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You are here: Home / Elections / 2024 Elections / Republican Politics Open Thread: DeSantis, Grinding Down the Edges

Republican Politics Open Thread: DeSantis, Grinding Down the Edges

by Anne Laurie|  January 17, 20236:34 pm| 75 Comments

This post is in: 2024 Elections, Open Threads, Republican Politics, Riveted By The Sociological Significance Of It All

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they normally reserve this treatment for democratic women and barack obama

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) January 17, 2023

Seems as though Ron DeSantis is not the 2024 candidate the Republican elite would’ve chosen. But, at the present moment, he’s the best alternative to TFG they’ve got… and, that being so, Politico will join the work crew dedicated to reshaping his public image. Sorta. While carefully preserving a level of ‘ironic’ deniability, just in case:

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — When a couple hundred major donors to Gov. Ron DeSantis’s inauguration arrived at a candlelight dinner to the sounds of a solo saxophonist the night before his swearing-in last week they found a pair of surprises waiting for them.

In a departure from the pedestrian fare found at most political banquets, DeSantis, a food-lover with Italian roots, flew in the crew from Carbone, the trendy, New York-founded restaurant chain that moved to Miami last year, to both make a point about companies relocating to Florida and to offer a treat to contributors who gave at least $25,000.

Yet what was even more of a thrill to the donors than Carbone’s signature spicy rigatoni was what happened during the dinner: DeSantis and his wife, Casey, went table to table greeting and thanking the attendees.

Such a gesture would hardly be noteworthy for most politicians. But the early rap on DeSantis from his fellow Republicans is that, for all his smarts and shrewdness, he lacks charm, and is either unwilling or unable to submit to the longstanding rituals of retail politics.

So the mere fact that he table-hopped at a dinner in his honor — and that more than a few of his contributors were thrilled enough about the personal touch to recount it to me after the closed-press fete — is revealing.

The governor’s glad-handing illustrates that he’s absorbed the critique about his aloofness and is making an effort at rebutting it. The delighted response about an unremarkable show of gratitude demonstrates how little of it he’s done to date; and the relish with which his glancing interactions were recalled indicates how low the expectations bar is for DeSantis and what it means to an important constituency when he clears said bar…

Counterargument, from Lulu Garcia-Navarro in a NYTimes op-ed — “Republicans Are Getting It Wrong About DeSantis and Florida” (unpaywalled ‘gift’ link):

… The case for Mr. DeSantis… isn’t just that he looks comparatively sage next to Mr. Trump. It’s also that he spoke out early against lockdowns and has overseen a growing economy. Florida now has the fastest-growing population in the country, a factoid that Mr. DeSantis’s spokesman, Jeremy Redfern, immediately touted after it was announced. “People vote with their feet,” he said. “We are proud to be a model for the nation, and an island of sanity in a sea of madness.”

Most criticism of Mr. DeSantis’s national electability has been centered around his lack of charisma, which Mr. Trump crystallized by giving him the cumbersome nickname Ron DeSanctimonious. But focusing on personality and style obscures the governor’s real failings: Florida is not a model for the nation, unless the nation wants to become unaffordable for everyone except rich snowbirds.

While my home state’s popularity might indeed seem like good news for a governor with presidential ambitions, a closer look shows that Florida is underwater demographically. Most of those flocking there are aging boomers with deep pockets, adding to the demographic imbalance for what is already one of the grayest populations in the nation. This means that Florida won’t have the younger workers needed to care for all those seniors. And while other places understand that immigrants, who often work in the service sector and agriculture, two of Florida’s main industries, are vital to replenishing aging populations, Mr. DeSantis and the state G.O.P. are not exactly immigrant-friendly, enacting legislation to limit the ability of people with uncertain legal status to work in the state…

While Mr. DeSantis has been busy limiting what can be taught in schools, flying immigrants to Northern states and punishing “woke” Disney, working-class Floridians are being priced out of many Florida cities. Miami now surpasses Los Angeles and New York City as the least-affordable city for housing in the United States, and joining it in the top five is the once working-class South Florida Cuban-American bastion of Hialeah. Miami is also second in income inequality, with levels roughly comparable with Colombia’s and Panama’s. Rents are soaring across many other parts of the state as well. And health care costs are unbearably high compared with those in other parts of the country because workers in the state have to shoulder a higher percentage of premiums.

