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Never entrust democracy to any process that requires republicans to act in good faith.

These days, even the boring Republicans are nuts.

We’ve had enough carrots to last a lifetime. break out the sticks.

My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.

Some judge needs to shut this circus down soon.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

The worst democrat is better than the best republican.

We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.

Well, whatever it is, it’s better than being a Republican.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

“Everybody’s entitled to be an idiot.”

It looks like winning debates is a black job!

Baby steps, because the Republican Party is full of angry babies.

If a good thing happens for a bad reason, it’s still a good thing.

Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.

Their boy Ron is an empty plastic cup that will never know pudding.

Michigan is a great lesson for Dems everywhere: when you have power…use it!

If marriage is the equivalent of selling yourself into slavery, women with self respect should reject the offer.

Stamping your little feets and demanding that they see how important you are? Not working anymore.

If ‘weird’ was the finish line, they ran through the tape and kept running.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

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It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

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Holy forking shirt balls!  It’s all speculation of course – but informed speculation!  Legal twitter thinks it’s really looking like we will see Jack Smith indict Trump this week.  I’m not entirely sure about that because Jack Smith is still bringing people in to testify in front of the grand juries.

This seems like a big deal to me.  The DOJ’s head of counterintelligence is questioning the person in charge of Trump’s super PAC.  I hope all of Trump’s minions are squirming like the little worms they are.

As I understand it, they don’t have “targets” testify before a grand jury, so Meadows doesn’t appear to be a target of the investigation.  His comment that essentially said “I tell the truth when I am required to by law” leaves me thinking that he was not taking the 5th, and that he was actually testifying.

What say you all?  Has Meadows been cooperating all along?

Update:  This is NOT good news for Donald Trump!

Open thread.

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  4. 4.

    Bill K

    After all this time I’ll believe it when I see it.  It’s like George R.R. Martin’s final Game of Thrones novels – the hope has given way to exhaustion.

  5. 5.

    Frankensteinbeck

    The indictment could be tomorrow.  It could be six months from now.  Probably not more than that, but I mean, who knows?  Smith is still interviewing people and the appointment was made at the request of Trump’s lawyers, who must operate based on what Trump wants, which is based on what Trump knows, which is just the dumbass fantasies and paranoia bouncing around in his head.

  6. 6.

    Scout211

    Many commenter s downstairs are posting about Meadows pleading guilty. I need more info here. Popcorn shelf is bare.

  8. 8.

    Jackie

    If Meadows flipped, will we be seeing TWO INDICTMENTS??? Stealing classified documents AND inciting an insurrection against the USA???

  9. 9.

    Omnes Omnibus

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.  It’s speculation at this point.

  10. 10.

    bbleh

    Has Meadows been cooperating all along?

    Being neither a lawyer nor particularly well informed beyond MSM stories (plus of course the deep insights of Balloon Juice), but noting that Meadows is represented by George Terwilliger, who apparently has a serious Washington rep, my guess would be that Meadows has been playing coy, hinting, saying as little as possible, and letting his lawyer work the best possible deal for him, which might well include immunity, in which case he’s singing because he’s obliged to.  The only question then is, what is he still holding back or shading, and I would guess not much because there are so very VERY many witnesses and sources of information in play, and once one has promised to sing, it’s rather a bad idea to be caught in an omission or lie.

  13. 13.

    UncleEbeneezer

    BREAKING: Jack Smith is prepared to ask a grand jury to CHARGE TRUMP with ESPIONAGE and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE as early as TOMORROW, and MARK MEADOWS HAS FLIPPED and will plead guilty to several lesser charges in exchange for limited immunity.

  21. 21.

    WaterGirl

    @UncleEbeneezer:

    It is understood that prosecutors intend to ask grand jurors to vote on the indictment on Thursday, but that vote could be delayed as much as a week until the next meeting of the grand jury to allow for a complete presentation of evidence, or to allow investigators to gather more evidence for presentation of necessary.

  27. 27.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @bbleh:

    but noting that Meadows is represented by George Terwilliger, who apparently has a serious Washington rep, my guess would be that Meadows has been playing coy, hinting, saying as little as possible, and letting his lawyer work the best possible deal for him, which might well include immunity, in which case he’s singing because he’s obliged to.

    that’s been my hope/hunch for a while, as Meadows was the lapdog that wasn’t barking for quite some time now, that Terwilliger was guiding him through hoops so that he could cooperate reluctantly and get every concession out of the DoJ

    Also, as evidence suggests Meadows is one of the dumbest members of trump’s inner circle, I wonder how much Terwilliger, as an old school Bush Republican, has been manipulating Meadows into being only a semi-witting, partially willing weapon against trump. At least that’s how I’d write it in a novel.

