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You are here: Home / Politics / Dems Fighting Back / Give ‘Em Hell, Harry! Ian Mackey!

Give ‘Em Hell, Harry! Ian Mackey!

by WaterGirl|  April 16, 202210:15 am| 87 Comments

This post is in: Dems Fighting Back, Open Threads, Politics

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If you haven’t seen this, you’ll want to watch it.  You may even want to watch it again, even if you have seen it!

if you watch one thing today make it this pic.twitter.com/kacbxoPSKB

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) April 15, 2022

Ian Mackey was on The Last Word with Larry O’Donnell last night.  This may look like the same thing as the tweet above, but that tweet shows the 2-minute floor speech and this is his interview from last night.

Oh, and I made a new category – Dems Fighting Back – because there’s more of that than we think, and I want to put it on display whenever I can.

Totally open thread.

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  1. 1.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 16, 2022 at 10:25 am

    Saw that last night on (I think it was) Lawrence O’Donnell. I love Ian’s fury and passion. “Thank God I made it out!” “You’re going to lose!”

    ETA: Should have read OP more carefully.

  2. 2.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 16, 2022 at 10:26 am

    Oh, and I made a new category – Dems Fighting Back

    Good. Thank you.

  3. 3.

    OzarkHillbilly

    April 16, 2022 at 10:28 am

    An elected Miserian I can be proud of. Who’da thunk it?

    Well, me, but damn dawg, they are few and far between.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    April 16, 2022 at 10:36 am

    When asked about that slogan, Truman famously responded ‘I tell them the truth, and they think it’s Hell’.

    Still accurate.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    April 16, 2022 at 10:36 am

    ?

    Oh, and I made a new category – Dems Fighting Back – because there’s more of that than we think, and I want to put it on display whenever I can.

    ?

  6. 6.

    Cephalus Max

    April 16, 2022 at 10:36 am

    Ian Mackey is my new hero. He is, apparently, a badass.

    Let’s have more Dems like him!

  7. 7.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 16, 2022 at 10:38 am

    Am I hallucinating, or was there a Betty Cracker butter lamb comment up a couple of minutes ago?

  8. 8.

    Denali

    April 16, 2022 at 10:39 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Betty Cracker’s butter lamb was on twitter; it is adorable.

  9. 9.

    sab

    April 16, 2022 at 10:42 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: Yes there was in the last thread. I hope she front pages it tomorrow. If we in my household did a butter lamb it would still be sitting in the fridge years later because nobody would have the heart to eat it.

  10. 10.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 16, 2022 at 10:43 am

    @Denali:

    I’m not on Twitter, though.

  11. 11.

    SiubhanDuinne

    April 16, 2022 at 10:43 am

    @sab:

    Ah, thanks. Got the wrong thread.

  12. 12.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 10:52 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: For years Betty has shared her butter lambs in a front page post.  Hopefully she will make a post for that later today or tomorrow.

    One year I searched out all the butter lambs and named them in a way that would allow us to pull all of those up from the media library with a simple search.

    We may need a butter lamb retrospective at some point.

  13. 13.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 10:53 am

    PSA: Ukraine quilt auction starts today at noon Eastern time.  See last night’s post if you might be interested.

    Here’s a close-up of one section.

    Auction for Ukraine: Next Up, Ukraine Quilt from Quiltingfool! Auction Times: Noon to 7 pm Eastern

    Here quilts are like art, but I suppose all the best ones are.

  14. 14.

    sab

    April 16, 2022 at 10:57 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: My junior year abroad in England they actually had chocolate baby Jesuses. White chocolate and dark chocolate. A friend bought one, and we had a month long debate about how to eat it…which end to start at. I am still disturbed thinking about it.

    I stopped buying louisiana king cakes for mardi gras because we didn’t know what to do with the little plastic jesuses. You can’t just throw them out. Mine are sitting in a toy station wagon. We ran out of seating in the tiny car so I stopped with the king cakes.

