So this fellow, whom I had never heard of before today, has signed a limited cooperation agreement with the DOJ.
He’s pleading guilty to being on the grounds of the capital when he shouldn’t have been, and he has agreed to give the DOJ access to ALL HIS SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.
Why do we care?
- He’s the “right-hand guy to Alex fucking Jones.
- He’s a member of the Friends of Stone messaging group.
- He was at The Willard on Jan 5.
They are closing in, or so it seems to me.
NEW: Owen Shroyer – right hand man to Alex Jones and member of the “Friends of Stone” messaging group – IS COOPERATING WITH DOJ. He was at the Willard 1/5. https://t.co/BfgtCymKbN
— Mueller, She Wrote (@MuellerSheWrote) June 23, 2023
Tick, tock, smarmy motherfuckers!
Open thread.
WaterGirl
I have a question for Immanetize at our “legal stuff” *zoom tonight.
Apparently the former guy “can’t get a bond” for the 5.5 million that he owes
Stormy DanielsE. Jean Carroll, so it looks like he is having to put cold hard cash in escrow (so to speak) as they appeal the Stormy Daniels win. Does that mean what I think it does?*zoom at 7pm ET tonight, email me for the zoom link
WereBear
It’s turning out Alex Jones might need a canteen fund, and there won’t be anyone left to keep it stocked.
Burnspbesq
@WaterGirl:
Daniels or Carroll?
Spanky
Does Stormy Daniels’ settlement include her legal expenses? And would that mean the more tfg delays, the more he has to pay
Eta, or Carroll?
SpaceUnit
Gonna be like that Oprah show where they gave away cars except instead of cars it will be seditious conspiracy indictments.
Scout211
And there’s this:
Special counsel trades immunity for fake elector testimony as Jan 6 probe heats up
WaterGirl
@Burnspbesq: @Spanky:
Oh, you’re right, it’s Carroll! So many lawsuits, so many women…
eclare
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Elizabelle
Thank you for the reminder about the zoom tonight. I’ll send you an email now.
JoyceH
They’re getting testimony on the Willard??? YAAAAY! An answer to a prayer!
mrmoshpotato
Cave in their fucking fascist faces, Lady Justice!
mrmoshpotato
Who’s ready for hilarious British baseball commentary tomorrow and Sunday? Go Cubs!
sab
@WaterGirl: Not so many women. He raped many. She was the only one with the guts to take him on.
RevRick
Meanwhile, what’s going on in Russia with the Wagner Group?
Jay
Forgiven PPP loans
OceanGate, owner of the Titan: $450,000
Marjorie Taylor Greene: $183,504
Catholic Church: $3.5 billion
Joel Osteen: $4 million
Tom Brady: $960,855
Kanye: $2-5 million
And Republicans are mad about American students catching a hard-won break
Go figure. – Lindy Li tweet
hueyplong
@RevRick: Might be fun to hear what certain GOP Congresspersons have to say about Russia/Wagner once they get their talking points.
Jay
@RevRick:
Adam will cover it.
Burnspbesq
@RevRick:
A pie fight, with high-explosive and incendiary pies.
Prigozhin claims the Russian military attacked Wagner facilities, causing significant casualties. He wants to take it out of somebody’s hide; Shoigu looks like the preferred candidate. I read Prigozhin as entirely willing to go after Putin if he thinks he can get him and take advantage of any power vacuum that would result. Adam can probably provide better-informed commentary.
SpaceUnit
Completely OT but NPR has an article today about the first and only nuclear powered cruise ship, built in 1959. Check out the crazy retro furnishings.
NS Savannah
CaseyL
@SpaceUnit: Omigosh, the little nuclear logos on everything everywhere!
I thought I’d like the retro look more, but those furnishings look uniquely uncomfortable. And, um, cheap (maybe they were, since it was a “concept” ship, not meant for regular commercial use).
oldgold
Reports of possible mutiny under way in Russia.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of-attack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped
Prigozhin says that the council of Wagner commanders have decided to deal with the military leadership of Russia adding that he will destroy everyone who appears n his way. “I ask everyone to stay calm at home, do not go outside.” twitter.com/PjotrSauer/sta…
David Nelson
@redondodave1
(https://twitter.com/redondodave1)·
56m
(https://twitter.com/redondodave1/status/1672356401187008513)BBC Russia reporting that the FSB and SOBR – National Guard spetsnaz – are setting up roadblocks around Moscow.