  28. 28.

    bbleh

    In all seriousness, and wishing no ill at all, if this story/rumor about Meadows is true, I hope steps are taken to assure his physical safety.  He’s going to figure prominently in news stories, and I fear MAGAland will not react well.

  30. 30.

    Westyny

    I seem to recall a phrase of Yarrow’s that maybe pertinent here.  What was it again?

  33. 33.

    Tony Jay

    That Trump whine.

    “Waaaah! You’re still investigating me for criming while I’m running for President! You’re not supposed to be able to investigate my criming while I’m campaigning! That’s why I’m campaigning! Waaah!”

    Fuck off, Donny. You can run for President from a jail cell. That’s all you get.

  34. 34.

    Nukular Biskits

    I fully expect to see MS’s GOP delegation to go into full deflect/attack mode over the next couple of days or outright defending Donald Trump.

  35. 35.

    dmsilev

    Legal experts, can we get some opinions on this Post article?

    If Trump documents probe leads to charges, bulk of indictment would be in S. Florida

    Justice Department prosecutors are planning to bring a significant portion of any charges stemming from the possible mishandling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, the home of former president Donald Trump, at a nearby federal court in south Florida, according to people familiar with the matter.

    The legal rationale for such a move is that the bulk of the conduct at issue in the investigation occurred in the southern district of Florida, in and around Trump’s Palm Beach residence and private club, even if much of the investigation — led by special counsel Jack Smith — has been handled by a grand jury in D.C., these people said.

    That approach by prosecutors does not rule out the possibility of some charges, such as perjury or false statements, being filed in Washington in connection with grand jury appearances or law enforcement interviews that took place there, according to these people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the internal discussions.

    Would have obvious implications for things like jury pools.

  36. 36.

    WaterGirl

    Can someone please remove Bill Barr from the Internet?  He is clearly making the rounds for whitewashing his role – again! – and I can’t bear to see his smug face.  Lock him up!

  39. 39.

    M31

    Whomp whomp

    ticktock motherfuckers

    Whomp whomp

    ticktock motherfuckers

    fuck’em

    doot – do – doot doot

  43. 43.

    Jeffro

    please, FSM, pleeeeeeeeease let the whole counterintelligence angle pan out BIGLY!!

    The whole country (well, 73% of it) could unite and purge this orange shitstain and his vile enablers from every aspect of our battered democracy, if not our memories.

  44. 44.

    Princess

    Espionage.

    Fuck Trump, fuck the GOP, and fuck the national media who completely failed to do even minor diligence on him, and delivered him to us.

    Espionage. Wow.

  45. 45.

    The Moar You Know

     DOJ’s head of Counterintelligence is handling questioning of Trump super PAC chief.

    Oh boy.   There’s only one reason that would happen.  How much did Vlad send?

  48. 48.

    Jackie

    Nicole Wallace is great today! Chris Hayes and Lawrence O’Donnell are gonna be Much See TV tonight!

  50. 50.

    Jeffro

    @Geoduck: I just want video of when he tries to beg cut a plea deal with Jack Smith.

    I mean, SB LIV and LVII highlights?  Who needs THOSE anymore?

    Just gimme a few minutes of trumpov semi-hysterically weeping “I’LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING!  PUTIN, the MONEY LAUNDERING, the J6 PLANNING, ALL OF IT!!  JUST. DON’T. SEND ME. TO PRISON!”

    and I’ll put it on a loop for the next five or six years!

    (sorry, career!  sorry, family!) ;)

  51. 51.

    dmsilev

    @WaterGirl: I know. It’s way out of my area of expertise, but since we have some fine law-talking folks here, thought I’d ask for their thoughts.

  55. 55.

    JaySinWA

    @WaterGirl: I think there’s been too much made of the Florida / DC Grand juries. It would seem like the long running DC GJ is not going to fold up and everything go to Florida, OTOH there are a lot of things that happened in FL and may be better filed there, maybe more people and cases than come out of DC, but not necessarily bigger in terms of charges or impact.

