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Open Thread: NFLTG Beto

by TaMara|  August 10, 202210:51 pm| 99 Comments

This post is in: Gun Issues, Gun nuts, Open Threads, Politics, Republican Venality

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.@BetoORourke to a Greg Abbott supporter who laughed when the gubernatorial candidate mentioned the mass school shooting in Uvalde, Texas: “It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.” #txlege

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— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) August 11, 2022

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  1. 1.

    Lacuna Synecdoche

    August 10, 2022 at 10:56 pm

    Brace for motherfucking complaints from motherfuckers about motherfucking Democrats being motherfucking uncivil to wingnut fucking motherfuckers.

  2. 2.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 10:59 pm

    These motherfuckers better recognize what is coming.

    Keep fucking with women and moms, keep fucking mocking them, ignoring them, you’re gonna find the fuck out.

  3. 3.

    danielx

    August 10, 2022 at 11:00 pm

    How uncivil! The very idea!

    @Lacuna Synecdoche:

    Cue massive pearl clutching amongst Villagers also.

  4. 4.

    Chacal Charles Calthrop

    August 10, 2022 at 11:00 pm

    If Beto could only win in Texas he’d be President. Texas is the only large state that consistently votes Republican and if all those electoral votes were his, that could mean that no-one need worry about Florida or even the rust belt.

  5. 5.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2022 at 11:02 pm

    @Lacuna Synecdoche:

    “It may be funny to you motherfucker, but it’s not funny to me.”

    If ever there were a rotating tag just yearning for nomination, this is it.

  6. 6.

    John Cole

    August 10, 2022 at 11:03 pm

    I’m physically aroused.

    More Gen X candidates pls.

  7. 7.

    sukabi

    August 10, 2022 at 11:08 pm

    @John Cole: lol….know exactly how you feel.

  8. 8.

    Brachiator

    August 10, 2022 at 11:09 pm

    Now that’s what I’m motherfucking talking about!

  9. 9.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 11:09 pm

    Why did Beto say that?

  10. 10.

    Wag

    August 10, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    Truth hurts, motherfuckers.   Beto is coming for Austin and may well win.   To hell with the NRA and the GQP

  11. 11.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 10, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    Good for him. Is that slightly dazed fucker with the white beard the motherfucker in question?

    He’s a long shot, he might as well aim high, or far, or… whatever. (It was teh YouTube poster who blasphemed by adding the chicken dance music)

  12. 12.

    Scout211

    August 10, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    That audience reaction was just great! He’s got some enthusiastic supporters there. Awesome.

  13. 13.

    kalakal

    August 10, 2022 at 11:10 pm

    Oh yes! That was just perfect. I love the audience’s applause. They’re really fired up, great to see

  14. 14.

    Citizen Alan

    August 10, 2022 at 11:11 pm

    I think it’s time we start openly talking about the dirty little secret regarding republicans and school shootings. Namely, that they are in favor of them. Every time there is a school shooting it is followed by a rush of gun nuts buying up all the ammo they can get because they’re terrified of liberals who try to pass gun laws.  This leads to an increase in profits for the gun manufacturers, which in turn is funneled through gun lobbyists to pro-2A Republican politicians who will fight tooth and nail against any form of gun control. Republican politicians PROFIT from school shootings.

  15. 15.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2022 at 11:11 pm

    @John Cole:

    I know what you mean. I actually released an egg.

  16. 16.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 10, 2022 at 11:12 pm

    Deleted. Duplicate, triplicate, quadruplicate.

  17. 17.

    different-church-lady

    August 10, 2022 at 11:13 pm

    Oh he had a fuck left to give. And he gave it.

  18. 18.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 10, 2022 at 11:13 pm

    meanwhile, in another part of Texas…

    Justin Baragona @justinbaragona

    Greg Abbott: “We will explain to our fellow Texans that the Beto campaign is being aided by a bunch of New Yorkers in addition to George Soros, and that will do nothing but harm his campaign.”

