So according to rumors, Trump is getting nailed with about 30 counts stemming from the criminal conspiracy to cover up hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen MacDougal. And what is cracking me up the most is that he didn’t have to do it. At all.
The people who voted for him watched him shit on a gold star family, spew racist crap from the moment he announced, and all the other vile bullshit he did, and they were fucking A-OK with it. The “christians” who polished his knob for five years, holding prayer vigils, etc., none of those fucking phonies gave two shits about him banging a porn star while married. They’re all fucking stupid and frauds and all they care about is “winning” and being told they are better than everyone else.
Fer fuck’s sake, his scumbag supporters were wearing “Grab Me By the Pussy” shirts at rallies.
They had proud “deplorable” stickers on their pick-em up trucks right next to the Punisher sticker and Confederate Flag. And Karen and Stormy are both white, so the racists didn’t give a fuck.
He literally didn’t have to do it.
Alison Rose
Yes, but see John…you know this because you have a functioning brain.
And thus you see the problem re: TFG.
Also, those women who wore the shirts, like…I’m in no place to looks-shame but JFC really? How anyone could look at that man and see even an iota of attractiveness is beyond me.
Elizabelle
Fuck their feelings.
TFG really brought out the losers.
Van Buren
Well, actually, because he’s a gentleman who wanted to spare Melania’s feelings from those tawdry accusations, he HAD to keep them quiet.
I think I heard that as an explanation somewhere along the line.
Tom Levenson
It wasnât fear if losing supporters that motivated him. He was terrified of the review Stormy could give on his performance.
satby
@Tom Levenson: nailed it! (Unlike tfg, who probably couldn’t nail
anythingÂanybody).BigJimSlade
“whire”
Oh, maybe “white”
kalakal
@Tom Levenson: Yep, according to Daniels it cost him about $10,000 a second. And as for the mushroom analogy…
Elizabelle
@Van Buren: Â Speaking of that, Andy Borowitz, The New Yorker’s satirist:
Mai Naem mobile
I hope tfg takes the whole damn party down with him. The whole bunch of cowards who couldn’t stand up to a corrupt white nationalist bully.
smith
@Alison Rose: The point those women failed to comprehend is that since they would consent to being groped by Trump it would be no big deal. Consensual groping is pretty unremarkable — it’s a common part of foreplay.
The women Trump actually groped didn’t consent. Non-consensual groping is sexual assault.
Dangerman
Reasonable chance that last woman has kids. Maybe even grandkids.
BenCisco đșđžđïžđ„ïžâŠïž
Savoring the wine.
And the whining.
Gvg
Itâs hard to say. Logically, not all supporters have the same tolerance. He would have lost some support and look how close his win was. Of course, the odd thing was he didnât seem to expect to win that first time so maybe there was some other reason. Also, the longer people support a leader, the more their own pride gets involved and the harder they defend him. They are really defending their tribe now more than him.
the ones with that shirt are the ones who like to offend people. Oppositional defiant disorder or something. They arenât the whole voting block. I think our so called extreme progressives have some of that, just not so vulgar at this time. I bet they enjoyed getting photographed.
he barely won and never broke 50% so he was always on shaky ground, always.
Elizabelle
@Mai Naem mobile: Â Me too.
Alison Rose
@smith: Of course. But they also barely believe sexual assault exists.
They’re the kind of women who would immediately jump to the defense of any (white) man accused of assault, because they’re permanently stuck in High School Cool Girlâą mode and want the boys to think they’re fun. Pathetic. And some of them are raising sons who will grow up to assault people because their own damn mothers told them it’s fine to do so.
Elizabelle
That woman in the second photo looks like Lauren Boebert will in a few years.
Same look of reduced intelligence, and delight in being spitefully outrageous.
sdhays
@Gvg: Yeah, this might have interfered with Comeyâs October surprise. A few thousand votes here and there in the upper Midwest and Trump never holds office.
scav
But HOW could those morally superior sexual assault volunteers wear those tee-shirts where innocent children might read them?!!?
Elizabelle
I really hope the 2016 election, and Russian (and any other) interference gets a close look.
We haven’t seen any shoes drop on that, have we? Â Has a less redacted Mueller Report ever been released?
It’s not ancient history, and there was probably some criming.
Jackie
@Tom Levenson: Bahahahaaa!
Nailed it! Iâm pretty positive once Melania had her âđ°ace in the holeâ aka Bannerđ°, she put as many locks on her private bedroom as possible.
Princess
I didnât think of that, John, but youâre absolutely right.
Roger Moore
I think you’re wrong about this, John. It did matter. Yeah, the vast majority of Trump voters knew what they were getting and were fine with it, but there were still people who were holding their noses while they voted for him. Given how razor-thin his victory was, he couldn’t afford to alienate the minority of nose holders, and this was the kind of thing that might well have alienated them. That’s doubly true because the threat was coming right after the Access Hollywood tape, and it might have been enough to turn the media against him. I don’t know for sure it was necessary for him to win, but it’s not implausible to think it was.
JPL
Daily Show tweet said trump finally won a majority of the votes.  My hope is that Willis indicts soon.  At some point McCarthy is gonna look silly attacking every attorney
schrodingers_cat
Hoping this is the first of many indictments. Meanwhile India is continuing its slide into an abyss. The world is not paying attention.
oatler
I’d like to see the NYT publish this one.
Roger Moore
@smith:
More importantly, it wasn’t incidental that it was non-consensual. Trump cares most of all about power, and forcing himself on women is one of the ways he demonstrates his power. He wouldn’t care about sex with some nobody who asked for it. It has to be non-consensual or with someone he can brag about later for it to be a turn-on.
Redshift
@scav: Ooh, ooh, I know! Because they don’t actually care at all about protecting children, they just want to be able to accuse people who oppose them of not caring about kids.
Omnes Omnibus
Is it too soon for me to tell all the cynics that they can kiss my lily-white ass? After all, this could just proof of how much Garland and Smith suck….