  58. 58.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Bill K:

    It’s like George R.R. Martin’s final Game of Thrones novels – the hope has given way to exhaustion.

    The more I’ve read about that man and the ASOAIF series, the less I like about him. I don’t think he has any idea how to get to the ending we saw at the end of season 8 of GOT. Prior to ASOAIF, he really only ever wrote short fiction and Hollywood scripts, aside from his A Thousand Worlds series and another one I can’t remember. I think the guy’s checked out to go back to what he really loved all along, which is producing TV shows. I’m sure it’s much easier for him than trying to finish a giant book series that’s spiraled out of control a while ago. He can do whatever he wants with his life, but I think it’s pretty shitty of him to leave his book fans hanging for literally decades, all the while promising that “Winds is my top priority!”

    He also showed his ass at the 2020 Hugos as the MC, praising the likes of John Campbell and misprouncing the names of several winners who were POC. Keep in mind, thanks to the pandemic, that segment was pre-recorded, meaning he could’ve done multiple takes if he needed to. He (and everyone else involved) apparently didn’t care enough to do that.

  61. 61.

    OzarkHillbilly

    I say, “I’ll believe it when I see it.” but that only applies to WHAT trump is charged with, not whether he is charged. Ever since Jack Smith got appointed I’ve had no doubt trump would be.

  69. 69.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Baud: some demonic orange force has come back to look for its spawn, and didn’t get the change of address?

    Or is The Beast in New Jersey for the summer?

  71. 71.

    Dangerman

    Espionage. Wow.

    I’ve long thought Donnie was selling shit to the Saudi’s for a pile of money and, of course, all sorts of Hummers (I mean the vehicle, dammit). Did people really think that piece of shit would have had something worth untold millions (billions?) and not try to get a taste of that treasure?

    I hope the fucker gets remanded.

  72. 72.

    Frankensteinbeck

    @Jeffro:

    Alas, I don’t think knows how to beg that way.  If he actually sees he’s screwed, his known reactions are:

    Threaten.

    Try to make a deal where he wins and they lose, based on his belief he’s a genius businessman.

    Blame someone else while insisting he is completely innocent.

    Rant in an angry, abusive way.

    Run away.

  73. 73.

    WaterGirl

    @JaySinWA: It might freeze well if I didn’t eat it all first!

    Actually, I have made the cake as cupcakes and then frozen them so I can take them out one at a time and eat them. :-)

    I am also thinking of maybe switching it up – Southern Cobbler with sour cherries (too early for peach season) – which could be a celebration of summer and indictments.

  78. 78.

    Hilbertsubspace

    I genuinely thought Georgia charges would be first.  I am unsurprised, but pleased that appropriate charges are finally coming.

    An acquaintance said that Smith was dissatisfied with the investigation’s progression when he took over, perhaps that was true rather then just wishful thinking/guessing.

    Unrelated:  Can espionage lead to a sentence of death?

  80. 80.

    cain

    @Jackie: What to look for is the press whining that it isn’t as interesting of a horse race.. or..waitminute.. it might be! They’re gonna keep going folks!

  82. 82.

    Baud

    I think the Espionage Act covers more than espionage. Don’t get your hopes up there.

  83. 83.

    Tom Levenson

    I’m no Missourian, but I’m very much a show-me guy on this kind of stuff. I really don’t care what Twitter folks or legal observers outside the Special Counsel’s office have to say.  We will know what we know when we know it and not a moment or fact before.

    /pedanticdowner

  90. 90.

    Ryan

    Donald Trump is going to jail!  That’s what I said about a year ago once the search warrant was served on his resort.

  91. 91.

    Snarki, child of Loki

    Trump should be JAILED before trial, since he’s clearly a flight risk.

     

    Unless Trump wants to escape to Russia, in which case, fine. His pal Vladimir can show him around Moscow’s high-rises to see which one Trump wants to stay in, and find out if Trump *really* is a “flight risk”.

  92. 92.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Princess:

    Espionage. Wow.

    IANAL but my understanding is that a violation of the Espionage Act does not necessarily fit with the classic/popular understanding of espionage/spying, it relates more to mishandling of classified documents or a violation of the Presidential Records Act

    @Hilbertsubspace: I’m extremely skeptical that anyone who actually knows about Jack Smith’s thinking is sharing his opinions

  94. 94.