    ((((Sooo-eeeeey!)))))  Here pig pig  pig!

  19. 19.

    TaMara

    August 10, 2022 at 11:20 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: He was within 6 points in the July polls

    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/06/greg-abbott-beto-orourke-poll-governor-2022/

  20. 20.

    dww44

    August 10, 2022 at 11:27 pm

    @Chacal Charles Calthrop: I’m old enough to remember when Texas was very Democratic. It can happen.  And this might be the year.  I’d vote for Beto in a heartbeat.  But, I don’t live in Texas, albeit my daughter did in the 90’s and early 2000’s.  Visited there when Ann Richards was Governor.  Last of a breed she was.

  21. 21.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 10, 2022 at 11:30 pm

    We need more of this motherfucking shit from Dems.  They need to call out the motherfuckers with vim and vigor and vulgarity, because Rethuglicans are, by definition nowadays (not when I was growing up) the worst motherfuckers around.

  22. 22.

    LeftCoastYankee

    August 10, 2022 at 11:42 pm

    In Wingnuts’ small-minded worldview Polite = Tolerant = Scared.

    Beto’s not scared and ain’t standing for their shit, so why not make it clear as hell for these evil motherfuckers one and all.

  23. 23.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 10, 2022 at 11:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Greg Abbott is pure, unadulterated SCUM. If Hell exists, I hope he winds up there.

  24. 24.

    Ohio Mom

    August 10, 2022 at 11:45 pm

    @Citizen Alan: School shootings also help to weaken the public school system, another Republican goal. Anything to push and scare families into private schools.

  25. 25.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 10, 2022 at 11:47 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    School shootings also help to weaken the public school system, another Republican goal. Anything to push and scare families into private schools.

    Yup, that is another lever in the effort to deconstruct public education.

  26. 26.

    SFAW

    August 10, 2022 at 11:56 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Anti-Semitic motherfucker, I hope there’s a Hell, so you can burn there.

  27. 27.

    Leto

    August 11, 2022 at 12:01 am

    Adam Parkhomenko@AdamParkhomenko
    Breaking: FBI delivers subpoenas to several Pa. Republican lawmakers. This comes after a search warrant was executed at Mar-a-Lago and Republican Congressman Scott Perry of PA had a warrant executed on him yesterday in which his cell phone was imaged.

    FBI delivers subpoenas to several Pa. Republican lawmakers: sources say

    Tick to the motherfucking tock, motherfuckers.

  28. 28.

    gene108

    August 11, 2022 at 12:05 am

    @HumboldtBlue:

    More than just deconstructing public education, it’s the goal of the conservative movement to deconstruct all civil institutions that move people towards cooperation and tolerance.

    The idea that we all have a say in how society is run is anathema to them. In the name of “freedom” they want to strip us of our sense of civic engagement.

    Can’t go to a Fourth of July parade, there might be a mass shooting. Can’t support the library, there maybe books I object to.

    They want to remake society so we all act like crabs in a bucket tearing each other apart.

  29. 29.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 11, 2022 at 12:07 am

    @gene108: I remember a tweet a few months before covid, with some conservatard claiming there was no example of a “public good” that actually worked.  No joke.  That’s their goal: that there be no public goods whatsoever.

  30. 30.

    NotMax

    August 11, 2022 at 12:13 am

    re: sidebar with the notation about Zooms.

    Tuesday, 8/11 at 7:30 pm

    The 11th is a Thursday.

  31. 31.

    gene108

    August 11, 2022 at 12:13 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Saw an interview with one of the Koch brothers saying one of their goals has been to destroy the idea of public services.

    The example used was shifting police budgets from taxpayer funded to funded by fines issued, so I guess taxes could be lowered.*

    What worries me is this idea of no public goods will be ruinous for this country. The people advocating for it are dangerously attached to the both the idea that America must always be number one in the world, and they are never at fault.

