Florida Man No More by John Cole| January 29, 20238:12 pm| 148 CommentsThis post is in: John Cole Presents "This Fucking Old House"FacebookTweetEmailMade it to the folks place in South Carolina for a pit stop.
Oh. Rats. I though you were going to say DeSantis had resigned.
YOU’RE SAFE FROM DESANTIS NOW.
Here comesThere goes the sun.
Sounds like you packed a lot in during that vacation. If you are like me you will need another two weeks to recover from the time off and to get back into the swing of things.
No, wait, seriously, a feel-good thread had to get blown up because people were assholes about figure skating?
First thought: Trump arrested?
Second thought: DeathSantis
Finally: John Cole!
@different-church-lady: What happens in a respite thread stays in a respite thread?
There was no respite?
C’mon, give me a hint at least…
@different-church-lady: We weren’t assholes about figure skating.
We said that figure skaters should not be celebrated for their youth because a lot of women’s figure skating is dominated by young teens who are going to be permanently physical injured when they are sixteen or seventeen because their coaches are super unethical, but do go on taking the moral high ground celebrating the abuse of children.
Or you can do like CaseyL did and say that people upset about the child abuse in figure skating are engaging in performative morality.
@PaulWartenberg: Yes, but he’s in South “too small for a republic, but too large for an insane asylum” Carolina. Not clear that there’s much improvement there.
@Starfish: I take it this debate did not unfold as reasonably as you have outlined it here?
I thought the Orange Error kicked the bucket before I clicked the post.
So John…. from our perspective it seems you really liked your southern sojourn. How wedded are you to West ‘By God’ Virginia? Do you think there is a move south in your future?
@different-church-lady: TaMara got mad that we ruined what was supposed to be a cozy thread.
There was something else going on with the person who originally posted a video of a young figure skater and celebrated her youth. I am still not aware of what it was, and she needed more grace and kindness. And I feel genuinely bad about that bit because I did not know what was going on.
The other person who was bothered by child abuse in figure skating is a figure skating fan, and a lot of figure skating fans do not want the sport ruined for girls who hit puberty because some coaches are doing unethical things.
I don’t have a strong stake in figure skating. I just followed romance writer Courtney Milan on Twitter. She is really into figure skating. I was horrified when she was explaining what had happened during the Olympics the other year.
John’s title and message is reminding me of a joke, something about a person moving from state A to state B, and the average IQ of both states goes up.
So tell me: is it really too big to be an insane asylum?! I mean, I feel like we could make it happen.
@schrodingers_cat: I had that brief hope as well.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@dmsilev: Gov Henry McMaster, no? for people who thought Haley was too liberal? Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, that I know.
Scott and Nikki Haley were otherwise engaged when trump came to town. Lindsey was there in full Jan 5, 2021 form.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: No, James Petigru, who was the Attorney General of South Carolina in 1860.
The Up and Up
Stay safe on the way back home. You don’t sing the John Denver Country Roads song when you are heading back do you? Or is that a tune to despise?
@Starfish: I could tell that was going badly when I went off-line, but I didn’t think it was going to go so badly that they’d blow up the whole thread.
Especially ironic on a feel-good thread. Some days it seems the internet is irretrievably broken.
@Starfish: Her father is dying, and she is unable to see him. She can most certainly use some grace and kindness.
But if you missed the recent thread where she talked about it, you wouldn’t know.
@The Up and Up: Despise.
Cheryl from Maryland
@Starfish: I figured skated until I was 60 when my orthopedist told me to stop (unexplained dissolving of my right femoral knob which necessitated a hip replacement). Never jumped, but I could spin and do other simple tricks. My coach before I quit was a lower level ice show skater who had had both hips replaced. So yes, it is brutal. Tara Lipinski had joint replacement in her 30s. And like gymnastics, women undergo more abuse due to the focus on pre-pubescent girls and body issues, but males do not as they get to mature more before moving up to the highest levels (or we just don’t hear about them.). Then there the Russian program of pushing young female teens and then spitting them out Olympics after Olympics.
@WaterGirl: Oh. That is so sad. I am sorry.
Glad you’re with the parental units, tell ’em hi.
This train is running only 2 1/2 hours late, so I may get home tomorrow as planned.
Where’s Mussolini when you need him?
