    Spanky

    @NotMax: On the “Freddys” website I see that the Bangor (PA) Area HS was going to do “Carrie the Musical” this year. A rather bold choice, given that play’s history.

    They don’t produce school plays like they did in my day, though the plays are the same in a lot of cases.

  71. 71.

    debbie

    @raven:

    Remembering the clips I’ve seen, I can’t imagine what that must have been like for them. Those cars were totally surrounded by flames.

    I’ve read the mayor still refuses to widen the roads.

  72. 72.

    PST

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Sunny and 66 here on election day.

    It looks like the whole country may enjoy nice weather on election day. Good for turnout, and especially good for people who may have to wait in lines outside. I hope I’m not jinxing anything by saying so, but it should be a great day in most of the swing states.

  73. 73.

    JPL

    @germy: After I read that, I realized that there is no way to put the thugs back into the hole they climbed out of.    It’s going to be rocky for a long time to come, starting next week after trump loses big time.

  74. 74.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @raven: I read of one recently where a guy went out to borrow a trailer so they could save more stuff. When he returned they wouldn’t let him back thru the checkpoint because it was too dangerous. He crashed it and went back anyway. Driving down the road he spotted a naked woman with burns all over her body walking along the road. He stopped to help her and after she got in his truck he said he had to go get his wife still.

    She said, “I am your wife.”

    I just can’t imagine.

  76. 76.

    Brachiator

    @rikyrah: 

    RIP Sean Connery :(

    I just saw a BBC news story about this. Very sad.

    Also, my favorite Bond, and “From Russia, With Love” is still probably my favorite Bond movie.

    But I also remember Connery from the old Disney movie, “Darby O’Gill and the Little People.”

  77. 77.

    Splitting Image

    Sad to hear about Sean Connery, but 90 is a good vintage.

    My favourite Bond scene is the “last cigarette” sequence from the end of From Russia With Love.

  79. 79.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    Pritzker has shut down indoor dining in my part of Illinois again. Good.

    We get a weekly newsletter from bldg management which always includes COVID news. Yesterday, we heard there’s another resident who tested positive (the third overall), and 9 other residents who are quarantined because they were in close contact with that person. Five staff members tested positive last week, all of them asymptomatic, and 6 other staff members are quarantined at home because of being in close contact.

    We moved here to be closer to our son. We haven’t seen him in 8 months.

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I can’t believe they went to Matinicus. I’ve boated out there and it is so beautiful.  This is also where some of the most cutthroat, vicious lobster wars go down.  Like cut your traps, burn your wharf, stab and shoot you shit goes down.

  86. 86.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @MomSense: As I recall they found him alive with the dead grandparent.

    ETA: according to this, I remember wrong.

    ETA 2: I probably didn’t want to remember it correctly. It’s all just too horrifying.

  87. 87.

    NotMax

    @spanky

    Quick check to confirm what the high school theater department put on stage during my senior year, lo these many decades past.

    “The Caucasian Chalk Circle”
    A holiday production for touring to elementary schools of “Winnie the Pooh”
    An evening of scenes from opera, including the one-act “Gianni Schicchi”
    .
    There must have been a full-blown musical also but that would have happened after the deadline to wrap up the yearbook so recollection hazy.

  88. 88.

    MazeDancer

    My assumption was that the Texas Tribune knows more about Texas than any of us. But could be wrong, of course.

    But TX counts mail-ins ahead of Election Day. And big amount of votes already voted, so we are likely to know about Texas before dawn on the 4th.

    In further attempt to ease my anxiety, after hearing Eric Holder tell Rachel Maddow that he, personally, had been on the phone to Governors about Trump stealing plans, I wondered, how many Govs is that?

    How many states have Dem Govs or are likely to not be close enough to steal?

    Possibly, 283 Electoral Votes worth.

    Here is a 270 to Win map.

    Turns out NC may be more important than PA. Because NC reports on Election Night.

    And if WI state leg helps with the theft, 283 doesn’t include AZ.

  90. 90.

    TS (the original)

    We had a state election in Australia today. Campaigning lasted 4 weeks. 75% of voters voted before the election – in person and by mail. Mail votes have to be completed by election day (signed to verify) and received within 10 days of the election. Voting is compulsory and the voting method is preferential (called ranked choice in the US)

    The LW (centalist) labor party that is in power won relatively easily against the LNP (Liberal National Party which is RW centralist). Most of the election campaign related to covid (the state did extremely well in this regard with the only contentious issue – locking the border to other Australians)  and economic recovery. Seems the majority want the current government to continue what they are doing.