    If they actually succeed in getting their entire agenda implemented, the U.S. will be in shambles and they’ll be looking for scapegoats.

    *EDIT: Remembering a bit better. People didn’t object to taxes because it paid for services like police, for example. Decouple services from taxes paid, and people start objecting to paying taxes and accept tax cuts as a positive, regardless of the services they may not receive.

  32. 32.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 11, 2022 at 12:14 am

    @gene108:

    this idea of no public goods will be ruinous for this country humanity

    FTFY

  33. 33.

    Brachiator

    August 11, 2022 at 12:15 am

    @gene108:

    They want to remake society so we all act like crabs in a bucket tearing each other apart.

    Some of these people want to replace the civic society with a Christianist theocracy. The theory is that we want tear each other apart if we do what the Baby Jesus wants us to do.

  34. 34.

    catothedog

    August 11, 2022 at 12:17 am

    @Chetan Murthy:

    That was Margaret Thatcher’s bag of goods

    too many children and people have been given to understand ‘I have a problem, it is the Government’s job to cope with it!’ or ‘I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!’ ‘I am homeless, the Government must house me!’ and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first

    Reagan was cut from the same cloth, and the rest followed

  35. 35.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 11, 2022 at 12:17 am

    @Brachiator:

    The theory is that we want tear each other apart if we do what the Baby Jesus wants us to do.

    I suggest that their theory is that only those not among The Elect will get torn apart.  If you get torn apart, you obviously deserved it.

  36. 36.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 11, 2022 at 12:18 am

    @catothedog: always apposite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4-zDem1Sk

  37. 37.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 11, 2022 at 12:19 am

    @gene108:

    More than just deconstructing public education, it’s the goal of the conservative movement to deconstruct all civil institutions that move people towards cooperation and tolerance.

    Yes, yes it is, and they have no shame expressing it proudly, loudly and often.

    This woman was just elected as a county DA.

  38. 38.

    SFAW

    August 11, 2022 at 12:20 am

    @NotMax: ​
     

    The 11th is a Thursday.

    Not if you cross the International Date Line.

  39. 39.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2022 at 12:24 am

    @SFAW: Non sequiturs are us

  40. 40.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2022 at 12:26 am

    @HumboldtBlue: Have you seen Marian the Librarian? Lock her up!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N9C2JS9mWc

  41. 41.

    kalakal

    August 11, 2022 at 12:28 am

    1. @HumboldtBlue: hells teeth, they really are batshit crazy as well as poisonous. How could anyone vote for that.? If they have their way the country will just disintegrate
  42. 42.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2022 at 12:31 am

    @kalakal: The article talks about how few voted in the election. We are failing to educate and motivate the electorate.

  43. 43.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 11, 2022 at 12:32 am

    @gene108: They want to restore feudalism.  Wipe out everything from the Renaissance to the present.

  44. 44.

    patrick II

    August 11, 2022 at 12:36 am

    @Citizen Alan:

    Not to mention profits from all of the police departments sa!es who have to weapon up to match school shooters.

    And then won’t go thru the door with an ar-15 waiting on the other side.

  45. 45.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 11, 2022 at 12:36 am

    @gene108: So we just don’t let them win.

  46. 46.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2022 at 12:39 am

    @NotMax: I just tried to report this, site feedback seemed logical, but it’s too geared to hardware/software issues. Maybe all caps email to JC? I think this is in WG’s domain but I think this is out of her timeslot.

  47. 47.

    kalakal

    August 11, 2022 at 12:42 am

    @JaySinWA: That video truly shocked me

  48. 48.

    Dan B

    August 11, 2022 at 12:43 am

    @John Cole: TMI!

    I’ll manage.

     

    Grins.

  49. 49.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 11, 2022 at 12:46 am

    @danielx: Yes, pearls will be clutched over Beto’s saucy language, because one has to respect the right of some white boi asshole to take humor at the murder of children. Or something.