The fact is, Florida is having many of the same problems as its liberal archnemesis California, and its Republican-led State Legislature is doing little to help less-affluent families thrive. More than 76 percent of Floridians live on the coasts, but in an era of fierce storms due to climate change and rising sea levels, many can’t afford or even qualify for insurance for their homes, especially those who live in older buildings or in low-income areas. Lawmakers in Tallahassee ended the year giving insurance companies a huge bailout but doing little to reduce insurance costs for homeowners…

For the average Republican voter, presumably, ‘turning the whole country into a banana-Republican paradise divided between an elite kleptocracy and a vastly larger population of serfs’ would be a feature not a bug. But it certainly gives us Democrats a stick with which to beat him!

remaining pretty bullish on the idea that trump might not be able to win a primary but he can make damned sure desantis loses the general

— GOLIKEHELLMACHINE (@golikehellmachi) January 16, 2023

yeah man voters are totally gonna think a reedy-voiced religious culture warrior is the candidate of the center https://t.co/Kjns9tpddr

— knife-wielding hemophiliac (@NickTagliaferro) January 16, 2023

Romney 2012 was the tamest possible version of a candidate being brought down by pandering to evangelicals and fiscal conservatives and you think leaning into it is going to go better?

— knife-wielding hemophiliac (@NickTagliaferro) January 16, 2023

mAkE iT uP iN tHe CeNtEr pic.twitter.com/tdlwciLaOS

— Pomodoro (Dad Joke Era) (@ilpomodoro2) January 16, 2023

And, of course, TFG might not be able to clinch his own candidacy, but he most certainly can bloody up any alternative candidates…

Trump today on Desantis: “I got him elected, pure and simple. And there was no reason to go wild about endorsing him .. So, now I hear he might want to run against me. So, we’ll handle that the way I handle things.” pic.twitter.com/rBBYyUtnNW

— Ron Filipkowski ???? (@RonFilipkowski) January 16, 2023

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    1. 1.

      schrodingers_cat

      January 17, 2023 at 6:37 pm

      Not to be petty but the 60s called and they want the Jackie O cosplay outfit  back. That color looks terrible on her. It completely washes her out.

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 6:42 pm

      Most of those flocking there are aging boomers with deep pockets, adding to the demographic imbalance for what is already one of the grayest populations in the nation. This means that Florida won’t have the younger workers needed to care for all those seniors. And while other places understand that immigrants, who often work in the service sector and agriculture, two of Florida’s main industries, are vital to replenishing aging populations, Mr. DeSantis and the state G.O.P. are not exactly immigrant-friendly, enacting legislation to limit the ability of people with uncertain legal status to work in the state…

      Always makes me sad. It isn’t that hard to create and maintain a middle class. You just can’t be greedy pigs who take everything that isn’t nailed down and leave a wasteland of really rich people and really poor people.
      There is PLENTY for EVERYONE. If the lower rungs do better so will everyone else. It can all be positive.

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      lollipopguild

      January 17, 2023 at 6:42 pm

      I keep waiting for desantis to get a law passed in Florida making covid-19 vaccines illegal. FREEDUM!

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      MattF

      January 17, 2023 at 6:47 pm

      Also, an obstacle to moving to Florida is the problem of buying a home. I’d think twice (or even more frequently, with reflection) about, e.g., buying a condo, particularly a condo near a beach in Florida. Standards are toughening and insurance is getting much more expensive. Buyer beware.

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    5. 5.

      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 6:48 pm

      A couple of years ago my daughter and her husband were looking to relocate. They’re both in high demand jobs in health care. I was looking at various places online with them –  “starter houses” -and I looked at Florida because 20 years ago Florida had affordable entry level housing and I just assumed it still did. I was shocked at the prices.

      They ended up in NY. The starter house was as expensive as those in Florida (nearly unaffordable for younger people and would have been unaffordable without me and my husband’s help) but the pay was much better.

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      lollipopguild

      January 17, 2023 at 6:49 pm

      @Kay: You are 100% correct but our friends on the right want a country with a large rich class a very small middle class and a very large poor class that they can use and abuse.