EarthWindFire
@Van Buren: Iâve heard that explanation from people who turn around and whine that Bill Clinton was never indicted. (Criminal vs civil law, how does that work?) Funny how they never consider that Bill might not have wanted to embarrass his wife. Tis a mystery I tell you. //
Elizabelle
@Omnes Omnibus: Â Somehow, the Eeyores are not out in force tonight.
Funny, that.
Suzanne
@Tom Levenson:
I havenât been able to play Mario Kart since this all came out.
topclimber
@Tom Levenson: I have never been clear whether he paid not only for the coverup, but also for the sex.
Fundie fems would forgive the former (he wanted to protect poor Melania’s feelings). But paying for it sort of negates the fantasy that women were eager to have him grab them. LOSER!!!
Sister Golden Bear
One nice side-effect of Anger Yam’s indictment is that trans people get a day’s break from Republicans talking about how they want to eradicate us. Though I’m sure they’ll be back to it tomorrow. Because the grand jury was made up of trans people, doncha know.
schrodingers_cat
@Elizabelle: Don’t worry they’ll find something to complain about tomorrow.
kalakal
@Omnes Omnibus: Never too soon.
Now for the chorus of
“I’m not celebrating ’till they find him guilty”
Redshift
I missed the earlier celebration threads, but just wanted to report that since we have no cake in the house and I’m not much of a baker, I am having a spot of gin.
smith
@Roger Moore: Ironic, isn’t it? Trump would most likely turn them down — they’re both too willing and not hot enough.
piratedan
for me…. it’s not that he was banging a porn star while he was on the campaign trail with a wife and youngster at home… It’s a free country and if an agreement is made between two consenting adults… whatevs… it’s the fact that after the fact, when he sought to cover his prodigious arse regarding the affair, that he used campaign dollars to pay her off. Then he lied about paying her off…. and the fact that he was so cash poor that the only “ready cash” he had available was his campaign stash… the crime perfectly encapsulated the entire Trump experience… Trumps personal gratification and desires need to be met, so he commits adultery, with a porn star… defrauding his “moral high ground” supporters. With the added bonus of him being a shitty business man, so he has to steal from his own campaign, violating federal law by implicating his own charity and getting his bagman in the slammer, who he gleefully underbussed to cover his own ass.
Delk
Iâm actually more offended with the fit of the shirt and the horrible lettering job. Congratulations lady, he didnât grab whatever the arrow is pointing to but you certainly grabbed internet âfameâ.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Dan B
@Sister Golden Bear:Â I did not know that but it makes sense because: godless New York City, you know.
Nelle
Not wasting any time..a “Trump indicted” candle…https://www.thatgayguycandlecompany.com/sayitcollection/p/trump-indicted
JPL
@Omnes Omnibus: Now I hope that Fani Willis indicts.  I want McCarthy to be screaming from the rooftops that they are all after trump.  The other reason is I want those that attacked poll workers to spend time in Fulton Cty jails.
JPL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:Â yup
Elizabelle
@Sister Golden Bear: Â Indicted Yam.
Dan B
Unlike NYC the “Chistian / God fearing” state leg of Missouri has defunded all public libraries, budget $0.
zhena gogolia
I can’t believe the one time I had to be away from my computer for 5 hours, it happened then!!!
mali muso
I also missed the celebration threads earlier but have caught up by toasting this beautiful day with a Manhattan. Donât have any bubbly on hand so that seemed an appropriate choice. May this be the first pebble in an oncoming avalanche.
dmsilev
@JPL:
Its ok, heâs very good at looking silly in the name of defending TFG.
Alison Rose
@Suzanne: I laughed so hard I snorted.
Also…remember when he insisted on stage at the debate that he actually has a huge schlong? Thing is…people who do don’t usually feel the need to talk about it.
kalakal
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
My vote goes for a couple of very high powered fans moving at random near where he’s seated. Watching that bizarre growth on his head making a bid for freedom at intervals will help keep the audience hooked
Jim, Foolish Literalist
How’d you get a sneak peak at tomorrow afternoons’ MSNBC scripts?
JaySinWA
@kalakal: I’ll save some enthusiasm for arraignment day when we know how serious the charges are. Today is a good start though.
Then I look forward to the other indictments to come. Baby steps.
kalakal
@JPL:
This. Let there be consequences
sdhays
IIRC, Stormy slept with him with the hope he would put her on Celebrity Apprentice.
Redshift
@topclimber:
As I understand it, he didn’t pay, he got together with her on the promise that he could put her on his TV show (which of course, he didn’t try to do.)
zeecube
@Redshift: bourbon for me. gin for Mrs. ZC.
PsiFighter37
I hope the good people of my city show up and give that fuckwad the Bronx cheer he deserves when he shows up to get booked.
Another Scott
@piratedan: As I understand it, it would have been charged with federal crimes if he had used his own money, because he was running for office and the payment was to keep information out of the public eye that would affect the campaign.
It was a campaign contribution and exceeded the limits, and he didn’t report it.
PublicIntegriity.org:
The election campaign laws are too lax in the USA, but when they are violated they are still felonies.
Corrections welcome.
Cheers,
Scott.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: this failed lawyer, and somehow very successful tweeter person
@sdhays:
If I ever knew that, I’d forgotten. I can’t remember where I (re)learned it just the other day. Apparently, she would not have been the first porn star to meet those “celebrity” qualifications
zhena gogolia
Well, I was out to dinner and had a glass of wine, but I didn’t know about the news so it didn’t count.
YY_Sima Qian
Such welcome new to wake up to this morning! & so many different threads to celebrate in!
The charges does have the feel of nailing Capone tray evasion, but I’ll take it!
Jess
@smith: Remember how astounded Bill O’Reilly (I think it was him, a few years back) was when he finally figured out that consent was the only issue for those lib perverts? That anything was okay as long as everyone was a consenting party?