    MattF

    It’s quite a joke that TFG is now yelling about ‘fascists’ coming after him. Except that it’s also moronic and bizarre. So, some court will conclude that he’s non compos. And, truth to tell, he is.

  97. 97.

    MomSense

    All the knitters at craft night are click clacking with excitement over indictments!

  98. 98.

    JaySinWA

    @Jackie: We once had election cake. Indictment cake should be a thing

    Although it would be rarer and less predictable. Needs to be either quick to make or have a long shelf life. Maybe a Twinkie cake?

    With any luck there will be a cake with conviction as well, unlike the impeachment cakes of yore.

  100. 100.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Baud:

    I have it on good authority that you’re going to be indicted tomorrow, Baud. The indictments have been under seal. It’s not looking good for ya pal. I think your best shot to avoid prison is to flee to Mongolia

  102. 102.

    Philbert

    @MattF: Exactly. The day Trump is scheduled to appear this time for sure, starts the wheels that he is incompetent.

  103. 103.

    Major Major Major Major

    Ugh, this is going to be a disaster. I can already play out every pundit’s commentary for the next two years in my head. There’s probably going to be delay after delay and motion after motion before an eventual mistrial. Not that I’m saying they shouldn’t indict, but… blech.

  105. 105.

    Jackie

    What would otherwise be Headline News:

    Kevin’s House of Disarray

    “A conservative rebellion has the Republican-led House of Representatives completely paralyzed for a second day in a row as the leadership remains unable to bring anything to the floor,” Punchbowl News reports.”

    “This is the most serious challenge to Speaker Kevin McCarthy since January’s grueling floor drama to win the gavel. And how the standoff is decided will have a big impact on McCarthy’s relationship with his right flank – and his leadership of the House.”

    “Let’s be clear about this: If the leadership can’t even bring up bills on the House floor – like right now – it’s a crisis for McCarthy, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and House Majority Whip Tom Emmer.”

    “McCarthy and his leadership team are engaged in a furious round of finger pointing.”

    Also gift WaPo for their perspective:

    https://wapo.st/3Nfh2cn

  107. 107.

    karen marie

    @JaySinWA:   I was reading earlier on Mastodon that the PGA/LIV merger is not a done deal.  Apparently there’s a board comprised of top players that has to vote on it.  The deal could yet be scuttled.

  109. 109.

    JPL

    @Jackie: I’m okay with that, are you?

    lol So the grand imps are spending the night tomorrow, so I’m okay chilling the champagne until Friday night.   Just sayin

    Could it be? Yes, it could
    Something’s coming, something good if I can wait
    Something’s coming, I don’t know what it is
    But it is gonna be great

  113. 113.

    OGLiberal

    @Baud: Jack Smith is also holding sealed indictments of Hillary Clinton, George Soros, the Podesta brothers, and Colin Kaepernick.

    The storm is coming…release the Kraken!

  114. 114.

    Jackie

    @JPL: Oh, hell yeah! Jake Sherman (Politico) was reporting about this on MSNBC and a small chortle escaped him. Very unprofessional!😂

    Any time Kevin isn’t happy means happiness for me!

  116. 116.

    JaySinWA

    @Jackie: I don’t understand why McCarthy brought this back a second time. He’d have been in a much stronger position if he said fine, this was a stupid performative package anyway. Of course that wouldn’t portray the rest of the caucus that voted for it in a good light.

    I wonder if someone played Lucy with the football just to further humiliate him.

  117. 117.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Tom Levenson: I’ll one up (one down?) you: if trump is indicted tomorrow, all he needs is one juror. That hipster dingbat from Georgia did not give me warm optimistic fuzzies about the jury pool, and if the (hypothetical) trials are moved to Florida… Oy

  119. 119.

    Suzanne

    Imma be in Philly next week. Will have one work dinner, but could meet up, if anyone else is down.

  123. 123.

    WaterGirl

    @Jackie: Like they actually have any meaningful goals for legislation that would even have a chance to pass the Senate.

    Once again, the media is treating them as if they are an actual political party the wants to do meaningful things.

  124. 124.

    Delk

    Mark Meadows

    Snap into position
    Bounce til you ache
    Step out of line
    And you end up in jail

    Edited for formatting

  125. 125.