@Suzanne: I feel like it would like Arkham Asylum in the Batman universe; putting all of those crazy people in one place just means that when things inevitably go sideways, there’s a critical mass and a chain reaction of Crazy.
@dmsilev: Sigh. You’re probably right.
@dmsilev: Exactly. Look what has happened now that they can all find each other on social media.
@satby: That’s pretty darn good for a 2-day train ride.
Sister Golden Bear
DAMMNIT COLE FOR GETTING MY HOPES UP!
But congratulations on a successful vacation and a return to the world on this side of the looking glass. BTW, Steve has a “present” awaiting you on your return.
Sister Golden Bear
Also could you pick up some quarterbacks for us San Franciscan on the way home. We seem to be fresh out of them.
So, my ancestors on my maternal grandfather’s side were low-level notable. One of my something-or-other-cousins-some-amount-removed has put together some amazing genealogical research and made a very detailed set of documents going up to the present day. (That’s a big task….lots of marriages, divorces, kids born outside of “holy matrimony”, name changes….all the family dramatics, you know.) Anyway, one of the kind of funny things was learning that our family matriarch at one point suffered from “exhaustion” and was in an asylum for a while. I shared this with Spawn the Elder, who has had three of his own stays in a behavioral health hospital, and he was like, “MY QUEEN”. LMAO. I think it oddly made him feel good to know that he comes from a long line of crazy.
Well, you’re out of Florida but in SC, so I’m not sure how much of an improvement that is. OTOH, at least your parents are there.
Are they all the way moved to SC now, or do they still live in WV and “have a place” in SC?
“Exhaustion” sounds more like a cover story for a stint in a TB sanatorium.
I was busy parts of today. Was around for the beginning of the feel-good post that got pulled but not the middle or disasterous end of it.
I watched that figure skating video, which Alison Rose posted. I must admit, all figure skating looks alike to me but I like Alison Rose and wanted to see what she liked.
So now commentators have chased Alison Rose off the Ukraine threads and now off a feel-good thread?!!!!
She doesn’t deserve that, I hope a front pager reaches out to her. I would miss her if she left permanently.
There isn’t a sport I can think of that doesn’t maim the practitioner’s bodies, except maybe yoga and that’s not a sport. A friend of mine was a professional modern dancer/choreographer and now she has kidney damage from all the Ibuprofen she took over the years.
@Ken: Oh yes. That’s about people from Charlotte moving to its bedroom community of Fort Mill, South Carolina. Just over the state line.
@Ohio Mom: Hold the fuck on. First of all, she is commenting in the current Ukraine thread as we speak. Second, no one chased her off previously. She got pissed off because she felt that people who were objecting to eliminationist language were defending war criminals and child rapists. So she left.
@Ohio Mom: This place is turning into a snake pit and it’s sad. People need to dial back the self-righteousness like a LOT.
Yes, there have always been vitriolic threads. And somehow, they always seem to end with people leaving BJ. Maybe we should do something about that?
@MagdaInBlack: I think we all did.
old people on facebook?
@CaseyL: I think the parental units have a place for the summer, and for the rest of the year they live across the street (or super close nearby).
@Betsy: My old stomping grounds. Lived in the former, worked in the latter.
@Ohio Mom: What went on in women’s gymnastics and is going on in women’s figure skating is worse than what goes on in a lot of other sports because the people in these sports are teens, and the career ending injuries are happening really young.
While poking around for more information on what went on in women’s gymnastics during the Karyoli years, I learned about Elena Mukhina. She became quadrapledgic at age 19-20 doing a gymnastics move that has now been banned from gymnastics because people broke their backbones.
@Omnes Omnibus: I stand corrected. I read Adam’s posts but skip a lot of the comment threads for various reasons. Glad to hear she is back.
table tennis, swimming
@BenCisco 🇺🇸🎖️🖥️♦️: Ah, the old “reverse commute” maneuver. Clever play.
@Ken: Will Rogers, about the Okies moving from Oklahoma to California. The statistical phenomenon of re-binning of data causing the average value of both bins to move in the same direction is sometimes called “the Will Rogers Effect” to this day.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
oh man this game
@WaterGirl: Oh no! People ragged on her? Please send her my sympathies and encourage her to come back! 🙏
I wondered why she wasn’t on the music thread, I am sure she would have had some great comments.
@NotMax: There was more detail in the notes. Definitely the 1880s version of an asylum.
@eclare: She can take care of herself.