  50. 50.

    kalakal

    August 11, 2022 at 12:48 am

    @Villago Delenda Est: yep, I used to work with a Libertarian, I could never understand why someone who kept wurbling on about freedom was in favour of policies that would result in feudalism and where he’d enjoy all the freedoms of a medieval peasant.

  51. 51.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 11, 2022 at 12:53 am

    @JaySinWA:

    That is a disturbing scene.

  52. 52.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2022 at 12:53 am

    @kalakal: I could have sworn there was an article with this talking about low turnout. I can’t find it now. Maybe it was some other election, but this was an August election, the numbers i see were higher than what I remembered.

  53. 53.

    Captain C

    August 11, 2022 at 12:55 am

    @kalakal: They all think they’re going to be the lord of the manor, telling everyone else what to do.

  54. 54.

    Chetan Murthy

    August 11, 2022 at 12:58 am

    @Captain C: everyone who professes to believe in reincarnation was a prince/princess/king/queen/chief in their former lives.

  55. 55.

    JaySinWA

    August 11, 2022 at 1:01 am

    @Captain C: That’s why tax the rich fails to resonate in the US

  56. 56.

    James E Powell

    August 11, 2022 at 1:04 am

    @Leto:

    I would like to know the names of the several and see if anyone has a video of the service of the subpoenas.

  57. 57.

    SFAW

    August 11, 2022 at 1:21 am

    @JaySinWA: ​

    Non sequiturs are us

    You must have a different dictionary from me.
    It may have been abstruse, i.e., not as obvious a joke as you’d like, but it wasn’t a non sequitur.​​​​

  58. 58.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 11, 2022 at 1:41 am

    We’ve been warned.

    Nature ain’t fucking around.

  59. 59.

    Citizen Alan

    August 11, 2022 at 2:00 am

    @kalakal:

    He can’t imagine being a peasant. Somehow, somehow, he’ll end up being the guy who lives in the fancy castle with all the other serfs at his beck and call.  At heart, every Libertarian wants America to be “Somalia for White People” because every damned one of them thinks they’ll be the regional warlords instead of the poor schlub who dances when bandits shoot at his feet.

  60. 60.

    Citizen Alan

    August 11, 2022 at 2:00 am

    @kalakal:

    He can’t imagine being a peasant. Somehow, somehow, he’ll end up being the guy who lives in the fancy castle with all the other serfs at his beck and call.  At heart, every Libertarian wants America to be “Somalia for White People” because every damned one of them thinks they’ll be the regional warlords instead of the poor schlub who dances when bandits shoot at his feet.

  61. 61.

    Citizen Alan

    August 11, 2022 at 2:00 am

    @kalakal:

    He can’t imagine being a peasant. Somehow, somehow, he’ll end up being the guy who lives in the fancy castle with all the other serfs at his beck and call.  At heart, every Libertarian wants America to be “Somalia for White People” because every damned one of them thinks they’ll be the regional warlords instead of the poor schlub who dances when bandits shoot at his feet.

  62. 62.

    Citizen Alan

    August 11, 2022 at 2:00 am

    @kalakal:

    He can’t imagine being a peasant. Somehow, somehow, he’ll end up being the guy who lives in the fancy castle with all the other serfs at his beck and call.  At heart, every Libertarian wants America to be “Somalia for White People” because every damned one of them thinks they’ll be the regional warlords instead of the poor schlub who dances when bandits shoot at his feet.

  63. 63.

    Citizen Alan

    August 11, 2022 at 2:02 am

    Okay, that was weird. And I didn’t even get an Edit window I could use to delete the duplicate posts.

  64. 64.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 11, 2022 at 2:18 am

    @Citizen Alan:

    Yup.

    That’s weird.

  65. 65.

    Geminid

    August 11, 2022 at 2:25 am

    @Citizen Alan: I’ve heard that the site sometimes does funny stuff around this time at night. Might be trying to tell us to go to sleep!