    The RWNJ small parties (2) lost most of their support (which means they also lose out on government election funding) and the Green Party (that tends to support labour in the parliament) won a couple of seats.

    Cities moved towards labor, some of the country areas moved in the other direction. It was all very sedate with the RW media suitably upset that their team did not win. Everyone congratulated everyone & life moves on tomorrow.

  91. 91.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @MazeDancer: My assumption was that the Texas Tribune knows more about Texas than any of us.

    I’m sure they do, I still wouldn’t accept any predictions about an election unlike anything I have seen in my lifetime. Time will tell.

  93. 93.

    catclub

    I am somewhat pleased to have not heard of cases where people are silently dropped from the election rolls, so they are turned away when they try to vote.  I think that was part of the MO in 2016 voter suppression.

     

    Maybe they are not getting reported? maybe that only works on election day.

  94. 94.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @John S.:

    These people are just plain angry, and fueled by fear and hate. Their giant sign in front of the polling place says “Save America. Vote Trump.”

    Right at the polling place? That’s against the law in most states…

  97. 97.

    Feathers

    @debbie:  The problem with widening the road is that people immediately have the mental picture of a wider road and the traffic burden very quickly becomes greater than it was originally. My understanding is that the high cost of widening the road means that the money would be better spent on fire proofing the town. Also, you have to be able to widen everything. If the mountains mean there will be one point where it has to be two lanes, better to not widen at all.

    My dad was a highway planner, so I grew up on a lot of discussions on best ways to avoid congestion while we were stuck in traffic ourselves.

  98. 98.

    Chief Oshkosh

    @germy:

    Who will be the next candidate they get behind, I wonder?

    Didn’t one of the semi-reformed Republican assholes call them “reprogrammable meat bags”? They will vote for whoever Fox and their pastor tells them to vote for.

  99. 99.

    WaterGirl

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: It’s crazy, though.  Gatherings are now limited to 25 people instead of 50.  Who the hell is going to gatherings of 25, let alone 50?

    No indoor dining.  Who the hell thinks eating in a restaurant or going to a bar is even remotely safe? (besides my sister!!?!)

    This makes me want to bang my head against the wall. So much stupidity!

  102. 102.

    NotMax

    Still recovering from watching a movie yesterday which featured Terry-Thomas, Sharon Tate and Orson Welles all dubbed in Italian.

    :)

  107. 107.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @NotMax: We did Li’l Abner, Fiddler on the Roof, and Carousel over three years. I left high school after that (but not because of the musicals), so don’t know what came in the fourth year.

  109. 109.

    LurkerNoLonger

    @John S.: Save America. Vote Trump? Remind me, who is the president again? These people aren’t ruled by fear, they’re ruled by idiocy.

  114. 114.

    japa21

    On a positive note, 538 has Biden at 90% likelihood of winning. Of course, in a sane world it would be 100%.  I think he had Clinton at 75% in 2016.

  115. 115.

    Immanentize

    @NotMax: The USPS issues are so obvious that swift action can hardly be opposed.  And one reform I would love to see is the once- unicorn thought now pushed by Sen. Warren and many others of Post Office Banking.

    My God how that would change both rural and urban access to money for poor people.

    Which is why it is so heartily opposed….  Wi/would Biden still be Delaware’s Banker in Chief?

  116. 116.

    mrmoshpotato

    @WaterGirl:

    This makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

    I wouldn’t risk a trip to the emergency room these days.  (Or in the before times either.)

  117. 117.

    Eolirin

    @LurkerNoLonger: Save White Christianist America is what they mean. They’re not wrong that Trump advances that cause and Biden is a threat to it.

    They’re willing to burn the country down in pursuit of white supremacy and Christian theocracy.

    We need to stop acting like they don’t know what they want and are acting irrationally, or that they’re too stupid to understand what’s going on. They’re voting rationally in support of their priorities. Those are just different than ours.

  121. 121.

    Kay

    Paul Kane
    @pkcapitol
    · 56m
    “Well, the president’s losing Arizona. And, you know, we think that he and Martha are very intrinsically tied together,” NRSC’s @KevinMcLaughlin tells @seungminkim & me.