@Suzanne: I wish. Then maybe we would not have to count its reliably Republican electoral college votes.
I lived in SC for a while, and it is as complex and interesting on a local level as any other place, but on the state government level, it is getting more and more MAGA.
@Ohio Mom: Exactly. I’m watching the NFL now. I can’t say shit about figure skating, not that opening my mouth would accomplish anything anyway.
@catclub: Yes, table tennis and swimming seem pretty safe.I’m sure there are others.
My kid’s Religious school principal once made an offhand comment how she is always in some pain as a result of injuries from the gymnastics she did in her youth.
She was a cheerful, even-tempered person so hearing that her feet always hurt was unexpected.
@Omnes Omnibus: Good to know she is back. I avoid all UKR posts for that reason, gets too ugly too often, don’t read at all. The Guardian has a daily write up, I read that.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Think we’ll get free football?
Gin & Tonic
@eclare: Just my opinion, but those threads are informative and interesting far more often than they are ugly.
@Ohio Mom: One of my best friends has back damage from playing tennis. She played at UT so she was a serious athlete. All that starting and stopping and changing direction on hard courts has effects.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eclare: kinda feels like it…
@Gin & Tonic: They have been better again lately, I think. Maybe it reached peak ugly and the tide went back out?
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: They won, but Mahomes is going to be hurting tomorrow. I am sure trainers have a bathtub of ice ready for him.
@Starfish: That is absolutely NOT what went on. And do NOT speak for me. But I think that you being OBSESSED with proving yourself right in three separate threads today might explain one of the SEVERAL reasons why I deleted that post.
There will be no bullying in my posts. What the other FPers do, is up to them.
Really i want to see a Photoshop of Mahomes doing the Karate kid crane thingy. Fun game.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@eclare: I’m glad he’ll have a couple weeks to rest
@TaMara: I’ve pied that person, as I do anyone who likes to take a crap in the threads. Thank you for having more intestinal fortitude than I do!
I’ve gotten way less enamored of football as I’ve seen the increasing amount of damage that’s visited on bodies. Viscerally, it still attracts me, but I can’t always sit with the guilt.
And that extends to other sports….
Don’t make John pull this blog over…
@CaseyL: I will never understand people who think that bludgeoning folks over the head with their view of “I’m right and you’re wrong” changes any minds.
I will say this, Starfish was not bullying, and the person who was is the reason I dumped the thread.
@TaMara: As the Hitchhiker’s Guide said, “People are a problem.”
Seeing “Florida” in the title of this post, I figure it wouldn’t be too far out to ask: anybody here ever been to Gulfport, FL? I had never heard of it until a day or two ago, and it looks like a great place to take a break – am trying to persuade a friend of mine to go with me and spend some time there.
@gwangung: I feel the same way. I was surprised to hear the announcers stress how Mahomes just had to play out the game. Lotta barely disguised peer pressure still.
@NotMax: funny, middlee said that too!
@Ohio Mom: My brother blew out his knees swimming. The flip turns.
David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch
Somewhere Vince Lombardi is smiling
@eclare: I think no one ragged on her, but the inability to tolerate different opinions on this blog has become much more pronounced.
And none of us know what everyone else is going through.
Spawn the Youngest has had a sore throat and a cough today. So I have spent much of the day cuddling her up. It’s so nice. It’s sad when they don’t feel well, but the cuddles are the best.
@Betsy: Well, my workplace did an expansion. They were originally in Charlotte, but the new building was in Fort Mill. My commute actually got shorter LOL
Mike in NC
O/T: Wife loves a sappy retread show on PBS about veterinarians in c.1950s Scotland called “All Creatures Great and Small”. Tonight they introduced a character named “Mr. Hardmeat” and that has to be the greatest stage name for a porn star ever!
@nadjasdoll: Agree. All of the praise of Mahomes playing through pain, his mental toughness…that is not necessarily a good thing.
@sab: Wow. He must have pounded those walls.
@Mike in NC: Hahaha…
David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch
2 Black quarterbacks starting the Super Bowl
Welcome to Biden’s America
just popping in to say FUCK YEAH CHIEFS!!!
(also, hey, way to go my second favorite team, the Eagles)
Narrator: this is after Jeffro spent the morning caving/spelunking with Fro Jr’s Scout troop despite being a MASSIVE – did I mention MASSIVE? – lifelong claustrophobe?
