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You are here: Home / Climate Change / Friday Evening Open Thread: Mask Up

Friday Evening Open Thread: Mask Up

by Anne Laurie|  June 30, 20235:49 pm| 151 Comments

This post is in: Climate Change, How about that weather?, Open Threads

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D.C. and much of the U.S. will be facing intermittent smoke all summer long — probably until October.

34 very large fires in Quebec are being “monitored” but not combatted. They’ve burned 3.7 million acres.

They won’t die for a while. Every NW wind means more smoke for us. pic.twitter.com/yFeNbV5saQ

— Matthew Cappucci (@MatthewCappucci) June 29, 2023


 
Looks to be the theme of the summer. At least we should have a stock of N95s on hand!

A reminder of how certain climate scientists are that the climate change caused by human activity: “confidence…had reached a “five-sigma” level, meaning there is only a one-in-a-million chance that the signal would appear if there was no warming.” https://t.co/Gu9DW8KIA3

— Jeff Berardelli (@WeatherProf) June 30, 2023

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  1. 1.

    Baud

    June 30, 2023 at 5:53 pm

    Not mandatory since smoke inhalation is not contagious.

  2. 2.

    Anne Laurie

    June 30, 2023 at 5:56 pm

    @Baud: I have been told the masks will keep smoke particulates out of one’s lungs, however.

    Not using mine today (our air quality is ‘moderate’) but if you can smell the smoke…

  3. 3.

    wmd

    June 30, 2023 at 5:57 pm

    Worth noting that the final embed (five-sigma) actually dates to 2019.

  4. 4.

    Ken

    June 30, 2023 at 5:59 pm

    @Baud: Also if you pack your sinuses with horse deworming paste, it keeps the smoke out.

  5. 5.

    Cameron

    June 30, 2023 at 6:00 pm

    https://youtu.be/8DopzOCeKJc

  6. 6.

    Brachiator

    June 30, 2023 at 6:02 pm

    @Ken:

    Also if you pack your sinuses with horse deworming paste, it keeps the smoke out.

    You can also shine a light up your nose. Or use some bleach.

  7. 7.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 6:07 pm

    @Brachiator:   Just to be safe, all Republicans should replace the water in their humidifier with bleach.

  8. 8.

    Ohio Mom

    June 30, 2023 at 6:09 pm

    We had a couple of rain squalls yesterday but as soon as the rains wash away the haze, it is replaced.

    It’s good sleeping-with-the-windows-open weather, the temps drop down to the 60s at night, but looks like the windows are staying shut.

  9. 9.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 6:11 pm

    @Ohio Mom:   Whoever invents a sheet to fit over window screens that filters out particulate but allows in fresh air could make a killing.

  10. 10.

    Martin

    June 30, 2023 at 6:13 pm

    You guys are going to love that day a week after the smoke ends when your brain becomes deacclimated to the smoke and you realize that every inch of fabric in your house smells like a campfire.

  11. 11.

    Ohio Mom

    June 30, 2023 at 6:18 pm

    @Martin: And then what do you do? Sure, it’s easy to strip the beds and wash the bed linens, but the upholstered furniture, the rugs, the curtains… There’s lots that isn’t simple or cheap to clean. Especially all at once.

    Something to look forward to, not.

  12. 12.

    oldster

    June 30, 2023 at 6:25 pm

    This reminds me that I should check/replace the air filter in the central AC/furnace unit.

    I bought a few ultra-fine filters during COVID so as to reduce the recirculation of virons . I hope the current one is now also catching the smokey particulates. But filters do their job by slowly incapacitating themselves, so I should see what stage of degradation it has reached.

  13. 13.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 30, 2023 at 6:27 pm

    @Ohio Mom:

    And then what do you do? 

    You buy a box of smoke tea (yes, it’s a thing – brew “coffee” with campfire ashes and you’ll basically have it), and burn the shit out of anything you cook, then eat it.

    You won’t notice the smoke-scented furniture!

  14. 14.

    Betty Cracker

    June 30, 2023 at 6:30 pm

    I’ll have the smoke particulates, thanks. The covid-deniers who acted like a suggestion to wear a piece of cloth on their faces was communist tyranny were embarrassing, histrionic crybabies. But sweet Jeebus, do I hate wearing a fucking mask! Only the notion that I was protecting more vulnerable people could compel me to do so.

  15. 15.