    Ha! Now Trump will respond, because he must :)

  125. 125.

    germy

    @Immanentize:  And one reform I would love to see is the once- unicorn thought now pushed by Sen. Warren and many others of Post Office Banking.

     
    WASHINGTON — Progressives are pushing hard to see Elizabeth Warren lead the Treasury Department in an opening salvo of an ideological struggle for control of key government posts if Joe Biden wins the presidency.
    Donors, activists and leaders on the left want Warren, the Democratic senator from Massachusetts, as Treasury secretary, more than a half-dozen of them said. And people Warren has spoken to are under the impression that she wants the job if she is offered it.

  127. 127.

    Immanentize

    I am so thankful for my friends, even though we only text and haven’t seen each other since March.  We are texting clown themed voting haiku:

    Clowns will come and go
    Stare down orange haired grimace
    Kick the bastard out

    Snow hanging on trees
    Cold and silent Halloween
    The clowns still scare me

    Fuck this fucking shit
    Everything is so fucked up
    My head is hurting

    Clearly the last one by my friend, I., won the chicken dinner.

  128. 128.

    germy

    @Kay:  we think that he and Martha are very intrinsically tied together

    By a dog’s leash, if how he treated her is any indication.

  129. 129.

    NotMax

    @germy

    No, no, no. A fresh Dem majority in the Senate will be slim enough without chipping away at it by moving senators to cabinet positions.

  130. 130.

    germy

    @NotMax:  She has signaled that she wants it, so I don’t know what their thinking is.  Maybe she wants to see if we take the senate by large numbers?  I don’t know.

  131. 131.

    Immanentize

    @germy: I really don’t see that happening, but let the prog rock fans get their Warren on!  There are actually more finance -attuned folks (yes, even women and PoC) who might be needed in that role during the big push to increase taxes.  Everything is not an exercise in raw power, contrary the Republican thinking.

  132. 132.

    VOR

    @Eolirin: I have a colleague at work who drank all the Trump Kool-Aid. He is convinced COVID is a hoax. There are 100s of studies proving Hydroxychloroquine is a cure. (no I can’t reconcile those two beliefs either) COVID will be gone November 4th. The 220k dead are just mislabeled, all a conspiracy by greedy, unethical liberal doctors. There was no flu season last year, they just labeled the flu dead as COVID. (Actually, CDC has an estimate on their website for 2019-20 flu season deaths)  Only old people die from COVID. Doesn’t believe in lingering issues from COVID.

    The other day he took pity on me because I don’t watch Fox and hence are so un-informed about Hunter Biden’s corruption. He is frustrated the non-Fox media isn’t talking about this 24/7. Why don’t liberals care about this? I replied “Because Hunter Biden isn’t on the ballot”. I didn’t say “and we think it’s all bullshit”.

  133. 133.

    Kay

    @germy:

    He started demeaning her earlier in the week, in interviews. Used the word “separate” over and over and over. I think that’s what they’re responding to.

  136. 136.

    germy

    @Immanentize:

    You’re right, I’m just curious how Warren would respond if asked about losing her vote in the senate.  I’d like to hear how she’d answer that question.

  137. 137.

    Kristine

    @MagdaInBlack: In Lake County IL, they’re confirming receipt of ballots in one group and reviewing them in another. Right now, they’re confirming ballots received by their office via drop box and mail on or before 27 Oct, and judges are reviewing those received on or before 20 Oct.

    I emailed the BoE earlier this week to see if they’d received my ballot–it had been a week since I mailed it–and they responded within hours stating essentially that they were slammed with mail-ins.

    Anyway, my ballot has been officially received and in currently in the To Be Reviewed group.

  139. 139.

    Immanentize

    @germy: There has been some complicated machinations about that issue here in Mass.  If she resigned immediately after the election, there could be a special before the end of her term.  OR, she could wait until confirmed to resign, then the Governor can appoint someone, but must call a special in, I think?, 120 days.  It would all depend, of course, on how many seats the Dems have after the election(s including runoffs in GA).

  142. 142.

    Kay

    @Baud:

    I also think people forget we don’t win Pennsylvania by a ton. Obama’s polling average there was about +4 in 2012 and he won it by 5.5.

  144. 144.

    Ken

    @Immanentize: I don’t see why Warren has to resign. Oh, sure, people will mutter something about “the Constitution”. But since we’ve now established that “advice and consent of the Senate” doesn’t apply if you stick the word “acting” in front of a title, I’m sure there’s an equally-simple workaround for a sitting Senator to serve.  “Honorary Treasury Secretary with Full Administrative Authority”, maybe.