JaySinWA
@YY_Sima Qian: Hopefully this is the beginning of a long string of legal consequences. I don’t think it will end here.
dmsilev
@YY_Sima Qian: Well, election fraud in Georgia is next on deck, with the classified documents case warming upâŠ
Ksmiami
@Alison Rose: they are pretty ugly themselves soâŠ
Another Scott
Hehe.
(via 7veritas4)
Cheers,
Scott.
Jess
@piratedan: He really does epitomize the “banality of evil,” doesn’t he?
piratedan
@Another Scott: ty for the correction, it still qualifies as the quintessential Trump crime imho as it embodies his own selfishness, hypocrisy, disdain for norms and financial chicanery.
Suzanne
@Alison Rose:
Yes, unfortunately I do.
#SoFuckenGross
#ThrewUpInMyMouth
Suzanne
@dmsilev: Mr. Suzanne is hoping for Indictments Week!
Doug R
Stormy’s got something to say:
https://twitter.com/StormyDaniels/status/1640125981741445120
FelonyGovt
@zhena gogolia: I was watching a baseball game! My daughter came in to tell me.
MisterForkbeard
I’m just gonna note that I’m on a road trip and only just got the news, so… we stopped at a diner and ordered pie.
Banana Cream, yo.
mrmoshpotato
@Elizabelle:
Preach!
Elizabelle
Another nice thing today: Â Damar Hamlin (of the Buffalo Bills; revived on the field this season) visited Joe Biden in the Oval Office today. Â They were both looking sharp.
Tony G
Trump has been cheating and breaking the law all of his adult life. Â It’s just a reflex with him. Â I hope his ass ends up in prison.
mrmoshpotato
Well, we are talking about a shitpile of corrupt white nationalist bullies. Fellow traveler to them.
Tom Q.
@Jess: I think it was Limbaugh, actually. But, yeah, I had the same reaction: he seemed stunned to realize that people thought most any kind of sex that was consensual was okay; like, that was a foreign concept to him.
Hob
@Elizabelle: Well, if you want to see a very non-celebratory and downbeat take on this from someone on our side, mosey over to Emptywheel and read any more of co-host “bmaz”‘s comments on the indictment post. That guy has had a wee bit of an anger management issue for some time, but today he’s going off epically about how this is a total bullshit political indictment and how anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. He may have offered an actual legal argument about this at some point (which I wouldn’t have been able to evaluate anyway) but right now he’s just spewing contempt; has no love for Trump, just hates the commenters more and is 10000% convinced this will go nowhere.
Elizabelle
@Hob: Â Nah. Â Gonna pass on that. Â No harshing my mellow.
Redshift
@YY_Sima Qian:
An important point I always keep in mind is that a prior record is part of the sentencing guidelines (one of the reasons a lot of the J6 assholes got fairly short sentences.) So a “minor” felony conviction could be quite significant if he’s convicted on other charges later.
Also, it’s important not to focus on the tawdry details, which aren’t actually part of the crime being charged. The (expected) indictment is for falsifying business records, and it was done in an effort to influence an election (by preventing voters from finding out about the incident.)
Ihop
I like to believe that the whole reason he lied about the affairs with stormy Daniels and Karen MacDougal was that it would have triggered a clause in his pre-nup with Melania.
Even though he fucking did all of it. Coward.
Anoniminous
This is only the first of his legal problems and I want to see that goddamn toad spend every dime he has on legal fees.
zhena gogolia
@Elizabelle: That’s nice.
David đ âThe Establishmentâđ Koch
mrmoshpotato
@Roger Moore:
You mean the assholes who masturbated to every deplorable thing the orange shitstain said and did? Doubtful.
mrmoshpotato
@oatler:
They’ll just use it as an excuse to scream about Hillary’s emails again.
dmsilev
@Suzanne: Thatâs the replacement for Infrastructure Week, I presume?
topclimber
@Alison Rose: As I recall he said he never got any complaints about size. Like he would ever listen to such a thing.
Suzanne
@dmsilev: Yes, but it would be both:
1) Real, and
2) Much funnier
Chief Oshkosh
@Omnes Omnibus:
@Elizabelle:
I’m not an attorney, so I may have misunderstood, but what does this Manhattan case have to do with Garland and Smith. Isn’t one a state case and the other federal?
Redshift
@Hob: Given that he doesn’t know anything more about the evidence, that’s just another bullshit opinion. Since Bragg is generally considered fairly cautious, it’s entirely possible that he has new evidence that the feds didn’t when Cohen was indicted.
Redshift
@Chief Oshkosh: Correct, it has nothing to do with them, except to people who lump everything into “the rich and powerful get away with anything.”
Another Scott
The circus is just beginning.
Eyes on the prizes.
Cheers,
Scott.
David Anderson
@Hob: yeah, I am really curious as to how he would have led an investigation into all of this. He is very sure that everyone else is fucking things up in obvious to him ways but never quite offers a good way to do things.
Subsole
@Roger Moore: Absolutely NOTHING would have turned the media against Trump.
He was their ticket to punishing that uppity Arkansas hillbilly who overstepped his place all those years ago.
They would have fellated Satan’s thrice-barbed cock on national teevee to kill Hillary’s chances. He could have raped their childre, and the good folks at CNN and the FTFNYT would have offered him seconds.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
No idea if this is true, but I’m gonna choose to believe it
other viewers report he is almost in tears, and begging your brother-in-law and your Aunt Bettie to send trump money to help pay his lawyers
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Another Scott: I’ll be curious to see, when the counts are made public, if Popehat says it’s the RICO
dmsilev
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Just like lupus, itâs never RICO.
frosty
@piratedan:Â â
That’s a nice summary of the whole tawdry mess.
Shalimar
@Tony G: The lifetime of crimes is why i just don’t get why anyone idolizes him. He was admitting in interviews in the late ’70s to paying off mob figures to get his buildings constructed. This pattern of public admissions for hundreds of crimes in books and interviews has continued every single year since then.  He should have spent the last 40 years in prison, and instead this is the first time he has ever been charged with a crime.
CaseyL
There are apparently 34 counts of falsifying business records in the indictment.