I’m spent. I’m done. Go Chiefs! Go Kelces! But more than that…Go Chiefs!
And I’m never going caving again. Box: CHECKED!
@eclare: my cousin’s son who was killed last year at 25 had been a high school football star who was recruited for a college team. He was an organ donor, and after his death his family had his brain sent to wherever the big studies on CTE are being done. He was already in stage 1 CTE, from grammar and high school football. He didn’t play much in college, the symptoms of CTE were already interfering with his activities of daily living.
At some point we should assess as a society whether damaging young athletes permanently for mass entertainment is reasonable.
@nadjasdoll: Yeah, there’s the ambivalence for me, knowing how that punches cultural buttons in me, but at the same time thinking about the future cost (and on the gripping hand knowing that the players know the cost and consciously embrace that price).
@satby: Agree. But I was talking about this with a former coworker who played pee-wee and high school football, and he said being on a team with others and the enforced discipline probably kept him from turning to a very different life. He said he wouldn’t have it any other way.
I know my aunt is thrilled that her grandson wrestles rather than plays football, but he has had some pretty serious injuries, too. Luckily none head-related.
The Up and Up
@David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch:
I received an email about an upcoming event at Leonard Wood. Doing a wikipedia link click around, Georgia Tech Football Coaches, etc., I came across the 1956 Sugar Bowl.
Bobby Grier first black player in the Sugar Bowl for the opposing University of Pittsburgh Panthers.
@Mike in NC: All Creatures Great and Small takes place in Yorkshire, England, beginning in 1937.
Actually, I think that S Carolina is a big improvement over De Santis’ Florida… certainly the Florida that he and his voters are turning the state into. I simply cannot imagine being a public school teacher in that state in the current environment. It’s both evil and tragic
@Jeffro: That’s pretty amazing, signing up to do something that scares you a lot. Good on you for doing it – at least now you know for sure spelunking isn’t for you!
I must ask, though: what made you go?
@TaMara: I didn’t know that: just got tired of what was going on, and eventually checked out. You didn’t ask to be Hall Monitor, and I’m sorry you had to pull the thread.
Butterfly is really hard on the shoulder joints.
Both of the high school butterfliers I know had to have their shoulder joints rebuilt before middle age.
@The Up and Up: My own pastoral music tastes go more with Muhlenberg County (not that I can spell it).
Mai Naem mobile
@Mike in NC: if your wife hasn’t seen the original series, i think she would enjoy it. IMHO the original is better. It was a very popular series in the UK and I have to believe its on several streaming services. Some of the recurring characters are pretty funny. There’s a wealthy woman whose spoilt little dog named Trixie is always having gi issues.
Mike in NC
@Jean: OK, thanks.
Do bath bombs even work in a tubful of ice?
Mr. Bemused Senior
@Mai Naem mobile: I remember the old series, with Robert Hardy (Cornelius Fudge in the Harry Potter films) as Siegfried Farnan. I have to say that in the new series it was a treat to see Diana Rigg as Mrs. Pumphrey.
And I too am a committed fan. What sometimes follows is a reality type veterinarian show from the same locale. Very good, both of them, and, imo, not smarmy at all.
@Mike in NC:
That would be based on the books by James Herriot, who was an actual veterinarian in Yorkshire (north England, but not Scotland). My grandmother adored those books (and the original show), which is how I know them. Incredibly sweet, if sometimes sappy, stories about farmers and their animals.
James E Powell
I’m guessing more pharmacotherapy than cryotherapy.
@Suzanne: Hope the kiddo feels better soon. Sore throats can be the worst.
James E Powell
@Mai Naem mobile:
According to justwatch.com, seven seasons of the original All Creatures Great and Small are streaming on Britbox, available on Amazon Prime.
@James E Powell:
Well then, bombs away!
“Who’s ready for their jazz bath?”
Mike in NC
@dww44: Charleston is quite nice but horrible to drive in. The rest of SC is still trying to figure out if Reconstruction was a good or bad thing. Governor McMaster is a throwback to John C. Calhoun. Nikki Haley was a terrible governor who called labor unions and members of unions cockroaches because they resisted massive tax breaks for the rich, which is the only thing Republicans care about. The state capitol of Columbia is pretty grim, with more cops per capita than any other place we’ve ever seen. Must be close to North Korea in terms of repressiveness.