Security forces in Moscow put on “high alert”, and the “fortress plan”
to protect government buildings in the city has been activated. Alarm is spreading in the city.
Juju
Holy mother ducking shirt balls!!
Jess
Selfish, power-hungry, vicious pricks band together to ratfuck democracy, and then *surprise!* turn on one another to save their own hides. While goodness builds on itself, evil implodes in a self-cannibalistic frenzy.
SpaceUnit
@CaseyL:
I think it’s groovy.
Of course nothing says ahoy matey like having a core meltdown in the middle of the Atlantic.
Tony Jay
Ha! Excellent.
Ha Haaaa! That’s interesting. Didn’t know he had actual friends.
Ha frigging Haaaaaa!!! Gotcha! Please have taken extensive notes on your criminal conspiracy.
Mallard Filmore
@oldgold:
I hope prigozhin gets that far.
Steeplejack
“Smithers, release the hounds!”
Tony Jay
@oldgold:
If there’s one constant throughout history, it’s this – if you rely on mercenaries, or on military forces that are only loyal to those who pay them, then do not stiff them, or they will stiff you.
Okay, not the only constant, but an important one.
UncleEbeneezer
This is one of the reasons I never felt that the claims that DOJ wasn’t going after the top people, was fair. The fact that DOJ had already made the connection between Roger Stone & the Oathkeepers and Proudboys in March of 2021, and had already arrested Owen Shroyer’s phone (side-kick of Alex Jones) by November of 2021 and got his phone in the process, always made it look pretty clear that they were investigating in the right direction to get to Jones, Stone, Meadows and ultimately Trump.
Omnes Omnibus
@Tony Jay:
Some Italian named Nick even wrote about it.
catclub
@oldgold: wow, saw this just at CNN:
Surovikin is seen saying in a video posted to Telegram by a Russian state media reporter.
Omnes Omnibus
@UncleEbeneezer: It’s been suggested that it isn’t polite to bring up that kind of thing.
UncleEbeneezer
@Tony Jay: Friends Of Stone was the chat used by several Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, Roger Stone etc., during 1/6 planning:
Tony Jay
@Omnes Omnibus:
And if you’re going to listen to anyone on this topic, it’s Nick MacIvelly. Knows his stuff that fella.
Hellschef
We wish you all best For the entire Ballon community!
catclub
also thisat CNN:
I so wish that Ukraine had made the attacks but Wagner took it as from Russia.
Does PMC stand for Parallel Military Command? Why have one chain of command when you can have two?
zhena gogolia
Can’t deal with Russia. don’t understand anything.
Randy Rainbow, meanwhile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zDXVw0aatQ
Alison Rose
@Tony Jay:
I suspect the word has a far different definition in this connotation than you or I would use in our own lives.
piratedan
@UncleEbeneezer: if the revelations from the Willard are what some have speculated, my understanding of what took place was the equivalent of a “go/no go” meeting for the coup.
If that representation is accurate, then there should be some tell-tale threads informing the RW militia groups of their directives and coordination between the WH and certain members of Congress in order to delay the vote certification. Also under speculation is that certain members of law enforcement were given suggestions for how much staffing would be needed, although my assumption would be for that to have been “handled” prior to the meeting at the Willard.
Tony Jay
@UncleEbeneezer:
They had a chat group.
They named it after the rattiest of ratfuckers.
And now all of those messages are going to end up in the hands of the DOJ?
Oh Great Unlubed Dildo of Consequences, a disbelieving nation turns its eyes to thee.
Betsy
Yikes! I almost missed the zoom. Emailed you at 6:59 asking for link!!! Thanks, and sorry!!
Scamp Dog
@catclub: Private Military Contractor (or company)
Tony Jay
@Alison Rose:
Like “Say hello to my little friend”?
They are all a bunch of dangerous tools in the wrong hands.
frosty
@SpaceUnit: Nice! But I’m going to say with 60 passengers and a bunch of cranes on deck, it’s not a cruise ship, it’s a freighter that carried some passengers.
I hope they can get some funding to keep it as a museum piece and not scrap it. It’s one of a kind.
Geminid
@RevRick: Noel Reports is giving updates in his Twitter feed. So are other commentators like Aric Toler of Bellincat.