It’s doubtful – possible but doubtful – they all relate to Stormy Daniels.
I don’t think it’s the Trump Organization case (inflating and then deflating property values), unless Bragg found some evidence connecting Trump personally to that. I’m thinking not, since the Trump Organization matter is being handled by Trish James, on the state level.
I guess we’ll find out next Tuesday, at the arraignment.
Subsole
@Anoniminous:
I want him to spend the GOP’s dime on it.
All that cash he hoovers up milking the rubes? Less money to the rest of that rotten cesspool of a party
And dare I hope he lashes out at the GOP for failing to protect him?
Dare I hope he goes…the Full Perot???
That…that would be…sooooo nice.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Why aren’t we covering the real and important legal news!
dmsilev
@CaseyL:
Mark your calendars! WaPo:
Trivia Man
And now Ron “whatever nickname he has now” Desantis is pledging he will not cooperate in extradition. Eyeroll
TFG WANTS the spectacle – he will proudly walk in and play the martyr. Gotta get that photo op. (As long as he can have his hair and makeup done first. And no handcuffs.)
Chetan Murthy
@David Anderson: Over at Emptywheel they continue to believe that the clock (as in “# of months between Watergate and Nixon’s resignation”) resets every time any noteworthy event happens in the TFG cases. So the fact that we’re now enter YEAR EIGHT since he started criming in the 2016 election runup, doesn’t count.
I used to read emptywheel. But I gave it up, b/c all I got from them was “oh, Garland knows what he’s doing, just you wait!” and “Wait LONGER!” The expiration of the statute of limitations on TFG’s 2016 election crimes did nothing to change their storyline. Useless.
coin operated
*nods head in complete agreement
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Rachel Maddow already found a unique way to Debbie Downer this–she warned us these proceedings could turn out to be very protracted and boring. Frankly, I hope they do bore her–it would reduce the chances that she’ll spend the first twenty minutes of her Monday night shows on the kind of wild speculation she usually indulges in when a legal proceeding interests her.
Another Scott
@Subsole:
Yup. TFG was their meal ticket, and they all knew it.
VanityFair.com (from May 2021):
TV news is always about eyeballs. Always. Similarly with other news media outlets.
Cheers,
Scott.
Subsole
@Shalimar:
There is a certain kind of mind that finds sleaze incredibly alluring, because it is such a foreign shore to them. Their nice, normal suburban life affords them the comfort to imagine a life more dangerous, and also shields them from enough of the harsh realities of such a life as to make it seem glamorous. Thrilling. Forbidden.
It’s kind of like Walter Mitty, but more low-rent. And lame.
Very, very lame.
Because these assholes are lame, y’see.
Just like the recently-indicted Pol Pork.
Trivia Man
@Ihop: Great point. I wonder if Melania has renegotiated her prenup since then and it is no longer in play. If not, that would be extra spicy to see her leverage Stormy for even more of his hide.
Subsole
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Seen on Twitter:
“I want the taxes of everyone involved in that trial tripled.”
Betsy
@Van Buren: Yeah, because sheâs such a delicate fucking flower.
TFG supporters ⊠the worst judges of character, ever.Â
SuzieC
@Hob: bmaz is the fucking worst. It’s why I no longer read that site.
Subsole
@Another Scott:
Yep.
Wish they had to pay the price for those ratings the rest of us did…
mvr
@Tom Levenson: That review would have lost him supporters if they believed it. So still about the election.
Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride
@Chetan Murthy: Statutes of limitation are tolled (i.e., suspended) during any time when it’s impossible or impracticable to bring charges. As long as Trump was President, it was impossible for DOJ to prosecute, in its view, because of its own memo on the subject (and the lack of any contrary precedent), and just about any judge would probably have found it impracticable to tie up the sitting president in non-stop litigation. So, for statute of limitations purposes, the entire time from the beginning to the end of his term is probably suspended.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@Elizabelle:
Word is that she had to change out of her regular shirt that says “Anyone can grab my â”
Alison Rose
@dmsilev: I appreciate this reference. One of the best TV jokes ever was about the lupus textbook.
Ihop
@sdhays: that’s it, it was just fucking business
Neither procreated or experienced pleasure from the…..
Ick. Oh god…..
Well, she definitely fucking didn’t
Jim, Foolish Literalist
a mystery! an interlude!
mrmoshpotato
@Betsy: What did flowers ever do to deserve comparison to that gold-digging birther bitch?
That Eurotrash is on record saying she doesn’t believe the first non-white US president was born in the US.
Subsole
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
If it turns out his worthless fuckup children sold him out, I will laugh my ribs in half.
OldOHMan
Easter at Mar A Lago is going to have a different family dynamic this year.
Sister Golden Bear
Sees that Anger Yam is facing dozens of charges….
@Alison Rose:
<cues Badger Badger Badger music>
Indict, indict, indict
Indict, indict, indict
Indict, indict, indict
Indict, indict, indict
Mushroom, mushroom
kalakal
@Tom Levenson:
I’ve just remembered the wonderful performance review of Nicholas Soames, a sex pest Tory MP of similar dimensions to Trump. It could easily be TFGs review
“Having sex with him was like having a wardrobe fall on top of you with the key sticking out” …
dmsilev
@Subsole: They are all Fredo. Or, if you prefer a slightly older reference, itâs Gonerils all the way down.
Chetan Murthy
@Dr. Jakyll and Miss Deride: And *yet*, many sources claim that the DOJ has indeed given up on many of those cases. Here’s Lawfare from 1>yr ago: https://www.lawfareblog.com/where-justice-department-trump-obstruction-offenses
Alison Rose
@Sister Golden Bear: LOLOLOLOL
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy:Â â
I don’t think that article says what you think it says.
Mai Naem mobile
Damn, I wanted to schadenfreude watch Fox when this went down. I don’t like to give her any ratings but I may have to DVR the first 15 mins of Maria Bartiromo tomorrow.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: Many sources agree that the DOJ has given up on these cases. And Garland’s silence, *eight years* (and >2yr since Biden took office) argues that, yeah, he ain’t gonna do *shit*.
different-church-lady
Maybe he wasnât trying to hush her up about the affair so much as the⊠quality of the affaring, shall we say?