    Spanky

    June 30, 2023 at 6:32 pm

    @oldster: I just replaced our furnace/ac filter a couple of hours ago when I noticed the ac wasn’t keeping up. I always label them with the date they go in,  and this one was from Thanksgiving.  :^O

  16. 16.

    MobiusKlein

    June 30, 2023 at 6:33 pm

    Have you had ash start to fall on your houses yet? Is it dark at noon?
    Come to 2020 Summer West Coast for the real experience

  17. 17.

    CarolPW

    June 30, 2023 at 6:36 pm

    One of the saddest things I have ever seen I saw today, on a pretty bad day for sad things. It was a NASA twitter post celebrating the contributions of their LGBTQI+ colleagues, followed 10 minutes later by a statement that to protect their people they were limiting comments on the thread.

  18. 18.

    laura

    June 30, 2023 at 6:37 pm

    @Ohio Mom: swap out your home air filters and plan to vacuum your furnishings. This winter was the first since 2017 that I lit a fire in the fireplace because that scent of smoke just gave me terrible anxiety. You can still see the charred hillsides in Sonoma County if you drive along hwy 12. You could still smell the char well after the first year.

  19. 19.

    bbleh

    June 30, 2023 at 6:38 pm

    “Humanity cannot afford to ignore such clear signals”

    HAW haw haw! Wull hell, I c’n afford any damn thing I can pay for, and I don’t gotta pay nothin’ to ignore nothin’! Damn librul elitist know-it-alls, think they c’n tell me what to do…!

    [opens cold-water tap, a few dusty drops fall out]

    Damn hippies, now they’re even takin’ mah water!

  20. 20.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 6:40 pm

    @Betty Cracker: A suggestion (for the smoke): you can buy p100 respirators with an “exhale valve” so they don’t filter your exhalations.  They’re markedly easier to breathe with, than N95 masks that filter in both directions.

    Just a thought.  I use one in all foreign buildings, including the weight room.  Since I’m one of the 2-4 masked people in the room full of unmasked others, I figure it’s no worse than what they’re doing.

  21. 21.

    laura

    June 30, 2023 at 6:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker: I’ll have the smoke particulates, thanks

    It’ll fuck your lungs so efficiently.

  22. 22.

    Bill Arnold

    June 30, 2023 at 6:41 pm

    @Betty Cracker:

    I’ll have the smoke particulates, thanks.

    Shrug. When visibility drops to like 3 kilometers, and it smells like stale smoke, mask goes on when outside. Lung damage lasts a while, maybe a lifetime. I wear a mask when lawn-mowing, too, mostly to block the much larger pollen grains.
    I’m told there is a big sunspot that one can now view by (quickly?) looking directly at the setting/rising sun when the smoke is thick enough. Haven’t tried. ( https://spaceweather.com/ )

  23. 23.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 6:42 pm

    @bbleh:   You’d be lucky to have dust coming out of your water tap.

  24. 24.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 6:46 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Fabreeze. And, upholstery and carpet shampoo. We, in the PNW went through this for an entire summer a few years ago. Fires from CA, OR, WA and Canada. It didn’t matter which way the wind blew; fire smoke came from every direction.

    Oh, and change heat pump and AC filters REGULARLY!!!

  25. 25.

    trollhattan

    June 30, 2023 at 6:49 pm

    Get no Schadenfreude from this whatsoever but I can sure fucking relate, as it’s our New Normal from August to October, and those are just the average upper and lower bounds.

    Could catch a break this year since forest fires at least, seem a lot less likely after the wet winter.

  26. 26.

    Almost Retired

    June 30, 2023 at 6:57 pm

    My sympathy to all of you Easterners.  My sister temporarily moved to Washington DC for work.   She is coming home to Los Angeles for the long weekend for the superior air quality.  The irony burns as harshly as the smoke.

  27. 27.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 6:58 pm

    Anyone painted their house recently?  We live in a newer suburban neighborhood of SW Washington, Camas WA to be specific, where most of the houses are grey, beige, or in-between griege, which is absolutely boring as hell.  We’ve been driving around the Portland area looking at houses for ideas of something not grey, griege, or beige.

    We started looking at greens and sage greens but a lot of the green houses just look a little bit off.  I couldn’t figure out why, but I think it is because our Pacific Northwest landscape is already so green and landscaping around here is so lush, that green house paint sort of clashes.  It doesn’t quite match the green grass, trees, and shrubs so it looks more unnatural.