Laura Rozen (@lrozen) is also linking to lot of good reporting on Prigozhin’s mutiny. Rozen is a good source for international and security reporting generally. I found her through Cheryl Rofer.
Jay
@catclub:
Para Military Corporation.
Everything they do, from Blackwater to Wagner, is for profit.
Baud
Since all the smart and interesting people are on the Zoom, what should we do?
mrmoshpotato
@Steeplejack:
These fuckers definitely don’t deserve the robotic Richard Simmons.
frosty
@Baud: Annoy each other by being uselessly pedantic of course! We’re jackals! We can figure it out!!!
ETA I’m really tired of sometimes having my comments be text and sometimes visual. Help me Obi-Wan-WG you’re my only hope!
SpaceUnit
@frosty:
I hope so too. I want to take a tour.
Brachiator
@Jay:
I know quite a few people who truly believe that a tax break given to a business is fair, right and proper, but a tax break given to an individual is a wasteful and unnecessary giveaway to the undeserving.
HOWEVER, I also know people who think that ANY substantial loan that you cannot repay should be forgiven. Loans should really be an extended potential gift and all lenders are deep pockets who won’t miss the money they have lent.
And there are a small subset of people who believe that if you cannot immediately pay in full for everything, you are a moral failure.
People are often strange about money.
UncleEbeneezer
@Tony Jay: DOJ has had them for a while:
BeautifulPlumage
@Baud: make more popcorn and watch the civil war starting in Russia. What a Friday!
NotMax
@Baud
Zoom showing on one monitor, this thread on the other.
;)
Uncle Cosmo
Just FTR –
(source)
(Thresher and Scorpion were lost due to diving lost due to electrical and mechanical failures that led to uncontrollable flooding, not “core meltdown”.)
Also FTR, the NS Savannah was a demonstration nuclear merchant ship, not a “cruise ship.” You could look it up.
UncleEbeneezer
@piratedan: That’s what I think too. The Willard may very well be the key (evidence wise) for tying the leaders to Stone and Trump. That DOJ has been working on securing that info from the very beginning, to me, shows that there was never any hesitation about going after Trump. You didn’t have to be an Intel expert to know that Stone->Trump.
Baud
@BeautifulPlumage:
Some wingnut will complain that we’re not having a civil war here.
Probably Boebart.
Tony Jay
@UncleEbeneezer:
Ahhhh, so the dirt in them was what got him to flip, maybe.
I learn things here. It is pleasing to me.
BeautifulPlumage
@Baud: damn, now we have a civil war gap
SpaceUnit
@Uncle Cosmo:
Good point about the Naval ships. As for calling it a cruise ship I was just quoting the NPR article.
I don’t know anything about ships. I just thought it was cool.
Kyle Rayner
Okay, I’m familiar with Machiavelli’s warnings about relying on mercenaries, as well as what should be the good common sense that a sovereign state shouldn’t sell out its monopoly on sanctioned violence. But all the same, all this mutiny stuff isn’t just a really good excuse for the Russian army and Wagner to both abruptly pull out of Ukraine while Russia engages in nuclear terrorism, right? Bc Adam’s report on ZPP’s dangerous state of affairs was still the freshest thing in my mind before the new developments.
Mallard Filmore
@catclub: DailyKos has a posting that will add to the confusion. Rumors from many sources, some trusted, others not.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/6/23/2177222/-Coup-in-Russia
Omnes Omnibus
@Kyle Rayner: No one can answer questions like that right now.
Brachiator
@Tony Jay:
If Donald the Orange Beast understood this and was not a cheap dope unwilling to pay people for their services, many of us would now be living in the Fractured States of Trumpistan.
Dorothy A. Winsor
@Jess: I genuinely am not sure whether you’re talking about the R party or Russian mercenaries
Geminid
@RevRick:
@Geminid: Financial Times reporter Max Seddon (@maxseddon) is also reporting on current developments in Russia.
Uncle Cosmo
@Jay:
FWIW, пaрá (technically, порá, but the unstressed “o” is pronounced as an “a”) is the first word Sean Connery’s Captain Ramius says in The Hunt for Red October, meaning “it’s time.” So, “It’s Time Military Corp.”
Yeah, it’s about time, you murderous scumbags. How à propos.
mrmoshpotato
@SpaceUnit: Funky.