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      Matt McIrvin

      January 17, 2023 at 6:51 pm

      @lollipopguild: A small rich class that they’re in is fine.

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      Gin & Tonic

      January 17, 2023 at 6:53 pm

       When a couple hundred major donors

      Where’s eemom to go apoplectic about this? She hasn’t been around in a long time, huh?

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    9. 9.

      raven

      January 17, 2023 at 6:57 pm

      @Gin & Tonic: \

      I can’t quit you baby So I’m gonna put you down for awhile

      I said I can’t quit you baby I guess I gotta put you down for awhile

      Said you messed up my happy home

      Made me mistreat my only child Yes sir you did!

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      Dan B

      January 17, 2023 at 6:58 pm

      DeSantis just decreed that no Florida government entities could invest in woke funds or companies.  Since ESG (environmental, social, and governance) is a part of nearly all funds on Wall Street it’s gonna be a shitstorm.  Apparently the state pension fund lost $200 million investing in Russia it already was.

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    11. 11.

      SiubhanDuinne

      January 17, 2023 at 7:02 pm

      Since it’s a Republican Politics Open Thread…

      WaPo is reporting that George Santos has been assigned to two House committees: Small Business, and Science/Space/Technology.

      I don’t know much about either one. Neither is especially flashy, AFAIK. So I guess the idea was to park him where he can do minimal damage?

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:08 pm

      @lollipopguild:

      It’s kind of amazing the bullshit FL is able to pull. The national crime panic is a good example. Florida has a ton of violent crime, yet for some reason all the reporting was on Chicago, NY and (oddly) San Francisco.

      How do you look at this country objectively and just ignore crime in every huge southern city while doing breathless fearmongering reporting on crime in every northern city and California? It’s nuts, but it happened. It’s like DeSantis and the rest of the southern governors wrote the script.

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:16 pm

      Tom Bonier
      @tbonier
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      We have 98% of individual vote history reported from Florida. GOP turnout was at 104% of 2018 totals. Dem turnout was 80% of ’18, resulting in an electorate that was +12 GOP, as compared to +1.5 GOP in ’18. Dems just stayed home.

      Ooof. +12. Democrats should invest some in figuring out Florida. It’s too big to give up on. Look at it like buying at the bottom of the market for Dems. It can only go up :)

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    14. 14.

      Dangerman

      January 17, 2023 at 7:24 pm

      Desantis looks sage compared to Trump? Any one of my toes looks sage compared to Trump (maybe not the one that wee wee wee’d all the way home; kinda concerned about that one). But it’s either Trump or Desantis or one of the crazy fuckers (my money is on Trump, if he isn’t in jail or deceased).

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      Miki

      January 17, 2023 at 7:25 pm

      @Kay: “We all do better when we all do better.” Paul Wellstone

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    16. 16.

      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:27 pm

      @Miki:

      I told my daughter “you’re a cold weather person. We don’t belong down there. We’ll melt” :)

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      Ksmiami

      January 17, 2023 at 7:28 pm

      Oh god…true story the guy bloviating/tweeting that RDS will win the center was my neighbor.. he’s a fat Rt freak who pretends to be a “moderate Republican…”

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    18. 18.

      El Cruzado

      January 17, 2023 at 7:30 pm

      Florida may be “underwater demographically” but if we wait a couple decades it will also be “underwater geographically”

      Anyone who buys property anywhere near the Florida coast with no intention to flip it immediately is setting themselves up for a big fat zero in their investment value.

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      lollipopguild

      January 17, 2023 at 7:30 pm

      @Kay: Also blue states are overrun with homeless people but Texas and Florida have NO homeless people.

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      eclare

      January 17, 2023 at 7:31 pm

      @Kay:   The ancient Romans even knew this, bread and circuses.

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    21. 21.

      Ksmiami

      January 17, 2023 at 7:31 pm

      @Kay: there are no services in FL.. zippo investment in actual people. When we had the opportunity, we fled to Michigan and couldn’t have been happier

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      Ohio Mom

      January 17, 2023 at 7:34 pm

      @Kay: We did try in Florida. There was that massive push to change things so that people who had served their jail time could vote — that is to say, Black people.