    So I think we have settled on a dark navy gray with bright white trim.  Seems a classic and crisp color scheme that isn’t gray/griege/beige.  We are down to three final choices in order of preference.  Any opinions?

    Sherwin Williams Sea Serpent with white trim.  Example: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53014131823_403b516e39_b.jpg

    Benjamin Moore Newburyport Blue with white trim.  Example from our neighborhood:  https://goo.gl/maps/2hfV5Sd2gZZxJpDs7

    Benjamin Moore Hale Navy with white trim.  Examples:  https://www.theharperhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/benjamin-moore-hale-navy-exterior-mike-schaap-builders.jpg

    and https://thecolorconcierge.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/IMG_9898-1024×768.jpeg

    The Sea Serpent has slight greenish undertones to the Navy blue.  The Newburyport Blue is very similar but a shade lighter.  The Hale Navy is lacking the green undertones and is the darkest of the three.

  28. 28.

    Maxim

    June 30, 2023 at 7:02 pm

    I like the Newburyport Blue the best of the three, at least judging from those photos, but they’re all nice colors.

  29. 29.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:02 pm

    Speaking of masks…

    “Three Republican House members lost a years-long fight Thursday against congressional mask mandates, with a unanimous appeals court panel ruling that they had no jurisdiction to review the policy.”

    “Masks haven’t been required on the floor of the House of Representatives for more than a year, but Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), and Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) were challenging fines they incurredwhen the covid-19 mitigation policy was in place. They argued the policy violated both their First Amendment right to free speech and their 27th Amendment entitlement to their salary.”

    “The court said neither argument mattered because of another part of the First Amendment, which shields members of Congress from being brought into court over legislative acts.”
    WaPo gift link https://wapo.st/3CWCDQI

  30. 30.

    oldster

    June 30, 2023 at 7:06 pm

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Seconding your recommendation for valved masks. I’ve had good luck with the 3M “Aura” brand.

    Back when we were trying to protect one another from disease, valved masks were clearly unhelpful and anti-social, since the infected would exhale unfiltered air from their lungs.

    But now that almost no one masks, they cannot complain about my use of valved masks — as you say, I am not endangering anyone more with a valved mask than I would without a mask at all.

    And the increase in comfort is immense! Especially for periods of exertion, e.g. as at the gym. It makes masking much more bearable.

    Ditto if smoke is your worry — valved masks are much, much more comfortable than involved, and you are not increasing anyone else’s particulate inhalation by reducing your own.

  31. 31.

    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2023 at 7:06 pm

    @Almost Retired:

    She is coming home to Los Angeles for the long weekend for the superior air quality. The irony burns as harshly as the smoke.

    I’ve lived in Los Angeles for long enough that it always makes me double take when one of my Chinese coworkers lists air quality as a reason to retire here rather than back in the old country.  I’m not saying they’re wrong, but the air quality here is still bad enough that your air has to be bad to find it an improvement.

  32. 32.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:07 pm

    @Kent: How about classic white with dark blue trim?

    All the colors you picked seem dreary for typical gray overcast/rainy western WA.

  33. 33.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 7:11 pm

    @oldster: Yes to all of this.  And to boot, my P100 respirator ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013SIIBME/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) is

    1. very robust, has lasted for 8 months with no visible signs of wear
    2. has  wide headstraps, so I can adjust it for a *tight* fit (exhale hard, no air seeps past the rubber skirt)

    And as you say, it ain’t like anybody *else* is wearing masks these days, so I feel no guilt at wearing a valved mask.  That said, GVS does make a P10 respirator that filters exhalations too.  If (knock wood) some respiratory pathogen started spreading *again* and mask mandates came back (haha, what?  in AmeriKKKa?  surely I jest) I’d get one of those.  B/c again, rugged, wide straps, excellent fit.

  34. 34.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 7:13 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Get no Schadenfreude from this whatsoever but I can sure fucking relate

    Amen to this.  I trust that all you Northeast jackals are taking care and wearing your masks.  It *sucked* here during the fires.  Just *sucked*.  Protect your lungs!

  35. 35.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    @Jackie: We have two neighbors with bright white houses so trying to avoid that.   And if you start going with lighter shades you end up back with the gray/beige/griege thing. Or maybe a light sage color.  But there are also several sage colored houses in the neighborhood.  We will have a lot of contrasting white trim so that will make it look very different from a dark modern-style house with dark trim.