    The tiny station wagon has a beanie baby sea cow on the roof lying on top of a tiny surfboard. The whole car is sort of a “tribute” to twentieth century american culture. Of course the car is a woody.

  15. 15.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 10:59 am

    Also, since this is an open thread, I want to say how excited I am that we have hit the $15,000 mark in our $25k fundraiser!   Now that we have hit $15k, they can start reaching out to the underserved communities to let them know about the fellowships so people can be hired.

    I’m pretty confident that we can reach our $25,000 by the time they have identified a set of people from 5 different underserved communities for the fellowships.

    Thanks to everyone who donated and to all the BJ Angels so far – all 4 of them!  I won’t be putting any more fundraising posts until Monday, and then we have the zoom with this Michigan organization on Tuesday.  Please send me email if you want to attend the zoom!

  16. 16.

    sab

    April 16, 2022 at 11:03 am

    @WaterGirl: One of the quilting expert jackals said that the quilting was more important than the piecework. Seeing your closeup I can see that now. But the piecework is amazing also.

  17. 17.

    laura

    April 16, 2022 at 11:04 am

    I love fighting Dems because what we fight for is worth the fight and because it shows voters and potential voters that they matter and the policies that improve our lives are worth fighting for.

  18. 18.

    bbleh

    April 16, 2022 at 11:05 am

    Republicans are now openly the party of bigotry. I’d be willing to guess that something near a majority of Republicans would openly agree with the intent of the legislation and the sentiment behind it, and if they watched that video their feelings would be revulsion, fear, and hatred for the speaker and sympathy for the guy he’s talking to. And the vast majority of the remainder might feel a little more ambivalent about the issue but in the end would approve of the legislation anyway because something something special rights something lower my taxes, and also Jesus.

    He’s right, though. They’re going to lose. Many of them will die off, and the younger ones will slowly find themselves more and more isolated in a very distinct minority nationally, living in areas that are faltering or dying economically or deep “in the closet” (oh the irony) in more vibrant areas. And they’ll just become more bitter and hateful as it happens.

    Alas for them.

  19. 19.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 11:06 am

    @sab: If you click to make it bigger, you can see that the quillwork in the center star is different from the rest.  It’s the details that can make all the difference, in most anything.

    For me, the design is the most important part, but I imaging the quilting can take if from good to great, or great to amazing.  And also from good to so-so, if not well done.

  20. 20.

    zhena gogolia

    April 16, 2022 at 11:08 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I was just about to post that same thought.

    I was hoping he could run against Hawley some day and whup his ass.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 11:08 am

    @bbleh:

    Republicans are now openly the party of bigotry.

    it’s really true.  In fact, bigotry might be the biggest part of their platform.  And if there aren’t real things to fight with hate and fear, they make stuff up.  “Oh my god, CRT is coming for you!”

    Disgusting creatures.

  22. 22.

    Barbara

    April 16, 2022 at 11:16 am

    Make them own it and make them ashamed.

  23. 23.

    Quiltingfool

    April 16, 2022 at 11:19 am

    @sab: The quilting is important, but when I quilt, what I have to decide is what do I want to be prominent—the quilting or the design of the quilt top?  I am much better at making quilt tops than I am at quilting, so I generally want my quilting to accent the quilt, not be the most noticeable part.  There are ladies in my guild who don’t much care for making quilt tops, they spend time perfecting their quilting; I’m the opposite!  That being said, I work on improving my quilting skills – and it takes lots of practice!

  24. 24.

    Dusty Confetti

    April 16, 2022 at 11:22 am

    Technically it’s the actual quilting that makes a quilt a quilt. An unquilted and unlined quilt top is just considered piecework, unless the edges themselves are bound, then it’s a “summer top”.

    (Another quilting nerd here.)

  25. 25.