      It passed. Then the Florida Republicans said, “Vote? Not so fast. Pay up first.” “How much, for what?” “That’s for us to know and for you to find out, Lol.”

      And that was that.

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      JML

      January 17, 2023 at 7:35 pm

      The good thing for democrats in 2024 if DeSatan is the nominee is that we don’t need to win FL to win the presidential. Republicans are in deep deep trouble without it (they’d need to win both MI & PA, as well as AZ and an EV in either Maine or NE with NH or getting NV). He doesn’t make them more attractive in the midwest, northeast or southwest which are where some of the swingiest states are.

      I also think Politico and the usual bobos in the DC media “elite” drastically underestimate just how much crazy any GOP primary candidate needs to shovel out there and how far to the right they have to go to secure the nomination. You can’t just pivot away for the general and pretend that nothing you said in the spring matters.

      That said, the democratic party needs a real renaissance in FL. It can be brought back around…but there’s an argument that time, money, resources, and focus are better spent in GA and NC. Both are states that are growing and are becoming more democratic over time with the kind of democratic voters that will stick for a national election.

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      eclare

      January 17, 2023 at 7:36 pm

      @raven:   Hahaha…nice cut from Led Zep I.

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    25. 25.

      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:40 pm

      @lollipopguild:

      Exactly right. Just baffling to me. Of course they have a homelessness problem- low wages, expensive housing and it’s warm. Yet for some reason it just isn’t mentioned.

      Is homelessness a big problem in Florida? according to the U.S. Council on Homelessness there is. New data released on Tuesday shows Florida has the third-largest homeless population in the country at 27,487 and counting. It also showed public school data reported to the U.S. Department of Education during the 2018-2019 school year, an estimated 91,068 public school students experienced homelessness over the course of the year. Economist say the lack of affordable housing is the primary factor leading to homelessness here in the SunShine State, This as most people who become homeless in Florida have extremely low incomes making it difficult to maintain rental housing.

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      Ohio Mom

      January 17, 2023 at 7:40 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: I think that outfit is only half Jackie O, the white gloves and the bouffant hairstyle. The cut of that dress — how tight it is — and that off-the-shoulder cape, that is Melania.

      Which makes sense, the DeSantises want to take the place of the Trumps.

      I agree, that mint green is atrocious.

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    27. 27.

      The Moar You Know

      January 17, 2023 at 7:41 pm

      This incompetent stubby fucker and his ghastly wife will be president of nothing save for the one run and out club.

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      Brachiator

      January 17, 2023 at 7:43 pm

      Seems as though Ron DeSantis is not the 2024 candidate the Republican elite would’ve chosen. But, at the present moment, he’s the best alternative to TFG they’ve got…

      Alternative to Trump?

      More like Trump’s mini-me.

      In a departure from the pedestrian fare found at most political banquets, DeSantis, a food-lover with Italian roots, flew in the crew from Carbone, the trendy, New York-founded restaurant chain that moved to Miami last year.

      Interesting. Trump is the (kinda broke) rich guy with terrible taste. DeSantis is the faux populist with elitist tastes.

      In any event, it is sad to see any media kissing DeSantis’ ass and trying to make him look acceptable.

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:45 pm

      @Ohio Mom:

      I think they have to just keep hitting it. They can’t ignore high growth states. The nice thing about “high growth” is that means change. Republicans may have a lock now but that’s a huge diverse state and it’s a moving target. Dems need to find people who know what they’re talking about in the state, aren’t gross rip-off grifters, and then invest in their suggestions. They’re in such bad shape they can be really creative instead of returing to Crist over and over or “I used to be a cop”- they have nothing to lose.

      +12 R is worse than Ohio. My God. Did we ever screw FL up, politically. Whoever we paid should get fired.

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:48 pm

      @The Moar You Know:

      Oh, I hope you’re right. He’s just loathsome. The sheer nastiness of these people. It’s bad for our national conscience.

      I don’t forget that you were right about Biden and no one else was willing to bet on that publicly here :)

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    31. 31.

      SpongeBobtheBuilder

      January 17, 2023 at 7:49 pm

      Besides the obvious problems with the cape dress (already mentioned) the gloves are inappropriate, AND your partner should be wearing a tux if you are dressed that formally.