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: How could they tell if he was drunk?
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: So I guess it was too early to tell the cynics to kiss my lily-white ass. Just as I suspected.
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Itâs all porn. Itâs just that some of it involves sex and some of it doesnât.
JWR
@Another Scott:
Lol! Too bad all the late night comedy shows are gonna be about something else entirely. ;)
Well, not entirely.
Chetan Murthy
@different-church-lady: The “grab ’em by the pussy” tape came out on 7 Oct 2016. Cohen paid off Daniels in Oct 2016. If you remember, even lots of GrOPers were shouting that the tape was damning; if he’d been exposed as having affairs at the same time, it’s possible some of the “hold their noses and vote for the R” voters might have just not bothered to vote. Certainly it’s a plausible explanation for why TFG spent that kind of money. And the timing makes it plausible that the two events were related.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@different-church-lady: duplicious charges, for starters (I have no idea if he’s drunk or just emoting, or both)
dmsilev
@different-church-lady: Sheâs been pretty vocal about the low quality of the affairing, so that ship has well and truly sailed.
Ksmiami
@Chetan Murthy: Garlandâs really really ill suited to the role of AG. Probably Bidenâs biggest hiring error along with retaining Jerome Powell.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: Dude, it’s been EIGHT YEARS. >SIX YEARS since the crimes around the inauguration. And *nothing* has been done to hold him accountable. Garland has had TWO YEARS of unfettered power to investigate and charge.
We all know it takes time. Tell it to the kids who get run into prison on drug charges with comparatively the speed of fucking light. These were crimes committed before the eyes of the entire nation, and he’s getting away with them.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Omnes Omnibus: so you’re not impressed by what “many sources” said in a blog post a year ago? what are you, some kind of Philadelphia lawyer?
good lord
kalakal
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I expect todays indictment has got Graham in a flop sweat about some phone calls he made in Georgia. The good old feeling of impending doom may be be driving the wretch to drink
piratedan
I guess this particular Dildo of Consequences must have been held up in a shipping container in the Port of Los Angeles has finally been delivered to DJ Trump, no word yet on its condition…..
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@kalakal: I’ve often thought Lindsey looks like he… didn’t get a good night’s sleep before his TV appearances
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy:Â I will give your expert opinion due consideration.
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: Omnes, you’re a *lawyer*, and I’m pretty fed up with *lawyers* who can’t seem to do fuck-all about the corruption that is destroying our country, so, y’know, until you all *nut up* and actually do your jobs, I take everything you say about the difficulty of these things with a giant hunk of salt.
Or as McNulty said it: https://youtu.be/nAZZdL1qhk8?t=124
None of you want to actually clean this up.
JoyceH
I think itâs entirely plausible that Daniels going public before the election could very well have cost Trump the election – and they knew it. Consider that we now know that there were dozens if not scores of women whoâd been on the receiving end of Trumpâs boorish assaults. If Daniels had gone public so soon after Access Hollywood, she wouldnât have been the last. It would have snowballed into a tawdry avalanche, and all but the most dedicated MAGAts would have been revolted. A lot of those people would not have voted for him.
Frankensteinbeck
@Redshift:
Ah. Â So he refused to pay the prostitute, which meant he had to pay her more so she wouldnât talk, which he did with other peopleâs money. Â How very Trump.
@Tom Q.:
For people who donât value consent, some other standard must rule what is acceptable. Â I remember thinking how he really gave the game away there. Â Conservatives think consent is just a meaningless buzzword.
Jess
@Tom Q.: Ah yes–it probably was Limbaugh. It seemed like he had only just figured out that “consent” was the key term. Like so many men of his ilk (including TFG), it seems the concept had never crossed his mind in any serious way. It’s like it never occurred to him that people could enjoy sex as mutually respectful equals, with no winners vs. losers dynamic.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@piratedan:
Rumor is that it’s unlubed…
Frankensteinbeck
@Chetan Murthy:
It is much, much easier for the cops and DA to railroad some kid who canât afford a high caliber legal team into jail, yes. Â Itâs disgusting that itâs that way, and that cops deliberately abuse that huge flaw in our system.
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He always looks like heâs on the verge of crying.
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy:Â â
That, of course, is your prerogative. But on a day when Trump is getting indicted for shit he did several years ago, it seems a little foolish. YMMV.
James E Powell
@Ksmiami:
I will say this, you are consistent.
Citizen Alan
@Alison Rose: I was thunderstruck when my RWNJ sister was completely on Kavanaugh’s side over the sexual assault allegations because she has two sons and was irrationally afraid that one of them might someday face false rape accusations. I noted at the time that she had a daughter who was about to enter her Junior year of college who was far, far more likely to be date-raped on campus than for either of her sons to be falsely accused of anything, but it seemed to just go over her head.
Elizabelle
Lindsey Graham is such a drama llama.
Alison Rose
@Chetan Murthy: My friend, perhaps sloweth thy roll a bit.
Jess
@Citizen Alan: I’m sure if that happens to the daughter, it will be because she was asking for it. /s
different-church-lady
So anyway, today was a good day.
different-church-lady
Jeez, Omnes, you didn’t even try! //
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Ksmiami:
Why is keeping Powell an error? I suppose one criticism of him might be not acting soon enough to not have to jack up interest rates so high over a short span, but he wasn’t alone in thinking inflation was “transitory”. Even Yellen and Krugman believed so and later admitted they had been wrong
NotMax
Holy moly, step away from the computer for most of the day only to return and find we’ve reached Lexcon 1.
SFAW
@Chetan Murthy:Â â
You just don’t effing get it. The NY indictment(s), along with the efforts of Fani Willis (and company) show that the “eeyores” (as certain commenters call them) are completely worng about Garland, because if the state/local DAs/AGs can do it, then Garland will do it, any day now, and you just don’t understand how complex things are, and something something reasons something, and every T must be dotted and every I crossed.