  66. 66.

    AnotherKevin

    August 11, 2022 at 2:33 am

    @SiubhanDuinne: hahahahahahahha

  67. 67.

    AnotherKevin

    August 11, 2022 at 2:37 am

    @SFAW: I trust this is not directed at Jim?  If so, you have badly misread

  68. 68.

    JWR

    August 11, 2022 at 3:02 am

    Late catching up on everything, and watching all the TV news I could stand, was told only that Trump took the 5th, but not how many times he took the 5th.

    The deposition lasted four hours, and the only question the former president answered was about his name, Trump attorney Ron Fischetti told NBC News.

    A source with knowledge of the deposition said Trump took the fifth more than 440 times.

    Looks like he gave Michael Flynn a run for his “I take the 5th” money.

  69. 69.

    sukabi

    August 11, 2022 at 3:11 am

    @HumboldtBlue: that looks like it’s straight out of hell…or Hollywood…

  70. 70.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2022 at 3:18 am

    U.S.-style country music in Africa. It’s not a new thing.

  71. 71.

    Steeplejack

    August 11, 2022 at 3:27 am

    @John Cole:

    There’s an Archer meme for that.

  72. 72.

    prostratedragon

    August 11, 2022 at 3:29 am

    @prostratedragon:

    Dancing to Country in Zimbabwe

    Dancer drawn by Bill Traylor of Montgomery, AL

  73. 73.

    Steeplejack

    August 11, 2022 at 3:37 am

    Motorbike guy across the street just departed again.

    I need to get some sleep. I’m driving to Rehoboth Beach (later) in the morning. Family reunion with Bro’ Man and RWNJ brother, who motored in from Las Vegas in his F-350 pickup with camper back.

  74. 74.

    ColoradoGuy

    August 11, 2022 at 3:43 am

    @Steeplejack: An F350 carrying a 2500 to 3500 lb. camper. Unless it’s a diesel, that’ll be 8 to 10 mpg. Diesel, 14 mpg … maybe. One guess what he’ll be complaining about.

  75. 75.

    Jinchi

    August 11, 2022 at 4:16 am

    @kalakal:  I could never understand why someone who kept wurbling on about freedom was in favour of policies that would result in feudalism 

    It took me a long time to realize that Libertarians were never talking about “freedom”, just the Darwinian freedom of the powerful to take from everyone else.

  76. 76.

    Ruckus

    August 11, 2022 at 4:33 am

    @Wyatt Salamanca:

    Greg doesn’t want wait till he’s dead to live in hell, that’s why he’s trying to make where he lives hell on earth.

  77. 77.

    Baud

    August 11, 2022 at 4:46 am

    Everyone’s talking about the cussin’, but I’m sitting here impressed that a Dem candidate can talk about gun regulations on Texas.

  78. 78.

    206inKY

    August 11, 2022 at 4:49 am

    Makes me want to dig out my Beto 2020 yard sign. Highly recommend the HBO documentary on his Senate race.

  79. 79.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 11, 2022 at 7:30 am

    @SFAW:

    Anti-Semitic motherfucker, I hope there’s a Hell, so you can burn there.

    Definitely time to call them out on their anti-Semitic dog whistles.  If they go all Soros, ask them why they believe rich Jews have no business in politics but they’re happy to take the money of the Koches and DeVoses and all those other nominally Christian rich people.

  80. 80.

    schrodingers_cat

    August 11, 2022 at 7:43 am

    Before they dropped out of the 2020 race, Beto and Harris were my two favorites.

  81. 81.

    mardam422

    August 11, 2022 at 7:45 am

    Wow! That sent chills down my spine. Beto rocks!

  82. 82.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 11, 2022 at 7:56 am

    @kalakal: Libertarians generally think that if the government wasn’t keeping them down they’d be little lords or kings, because they’re so smart.

  83. 83.

    Baud

    August 11, 2022 at 8:05 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    If it weren’t for big government liberals, Olivia Rodrigo would be totally into me.