  145. 145.

    FelonyGovt

    Good morning! So nervous and trying really hard not to read “Latino voters are supporting Trump” nonsense. I will be happy when this is over.

  146. 146.

    Kay

    And, CLINTON’S polling lead in PA (average) was only 2 and Trump won it by .7, so if Biden is +5 to 7, looking at both 2012 and 2016 he’s in good shape.

  148. 148.

    Yutsano

    @Kay: We could win Pennsylvania by one vote. That doesn’t matter to me. Getting the horrifically unqualified and destructive orange menace out of the White House does. Inasmuch as I would like a solid score in his repudiation, the numbers matter less than the final results.

  149. 149.

    Nora

    And don’t forget Connery’s wonderful performance as Agamemnon in Time Bandits.  He was one of my mother’s favorite actors, especially as he got older.

  150. 150.

    Immanentize

    @Ken: Actually, there may be a clause in the Constitution prohibiting that, I seem to recall.  I’ll look it up…

    I can’t believe how much essoterica these times are requiring me to relearn.

  152. 152.

    mrmoshpotato

    @VOR: Wow.  Fifty pounds of crackpottery in a five-pound paragraph.  Does he think we libtards are hiding the aliens too?

  154. 154.

    Immanentize

    @Ken: Creaky brain still has pathways:

    ARTICLE 1, SECTION 6
    Text of Article 1, Section 6, cl 2:

    No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

  156. 156.

    Sab

    @Nora: My dad, age 96, has never been culturally aware. He never watched television. Hardly ever saw movies. Never read fiction. Hated most music. Only liked fine art, history, and of course science.

    My mother and I took him to see The Untouchables movie. He liked it a lot. He came out of it wondering who was that really good actor who played the Irish cop

    ETA Mom and I were gobsmacked.

  157. 157.

    MoCA Ace

    @JPL: there is no way to put the thugs back into the hole they climbed out of.    It’s going to be rocky for a long time to come, starting next week after trump loses big time.

    I know a good number of nutter-adjacent folks.  After the initial weeping and wailing I suspect most will crawl back into their holes and grumble about their fate.  They know that Dump has been a failure.  A lot of them will give up, secure in the fact that all politicians are indeed all the same.  A few who still retain a few functioning brain cells may eventually jump on the bandwagon and turn against  conveniently forget the mango menace.

    It’s the true believers that scare me.  They will double down, expand their bunkers and fortify their ammunition stockpiles.  If they ever manage to stop circle jerking each others AK’s long enough, and find a competent Hitler to follow, we will be in for a very bad decade.

  158. 158.

    Ken

    @Immanentize: See, the “Honorary Acting Secretary of Treasury” gets completely around that.  Warren wouldn’t hold the office because it’s only an honorary appointment.

  159. 159.

    Amir Khalid

    @germy:

    As I recall, the Biden campaign said weeks ago* not to take seriously any touting of prospective appointees for this or that cabinet post. I think there was a hint that such touting might even hurt a prospect’s chances of getting that post.

    *I think it was weeks ago, but lately it’s been hard to judge the passage of time.

  160. 160.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Ken:

    I’m sure there’s an equally-simple workaround for a sitting Senator to serve.  “Honorary Treasury Secretary with Full Administrative Authority”, maybe 

    “Fuck you Republicans.  How you like this ‘acting’ shit now? Treasury Secretary with Full Administrative Authority”

  162. 162.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Yutsano: Winning Pennsylvania by one vote will invite lawsuits that will not end for a long time. Winning PA by 25,000 votes however…

  164. 164.

    Gin & Tonic

    Driving around rural Sullivan County (NY) I’ve seen a bunch of Trump signs with the not-at-all racist slogan “An American / FOR Americans”

  166. 166.

    germy

    They’re all such liars.

    Texas: There’s a resume padding Republican running to hold onto his Senate seat. John Cornyn’s a fraud who did not graduate from an Oxford University “Judicial Studies Program” as he has claimed. The program never existed. Cornyn attended a 2 week seminar. https://t.co/o62JiIAye2

    — Stephanie Kennedy (@WordswithSteph) October 31, 2020

  167. 167.

    RaflW

    via the indefatigable and indispensable @Taniel

    TX early voting ended at 108% of total number cast in 2016, and 116% of the 2018 total. And turnout rose a bit more in bluer counties.