Or something like that.
On a more serious note, I remain hopeful that Merrick Garland will actually do something about the role of the elected January 6 co-conspirators (for lack of a better term), but it does try one’s patience, waiting for him to “build his case” or whatever it is he’s doing. [“Hey, SFAW, what about those 37,000 convictions of the foot soldiers? Huh? Huh?” Yeah, whatever.]
Although I am hopeful — for real — that Jack Smith will actually do something tangible about the bigger fish.
Citizen Alan
@Jess: What really chapped me about it is that I literally have been falsely accused of rape! In 1991, I was arrested and detained for about 5 hours because the dumbass sheriff’s deputy was responding to an alleged rape at the hotel which was next door to the hotel I was staying in. Five fucking hours despite the fact that I was attending a high school band director’s convention during my student teaching semester and had my supervising teacher sharing the hotel room with me! I attribute that incident as being the start of my becoming an ultraliberal who believes ACAB.
Subsole
@Mai Naem mobile:
Dan Bongino is weeping.
Weeping.
Like a dainty little faun with a skinned knee.
different-church-lady
@SFAW: This is in no way a defense of Garland, but it’s kinda good this comes from NY state instead of the Feds. It would be completely spun as “BIDEN PROSECUTES POLITICAL OPPONENT”.
SFAW
@Subsole:Â â
Well, snowflakes are melting all over the country, now that Spring has arrived.
different-church-lady
@Subsole: Good god, for a fraction of a second I found myself thinking, “Then Trump’s presidency was worth it!”
different-church-lady
@SFAW:Â â
Pft. Like we had any snow… (east coast)
NotMax
@different-church-lady
Need moar hooch.
;)
SFAW
@different-church-lady:Â â
I don’t disagree that the RWMF’s would/will play it that way. But if Garland were mitigating his efforts because of that likelihood, well ….
Please note the use of the subjunctive rather than the indicative. I hope the Anti-Eeyore Brigade also understands the difference.
different-church-lady
@NotMax:Â â
I’ve got a sort-of gin collins thingy going. I got out of work too late to grab a bottle of bubbly before all the packies closed.
For dinner I’ve got some tater tots smothered in shredded Mexican cheese blend from Trader Joe’s and SHUT UP HATURZ!!!
SFAW
@different-church-lady:Â â
Here in Central MA, I still have a not-insignificant amount in my driveway, from where the plow pushed it. Should be gone by May.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@different-church-lady:
I agree. Not that that stopped Trump from clumsily trying to tie it to Biden recently. When I first read it, I was like, what does a local DA and grand jury have to do with the POTUS? Oh right, the DA’s a Dem, that’s all it takes
SFAW
@different-church-lady:Â â
Friggin’ Bahston.
SFAW
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):Â â
And Bragg has (according to RWMFs) received 37 Gazillion $$$ from {{{George Soros}}}.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@Chetan Murthy:
Who are these many sources?
Subsole
@different-church-lady:
@SFAW:
Folks, there is actual factual video of the Fox Folks getting the news.
I am experiencing a high that drugs cannot even begin to touch.
Decades. Actual decades.
Actually, a quarter of a century.
25 long years these miserable people have been tormenting us. They browbeat us into their little imperial program while we were grieving 9/11 and just kept on going, day after day, for 25 years, without cease or shame or anything remotely human. They sold us out to our enemies while telling us they were the only true patriots. They beat the weak while calling themselves Christian. They called themselves freethinkers while falling for every brain rotted cult huckster on the planet.
Everything they ever called us, they were. And worse.
I am so god damned happy to see them miserable. I hope they cry ’til they puke.
The Moar You Know
Trump finally won a popular vote.
SFAW
@Subsole:Â â
That’s actually pretty Christian of you. Compared to me, that is. I want to see them cry/puke until they croak from dehydration. Or stroke out. Or commit seppuku. [Just kidding about that last one; that would require that they had some semblance of honor.]
NotMax
Well, one thing’s for sure. Tuesday’s election in Wisconsin will receive short shrift, if it is even mentioned at all by the TV talking heads.
“Sorry, Kornacki, we’ve got bigger fish to fry. Hope you brought along a good book for the fifty-nine minutes and thirty seconds each hour we won’t be giving you camera time.”
different-church-lady
@SFAW:Â â
Put it on the penultimate, not on the diphthongic.
SFAW
@The Moar You Know:
I think the meme is actually “Trump finally got a majority of votes”
frosty
@piratedan: I love that “dildo of consequences”. I sent it to a scatological friend of mine (Tucson raised) who said it was “the precursor to the buttplug of justice”
This concludes my contribution to BJ After Dark.â
NotMax
@SFAW
Using Hunter Biden as a courier.
//
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@SFAW:
Oh yeah, how could I forget about those (((Soros bucks)))?
How do I get my hands on those? /s
different-church-lady
@Subsole:Â â
I know it’s only March, but I want this to be Comment of the Year.
SFAW
@NotMax:Â â
Fair enough. Was Hunter carrying it in Loomcoin on his laptop?
Oops, sorry, Loomcoin is the LGM preferred currency.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@The Moar You Know:
Ha! Good one. I hope he has a few more of these popular vote “wins” in the future
SFAW
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):Â â
I’m sure your Obamaphone has Soros’s number pre-programmed in.
frosty
@Alison Rose: Nice response. Mine was FOAD, here’s the pie safe.
Chetan Murthy
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There has been reporting for well over a year, that the SoL for TFG’s 2015 and 2016 crimes has lapsed, and at the same time, *no* action to charge him for those crimes. And it’s been reported all over — you can google “trump federal statute of limitations” and you’ll get a bunch of older articles (along with newer articles about Bragg, state charges, the how the SoL there is tolled).