Manyakitty
@Kyle Rayner: oh shit. I just got a sick feeling.
Feathers
cain
@oldgold: JFC – this week man, is fucking nuts. Glad to see pushback from the legal system against all the evil shit.
And now, Russia is having their own problem. Today’s update by Adam is going to be lit!
Kyle Rayner
@Manyakitty: I always try to extract the maximum amount of reassurance remembering how literally nothing from Russia’s side so far in this war has been done with any measure of competence or brilliance.
zhena gogolia
@Baud: We always eat dinner at 7. Plus I have a standing Zoom with college friends on Fridays at 5 (since Covid). I can’t do two in a row, or ask my husband to eat dinner while listening to BJ conversation.
Tony Jay
@Brachiator:
Or – and look at me being all optimistic when it’s not the UK being discussed – if Trump had been a lot smarter and a little less of a small-time grifter his threat to the integrity of the USA would have been countered sooner, harder and with more collateral damage by the internal forces who, in the real world, judged he’d flame out and lose reelection before they had to act.
We’ll never know, because he really was dumber than a mute mallard with a bag over its head.
Jeffro
my FIL is here for dinner and an overnight stay, and he was just telling us at dinner about his “current events” group at the old folks home. they discuss, um, current events. call me crazy but it seems like the group’s main moderator likes to steer things in a very shall we say right-leaning framework.
ie, I’m jumping around with glee at the prospect of Putin’s forces and the Wagner Group going at it, and my FIL is telling me, “well, there are worse people who might take over in Russia” (which is a trope he picked up from this group and that moderator). Technically true, but…what’s “worse”?? Like, is the new guy going to invade neighboring countries? Interfere in American elections? Buy off an entire American political party?
I’m good with taking our chances on ‘new guy’.
UncleEbeneezer
@Omnes Omnibus: People don’t like when you point out the myriad examples that deflate their narrative that Garland is Feckless and/or trying to avoid holding Trump (and his higher ups) accountable. But from the very beginning it’s been pretty obvious that that is not the case.
Jeffro
oh and it should probably be said..sometimes it take a little longer, especially for the puppeteer to be ‘infected’ by the puppet, but as sure as death and taxes…
…Everything Trump Touches Dies
#ETTD
zhena gogolia
@Jeffro: Oh, what kind of idiot is that??? There is virtually no one worse than Prigozhin.
Omnes Omnibus
@UncleEbeneezer: We are, of course, in agreement.
patrick II
@Kyle Rayner:
That is an excellent question.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
Good man.
Steeplejack
@mrmoshpotato:
They certainly do not!
Manyakitty
@Kyle Rayner: acceptable. Additionally, I don’t think the Russians care about their people enough to bother evacuating them.
Steeplejack
@zhena gogolia:
Nobody wants that!
Baud
The Prime movie Air about Air Jordans is pretty good and has a great soundtrack.
Martin
@Uncle Cosmo: Yes, the US has supposedly never lost a ship to nuclear failure. Scorpion is believed to have gone down to a design failure in the batteries on the torpedos that got triggered on their journey back to the US from the mediterranean. A torpedo battery is believed to have exploded and breached the torpedo room, but without a cascade failure.
I’m an advocate for nuclear power, but not privatized nuclear power. The navy has proven that it can operate safely, and the private sector has proven that they are not the party to do that. Maybe as a non-profit exercise, but not under a profit motive.
Martin
@Jeffro: I’m not so sure. The only reliable upside here I think is for Ukraine. No matter how this goes, it’s likely to result in a pullback of Russian forces in Ukraine, or at least a loss of command control, both of which are beneficial in the near term.
Coups tend to usually make things worse, sometimes them the same under a different terrible leader, and very rarely make them better. Those aren’t great odds.
But a leadership vacuum would be great news for Ukraine’s counteroffensive effort.
Geminid
@Martin: I read in Air Force Times that there are plans to start operating one of those small nuclear power units at a remote airbase on the Aleutian Islands, by 2027 I believe. It’s a likely spot; the base currently uses coal, and that has to be kept under cover in a heated structure.
China projects a large build out of nuclear power generation in coming decades.
Jeffro
@Martin: ok, be unsure…I’m unsure about how all of it will play out. But like you, I know that this is good news for Ukraine. And I’m 99% certain it’s bad, as opposed to good, for Putin (which is good!)