    > It’s at 109% of 2016 turnout in “Clinton counties,” & 107% in “Trump counties.”

    > It’s at 110% in “Beto counties” & 105% in “Cruz counties.”

    —

    The long-anticipated Texas realignment is well under way. It may not tip this year, but the Cruz n Corynyn style is not gonna have the traction it has for the past decade or two.

  168. 168.

    Immanentize

    @OzarkHillbilly: I thought we wanted to get back to that place?

    I know you are snarking, but I have been surprised? dismayed? by all the people on the “left” who are just so willing to themselves throw out the rule of law. I get the impulse, emotionally. But that emotion is fleeting for me.

  171. 171.

    catclub

    @Immanentize: No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been increased during such time;

     

    It seems to me that this could be applied only to newly created offices.

  172. 172.

    different-church-lady

    @Kay: At what point in the race was Clinton’s lead 2? As I recall, PA was looking pretty safe for her until the very end.

  173. 173.

    Humanities Prof

    @catclub: Lot harder to do that when so many people voted in the midterms.  If you’ve actively voted in the most recent election, it’s really hard to manufacture a justification for purging that passes the sniff test.

    This is also why high turnout this year, no matter the results, will bear fruit going forward.

  174. 174.

    debbie

    @raven:

    Also my favorite. I was just trying to describe it to a guy while standing in line at the grocery store. I’ll have to get it at the library and watch it again.

  177. 177.

    Aleta

     

    @debbie: That was a wild movie.

    A Bridge Too Far is on Netflix.  The cast is something:  Besides Connery, there’s Dirk Bogarde, James Caan, Michael Caine, Edward Fox, Elliott Gould, Gene Hackman, Anthony Hopkins, Hardy Krüger, Laurence Olivier, Ryan O’Neal, Robert Redford, Maximilian Schell,, Liv Ullmann.

  179. 179.

    debbie

    @NotMax:

    I think the real October surprise is on DeJoy and Co., and it’s that lots of people who requested ballots are now instead standing in line to vote early in person.

  182. 182.

    narya

    @JPL: You can keep the butter, too, most likely, and possibly cheese and/or eggs. When my eggs are really old, I crack them into a separate dish, one at a time, to make sure they’re not off, before adding them to anything. Sauerkraut, too.

  183. 183.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Immanentize: They want to make Republicans know how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot, a sentiment I am sympathetic to. I just want us to go all scorched earth within the bounds of the Constitution.

  186. 186.

    debbie

    @germy:

    That post office/bank/insurance idea comes up about every 20 years or so. I edited an international report on the possibilities back in the late 90s. Great idea, but little chance of ever happening. The banks will fight to the death over this.

  187. 187.

    Kay

    @different-church-lady:

    Here’s 2012 Wisconsin. Average 4.2, won 6.9

    Obama won so no one talks about it but they consistently underestimated his support in state polling and at the time the election was held it looked weak in the Great Lakes states yet the Obama campaign were really confident they would win, including Ohio. They said it was because the race was stable. They were never way ahead but they were always ahead.

  191. 191.

    Geminid

    @Ken: Elizabeth Warren is a perceptive person, and she no doubt has good reasons to want the Treasury job. But I still think she can do more writing consequential legislation and effectively advocating for it. The example I used the other day was John Sherman. He authored the Anti-trust Act enacted in 1890, and it is still law. But does anyone remember who was Treasury Secretary in 1890?

  193. 193.

    debbie

    Mike Murphy (GOP “strategist”) was on NPR’s ‘”Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me” just now and predicts that Biden will not only win Florida, but win it early. He also thinks Biden will beat Trump (paraphrasing to spare the animal lovers here) very soundly.

  194. 194.

    Kay

    Trump drags down GOP senators, giving Democrats more paths to the majority

    I understand why the GOP Senators and their campaign arm are saying this, but the GOP Senators also sucked. These are the people who jammed thru a SCOTUS justice rather than getting covid relief done, at a time when the covid explosion is taking off. Most people don’t give a shit about judges. That may be bad that they don’t care about judges, but they don’t.
    They’re bad senators. They don’t get anything accomplished for people.

  196. 196.

    JPL

    @MoCA Ace: The true believers will probably try to attend the Biden/Obama rally today in Michigan.   I worry about Obama coming to GA Monday, but info about the location hasn’t been released yet.

  197. 197.