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      Mike in Pasadena

      January 17, 2023 at 7:53 pm

      In the photo up top, Rhonada Sandtits is trying to look pious but actuallly looks like he’s on the throne trying to pinch off a painful loaf. Sanctimonious fake religiosity.

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    33. 33.

      Delk

      January 17, 2023 at 7:55 pm

      So, now I hear he might want to run against me. So, we’ll handle that the way I handle things.”

      Pretty nice cape you got there sure would be a shame if something happened to it.

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 7:55 pm

      @Mike in Pasadena:

      One thing in our favor IMO is Florida still has real newspapers. They don’t seem to be afraid of him- the only entity that doesn’t.

      Maybe we’ll get the due diligence we didn’t get w/Trump.

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    35. 35.

      SiubhanDuinne

      January 17, 2023 at 7:55 pm

      @Ohio Mom:

      I agree, that mint green is atrocious.

      “The sea, the snotgreen sea, the scrotumtightening sea.”

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      lgerard

      January 17, 2023 at 7:56 pm

      Lady DeSantis has a Bride of Frankenstein thing going on in those pictures

       

      https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0026138/mediaviewer/rm2551068929/?ref_=tt_md_11

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      Mike in NC

      January 17, 2023 at 7:59 pm

      Our friends in Tampa will put their house on the market next week and cannot wait to get out of Florida forever.

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    38. 38.

      geg6

      January 17, 2023 at 8:00 pm

      Most of my friends who moved to FL back in the 80s have moved back or are working on leaving.  It has just happened over the last few years.  Some have directly stated that the state has turned into an expensive, low service shithole.  And completely unaffordable homeowners insurance, if you can even get it. I try real hard to sympathize and not say I told you so way back when.  I don’t always succeed.

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      mrmoshpotato

      January 17, 2023 at 8:01 pm

      But the early rap on DeSantis from his fellow Republicans is that, for all his smarts and shrewdness, he lacks charm

      When other Rethuglicans think you have all the tender sweetness of a seasick crocodile…

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      Betty Cracker

      January 17, 2023 at 8:03 pm

      Great Value Jackie O is as cynical, corrupt and power-hungry as her grotesque husband, so no one should feel bad about trashing Ms. DeSantis. She’s not just married to an asshole; she’s an asshole in her own right.

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      zhena gogolia

      January 17, 2023 at 8:04 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: we had a whole thread devoted to this yesterday

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      schrodingers_cat

      January 17, 2023 at 8:04 pm

      @Ohio Mom: Good observations. That color is a difficult one to wear for almost anyone. I could see a blouse or shirt that’s mint green with a navy blue skirt or pants. But head to toe mint green makes you look pallid.

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      schrodingers_cat

      January 17, 2023 at 8:06 pm

      @zhena gogolia: I must have missed it.

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      Frankensteinbeck

      January 17, 2023 at 8:07 pm

      @Ohio Mom:

      Then the Florida Republicans said, “Vote? Not so fast. Pay up first.” “How much, for what?” “That’s for us to know and for you to find out, Lol.”

      If Dem voter turnout dropped by 20%, maybe DeSantis’s barely fig-leafed threat to arrest black people for voting worked.

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      zhena gogolia

      January 17, 2023 at 8:08 pm

      @schrodingers_cat: it was a good one

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      cope

      January 17, 2023 at 8:11 pm

      At around 2 PM on 12/29/22, my wife, dog and I drove our packed Honda away from Central Florida, toward our new home in Western Colorado. We didn’t quite get out of the state that day (Tallahassee) but did the next. We have no desire to go back. All of us (the dog included) are already so much better off for it in every imaginable way. We did, indeed, vote with our feet, all 8 of them.

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      Elizabelle

      January 17, 2023 at 8:16 pm

      @cope:   I am very happy for you.

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      Kay

      January 17, 2023 at 8:19 pm

      I know they’re busy vanquishing woke kindergarten teachers with their manly speeches at podiums, but it does seem they have to fix the property insurance problem. Are people just like “oh, well, I can’t buy insurance but at least Critical Race Theory has been eradicated”.

      I would care about the insurance. But Texas residents don’t care about an electric grid, so maybe being uninsurable is a minor annoyance.