    There are a couple that are charcoal and white or the navy and white like the one that I linked to that look very nice on the street.

    There is a very upscale new subdivision nearby and they are actually putting in some charcoal/black houses.  They look OK I guess  https://goo.gl/maps/qRusDzmLnfJYmwd58

  36. 36.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    Oh my.

    A Trump supporter who stormed the Capitol wearing a “Make Space Great Again” hat had two guns and 400 rounds of ammunition in his van when he was arrested Thursday near former President Barack Obama’s home, federal authorities said Friday.
    [snip]
    Taranto will be held in custody at least until a detention hearing on Wednesday. Federal Magistrate Judge G. Michael Harvey said Friday he had “some concern” about Taranto’s mental stability. Source

  37. 37.

    JoyceH

    June 30, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    But if the MAGAts want to walk around in 300 AQI maskless, hey, no problem because they’re only damaging themselves and not spreading the problem. Fox News claims the smoke problem is alarmism and smoke can’t hurt you. Have at it, guys.

  38. 38.

    Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)

    June 30, 2023 at 7:14 pm

    Good! Ex-Speaker Pelosi to headline a fundraiser for Democrat seeking Sen. Sinema’s seat

  39. 39.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:16 pm

    @Kent:   I agree with Maxim on like the Sea Serpent.  (I was confused – clearly!)

    The colors are all very similar, so I wasn’t sure that the lighting being more sunny didn’t make it seem more lively but after you mentioned the green tone I’m guessing that is what makes the difference.  I like it the best but they’re all lovely.

  40. 40.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 7:17 pm

    @Kent

    Considered a classic barn red with off-white trim?

  41. 41.

    Scout211

    June 30, 2023 at 7:18 pm

    The Musk has spoken.

    It’s all the stealing, people.  It must stop! 

    Musk, in a post Friday afternoon, claimed that Twitter took the step to improve performance on the platform after third-party companies were “scraping” data and overloading its systems. “Temporary emergency measure,” he tweeted. “We were getting data pillaged so much that it was degrading service for normal users!”

    In another tweet, Musk said, “Several hundred organizations (maybe more) were scraping Twitter data extremely aggressively, to the point where it was affecting the real user experience.” He added, “What should we do to stop that? I’m open to ideas.”

  42. 42.

    oldster

    June 30, 2023 at 7:19 pm

    @Kent:

    I’m the last person to offer advice about colors — my sense of color is like a tone-deaf person’s sense of harmony — but I do want to say how charming I find it that you turn to this community for input on a question like this.

    It’s so neighborly! I wish I could lend you a cup of sugar, just to participate in the spirit of it all.

  43. 43.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 7:19 pm

    @JoyceH:

    Have at it, guys.

    To quote Tom Levenson, intercourse them orthogonally with oxidized lawn implements.  Indeed, have at it, boyos!

  44. 44.

    Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)

    June 30, 2023 at 7:19 pm

    Trump campaign advisor who allegedly saw classified map works for China lobbying firm

  45. 45.

    Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)

    June 30, 2023 at 7:20 pm

    @Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!):

    “only the best people!”

  46. 46.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:20 pm

    @Jackie:   You’re thinking of Olympia.  I lived in Tacoma for three years and did not find it any more grey and rainy other than in fall/winter months when it’s grey and rainy in, say, Massachusetts or New York.

  47. 47.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:22 pm

    @Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!): Good for Nancy! I doubt she’d do this if she didn’t think he has a real chance to beat Sinema!

  48. 48.

    laura

    June 30, 2023 at 7:23 pm

    @Kent: ooh- me like that sea serpent. A lovely pthalo blue green.

  49. 49.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:23 pm

    @Scout211:   Sounds like bullshit to me.

  50. 50.

    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2023 at 7:24 pm

    @Kent:

    They all look fine, and very similar, to me.  If you have a personal preference, trust your gut.  It’s your house, and you’re the ones you have to please.  (That’s “you” plural, since I know you have a family who also gets a say.)

    One additional point is that you’ve seen them in person.  I don’t trust internet JPEGs to tell me what colors look like.  Unless they’ve been very carefully processed to preserve color accuracy, they’re not a good basis for fine comparisons.