    Quiltingfool

    April 16, 2022 at 11:23 am

    I wrote an email to Representative Mackey.  He isn’t my rep, but he grew up in the county next to mine, and he mentioned in his interview the county where I taught.  I wanted him to know he has supporters outside his district.

  26. 26.

    cope

    April 16, 2022 at 11:26 am

    Since OT, Liverpool leads Man City 3-0 at the half.

    I’m having to follow texted updates because I will not pay for another streamer (ESPN+) that only gets sporadic use and I am just not the person who signs up for free trials and then bails. Probably to my detriment but so it goes.

  27. 27.

    zhena gogolia

    April 16, 2022 at 11:26 am

    @Quiltingfool: Wow, a lot of us Missourians on this blog.

  28. 28.

    Glidwrith

    April 16, 2022 at 11:27 am

    @WaterGirl: I have a question/suggestion that could be regarded as quite silly, but this is Balloon Juice so here goes:

    When an auction is held for fundraising purposes, why not have everyone donate their bid to the fundraiser instead of only the top bid? Top bid would still get the quilt, of course.

  29. 29.

    Faithful Lurker

    April 16, 2022 at 11:33 am

    @Quiltingfool: I’m in the same boat. I love designing the pieced top but don’t handle the quilting so well. And a quilt that big is a bear to quilt with only a home sewing machine, I usually send my big ones out to a friend with a long arm quilting machine. I’ve found that most quilters focus on either the piecing or the quilting and don’t even get into the discussion about the binding. I’m filled with admiration that you do both. Are the stars, or at least some of them, paper pieced?

  30. 30.

    Miss Bee

    April 16, 2022 at 11:33 am

    I have a question about the auction, too. ( I am new here)

    How do you know when it’s over?  Is there a time limit?

  31. 31.

    Faithful Lurker

    April 16, 2022 at 11:35 am

    @sab: The quilting isn’t more important but it’s important to take it into account. It needs to fit with the piecing and this one fits perfectly.

  32. 32.

    Steeplejack

    April 16, 2022 at 11:37 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    You don’t have to be “on” Twitter. You can just use your browser to go to her page. You can even search for “Betty Cracker.” And here is the butter lamb post.

  33. 33.

    kindness

    April 16, 2022 at 11:42 am

    The rightwingers really would prefer liberals and gays crawl under rocks and mutely stay in the shadows.  That way it is much easier for them to suggest the fantasy Xtian/white male lead world is real.  Without any dissent they try to turn a reality tv drama into a real world script.

    And damnitall, those liberals and gays just won’t shut up!  They are ruining the fatherland dream.  Yeay team….

  34. 34.

    TaMara (HFG)

    April 16, 2022 at 11:44 am

    @sab: This is the best comment ever…I’m going to giggle at random moments all day when I think of it.

  35. 35.

    eclare

    April 16, 2022 at 11:46 am

    @cope:   I paid for one month.  Now I just have to remember to cancel!

  36. 36.

    cope

    April 16, 2022 at 11:50 am

    @eclare: That’s where I would fail. I would decide there was just enough content that interested me to keep the service and then forget I had it.

  37. 37.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 11:52 am

    @Quiltingfool: Smart!

  38. 38.

    eclare

    April 16, 2022 at 11:53 am

    @cope:   Not looking good for USMNT in the World Cup with Steffan as GK.

  39. 39.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 11:55 am

    @Glidwrith:

    When an auction is held for fundraising purposes, why not have everyone donate their bid to the fundraiser instead of only the top bid? Top bid would still get the quilt, of course.

    Interesting thought!

    But this isn’t our first or last Ukraine auction, and if someone bid $375 for the quilt and didn’t get it, that’s $375 they don’t have for the next auction.

    But we will be doing something in the neighborhood of that for the next Ukraine quilt.

    QuiltingFool is also planning to make another Ukraine quilt – but different from this one.

    People can “buy” a square, which will enter them into the raffle to win the second Ukraine quilt.