UncleEbeneezer
Allison Gill has a good thread making an argument that I have always believed: Trump was never going to be in jail before 2024 election, even if DOJ rushed every move. The reality is that Garland didn’t get his people into the USAO until Fall of 2021 because they were blocked by Republicans. Marcy Wheeler has noted several times that it takes about a year to extract messages from the phones seized by the FBI. The idea that any AG was gonna get Trump imprisoned before the next election was always a pipe dream. Former US Attorney Barb McQuade, Joyce White Vance and several others with experience in Fed cases said that charges wouldn’t come until Summer or Fall of 2023 (even before we heard about some of the delays that Trump loyalists caused):
JMG
Absolutely non-political use of an open thread: The (very short) commercial striped bass season has opened on Cape Cod! Thus I was able to purchase some, and bake it over coals, wrapped in foil, with an oil, chopped lemon, chopped shallot and chopped parsley dressing. Came out great if I do say so myself. Summer is here! (actually, I knew that because of all the out of state license plates in the fish market parking lot).
Back to political news: Whether or not the Wagner forces pose a serious threat to Putin or are obliterated, the removal of 25,000 front line troops can’t possibly be good for Russia’s front lines in Ukraine.
cain
Damn so weird, Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs just followed me on Mastodon. I think I was just liking one of his toots. Must have liked the programmer part of what I do since apparently he’s a coder.
Brachiator
@Tony Jay:
Trump and Boris Johnson are both men who successfully appealed to the worst elements of vile political parties who rightfully saw that they could use these faux populists to further right wing interests.
Early on Republican leaders claimed that they would never support Trump. But they didn’t fight hard to stop him from taking over the GOP. Also, early on, even though the GOP leadership were wary of Trump, wealthy donors immediately liked what they were seeing.
The Uber rich knew that if Trump could pull in enough suckers who believed that the right wing actually care about them, then the robber barons could get away with anything.
Meanwhile, over where you are, I understand that there are still a lot of ordinary people getting kicked in the butt by inflation and an indifferent government who still believe that Boris Johnson and the Easter Bunny will be bringing them a BREXIT benefit.
Martin
@Geminid: I do like the design of the NuScale reactors, but the important thing on deployment of nuclear is _speed_. If it’s going to take a decade or more to get operation, forget it. You can usually get solar/wind/etc up and running faster and cheaper.
The military can deploy fast because they bypass a shit ton of regulation, they don’t need to do a zillion studies in order to get bank financing, and so on. If they can demonstrate construction *quickly* then I’m largely on board. But the US has shown no real commitment to solving that problem. Climate change is coming FAST.
mrmoshpotato
@cain: Are tweets really called “toots” on Mastodon?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Baud:
good to know. I’ve been avoiding it since shoe movies usually stink.
piratedan
@cain: he is, but he also blogs for the good guys these days since his recovery from Islamaphobia.
NotMax
Zoom just now ended.
Baud
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:
You didn’t like Crocs: The Movie.
Jay
@Brachiator:
In Canada, we have “secured loans” and “unsecured loans”.
Secured loans have physical property attached. They can take, (seize) the property, but only after going to court.
Unsecured loans don’t.
If you walk away from an unsecured loan, as long as you don’t make any payments on the loan, (debt), no matter how many vulture companies they sell it to, after two years, it’s dead.
Yeah, your credit rating takes a hit, no biggie.
Martin
@UncleEbeneezer: Not sure Democrats want Trump in jail before the election. They’ve been playing high stakes with choosing their opponents, and having the GOP choose a presidential candidate in the middle of a trial is, well, pretty fucking high stakes. Some states have provisions to replace a candidate that dies, but if you nominate one that has been indicted, well, you gotta live with that stupidity.
I’m not one that believes that Trump is even remotely electable. If the GOP can be convinced to nominate him, well, god bless everyone for that.
cain
@JMG: Not just that – those 25k is now going to cause mischief causing russian forces to back track to protect the country so even less soldiers than before.
Roberto el oso
@Manyakitty: same here, but I’m trying to remember that, while the scenario presented by Kyle Rayner is indeed horrifying, it would also require a level of strategic thinking and cleverness that has so far been lacking on the Russian side. I also don’t believe that if it is some kind of a “plan” that either Prigozhin or Shuigo are such ego-less patriots that they would agree to allowing themselves to be publicly abused to this degree. Also, even though Putin has shown no particular regard for actual Russian lives, it seems there might be some rumors about movement East among the upper ranks of the collaborators in Donbass, etc.