  51. 51.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 7:25 pm

    @Mike S. (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!): Of *course* she does!

  52. 52.

    Dan B

    June 30, 2023 at 7:26 pm

    @trollhattan:  The PNW is looking at a bad fire season since we had a warm April that melted much of the snowpack in the mountains.

  53. 53.

    Kay

    June 30, 2023 at 7:27 pm

    @laura:

    Me too. Sea Serpent.

  54. 54.

    indycat32

    June 30, 2023 at 7:27 pm

    @Kent: I like the hale navy with sea serpent close second.

  55. 55.

    Scout211

    June 30, 2023 at 7:27 pm

    @Kent: I guess you don’t have an HOA that requires all those “earth tones” that everyone has.  We recently had our house painted but with the exact same color as it was.  That was easy to pick .

    All your choices look similar, but I prefer the Hale Navy with White trim.

  56. 56.

    oldster

    June 30, 2023 at 7:30 pm

    @Scout211:

    I hope his few remaining advertisers point out that he just drastically reduced the number of eyeballs seeing their ads. I don’t have an account on the bird site and I never will, but before today I read a lot of tweets and saw a lot of ads. If Skum can only sell the eyeballs of account-holders, then his ad real estate is worth a lot less.

    (I am particularly vexed about today’s block because twitter is my window into events in Ukraine. Why do all of Skum’s actions just accidentally wind up benefitting ruzzia and China? It’s a mystery.)

  57. 57.

    Almost Retired

    June 30, 2023 at 7:30 pm

    @Roger Moore:   Ha!  Yeah, I’m sure someone landing at LAX from Beijing or New Delhi would be like “WTF ….you call THIS smog?!?”

  58. 58.

    Jay

    June 30, 2023 at 7:31 pm

    @Kent:

    what’s your siding?

    stucco, don’t paint, whitewash.

    cedar, stain,

    hardyboard, again, stain, don’t paint.

    Lighter colours show off the garden more and suck up less heat.

  59. 59.

    Dan B

    June 30, 2023 at 7:33 pm

    @Kent:  All these seem fine.  There are lots of dark blue houses, and charcoal, in Seattle these days.  Vegetation looks good against them as do tree trunks.  The front doors are deep red very often and it not only shows where the entry is but it makes the whole thing look bright.

  60. 60.

    Sister Golden Bear

    June 30, 2023 at 7:35 pm

    A friendly reminder that a P100 mask (the type often used for painting) is even more effective — and I’d definitely recommend getting one if you need to spend time outdoors. Also well worth investing in a portable HEPA air filter or two for inside the house.

  61. 61.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 7:39 pm

    @Sister Golden Bear: Or (on the cheap) a Corsi-Rosenthal box ( https://cleanaircrew.org/box-fan-filters/ ) — you make it with a box fan and furnace filters.

  62. 62.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    June 30, 2023 at 7:39 pm

    I got a new to me camera today(Sony A7R), that after I fully test out over the weekend will be packed up and sent out for a full spectrum mod.

  63. 63.

    Dan B

    June 30, 2023 at 7:41 pm

    @Jay:  Disagree.  Dark colors recede so vegetation pops.  Light colors make the iris retract which mutes vegetation.

  64. 64.

    TriassicSands

    June 30, 2023 at 7:43 pm

    Mask up? Never! I’d rather die or get lung cancer or asthma. Biden started these fires so that he could control us all.

    FREEDUMB!!! (Damn, it’s liberating to be an RWNJ!)

    @Jackie: Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), and Ralph Norman (R-S.C.) were challenging fines they incurred when the covid-19 mitigation policy was in place. They argued the policy violated both their Zeroeth Amendment right to be complete idiots and their 270th Amendment entitlement to get paid to do nothing but whine endlessly.”

    Fixed.

  65. 65.

    martha

    June 30, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @Kent: I vote for sea serpent! All three are great but the hint of green seals the deal for me …

  66. 66.

    Scout211

    June 30, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @Jay: hardyboard, again, stain, don’t paint.

    Our cement board siding came with a primer layer of paint when our house was built. Are you recommending people stain over paint?

  67. 67.

    Dan B

    June 30, 2023 at 7:44 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:  Full frame mirrorless camera.  Wow!

  68. 68.

    Baud

    June 30, 2023 at 7:46 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA:

    Congrats!

  69. 69.