Do they? If that’s been drilled into them since childhood?
I wouldn’t expect anything different. But it shouldn’t be a choice made by minors. Oddly my foster son said the same thing about the Marines (probably true); and after 5 combat tours he has PTSD and is hearing impaired from his gun. Thing is, that was a more informed outcome because he was an adult when he enlisted.
@James E Powell: Former boss who was a linebacker at UGA said he never would have gotten through a season without ice.
But point taken, I’m sure there will be a lot of that too.
@Mike in NC:
The writers had fun with that episode!
@satby: Oh how awful.
@eclare: He was fully aware of the risks, and is doing quite well, union carpenter now. He decided at about 19 that joining up was his goal, he loved being a Marine, and he was an adult who could understand the (potentially deadly) risks.
Sports aren’t often deadly, but they can have lifelong repercussions that a child or a ambitious parent may not appreciate. I just think more safeguards are reasonable.
@satby: Agree. Especially as we learn more and more.
They probably should have stopped you at the state line.
Get home safe
@eclare: He blames swimming but skiing probably didn’t help either.
OMG, they’re going to steal his kidneys!
@different-church-lady: Hahaha…When the NBA first came back after lockdown in the “bubble”, lots of players took behind the scenes photos and posted them. Many photos of them sitting in big, old-fashioned, metal washtubs filled with ice.
Sippin’ champagne, of course.
Ah, the truth begins to emerge.
@catclub: No love for curling?
@Westyny: Broom burn can take years to fully recover from.
@different-church-lady: My innocence has been been shattered!
So old can remember when teenage girls imitated the Mary Travers look by ironing their hair.
(Yes, aware you were referring to a non-follicular type of curling.)
@NotMax: That kind of curling sounds more dangerous, or so I thought.
Damn European leagues…
@different-church-lady: I saw the headline and thought “TFG is dead?”
Been so chilly I’ve switched from vodka to rye with a dash of bitters. Drop one or two whole black peppercorns into the glass for a smidgen of extra kick.
David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch
@James E Powell:
@NotMax: 🎶Spice up your life 🎶
Sadly, there’s no Spud Spice in the group.
@TaMara: I’m not so sure about this. Some of the biggest and most important changes I’ve had in issues like Feminism, Racism and Trans Rights (moving from being dismissive/hostile to them, to being a strong supporter of them) have happened as a result of witnessing other people strongly and unabashedly fight for what is right. In fact, my turn towards finally listening to Black people about Racism and becoming a committed anti-Racist, began right here when former front-page poster, and friend of Cole’s, Imani Gandy (AngryBlackLady) called out a bunch of racism directed at her by commenters. Racist trolling that eventually drove her away from the site. Had she done it nicely and patiently, I don’t think it would have woken me up quite the way it did. But she laid into them with the righteous fury that is an appropriate response to racism. A few years later a skeptic space called FreeThoughtBlogs that I frequented suffered a giant rift over Transgender issues when Ophelia Benson pulled the now common TERF bullshit of claiming Trans Women Aren’t Women. A bunch of LGBTQ people and allies called her out on it and repeatedly and forcefully shot down endless Transphobic trolling attempts by other commenters. Again, the incredible confidence and righteousness was part of what made me finally realize that my traditional, gender-binary assumed positions were wrong and it was time to start listening to the people who really understand it all and live it, and change my own views to ally with them. So for me, sometimes that sort of unapologetic advocacy is really one of the only things that can move me. The person being argued at probably will not change their stance due to the fragility they feel in the moment (though once they cool down they might), but the people reading along are much more open to persuasion. As awful and immature and tedious as flame wars can be, you can sometimes learn a lot from them. I suspect that the predatory and physically damaging nature of figure skating is something many haven’t thought much about and is usually way more in the back of their minds when they think of the sport, but not that may change as a result of the contentious thread. Sounds like the real problem is that it just happened in the wrong/inappropriate thread.
Posted in wrong thread. Repeating.
Heh. Street scene establishing shot in Germany on the TV screen. One shop’s sign, in fancy script typeface, reads Jerkstrand’s.
@Jeffro: Nothing like waiting until the last 3 seconds to win it. Mahomes was struggling in the last half, he definitely needs the 2 weeks to recover. Who would have thought a game would be won because of a bad hit?