Just my 2 kopiyoks’ :
& I see Kyle Rayner has pretty much said the same thing regarding Russia’s incompetence ….
cain
@mrmoshpotato: Yeah – it’s called ‘toot’ in mastodon. Of course, if you’re from 1940s New York City I suppose you have a different response to the word ‘toot’.
Martin
@Baud: Crocs are the shoes worn in the future in Idiocracy. They had just launched and the costume designer thought they were too stupid to see wide adoption and so chose them as ‘what would stupid people in the future wear’. By the time the movie launched, they were super popular.
It sort of is ‘Crocs: the movie’
cain
@Martin:
The whining and whinging they would do if he were put in jail at towards the end of the election cycle. I’m not sure what is going to happen but it’s not the Dems fault they picked a guy who obviously had legal issues. Sucks to be them.
But you know how they are – they deserve special treatment because they are the true Americans, the original people from the bygones day.
SiubhanDuinne
@NotMax:
‘Twas a fine Zoom.
Martin
@mrmoshpotato: Sort of. The platform really doesn’t want them to be called ‘toots’. They’re ‘posts’. But at the same time ‘tweet’ was coined by Blaine Cook, the developer of Twitteriffic, not by Twitter. Twitteriffic was kicked off of Twitter by Musk last year, and now has a Mastodon client coming out, so a lot of us are waiting for Blaine to definitively resolve this. So far, they are ‘posts’ in his new client Ivory (which is really nice, btw.)
UncleEbeneezer
Worth noting that at the Willard Hotel with Shroyer were a veritable who’s-who of MAGA shit-heads: Flynn, Bannon, Stone, Epshtyn, Bobb, Kerik, Eastman, Russel J. Ramsland Jr. (1), Phillip Luelsdorff. With Meadows “dialing in” according to Cassidy Hutchinson.
(1.) co-owner of Allied Security Operations Group, a cybersecurity outfit he has used to push election fraud conspiracy theories, going back to 2018)
(2.) director of Business Development for 1st Amendment Praetorian (1AP), a fascist paramilitary security group that has provided “security” for far-right politicians and fascist rallies
Shroyer’s cooperation could be HUGE!!!
Jeffro
more fucking No Labels bullshit from the Post’s almost-premiere GOP hack:
I’m going to pretend Republicans should be worried about No Labels unless they wink wink nominate this particular kind of “bipartisan” ticket:
Tell me more, Thiessen, you hack, how most GOP voters are going to vote for a 3rd party candidate if the other choices are Biden and (either trumpov OR DeSantis).
Tell me that voters want a ticket with Joe Manchin and some anti-abortion Republican – THAT’s what they’re dying for?
Or if you’re honest, just tell me that you’d be perfectly fine with a Manchin candidacy that kneecaps Biden and delivers the presidency to either fake Dem + forced-birth VP or DeSantis.
Anyway, hear that, No Labels? It’s up to YOU to “neutralize the abortion question”. The GOP and its flunkies on SCOTUS certainly can’t.
NotMax
@SiubhanDuinne
Think at one point I counted nearly 30 in attendance.
Jeffro
@Martin: me personally? I want him in jail just as soon as possible.
hell, I wanted him to pay for J6 on the morning of J7, right there on the Capitol steps.
There are no higher stakes to be had, not since he was first “elected” and certainly not since J6. Let’s go. Let’s deliver justice and let the rest of the chips fall where they may.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@NotMax:
Law and Order: Jackals
HumboldtBlue
Lehrjet
@Dorothy A. Winsor: No difference what so ever.
currants
@Brachiator:
That was as clear a description of (American) folks’ views of lending as I have ever read.
currants
@UncleEbeneezer:
Exactly right. Unfortunately (said in my head in every language I know).
Martin
@HumboldtBlue: tick-tock motherfuckers
currants
@JMG:
I was just in NJ on the southern tip, and my cousin’s son-in-law caught some over the weekend. They made sublime oven-baked fish tacos.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Fuck that shit.
Suzanne
I just had a fantastic dinner. I made a salad with kale, shaved Brussels sprouts, broccoli slaw, and topped it with red wine Dijon vinaigrette and Gorgonzola. And a piece of smoked salmon.