    UncleEbeneezer

    BREAKING on @MSNBC

    : Steve Bannon was sent a grand jury subpoena in connection with the Jan. 6 investigation. The subpoena was sent out in late May and came from the grand jury in Washington D.C. Prosecutors are seeking testimony and documents.

  127. 127.

    Mike in NC

    Espionage Act violations? Another first for Trump! So much winning we’re sick of it.

  133. 133.

    japa21

    Generally, agree with Omnes on this, I’ll wait to see just what happens. Timing is not crucial to me, but if I see that Meadows does plead guilty to minor charges then I will feel very optimistic. One has to wonder what charges they could have brought against him that would be so bad that the minor charges are okay. And not only that the charges would be pretty major, but his lawyer would have to believe that there is a decent chance of conviction.
    And those charges would almost definitely also apply to Trump.

  135. 135.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @japa21: ​
    Thinking that the DOJ is being thorough and will eventually bring some charges is where I have always been on this. Charging in the next day or so would be great, but I am not counting on it. At the same time, I am not saying it won’t happen.

    ETA:  Everyone needs to take a few deep breaths.

  137. 137.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Suzanne: (Waves hand) I’d be up for a Philly meeting.

    BTW we’re starting to get socked with the Canada smoke. The city of Philly has been under air warnings all day but things weren’t too bad here in the burbs. Now the sun is a weak orange and there is a definite haze in the air at ground level.

  138. 138.

    karen marie

    @JaySinWA:   I don’t know but it sounds like a pressure campaign that the people being pressured might not like, especially as they were not given any advance notice of the proposed deal that’s being presented to the world as a done deal.

  141. 141.

    Burnspbesq

    @dmsilev:

    I’m hearing that Florida-not-DC thing in a number of places, but I’m not fully convinced. Trump’s authority to possess classified documents ran out at noon on 1/20/21, and at that time both he and the documents were in D.C. The offense of illegal retention was complete at that time, so venue should be proper in D.C.

    There are likely persons other than Trump who committed acts that constitute obstruction, or participated in a conspiracy to obstruct, in the Southern District of Florida.

  142. 142.

    Kirk

    I will cheer, a bit, if he is indicted.

    I will withhold my celebrations, however, till I see if he is convicted.

    Please, all gods and goddesses, let me have this party.

  145. 145.

    different-church-lady

    We’re all supposed to be cowering in fear right now, because this just makes him stronger. Right?

    [stares into space]

    [sips coffee]

  146. 146.

    different-church-lady

    @DaBunny42: ​
      I can’t really say I have hopes to heighten anymore. I’m just rely on the occasional pleasant surprise to get me by.

  147. 147.

    hueyplong

    @Burnspbesq: I don’t know much about criminal procedure.  Is it like civil procedure, where you can move to change venue to another place (SDFla) where venue is equally applicable but you can make a case for it to be preferable there?

    And if so, win or lose on that motion, are you cool with the delay inherent in such a thing?  Because most people aren’t.

  148. 148.

    different-church-lady

    Am I crazy or did there used to be a “request deletion” button somewhere?

  149. 149.

    Nukular Biskits

    @WaterGirl:

    Oh. MS = Mississippi

    Both my US Senators voted to acquit Trump during both impeachment trials and, along with the rightwing US Rep I now have, were very, very concerned about the “unprecedented raid” on Mar a Lago.

  154. 154.

    different-church-lady

    @Burnspbesq: ​
      Completely confused by what you’re saying. He most certainly obstructed justice when he hid documents and/or instructed aides to hide documents, and rejected numerous requests to return those documents. All of that took place in Florida.

  155. 155.

    different-church-lady

    I just thought of something hysterical:
    * Trump is found guilty over the documents thing.
    * He gets a slap-on-the-wrist probation.
    * He immediately violates his probation and goes to jail.

  157. 157.

    Manyakitty

    @WaterGirl: ugh, seriously. He can take several seats, preferably somewhere in the darkest part of whatever passes for hell.

  158. 158.

    scav

    @different-church-lady: That’s technically a different crime if I understand it.  The illegal possession of them was in DC, certainly aspects of the obstruction were in FL (maybe a few other states?  hence some of the interest in the NJ evidence).  So a bit of the inevitable hairball.

  165. 165.

    JPL

    @WaterGirl: unfortunately you get to look at a brick screen but he has an amazing voice.

    on bing I just click back to the beginning and it brings it up.

  166. 166.