My point is that Garland is *acting as if* the federal SoL has expired. I mean, sure/sure/sure IT TAKES A CENTURY TO PROSECUTE A PRESIDENT WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND YOU PEASANT?!?1?11? But back on Planet Earth, after TWO YEARS, and supposedly Mueller’s folks leaving behind a massive book of evidence, nothing has happened with these old charges. Instead, supposedly Garland has gone after the new charges Jan6-and-after. And then people (like the ones at emptywheel) can trundle out the “it’s only been two years, it takes TIIIIIME” argument.
But hey, maybe it’ll all get fixed. Maybe they’ll charge TFG for firing Comey, for all the obstruction-of-justice acts he took. Maybe.
I ain’t holdin’ my breath. I lived thru Fitzmas and Mueller time. Enough with the bullshit.
prostratedragon
@SFAW:Â Garland signs off on cases the US Attorneys or Special Counsel hand him. He doesn’t go out and make cases on his own, as I understand it.
Subsole
@SFAW:
I mean, what REALLY burns my ass about it all is they’re sitting here talking all this noise about how this is political overreach and 1984 and tyrants and Obama Jew Muslim Immigrant Transgender arglebarglebullshit, and I’m thinking
“Dude, we’ve seen your texts from the Dominion case. I wonder what you’re texting now?”
Like, these people really are just…not evil, nothing so solid or grandiose.
Wicked. Just wicked people. And they have preyed on so many people who were simply weak. I’ve lost family to these fuckers. I want to watch them squirm.
Edit: I hope Raven doesn’t mind me borrowing his phrase, but “Xin loy, motherfuckers.”
frosty
@different-church-lady: Loaded tater tots! It’s my go to appetizer when out at Happy Hour (Shhh don’t tell my doc who wants me to cut down on the carbs … and probably the drinks too,)
ETA: No snow here on the Mason-Dixon Line. My kid is disappoint, but I didn’t even take the shovel out of the garage. My lower back is happy.
Alison Rose
@Chetan Murthy: Okay, I’m actually curious to know this: What do you think is the reason Garland hasn’t brought charges against him yet? I’m not asking because I’m confused, I just want to hear what you think it is.
NotMax
@piratedan
Thinking of going with something more family friendly and old school inspired: Truth Social and Consequences.
;)
Chetan Murthy
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m talking about *Garland*. *Garland* is the one who took an *oath* to defend our Republic. He’s *responsible* for prosecuting the *traitors* who tried to depose our government. And he’s doing fuck-all.
different-church-lady
@frosty:Â â
They’re not even loaded. They’re just kinda lightly burdened.
NotMax
@SFAW
The select, esoteric and little known Mosescoin.
//
Subsole
@different-church-lady: Shucks *blush
Burnspbesq
@schrodingers_cat:
of course not. The IPL starts tomorrow. For the next two months, Modi can do whatever he damn well pleases, and Vijay S. Public wonât notice a thing.
frosty
@different-church-lady: â Lightly burdened will do too.
OT: I can’t figure out why one reply shows up at Visual and the next as Text. The Text ones have an extra line that I have to go back and delete. I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THIS!! FYWP!!!
ETA: And now the edit is Visual. Arggh!
caring & sensitive
@Chetan Murthy: Let’s not forget that Garland appointed Jack Smith who appears to be proceeding quire expeditiously
Subsole
@frosty:
We need to compile a list.
The Nipple Clamps of Pensive Introspection, perhaps?
The Ballgag of Rectitude?
Omnes Omnibus
@Chetan Murthy: You obviously missed my point. You were complaining about the time it is taking to prosecute Trump and saying it has taken years. And yet the events that led to today’s indictment took place years ago as well. You also are ignoring… Aw fuck it, you don’t care. The line to kiss my ass starts to the left.
Jess
@Citizen Alan: Wow. I’m sorry. That must have been horrifying.
different-church-lady
@frosty: FYWP doesn’t give a shit. FYWP just takes what it wants.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
and in spite of what some people seem deeply invested in believing , it’s not like Smith walked into an empty office with a bunch of blank legal pads and empty file folders
frosty
@Omnes Omnibus:Â I’ll be on the right. Is that the line to shake your hand, I hope?
different-church-lady
@Omnes Omnibus:Â â
USE THE APP AND SKIP THE LINE!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@different-church-lady: okay that was funny
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’m such an office supply geek that sounds like heaven!
Sister Golden Bear
@different-church-lady: You can borrow some snow from the Mammoth Mountain ski resort here in CA. They just broke the record with 72 1/2 feet of snow this winter.
They’re expecting to have skiing at least until July 31st â and that was before the latest storms.
different-church-lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:Â â
Nothing annoys me more than when there’s only one person in front of you to kiss Omnes’ ass, but then you still have to wait forever because everyone else is kissing it through the app.
different-church-lady
@Sister Golden Bear:Â â
It was just two summers ago I was thinking, “Hey, we can ship you some of our water.”
NotMax
@Subsole
The Suppository of Anguish?
The Strap-on of Surrender?
Ithink
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): oMG haven’t seen you around here in forever fellow college-age blog dweller! How have you, the job and life been in general lately (or the last few years, if it’s not much to mention at all)? :D
different-church-lady
Wait… Trump was indicted today. This calls for more gin!
Subsole
@Burnspbesq:
@schrodingers_cat:
The world? Or just America?
I freely admit a lot of India is simply opaque to me. I kind of get Modi. He’s a Putinist, essentially. He is a hyperreactionary who wants to drag the world back into some pre-Enlightenment nightmare made darker by the dim lights of a perverted science (to borrow a phrase). The BJP, from what I gather is…odd. Like, an Indian version of Francoist Spain.
What I don’t get is how it fell apart so quickly.
different-church-lady
Whoa, woah, hold it, this little detail…
Subsole
@different-church-lady:
Honeybadger ran the F away from FYWP.
Because honeybadger ain’t stupid.
@Sister Golden Bear: I’m sorry – is that a typo? Or do you mean 70+2 inches of snow?