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      Betsy

      January 17, 2023 at 8:36 pm

      @The Moar You Know: Thank you for that. 😂

      I can’t stand his swollen earlobes or fat nose or rubbery lips.  They seem turgid with spite and nastiness.

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      Gvg

      January 17, 2023 at 8:36 pm

      @lollipopguild: Do you mean that sarcastically or ironically? Florida has plenty of homeless people and I expect we always will. People can survive outside in the winter. They migrate down here. We seem to have another surge right now and as usual it provokes a mean spirited backlash that doesn’t solve anything.
      My sister went to med school with someone whose family was homeless for a few years and they camped in the Ocala State forest. Still managed to go to school apparently.
      we will always have some homeless including from colder areas, we need to face it and try to come up with merciful solutions not indulge the ogres tantrums.

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      Mike in NC

      January 17, 2023 at 8:38 pm

      Mrs. DeSantis is the Kari Lake of Florida, a shallow former TV personality with a lot of ambition.

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      sdhays

      January 17, 2023 at 9:20 pm

      @Kay: They assume, whether they consciously think about it or not, that the Federal government will make them whole if anything happens to them.

      That’s what feeling entitled is all about.

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      lollipopguild

      January 17, 2023 at 9:54 pm

      @Gvg: Most states have homeless problems, but the press tends to focus on the blue states and cities while ignoring the homeless problems in red states and cities.  If a lot of people pack up and move to Florida they end up creating many of the same problems that people left behind in the old state including homelessness.

      Reply
    54. 54.

      TriassicSands

      January 17, 2023 at 9:55 pm

      Ah, Florida governor Kim Jong Ron. My favorite.

      Reply
    55. 55.

      Matt McIrvin

      January 17, 2023 at 10:02 pm

      See, I’m unconvinced that the general public will find DeSantis unlikeable, because I hate him, and usually people I hate are “the ones you want to have a beer with” to most Americans. So this is hard for me to gauge.

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    56. 56.

      TriassicSands

      January 17, 2023 at 10:02 pm

       “People vote with their feet,” he said.

      Today, if people vote with their feet and they go to Florida, I can only conclude that voting with their feet was necessary due to their having no brain. To move there now, it seems like you have to love humidity and fascism.

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    57. 57.

      Suzanne

      January 17, 2023 at 10:09 pm

      @Ohio Mom: That whole look is so, so bad. It looks like she got it off an end-of-season sales rack at J.C. Penney. Everything about it is bad.

      The color is part of why it’s atrocious, for sure. When we moved into our house here in PGH, each of the second floor bedrooms had been painted a TERRIBLE color. One of the rooms was painted THAT COLOR with GOLD CURTAINS and GOLD CARPET.

      We had the carpet ripped out STAT, and painted every wall white. That terrible color is straight out of 1987.

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    58. 58.

      Tony G

      January 17, 2023 at 10:21 pm

      @Kay: “aging boomers with deep pockets” moving to “retirement communities” in Florida.  I’m an aging boomer (67 now).  I have never understood why old people move to these “retirement communities”.  It just seems like hell to me — being trapped in a “community” where everyone is old.  My wife and I continue to live in the neighborhood where we’ve lived for the past 33 years, and I enjoy seeing noisy kids and teenagers running around the neighborhood.  I really don’t understand these “aging boomers” — and there are millions of them.  They’re rigid control-freaks, and it’s understandable that someone with that mind set would be a right-wing voter, supporting freaks like Trump and DeSantis.

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    59. 59.

      Tony G

      January 17, 2023 at 10:27 pm

      @sdhays: And they’re probably correct about that.  Wealthy white people never have to take responsibility for their mistakes.  It’s right there in the Constitution, and in the Bible!

      Reply
    60. 60.

      Evap

      January 17, 2023 at 10:47 pm

      Much as I loath governor Kemp here in GA, DeSantis makes him look reasonable.  He’s proposing giving public school teachers raises, for example.

      Reply
    61. 61.

      Miss Bee

      January 17, 2023 at 11:23 pm

      @Suzanne: I agree–straight out of 1987 or straight out of a toothpaste tube.

      Reply
    62. 62.