    Jay

    June 30, 2023 at 7:47 pm

    @Kent:

    dark colours are hard to paint over.

    The “Clan” painted the house grey, inside, outside, stained the hardwood floors, (maple), because it was a trend,

    then wondered why they had suicidal idealoation in the Rain Coast winter.

    T and I painted our house in Maple Ridge, Aztec White, put in maple floors, other than the kitchen, which had double sliding doors looking out onto the back yard. The floor became jade green, the walls were some kinda mint green, I stained the cabinetry some kinda dark cherry. It became a favorite place to sit. We even hung green art on the walls, (plant prints). And of course, it looked out onto the green.

    When we moved to T’kumloops, the dominant colour became “dried grass”. Inside and outside all blended making everything seem a larger space.

  70. 70.

    Dan B

    June 30, 2023 at 7:51 pm

    @Scout211:  We built dozens of Hardi-panel fences.  It’s not primed.  We painted all of them and the paint lasts decades.  We didn’t stain any but it should work.  I was concerned that the panel would soak up a lot of stain before it looked even.

  71. 71.

    🐾BillinGlendaleCA

    June 30, 2023 at 7:55 pm

    @Dan B: I already have the A7iv, I moved to full-frame late last year.  This one is a second camera for IR and H-alpha shooting stuff.

    @Baud: Thanks, I had to go to Fedex to pick it up since the delivery driver saw the Doberman sign on the gate and ran off before I could get there.  The Doberman is my neighbor’s dog.

  72. 72.

    geg6

    June 30, 2023 at 7:56 pm

    We’re finally down to a 93 AQI.  Much better but still not great.  Plus, it’s now hot and humid.  But that’s typical of summer here in the ‘Burgh.

  73. 73.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 8:01 pm

    @Scout211

    I’m sure advertisers are overcome with glee at Musk now limiting their ads’ potential reach and audience.

    Not.

  74. 74.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 8:02 pm

    Sea Serpent sounds like it has the most votes!  It also has the advantage of being a Sherwin Williams color and the contractors that we hired use Sherwin Williams.  If we had gone with a Benjamin Moore color we’d have to either talk the contractors into using Benjamin Moore (which has less presence in the PNW) or else having Sherwin Williams color match it, which could end up with a slightly different 4th color.

    Siding is Hardiplank and already painted.  So the only option is paint.  The house is currently medium griege with light griege trim so as neutral as it is possible to be.  I’m ready for a dramatic change.  I have all 3 painted on the front garage and the Hale Navy is substantially darker than the other two, maybe too dark when you see them side by side.  It absorbs a lot more light and reflects less.  My wife is torn between Sea Serpent and Newburyport Blue but leaning Sea Serpent.  It is a little bit less “bright blueberry” color and more subdued.  But they are very close.

    We do need HOA approval but they are pretty relaxed and just want you to do some non-crazy color that isn’t identical to your neighbors.  There are red, green, and other nearly identical navy gray homes in the neighborhood.  The Newburyport Blue house is in the same neighborhood with the same HOA so they did approve that one and it frankly looks better than most others.

  75. 75.

    Suzanne

    June 30, 2023 at 8:03 pm

    @Kent: Hale Navy. Fo sho.

  76. 76.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 8:08 pm

    This is what all three colors look like side by side on our garage with the existing bleah griege that we are painting over.

    https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53014226953_19ab0ea856_b.jpg

  77. 77.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 8:10 pm

    Query for y’all.

    Contemplating maybe creating a personal Paypal account. Emphasize maybe.

    Find it useful? Downsides? Horror stories? (No anticipation of my ever being on the recipient end, just for certain select outgoing payments.)

  78. 78.

    zhena gogolia

    June 30, 2023 at 8:11 pm

    @oldster:

    (I am particularly vexed about today’s block because twitter is my window into events in Ukraine.

    Me too. And Kevin Rothrock for Russia.

  79. 79.

    zhena gogolia

    June 30, 2023 at 8:12 pm

    @NotMax: I used to have it for buying Shirley Temple sheet music on eBay. I had no horror stories. I just let it lapse because I wasn’t using it any more.

  80. 80.

    Tony G

    June 30, 2023 at 8:13 pm

    @Ken: That horse paste cures everything!  But the Deep State doesn’t want us to know that.

  81. 81.

    Sure Lurkalot

    June 30, 2023 at 8:13 pm

    @🐾BillinGlendaleCA: Great! Your photography is wonderballs.