    Dan B

    @karen marie:  That would be nice.  PGA has been LGBTQ friendly. lIV has been hostile.  But there have been top players who are also very hostile.

  167. 167.

    Shalimar

    @Snarki, child of Loki: Flight risk to where?  The guy with 24/7 secret service protection who famously wouldn’t spend a night during the 2016 campaign anywhere but one of his own properties?  I think they might find him if he runs.

  168. 168.

    Citizen Alan

    @Frankensteinbeck: Perhaps because in a jury  setting, most Trump voters are forced by the situation to consider the evidence against the SOB dispassionately and can fall back into a Twitter/Facebook driven fantasy about a “deep state conspiracy.” While I believe most Trump voters are, by definition, mentally ill, perhaps not that many of them are so depraved that they literally don’t care if Trump did the crime so long as they can stick it to the libs.

  169. 169.

    WaterGirl

    @JPL: Thanks for the link. I listened but I stilll prefer the original

    edit: Now I’m gonna go back and listen to the original.  I got a phone call just as I put it up and couldn’t listen.

  170. 170.

    Steve in the ATL

    @Citizen Alan:

    perhaps not that many of them are so depraved that they literally don’t care if Trump did the crime so long as they can stick it to the libs

    Steve in the ATL dissents.

  171. 171.

    UncleEbeneezer

    @WaterGirl: Because this is the first confirmation of Smith subpoena to Bannon.  We knew Congress had done so but not SC Smith.

  173. 173.

    Ken

    @OGLiberal: Jack Smith is also holding sealed indictments of Hillary Clinton, George Soros, the Podesta brothers, and Colin Kaepernick.

    My god, it all fits together.  Q was right, and Jack “Smith” must really be… John Kennedy Junior!

  178. 178.

    different-church-lady

    @JPL: “I sentence you to house arrest, in the same closet where you hid the documents.”​

  181. 181.

    cmorenc

    If the Trump criminal case gets filed in south Florida, will it be in the same federal district where judge Aileen Cannon might possibly get assigned to it?  If so, she could throw lots of sand in the prosecutorial gears.  Recall that it was she who tried to hamstring the DOJ / Fed investigation of the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.  She is the poster example of a judge who is a complete political hack.

  182. 182.

    PaulWartenberg

    Anybody remember the days of waiting on Fitzgerald to report on the Plame leaks? Ahhh, good ole Fitzmas. It’s a damn shame he never filed charges on Rove and Cheney as he should have (there was solid evidence Rove lied to investigators, and he should have been charged on that).

    Anyway, today’s news reports have a similar vibe, it’s got me singing “it’s beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas” all over again… sigh

    https://noticeatrend.blogspot.com/2023/06/this-may-be-for-trump-but-its-feeling.html

  183. 183.

    Jackie

    @Scout211: I saw that ad today and had to back it up and watch again – to see if I really saw what I thought I saw. NOBODY but TFG’s MAGA Deplorables is going to be influenced by watching that tripe. It’s right up there with Godzilla or Invasion of the Giant Ants. Hopefully whoever funded that spends more money making more of the same lol

  185. 185.

    Jackie

    @cmorenc: I don’t recall what lawyer said on MSNBC today that Cannon hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell. She burned her reputation badly – not once, but twice re trying to help TFG.

  186. 186.

    Maxim

    Parts of that ad have been used before — namely, the wolves. Does anyone remember who used them originally?

  189. 189.

    Jeffro

    @Scout211: O to the MG

    Did I catch a glimpse of Michael Moore there?  Jerry Nadler?  Surely top-tier “wolves” right there, yes sir!  LOL

    too much inside baseball, 4/10, would not recommend

  191. 191.

    RaflW

    @Jackie: Obviously if the paralysis lasts too long, it won’t be good for the country.

    But I’m loving that Biden got 95% of what he wanted from the debt deal, the GOP knows their shitty negotiators barely got anything, and they’re having a very public melt down of the sort the Beltway press relishes.

    For a man of 117 who no longer owns pants*, ol’ Joe’s doing perty danged good there.

    *No facts were involved in making this snarky statement.

  192. 192.

    Groucho48

    @JaySinWA:
    Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
    Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
    To the last syllable of recorded time;

  193. 193.

    TerryC

    @JaySinWA: Just another death blow to traditional golf. In ten years far more people around the world will be playing disc golf anyway, this will just speed it up.

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