  84. 84.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 11, 2022 at 8:11 am

    @Baud: I think it’s more “If it weren’t for big government liberals, Olivia Rodrigo would have to settle for me, whether she was into me or not.”

  85. 85.

    Baud

    August 11, 2022 at 8:13 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    Those details don’t concern me.

  86. 86.

    JML

    August 11, 2022 at 8:14 am

    @Matt McIrvin: modern libertarianism mostly seems to be about people wanting to smoke pot and not pay taxes.

  87. 87.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 11, 2022 at 8:23 am

    Is it just me, or are alleged libertarians being rather quiet about conservatives’ banning books, ‘don’t say gay’ laws, and all the rest of that?

  88. 88.

    Baud

    August 11, 2022 at 8:24 am

    @lowtechcyclist:

    They always go quiet when it comes to Republicans.

  89. 89.

    Kevin

    August 11, 2022 at 8:32 am

    More of this please.

  90. 90.

    lowtechcyclist

    August 11, 2022 at 8:37 am

    @Baud: Just noting that they’re not what they say they are.

  91. 91.

    lee

    August 11, 2022 at 9:06 am

    @Geminid: ​
     My guess is this is when backups are running. Making backups of a live site can be ‘exciting’.

  92. 92.

    lee

    August 11, 2022 at 9:07 am

    @lowtechcyclist: ​
     Not just you. They have been very very quite about it all.

  93. 93.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 11, 2022 at 9:18 am

    @lowtechcyclist: If you ask them about this stuff they’ll say that keeping their money is more important because power flows from money. It’s very much like the philosophy of the type of Marxists who think the left should shut up about race/sex/culture issues and only concentrate on class war… but in reverse. (Mark “Zompist” Rosenfelder once noted that to obtain these people’s ideology you basically start with a really doctrinaire Communist and just take the opposite of everything.)

  94. 94.

    lee

    August 11, 2022 at 9:37 am

    I’m attending a Beto Town Hall this Saturday in a fairly red county. It will be interesting.

  95. 95.

    The Moar You Know

    August 11, 2022 at 9:41 am

    9/10.  A full ten would be awarded for capping it with “you sick fuck”.

    Laughing about a school of kids being slaughtered ought to be dealt with by immediate, involuntary transport to a mental hospital for a minimum 72-hour hold.

  96. 96.

    Villago Delenda Est

    August 11, 2022 at 10:50 am

    @kalakal: ​
     They imagine they will be the new feudal lords. Charles Koch laughs at them.

  97. 97.

    Mike in NC

    August 11, 2022 at 11:12 am

    It’s sickening that a sociopathic piece of filth like Greg Abbott still dreams of moving into the White House and the media are behind him every step of the way.

  98. 98.

    Tony G

    August 11, 2022 at 11:28 am

    @Citizen Alan: That is absolutely true.  Back in 2012 I was working in an IBM software support office in upstate New York — an area that, politically, might as well as been Kentucky or Alabama.  That year there were two of the worst mass shootings in our horrifying history — Aurora, Colorado and Sandy Hook.  Several of the “men” in my office loudly and proudly proclaimed after each shooting that they were going to buy more guns and ammunition “before Obama grabs their guns”.  These guys were intelligent enough to code and debug software, so they were not stupid in the conventional sense of the word.  They were — and probably still are — part of a death cult that probably includes white supremacy.  Suffice to say that I had nothing to do with them after work hours.

  99. 99.

    dww44

    August 11, 2022 at 1:07 pm

    @Tony G: There are just too many of these in the current iteration of the GOP stalwarts.  I’ve plenty of relatives like this and sadly, the women in their lives are of the same opinions.  If the women could be cleaved off, I think the demise/cleansing of this GOP might happen more quickly.  It’s gonna happen though, cause the average educated American will eventually  see though this crazy extremism and move away.  At least  that’s what I hope.

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