    Kay

    @debbie:

    Do you trust the Never Trumpers, though? Not “trust” as in good people, but trust as in understanding Democrats? I get that they’re useful in that they understand Republicans but Biden is a Democrat.

    Democratic voters are under-analyzed, IMO and it goes back to the belief that Republicans are somehow “America” and Democrats are an interest group.

    You see it with the analysis of the post election too. While it is true that the Trumpsters will be very upset a larger group of people will be very happy. They count for something.

  199. 199.

    Yarrow

    I had the pleasure of meeting a candidate going door to door doing a lit drop today. I was out for a run and I saw her with her stack of door hangers and studying her phone. I stopped and asked if she was campaigning and she said yes and introduced herself. I got to tell her I had already voted for her (early voting) and had voted Dems all the way down the ticket! She gave me a big “Yes!” and fist pump. I hope I made her morning. Being able to do that certainly made mine!

  200. 200.

    evodevo

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yep…those red ones are Carolina wasps, and much more aggressive and hard to kill than my usual brown and yellow striped paper wasps (who I have a live and let live agreement with)…I go after them whenever I encounter them…even more sneaky are yellow jackets…they are smaller, thinner, and ground-nesting, so you often don’t know they are there until you run over a nest entrance with the lawn mower or weed eater.  THEY can really lay into you before you even know they are there.  Mr. Evodevo is allergic, so we watch out for them especially.  An exterminator friend  of ours gave us a heads up that Fantastic Spray Cleaner will drop them out of the air, or at least keep them at bay.  Works great, and less toxic than wasp spray…

  203. 203.

    Kay

    Hyma Moore
    @Hymamoore
    ·50m
    JUST IN:
    @BarackObama
    to travel to GEORGIA on Monday!! Don’t boo, Vote!

    Look at that – amazing.

  206. 206.

    different-church-lady

    @Kay:

    They said it was because the race was stable.

    That, hopefully is the key to it all this year. In 2016 Nate Silver got it less wrong than everyone else (moved Trump’s probabilities up in the last week or so) because he said he was seeing a great deal of “uncertainty” in the race. (And everyone responded by saying Nate was off his rocker and just pay attention to Sam Wang.)

    I don’t know what that term “uncertainty” means technically to a statistician. But I’m not getting any sense something like that is going on this year. (And I’m too scared to look at what Nate is saying this time out.)

  207. 207.

    Kay

    A lot of you know this but you’re going to be hearing a lot about the Trump poll observers, because they’re rude and horrible so will therefore be in the news, but be aware that Dems have a very robust poll observer program and ours will be out there too. You won’t hear about them (hopefully) because they’ll just do the job without, you know, breaking laws and screaming and yelling and getting ejected.

    This is Ohio which isn’t even really a swing state and it’s been going on for weeks:

    I am writing regarding poll observer credentialing. ODP filed 215-A and 216-A placeholders in your counties’ BOEs using the county authority last week – thank you for your help in securing and sending signatures to make that possible.
    We want to be sure that we are honoring your preferences for the observer who will be stationed at the BOE and able to be a rover around all county polling locations.

    So don’t feel outnumbered.

  208. 208.

    Yarrow

    @different-church-lady:  All the stats people I follow are saying the race is stable and Biden is ahead and nothing they are seeing is showing that changing.

    And here’s something good to see!

    The final day of TX early voting was a relatively strong one in the most heavily Hispanic counties. Total votes cast in the six most populous border counties (El Paso, Hidalgo, Cameron, Webb, Starr, Maverick) jumped 9.3%, vs. 6.2% everywhere else in TX.
    — Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) October 31, 2020

  211. 211.

    West of the Rockies

    Maybe a dead thread, but I hope the huge turnout in Texas is indicative of Democrat enthusiasm.  It just seems unlikely that Trump created an extra million fans in one state with his rampant assholery.

  212. 212.

    evodevo

    @Geminid: Yes…I don’t want her vacating her Senate seat…who knows what would happen then?  We need every Senator.  On the other hand, why could she not be available in an informal advisory capacity  on economic issues for whatever cabinet officer required it?  Don’t even have to pay her…just consult…then you would have the benefit of her knowledge without having to endanger a seat…

  213. 213.

    Yarrow

    Texas is showing up to vote! All this just in early voting. Still election day to go.

    Morning update: Texas reporting 9,669,246 votes cast at the close of early voting. That’s 57% of registered voters and 700,020 more votes than were cast in Texas in *all of 2016.*
    — Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) October 31, 2020

  214. 214.