    As you no doubt guessed, “purchases” of the squares will be entered directly into the Balloon Juice for Ukraine thermometer.

    Cost to “buy” a square will be determined after we see how many squares there are in the quilt once it’s designed.

    So that’s more of a raffle, but sort of in the neighborhood of what you were suggesting.

  40. 40.

    Benw

    April 16, 2022 at 11:57 am

    Fuck yea, Ian.

  41. 41.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 11:57 am

    @Miss Bee: I have set the auction to run until 7pm Eastern time.

    So it will be officially over at 7.

    Maybe that was too long, I am totally winging this, so if you guys think the next big one should be shorter, let me know.  And let me know how long you think it should be.

  42. 42.

    cope

    April 16, 2022 at 11:58 am

    @eclare: And not just him. This is going to be a “just honored to be here” World Cup for the US as I see it.

  43. 43.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 11:59 am

    I have only heard from two people who want me to do their bidding.

    (Boy, there is a joke in there that I will not touch.)

    Reminder:  If you can’t be around for the auction, you can send me your max bid by email and I will bid for you.

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 12:07 pm

    PSA: The auction has begun!

  45. 45.

    BlueGuitarist

    April 16, 2022 at 12:13 pm

    Love all y’all

  46. 46.

    Amir Khalid

    April 16, 2022 at 12:22 pm

    @cope:
    3-2 to the Reds in stoppage time. A proper nail-biter.

  47. 47.

    HazumuOsaragi

    April 16, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    Anybody  else  notice  the  second-from-top  shelf  of  books  in  Rep  Mackey’s  office  were  arranged  in  a  rainbow?

  48. 48.

    eclare

    April 16, 2022 at 12:26 pm

    @Amir Khalid:   What a finish!

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    April 16, 2022 at 12:27 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    And Liverpool surive a late fightback from the Emirate of Mancunia to make the FA Cup final.

  50. 50.

    cope

    April 16, 2022 at 12:29 pm

    @eclare: Maybe ESPN will show the final match. I’ll have to check.

    Yes, definitely a nail biter even following it via text.

  51. 51.

    Quiltingfool

    April 16, 2022 at 12:45 pm

    @Faithful Lurker: None of the stars are paper-pieced, but I have a great book called “50 Fabulous Paper-Pieced Stars” by Carol Doak  Each state has a block.

    The Star blocks in the first border are from a pattern book,”Block Party” by Marsha McCloskey.  Some of the blocks are a little difficult to get right, so I did some trial and error and made notes about what worked.

    Here is a link to a quilt I made using the paper-pieced patterns from the Carol Doak (and the colors happen to be blue and yellow!).

    https://pin.it/3WfqQvI

  52. 52.

    Villago Delenda Est

    April 16, 2022 at 1:01 pm

    @bbleh: Bitter and hateful is what 1/6 was all about.

  53. 53.

    Origuy

    April 16, 2022 at 1:09 pm

    I’m planning to visit Italy in July. I’ve got the lodgings and most of the transportation booked and I’m starting to get tickets for the major sites. This is my first visit, so i want to hit the majors, including the Vatican, without standing in a lot of lines. I went to the Vatican Museums website, which has a lot of videos and virtual tours. I thought jackals might enjoy looking at them this Easter weekend.

  54. 54.

    eachother

    April 16, 2022 at 1:09 pm

    NOVA PBS had an episode about
    Pot. The control and destruction of lives was a prominent topic. So was the science, such as it after so much obstruction and denial.
    The video of Ian Mackey above brings to mind the control issues ignorant politicians bring to policy to heap hurt and damaging authority upon their ideas of criminal violations. Ignorance is sand which cannot support these discriminatory positions. Yet they endure. Time and good sense is undermining them and they will wash away entirely, eventually.

  55. 55.