OMG it was amazing.
Gvg
@Martin: except the Navy is over extended and was having all those other accidents due to not enough manpower and years of funding cuts. Not long ago there were accidents with ship collisions blamed on things like not enough sleep because all the crews are short and they don’t hey enough shore time then training shakedown befor missions again. I am not a sea person and I am just trying to repeat the gist of what I remember our experts explaining
in short, we need to take care of navy infrastructure just as much as civilian before loading them with more responsibility. Otherwise good idea.
Matt McIrvin
@Martin:
I think Trump has a better than even chance of winning because our side will decide Biden is cringe and destroy itself with third party ratfucker shit, like we have done multiple times before.
Is there one state Biden could conceivably win that he didn’t in 2020? The only one I can think of as vaguely plausible is North Carolina. Aside from that, he basically maxed out.
But that means he doesn’t have a lot of margin to lose. Some of his wins in 2020 were close and fluky, Georgia particularly, and may be hard to replicate. And if a few percent of our sporadically-Naderite/Berniebro types decide to vote for Cornel West or something, Biden is toast.
The other side doesn’t care that they’re turning out to vote for an obvious criminal. Hell, they think that’s badass.
Geminid
@Matt McIrvin: I think Cornel West will peel off very few Biden voters. He’ll win votes from lefties who theoretically should vote for Democrats but in practice never will.
Jeffro
@Matt McIrvin: ask yourself which is more likely:
Biden shrinks his margin in a state or two that he won in 2020.
Biden increases his margin in a state or two that he won in 2020.
We saw what happened in 2020…the 3rd party margin from 2016 nearly evaporated in the face of the threat from trump as a known quantity.
Ok, so that was just asking for ‘off the cuff’ feelings. Now add in:
A Republican Party that is likely to be HUGELY, hugely fighting amongst itself this time around – if trump’s the nominee, how does he increase his vote? If DeSantis is the nominee, how does trump NOT kneecap him the whole way through (to say nothing of running as an independent to keep the grift/chaos going)?
Additional trump indictments, proceedings, trials, adding to #1 above.
Inflation dropping, good job market, Ukraine strategy proving to be a winner, Biden infrastructure initiatives showing concrete results.
General GOP insanity a la Boebert, Greene, Jordan, etc.
And most importantly: DOBBS
Or to put it most succinctly: who would you rather be, them, or us, heading into 2024?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl:
I think you know my opinion on that.
Manyakitty
@Roberto el oso: it sounds like we all agree.
Manyakitty
@Suzanne: holy shit. Can you bring that to the Ohio meetup? I’ll make some fancy pasta 🤤
Suzanne
@Manyakitty: ZOMG pasta is my kryptonite.
I will def bring some salad…. but it was actually super-easy. The kale, broccoli slaw, and Brussels sprouts are common produce department items, and the dressing was just a 1:1 of olive oil and red wine vinegar, plus some Italian seasoning, red pepper flakes, and a teaspoon of Dijon. Whole thing, including washing the salad spinner, took ten minutes.
Brachiator
@Jay:
In the US, often if the lender “forgives” the debt on certain types of loans, the individual is issued a Form 1099C and is expected to include the amount of the cancelled debt as income on their tax return.
El Muneco
@Jeffro: I don’t share his pessimism but his concern is more than rational:
Just like in 2016, there’s a lot of room for losing support in the generic ballot.
And like Matt mentions, Biden is playing defense. There are minimal pickup opportunities, and the decisive votes in 2020 in swing states could fit in the largest soccer stadiums.
Biden is a favorite, possibly a decisive one. But anyone who thinks that TFG has less than the Red October “one chance in three” is fooling themselves.
Expatchad Putin has become Stalin, the destroyer of worlds
@Juju: REQUIESCAT IN LARGE PIECES
Geminid
@Gvg: Not sure how current this critique of US Navy capabilities is. The two destroyer collisions occurred in June and August, 2017. The constraints on US DOD funding were lifted not too long after that, and defense spending has increased a lot since.
Another Scott
@Geminid:
USNI.org (from May):
(Emphasis added.)
The DoD is huge. The Navy is huge. They get lots of money. But not enough to do the job that they’ve been assigned to do. It will take decades and lots more money to get them to the level that they (and we) need them to be if they’re ever needed in a serious conflict.
Cheers,
Scott.