I did not stick around and realize a bad flame war developed, however to me it was obvious that the position that women’s figure skating had a child abuse problem and so did women’s gymnastics is more of an “oh, yeah, that is sort of obvious” information. It has been building up bit by bit for decades now. There is always a new teenaged girl gymnast who is great, that you hear about for about 4 years, then never or maybe in ads. Russia is always doping and never learns, etc. I miss my joy at college football, but my sister tried to tell me a decade before the public news got through to me. Once it did, I could not keep watching. I did not decide not to, I just…was busy and had to do something else until I noticed it had been a couple of years and I didn’t know the players names anymore. If the sports governing bodies don’t act, they will watch the sport die, slowly.
Hey John Cole, you know you have seasonal daylight issues and get depressed every winter. Maybe you should just plan a southern vacation every winter to save your sanity. Florida is a tourist destination and a snowbird home because you aren’t the only one. I think it’s built into people. If you bargain hunt all year you might even find something on the equator or over in the Southern Hemisphere with longer days. Although I was thinking, I am a native Floridian and I don’t know anyone who acts like the cliché of Florida man, never have. Most people act like normal people except we are used to alligators. That’s just landscape.
How many hearts and minds did you change in Fl John?
@UncleEbeneezer: I thought all threads are open threads 😉
@Mai Naem mobile: Tikiwoo was the dog’s name.
@Gvg: I recall hearing that a lot of the “Florida Man” phenomenon just comes from the relatively open treatment of police-blotter information there–that the wild dumb-guy crimes that happen everywhere in the country are easier to report in Florida.
@UncleEbeneezer: I remember, when Larry Kramer and ACT UP were calling Anthony Fauci a Nazi over AIDS, seeing an interview with Kramer in which he said something to the effect of “‘you catch more flies with honey than vinegar’–that’s bullshit.” He was going to hammer on this as hard as he possibly could and be bullying and offensive if it was necessary to draw attention and save lives. Reading it, I thought it was counterproductive and obnoxious. They were attacking the only people who could help them!
Here’s the thing: he was right and I was wrong. Kramer got action. Fauci recognized that in Kramer’s shoes, he’d do the same thing Kramer was doing. He prodded Fauci to come around and become a powerful ally, to change the focus of AIDS research in ways that increased the sense of urgency. And millions of lives were probably saved as a result.
Mr. Bemused Senior
@UncleEbeneezer: to me it seemed pretty tame for a flame war but it was headed that way.
J R in WV
We lived in Fla for a couple of years in the early ’70s, then my ship was transferred to a shipyard in Pascagoula, Mississippi, which really sucked. Jim Crow was illegal, but beloved by all (the white bigots).
Then in the late 70s and 80s my folks tried various places on the west coast of Fla, settled in Osprey, a tiny spot just N of Venice, where the Ringling Bros Barnum and Bailey Circus wintered back then. Long gone now, how times change. But we walked the beaches, and toured the state parks in the area.
Regarding people who try to bully on the blog, I instantly put them in the pie safe, so all I see are cartoon pastries going forward.
Cole, have a nice visit with your folks, be careful driving home across those mountain ranges in VA and Carolina. I guess they are still there?
@Suzanne: Yeah…they used to call it “nervous exhaustion” or “nervous breakdown” or “neurasthenia’ back in the old days..
@Mimi haha: I thought it was Trickiwoo…
@Cameron: Old hippy hangout, south of St Pete. Plenty to see and do there given its proximity to St. Pete, the beaches and Tampa.
@gwangung: They all subconsciously think they duck it. Luck, genetically thick skulls, what ever they have to tell themselves to beat the odds, they do.
@J R in WV: You were going to pie me for a comment I made on a thread about Nazis, where I said a comment was too “inside baseball”, did you?
@evodevo: re TrickiWoo, it was TrickyWoo. Or TrickiWoo. I’ve watched the original series a zillion times. Not sappy IMO.
As for the new series I saw one episode and thought “That cow is fake.” Rules about what you can do to animals in a movie/TV series have changed a lot since the mid 1970s. I think the original series used real animals.
Fun facts I ran across recently: the dogs at Skeldale house actually belonged to Robert Hardy. And James and Ellen had an offscreen affair parallel to the one in script.
@Westyny: actually injuries are possible in curling. In my teens sweeping with brooms (before brushes were a thing) I routinely injured my hand and wrist. Still paying the price on that.
Can’t count the number of people who blew out a knee while delivering a rock.