Subsole
@NotMax:
The Gimp Mask of Unintended Results
The Codpiece of Mild Despair
Sebastian
NotMax
@Subsole
The Merkin of Malfeasance?
Sebastian
Sebastian
@frosty: I am stealing that.
sab
@Subsole: 695 inches.
frosty
@sab: So … about 692 more than Stormy reported?
Subsole
@NotMax: LOL
Subsole
@sab:
Holy somethingorother…that stuff comes by the foot??
Subsole
@frosty:
Absolutely devastating…
Bruce K in ATH-GR
Welp, woke up to thirty-some-odd indictments and four bigfoots. (Hey, I’m seven hours ahead of New York time and the indictments came in after midnight my time; what can you do?) I may try to take a picture of what the Greek newspapers look like today covering this, though they may be disappointing because the news was probably too late for them to go to press with it.
Brachiator
Yeah, he had to do it, because he wanted to.
The only thing that restrains Trump is possibly fear of being labeled a loser
ETA. I heard a news story about the grand jury not meeting again until April and missed the indictment news and early reactions.
I wonder, will Trumpâs mug shot include some Secret Service agents?
sab
@Subsole: I googled Mammoth Mountain snow and that’s what came up. They were bragging about how much snow. 695 inches is 57 feet, so they must have had more later according to Sister Golden Bear’s numbers.
David đ âThe Establishmentâđ Koch
Time to reactivate Alcatraz.  Will rename it after him – Alcatrash
Kathleen
@Subsole: I agree with you!
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Going by the ranting from the Right on Twitter (“Trump is Tupac now”) I think this might be a big deal with the MAGA hats. Sort of like in their crazy world view Trump is only cool as long as he is getting away with it.
Brachiator
@Enhanced Voting Techniques:
For all their blabbering about being moral Christians, a lot of the MAGA crowd loved Trump because he seemed to be living their fantasy of being so rich and powerful that he could get away with anything, including abusing people.
Anyway
@schrodingers_cat:
Are Indians paying attention?
Bruce K in ATH-GR
@David đ âThe Establishmentâđ Koch: Nah – it’s a New York case, so we’re looking at a literal example of getting sent up the river (the expression came from sending convicts up the Hudson from New York to Sing Sing Prison).
(And yeah, people like Trump don’t generally do hard time, but if he whips up a lynch mob AGAIN in an attempt to intimidate the DA and the court? I suspect that may play a role in sentencing.)
J R in WV
I’m glad you guys are able to celebrate the indictment!
But I’m personally sad because I’m in the hospital waiting for my chest tube to be removed after my surgeon punctured my left lung during a “simple” procedure to install a chemo port, last Tuesday!
Receiving excellent care since the event, but a lot of pain involved in placing the chest tube, painful spasms in my diaphragm, literally stabbed in my chest in the recovery room by a V. attractive surgical resident to install the chest tube.
BUT still happy to see Trump in court soon!
ETA now hoping to see Fani Williams get her indictments of Trump and his scummy minions in GA.
sab
@J R in WV: Been there, done that. Medical procedures really do hurt.
Gin & Tonic
@J R in WV: Had a chest tube taken out a couple of weeks ago. It is surprisingly low on the fun scale. Good luck.
Gvg
@J R in WV: whoa, now that is a downer to hear. Sorry and worried for you. Get better soon.
raven
@J R in WV: Dude, I’m sorry to hear this, hang tough you old salt.
raven
Probably Not The Best Time To Give Up Your AR-15,’ Tucker Carlson Tells Viewers
After a guest on his show warned that Donald Trumpâs indictment marked a âcivil war eraâ in the United States, Fox News host Tucker Carlson remarked that Americans should hold on to their assault rifles.
Carlsonâs guest, right-wing activist Ned Ryun, also warned that America was headed for a âone-party state and authoritarian governmentâ and urged Republicans to take up a policy of âmutually assured destructionâ against Democrats, whom he accused of âlaunching nukes at us.â
âProbably not the best time to give up your AR-15, and I think most people know that,â Carlson commented after Ryunâs spiel.
schrodingers_cat
@Anyway: WTF is that supposed to mean?
Antonius
Kind of like Nixon. He was always going to win in ’72
SFAW
@prostratedragon:Â â
Yes, and …? He runs the DOJ, he might have the power/authority to “suggest” to his US Attorneys that they devote more resources to a particular area, and “move things along.” I am hopeful that his minions are trying to “roll up the entire operation” (as the cop shows say), but the seemingly-endless wait for that to happen can get a little frustrating, although I don’t actually spend many brain cycles on it. [No, I don’t need to read “you just don’t understand THESE THINGS TAKE TIME” again, in case you were so inclined.]
As far as the Special Counsel, you’ll recall that I wrote “Although I am hopeful â for real â that Jack Smith will actually do something tangible about the bigger fish.”
Denali5
@âSubsole,
Ok. Whereâs the video?
schrodingers_cat
@J R in WV: Chemoport? I didn’t know you were sick. Keeping my paws crossed for you and wishing you a speedy recovery
If you need suggestions on recipes that work while getting chemo, you can contact me via my bloggy email.
Odie Hugh Manatee
@J R in WV:
Wow! So a hole in one? Just trying to make you smile a bit… :)
Serious stuff and please take care of yourself!! My best wishes to you for a good outcome.
Anyway
@schrodingers_cat:
Asking if Indian media and public have raised the alarm. I understand your point about the rest of the world paying attention – was curious about how these issues are reported and received in the country.
Guess I was thinking of the protests in Israel.
Chris Johnson
@Omnes Omnibus: No, he really doesn’t care. He’s hammering talking points of some sort like he’s got a paycheck and is paid by the post. Nothing you say matters.
LauraInNC
@topclimber:Â â
I think he was meant to “pay for it” by getting her onto his stupid reality show, but as usual he promised but never paid up.
Comrade Misfit
I see that Miss Lindsey rushed out to polish Trump’s turds.
As for Tuvkyo Rose and his ilk, he should remember that the people on his side are not the only Americans with guns and the ability to use them.