      Narya

      January 17, 2023 at 11:40 pm

      @Tony G: for my parents, they were able to keep doing stuff; the association put together bus trips that didn’t require driving. For me, someday, I have no kids so might need help/support. I live on the second floor, no elevator. I love my place, but my 92-yr-old dad would never be able to go anywhere. In their current place my mom can get him in the car, etc.; she’s gonna be 88 in two weeks. She has friends and groups and they’ve found the other democrats and atheists in the bunch. That is, it’s complicated. :)

      Reply
    63. 63.

      Steve in the ATL

      January 17, 2023 at 11:41 pm

      @Evap: he learned from Roy Barnes’ mistake!

      Reply
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      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 17, 2023 at 11:57 pm

      @Evap:

      Much as I loath governor Kemp here in GA, DeSantis makes him look reasonable.  He’s proposing giving public school teachers raises, for example.

      Using, as I understand it, the federal emergency funds most Republicans opposed. And your comment points to why I think Kemp and the tall guy with the fleece vest from VA are gonna be stronger candidates than DeSantis

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    65. 65.

      Jim, Foolish Literalist

      January 17, 2023 at 11:59 pm

      Is this another fashion thread? I feel qualified to comment cause I’m wearing my fanciest sweat-pants

      Anna Jo @chikumailma06
      If Sinema can wear this to the US Senate, Missouri women should be able to bare their arms. Just saying.

      Reply
    66. 66.

      cain

      January 18, 2023 at 12:30 am

      @Tony G: It’s because they don’t want to pay taxes to help schools or any other thing that doesn’t directly affect them. That you have deep pockets and going to Florida tells me that they are self centered assholes as they are willing to pay more just to get out of paying taxes for schools.

      Or maybe they are horney fucks and think they’ll see a lot of skins – I understand there is a lot of sex with the neighbors going on in the villages.

      Reply
    67. 67.

      Bostondreams

      January 18, 2023 at 12:31 am

      Relatedly, Florida’s new online civics training course for K-12 teachers just launched. 3 grand stipend for completion. 5 Hillsdale professors among the lecturers, on top of folks from Claremont and other conservative Christian colleges. You can tell the ideological goals for public ed just by the speakers. Thousands are expected to take it.

      Reply
    68. 68.

      SFAW

      January 18, 2023 at 1:46 am

      @SiubhanDuinne: ​
       

      “The sea, the snotgreen sea, the scrotumtightening sea.”

      Keats? Shakespeare? Bukowski? I can’t place the poem/poetry.

      Reply
    69. 69.

      Rebels Dad

      January 18, 2023 at 2:48 am

      @cope: Congratulations! It’s such a relief, isn’t it?

      Reply
    70. 70.

      rikyrah

      January 18, 2023 at 4:47 am

      @Ohio Mom:

      Poll Tax

       

      POLL TAX

      Reply
    71. 71.

      WaterGirl

      January 18, 2023 at 9:23 am

      @Betty Cracker: Just like Trump and Melania.

      Reply
    72. 72.

      WaterGirl

      January 18, 2023 at 9:27 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wow, that was so bad, I just couldn’t look away.  For real.  Even now I’m tempted to click the link and go back and look at it again.

      Reply
    73. 73.

      Paul in KY

      January 18, 2023 at 11:04 am

      @schrodingers_cat: I have seen women (those who have to dress up pioneerlike and wear a bonnet) wear that colour. Could be a subtle shoutout to religious wackaloons.

      Reply
    74. 74.

      Paul in KY

      January 18, 2023 at 11:16 am

      @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Is that go-go minionwear from one of Austin Power’s nemesises??

      Reply
    75. 75.

      The Truffle

      January 18, 2023 at 3:09 pm

      Where is Florida’s ACLU?

      Honestly, I can see RD running for president. And I can see Former Guy turning on him.

      Purely anecdotal, but I also think a lot of the people moving to Florida are extreme right/MAGA types from New York and other Northeastern states who whine that we’re too “woke.” That and the aging MAGA boomers would explain a lot.

      If so, expect a  lot of families to pull up stakes and leave the state. Why stay somewhere that is hostile to you?

      I actually hope Disney does just that. Just get out.

      Meanwhile, Florida Dems really need some rebuilding/housecleaning if they want to continue.

      Reply

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