    Brachiator

    April 16, 2022 at 1:12 pm

    @sab:

    I stopped buying louisiana king cakes for mardi gras because we didn’t know what to do with the little plastic jesuses.

    Use them as decorations on hot cross buns?

  56. 56.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 16, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    @Cephalus Max: Ian Mackey is my new hero.

    I’m a straight white (very) Christian male, and he’s my new hero too.

    But speaking of Christ…

    @sab:

    My junior year abroad in England they actually had chocolate baby Jesuses. White chocolate and dark chocolate. A friend bought one, and we had a month long debate about how to eat it…which end to start at. I am still disturbed thinking about it.

    The presence of the Lord is always within me – might as well have a (dark) chocolate Jesus down in there too!  I’d eat it with relish. (The attitude, not the condiment, thankyewverymuch.)

    I stopped buying louisiana king cakes for mardi gras because we didn’t know what to do with the little plastic jesuses. You can’t just throw them out.

    Send ’em to me, I’ll throw them out for you. They’re just plastic, they’re not the Lord.

  57. 57.

    waspuppet

    April 16, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    The Republican in that clip has no future in the party. Doesn’t he know you’re supposed to growl “You keep my family out of this!”?

  58. 58.

    lowtechcyclist

    April 16, 2022 at 1:34 pm

    @WaterGirl: In fact, bigotry might be the biggest part of their platform.

    I’m sure you’re right, and I think this is why they didn’t even have a party platform in 2020.

    Everyone who will vote for them on account of the bigotry already knows that that’s what they’re about, but they still want to maintain the charade for those voters who pay so little attention that this isn’t immediately obvious to them, but it might turn them off.

  59. 59.

    The Moar You Know

    April 16, 2022 at 1:47 pm

    Make them own it and make them ashamed

    @Barbara: oh, they own it, no problem there, they own it and are proud of it.

    I have yet to hear of any method for making someone ashamed of anything, unfortunately.  They never will be.

  60. 60.

    CaseyL

    April 16, 2022 at 1:47 pm

    Another Russian General has bitten the dust in Ukraine:  Vladimir Frolov. That makes eight KIA total.  Who was it that said being a Russian General in Ukraine is like being the No. 2 in Al Qaeda?

  61. 61.

    Paul W.

    April 16, 2022 at 1:50 pm

    Just chiming in to say love the new tag and the reason behind it!

  62. 62.

    Ruckus ??

    April 16, 2022 at 2:07 pm

    @bbleh:

    Republicans are now openly the party of bigotry.

    Yes.

    They have come out of the closet, and are holding on to their racist hate for all they are worth. Which of course is a negative amount. Of all the stupid, ignorant, vile crap they could have chosen to be their headline policy, they chose the stupidest, vilest, crappiest one they could find. The one that defines their stupid, venal, and craptastic ideals. They could have gone with stealing all the money, that’s one they hold. They could have gone with everyone else’s kids fighting a war for something-something, that’s one they hold. They could have gone with how horrible government is to them for the above ideals, that’s one they hold. They could have gone with let’s have no government at all, the wealthy will own and control the military so we’ll be fine, that’s one they hold.

    But no, they had to go with racism and hate, because that’s their overwhelming favorite.

  63. 63.

    JoyceH

    April 16, 2022 at 2:18 pm

    @Origuy: A few years ago, I watched a documentary on the Vatican, which included a factoid that I’d never considered, but makes sense when you think about it – Vatican City is the only place in the world where the ATM screens… are in Latin!

  64. 64.

    Raoul Paste

    April 16, 2022 at 2:18 pm

    I wouldn’t sweat consuming a white or dark chocolate Jesus.  People take communion, don’t they?

  65. 65.

    JoyceH

    April 16, 2022 at 2:21 pm

    @Ruckus ??:

    But no, they had to go with racism and hate, because that’s their overwhelming favorite.