    PsiFighter37

    @Yarrow: Feeling good. If Texas is over 11 million votes, I have to think we have won the state. If the trend from 2016 GE to 2018 Senate race continues at even the same pace, Biden will win. This looks like Biden will get Beto’s turnout model but turbocharged for a presidential race.

    Somewhere suggested that maybe Beto as head of the next DNC would be a better place for him, so that he could implement his organizing practices and skills nationally. I actually think that would be a great idea.

  215. 215.

    Sab

    @Kay: I think Never Trumpers are quite clueless about Democrats. I have been a Democrat most of my life, half of it in the MidWest. The Democrats they talk about are nothing like the ones I know. Sherrod Brown understands us. Stu Stevens and Steve Schmidt not so much.

  217. 217.

    UncleEbeneezer

    I kind of wish Biden would publically say “Voter intimidation of any sort is illegal and if I am elected, I will instruct the DOJ to investigate and prosecute any voter intimidation efforts In this election, to the full extent of the law, with maximum sentencing guidelines.  You’ve been warned and your actions WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES.”

     

    I know he won’t but I wish he would.

  218. 218.

    patroclus

    @Geminid: William Windom was Treasury Secretary under Harrison in 1890.  Sherman isn’t the best example here.  He served as Treasury Secretary under Hayes before he authored the Sherman Act, so his leaving the Senate to go to Treasury and then returning there doesn’t really apply to the Warren issue.  Moreover, while the Sherman Act is remembered, it is mostly only as the first AntiTrust Act that was (and is) so weak that it had to be substantially strengthened by the 1914 Clayton Act under the Democrats.

    The better example is Lloyd Bentsen, who usually won easily in Texas.  Clinton convinced him to go to Treasury in 1993 and the Democrats have never won a Senate race there since.  Maybe this year though…

  220. 220.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @evodevo: that Fantastic Spray Cleaner will drop them out of the air,

    So will paint thinner, turpentine, lacquer thinner, etc etc. tho i’m doubtful how good they are for the environment.

  221. 221.

    dirge

    @evodevo: On the other hand, why could she not be available in an informal advisory capacity  on economic issues for whatever cabinet officer required it?

    Warren is on the Banking Committee, so this is already her job, formally and more than advisory.  Just choose a someone for Treasury who has a high propensity to listen to Warren.  Perhaps her former student Katie Porter (yes, that endangers a House seat, but it’s much lower impact than Senate).

  222. 222.

    Kay

    @Sab:

    I don’t know- they didn’t even know their own voters, really. That’s why they were all so shocked and horrified their voters glommed onto Trump. If you’re running campaigns it seems like you should know the GOP base better than they did, given that “knowing the GOP base” was their full time job for 30 years. Some profound disconnect going on there.

  223. 223.

    Geminid

    @patroclus: Well, I knew that the Clayton Act built upon the Sherman Act, but I thought the Sherman Anti-trust Act still formed the basic foundation. But I’m no expert on antitrust law.  But my point was that a legislator’s role can be very consequential, especially in the next Congress. The energy transition plan proposed by Warren in the primary race excelled the other proposals in scope and practicality. That just one area where she can have an impact. And she is an outstanding advocate.      I can even imagine a Warren-Manchin Clean Energy Act. I think Joe Manchin will surprise people in this area.

  226. 226.

    J R in WV

    @JPL:

    After being without power since whenever, today I clean out the fridge. I assume garlic, onion, and butternut squash is safe to keep. Everything else goes. Tomorrow Publix will be happy.

    Butter, cheese, jam, all probably OK so far. Some stuff lasts quite a while.

  228. 228.

    CarolPW

    @J R in WV: Condiments (mayo, mustard, horseradish), oils & vinegers, hard cheeses and any fresh fruit/veg that isn’t too limp to eat should all be OK too. Except for celery, dump any of that.

    I keep a lot of stuff in my refrigerator that really doesn’t need to be there just because I have more room in there than in my cupboards or on my counters.

  232. 232.

    Anoniminous

    @Yarrow:

    That’s excellent news.  Hispanics living in Texas have a history of not voting because Texas Whites and the various police forces have a history of voter intimidation and violence.

  233. 233.

    JPL

    My freezer is clean.   Items stored on the door of the freezer suffered the most.   I freeze leftover wine in ziploc bags and one storage area on the door, was red since the bag ripped.