    I can’t help but think that’s going to backfire on them. Because isn’t that frenzied level of hatred EXHAUSTING? Some people might want to live that way full time, but surely most people get burned out on living at that level of turmoil constantly. I just don’t get what kind of person looks back on the years of the Trump administration and thinks that’s the way government ought to work!

  66. 66.

    ian

    April 16, 2022 at 2:35 pm

    @JoyceH:

    but surely most people get burned out on living at that level of turmoil constantly.

    Just guessing here, but do you have family that watches fox news?  They have been on a steady rage diet for 25 years.

  67. 67.

    Another Scott

    April 16, 2022 at 2:39 pm

    Meanwhile, … EconomicsFromTheTopDown.com – Dunning-Kruger Effect is not real – it’s autocorrelation.

    A very nice tutorial on how easy it is to fool oneself by not doing statistics carefully.

    (via CT_Bergstrom)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  68. 68.

    Soprano2

    April 16, 2022 at 2:41 pm

    @Quiltingfool: My dad’s mother had a quilt rack set up in her living room all summer every summer. I got a quilt from her at Christmas when I turned 16. I was sorry my sister never got a quilt from her. After my grandmother’s death I found a quilt in a small suitcase among my father’s stuff in her attic. I always thought it was intended for my sister, but I didn’t take it and when I went back a week later it was gone. I never knew who took it. That’s one of my few regrets, that I didn’t take that quilt.

  69. 69.

    Another Scott

    April 16, 2022 at 2:42 pm

    Another excellent CT_Bergstrom thread. tl;dr – One needs to be careful about making pronouncements about extrapolated growth rates and so forth, especially when one says that others are doing it rong.

    1. "The pandemic proves that people don't understand exponential growth," various folks have quipped.

    Perhaps that's true.

    You know the claim about how people are terrible at estimating exponential growth rates, and the classic study it's based on?

    It's hopelessly flawed.

    — Carl T. Bergstrom (@CT_Bergstrom) April 16, 2022

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  70. 70.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 2:44 pm

    @Raoul Paste: Yeah, I think if they say “the body of christ” before each bite, it’s all good.

  71. 71.

    Another Scott

    April 16, 2022 at 3:07 pm

    Meanwhile, … Aljazeera.com:

    At least five children and a woman have been killed in the eastern Afghan province of Kunar when Pakistani military forces fired rockets along the border in a pre-dawn assault, an official and a resident said.

    “Five children and a woman were killed and a man wounded in Pakistani rocket attacks in Shelton district of Kunar,” provincial director of information Najibullah Hassan Abdaal told AFP.

    […]

    The Taliban deny harbouring Pakistani armed fighters, but are also infuriated by a fence Islamabad is erecting along their 2,700km (1,600-mile) border known as the Durand line, which was drawn up in colonial times.

    On Thursday, at least seven Pakistani soldiers were killed in an ambush by an armed group near the Afghan border.

    According to a military statement, a Pakistani military convoy in a former stronghold of the Pakistan Taliban, known by the acronym TTP, near the Afghan border was ambushed, triggering an intense shoot-out in which seven soldiers and four members of the armed group were killed.

    The statement said the ambush took place in the Isham area of North Waziristan, a district in the volatile northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province.

    “Pakistan Army is determined to eliminate the menace of terrorism and such sacrifices of our brave soldiers further strengthen our resolve,” the statement added.

    […]

    There are so many players over there, each with their own agendas that have nothing to do with the USA. The Afghanistan Taliban is not the same as the Pakistan Taliban, etc. It’s good that Biden got the US out of there, and it’s horrible that the normal people there are probably going to have a few more decades of battles while the various factions try to impose themselves on the area. Ultimately, people of the region are going to have to figure it out.

    :-(

    Grr…,
    Scott.

  72. 72.

    Raoul Paste

    April 16, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    @WaterGirl: It was a joke, but I am sure the Almighty would understand, and also not want food to go to waste.
    Not that I claim to know the will of God or anything…

  73. 73.

    WaterGirl

    April 16, 2022 at 3:21 pm

    @Raoul Paste: Mine was intended to be funny, also.

  74. 74.

    Brachiator

    April 16, 2022 at 3:34 pm

    @JoyceH:

    I can’t help but think that’s going to backfire on them. Because isn’t that frenzied level of hatred EXHAUSTING?

    Some people enjoy feeding on their hatred, and spreading it where they can.

    This is especially the case if they can make themselves the victims.

  75. 75.

    karen marie

    April 16, 2022 at 3:43 pm

    @WaterGirl: Hear hear!

     

    In re the topic at hand – Mackey’s floor speech – was there a subsequent vote on the amendment or has it been withdrawn?

  76. 76.

    NotMax

    April 16, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    @karen marie

    It was passed by votes of the Missouri House chamber.

  77. 77.

    Geminid

    April 16, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    @Another Scott: The U.S.’s presence in Afghanistan gave that nation’s neighbors an excuse to sit on their hands, or to make trouble for us. If we had stayed our troops would just be mortar magnets, with Russia egging on the participants. So you are correct in saying that Joe Biden did the right thing there.

  78. 78.

    Geminid

    April 16, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    @laura: A Democratic consultant I follow described a what she wants to hear from candidates: “Hell yeah I’m a Democrat and this is why.”

  79. 79.

    Bupalos

    April 16, 2022 at 4:12 pm

    That’s a moving speech.

    But.

    Politically speaking I think It’s a bit of a missed opportunity, messaging wise. Let’s keep kids happier UNTIL THEY CAN GET OUT OF HERE? Think about that message and how it hits on either side. How about let’s stop shooting ourselves in the youth, and create a place  citizens don’t desperately want to flee?

  80. 80.

    Dan B

    April 16, 2022 at 4:48 pm

    Watergirl; Thanks for posting this. I lived in fear for years as well. There are many people who support these stealthy laws who believe LGBTQ people , and most, or all, minorities, are just whining about discrimination. They seem certain that we must accept what crumbs we get.

  81. 81.

    SFBayAreaGal

    April 16, 2022 at 4:57 pm

    @Origuy: Go to the Sistine Chapel first and then go through the museum. Less crowds.

  82. 82.

    Ruckus ??

    April 16, 2022 at 5:04 pm

    @JoyceH:

    If, as others have said, they watch faux news, all they hear is how everything democrats do will make their lives worse. Except that it’s everything that rethuglicans do that will and does make their lives worse. That and faux news. BUT IT’S ON TV, it must be true!

  83. 83.

    Origuy

    April 16, 2022 at 5:12 pm

    @SFBayAreaGal: I have actually read the opposite, that things thin out around 3PM because everyone goes early. I’m not sure what to believe, yet. I saw a lot of tours offering an early morning visit along with an American breakfast. I’m not taking that up! I know not to go on Wednesday, because that’s when the Pope holds audiences for the pilgrims.

  84. 84.

    Ruckus ??

    April 16, 2022 at 5:34 pm

    @Brachiator:

    This is especially the case if they can make themselves the victims.

    Isn’t that etched in stone in some rethuglican den of stupidity somewhere? Because it sure seems to be their MO.

  85. 85.

    rikyrah

    April 16, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    I have admiration for quilters. I love homemade quilts.

  86. 86.

    rikyrah

    April 16, 2022 at 8:29 pm

    @Dan B:

    These laws are made to erase trans children before they become trans adults. This  is obvious to me.??

  87. 87.

    El Muneco

    April 16, 2022 at 9:42 pm

    @JoyceH: Ah, you’ve touched on the difference between us and them. It’s very much like the difference between introverts and extroverts – extroverts gain energy from contact with others while introverts spend energy. Our right wing sustains itself on rage in a way that’s literally inconceivable to our center and left, who are drained by rage.

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