  234. 234.

    Sab

    @Kay: Yes. Thirty years of catering to peoples’ worst racist impulses and they are now surprised that that is the essence of their party? I kind of feel bad for Stu Stevens. He’ s from Mississippi and that has been a backdrop to his life. But the others, no. That has not been acceptable for decades. But they have been doing it.

    My brother the oligarch wannabee is like that. He is not a white supremecist because he likes all sorts of Asians and North, South and Central American hispanics. But he does not like black people. He won’t say so but every time he opens his mouth it is obvious.

    I have wonderful black people taking care of my dad, and black  grandchildren who are also mostly wonderful.

    Covid will be here for a long time and we are old. But I cannot imagine speaking to my brother again anywhere but under compulsion in a court of law. Too bad because he is still my brother and I still love him, but every word out of his mouth for the last five years makes me want to hate him.

  235. 235.

    catclub

    @different-church-lady: . But I’m not getting any sense something like that is going on this year.

     

    Also, the fucking Jim Comey moment has passed, especially given all the people who have already voted. The Biden laptop was a total dud.

  237. 237.

    debbie

    @Kay:

    I trust them for their hatred of Trump. That is all that matters at this time. I don’t expect that to continue after the election, but I can’t deal with that until I get there.

  240. 240.

    Kristine

    @Kay:

    Democratic voters are under-analyzed, IMO and it goes back to the belief that Republicans are somehow “America” and Democrats are an interest group.

    I know this thread is dead, but I had to pull this out for emphasis because yup, this pretty much describes the MSM etc attitude.

  241. 241.

    Sab

    Next elections we need to fund the judges. Ohio ignores them. We have had exceptional judges beaten by loons over the last two decades. Even the Republican real judges were shocked. This has to stop.

  242. 242.

    J R in WV

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Red wasps. OMG they sting so hard~!

    Many years ago while I was still working to rehab the old Jenny Lind farmhouse shack built in the lat 1800s. I was putting plywood soffits over the roof boards sticking out over the high gable, at the far end of an aluminum ladder.

    I had put red plastic shutters alongside all the windows, including one upstairs right under the peak of the gable. The first swing of the hammer brought a swarm out from behind those shutters. I went down the ladder as if it was a fireman’s pole, was on the ground in a couple of seconds.

    The ladder fell away from me and the house, and the wasps were 15+ feet away around the suddenly ended soffit project. Late that night when it got cool I sprayed those bastards to death. That was when I decided a new house was a bigger priority than rehabbing the old house!

    Many years later on we were putting up the first truck load of hay for the livestock into the old barn. Before starting to unload the truck I was in the loft, scooping up old loose hay off the loft floor. I kept hearing this insect buzzing, and when I leaned over to pick up a big gob of old hay, there were approximately two million yellow jackets between my knees.

    I jumped out the loft door and landed on my belly on the new load of hay, snaked on my belly over the hay load, the cab of the truck, all the while shouting “God Damn!” at the top of my lungs. A few got up my pants legs. Finally I shouted “Bees!” in between the GDamns and my friend Bob quit looking at me like I had suddenly gone nuts and took off walking away fast.

    I shucked off my  jeans and ran away. Later on I sprayed and then removed the old hay and spread a tarp to keep the new hay off the floor. The Yellow Jacket stings are not as hard as wasps, but they make up for it with volume, lots of volume.

    We voted early last week, didn’t help me as much as I hoped it would, BUT I am officially optimistic about the election totals.

    And the current Postmaster General does need to go to jail, badly. Every move he has made was intent on obstructing the US Mail, which is a felony. Interfering with an election also seems like it would be illegal…

  243. 243.

    J R in WV

    @CarolPW:

    Condiments (mayo, mustard, horseradish)…

    I agree with everything but Mayo, which has eggs in it, and causes food poisoning every summer in potato salad, which is why al of my tater salad is made with oil and vinegar dressing, no Mayo.

    Discard all the mayo containing foodstuffs, even salad dressings that lean towards mayo.

  244. 244.

    Dan B

    @OzarkHillbilly:  When we lived in NE Arkansas at the edge of the Ozarks my 9 year old brother was stung by some crazy scary looking wasps.  He got dizzy.  There are a lot of scary critters in the Ozarks, and snakes.

  245. 245.

    Kathleen

    @Sab: Hamilton County Dems has started funding judicial races and had success in 2018. My sample ballot includes judges at local and state level.

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