  82. 82.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 8:13 pm

    @NotMax:Query for y’all.

    Contemplating maybe creating a personal Paypal account. Emphasize maybe.

    Find it useful? Downsides? Horror stories? (No anticipation of my ever being on the recipient end, just for certain select outgoing payments.)

    I had one I used when I was selling all my scuba gear and camera gear on ebay but never really use it since.  I find it annoying.

    I use Cash-App (due to the Pod Save America promos) and VenMo and find them both more useful.  I even like Google Pay more than PayPal.

    The only thing I have heard about any of these e-payment systems is DON’T use them as a bank.  In other words, don’t leave money in them, keep your balance zero or close to it and just use it for transfers.

    If you are hacked you have less recourse if you have lots of $$$ stuck in one of those systems compared to an ordinary bank account.

  83. 83.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 8:14 pm

    @Kent: I had the Newburyport Blue as a trim color on my former home in Chicago, a painted lady Victorian style house. My son and daughter in law toned it down to only a base and two trim colors, but kept the blue. It ages well as a color, sometimes the darker ones don’t do as well.

  84. 84.

    Tony G

    June 30, 2023 at 8:15 pm

    @TriassicSands:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene continues her competition with Lauren Boebert for the prize of Dumbest Woman in Congress.  If only they both could win!

  85. 85.

    Maxim

    June 30, 2023 at 8:16 pm

    @Chetan Murthy:

    Intercourse them orthogonally with oxidized farm implements.

    This really needs to be a rotating tag.

  86. 86.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 8:17 pm

    @Kent

    Based on that picture (and of course taste in these matters being subjective), perhaps you can find a happy medium between Hale (too deep) and Sea Serpent (too drab)?

  87. 87.

    Roger Moore

    June 30, 2023 at 8:18 pm

    @Tony G:

    That horse paste cures everything!

    Take a big enough dose, and you’ll never have to worry about anything ever again!

  88. 88.

    Martin

    June 30, 2023 at 8:19 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Wash the clothes, wait a few weeks/months for it to fade. Hope there isn’t another fire in the meantime. Ask people to reduce their carbon footprint, advocate for climate policies, etc.

  89. 89.

    Maxim

    June 30, 2023 at 8:19 pm

    @Kent: The middle one is too dark, I think. I tend to prefer saturated colors, which makes me lean toward the one on the right, but a slightly brighter shade might be more cheerful in the neighborhood, so the one on the left is also good.

  90. 90.

    Scout211

    June 30, 2023 at 8:20 pm

    @Kent: Change my vote to Sea Serpent.  Hale Navy is too dark.

  91. 91.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 8:21 pm

    @Maxim: Tom has a way with words, as we all well know.

  92. 92.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 8:22 pm

    @NotMax: I’ve used mine for years (since 2013?) With no issues or security problems at all.

    Does your bank offer Zelle? That’s also good for transfers to people you know have it.

  93. 93.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 8:23 pm

    @Chetan Murthy

    One might even go so far as to say it’s artful.
    ;)

  94. 94.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 8:24 pm

    @NotMax:

    @Kent

    Based on that picture (and of course taste in these matters being subjective), perhaps you can find a happy medium between Hale (too deep) and Sea Serpent (too drab)?

    What!  A choice of 1500 separate colors isn’t enough for you?  We have to start aiming for the in-betweens?  Ha….

    Those are all adjacent colors on the existing color spectrum  Newburyport Blue and Hale Navy are HC-154 and HC-155 in the Benjamin Moore color catalog.  Sherwin Williams is a different system but there is nothing acceptable that is close but not quite Sea Serpent.

    This is Miller Paint Asher Benjamin on a house over in Portland that is pretty similar.  But that involves a 3rd paint company  https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10159485070137950&set=pcb.10159485070267950

  95. 95.

    zhena gogolia

    June 30, 2023 at 8:25 pm

    @NotMax: Am I the only one who prefers Newburyport?

  96. 96.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 30, 2023 at 8:26 pm

    @CarolPW:

    One of the saddest things I have ever seen I saw today, on a pretty bad day for sad things. It was a NASA twitter post celebrating the contributions of their LGBTQI+ colleagues, followed 10 minutes later by a statement that to protect their people they were limiting comments on the thread. 

    Time to start offering free rocket rides for Trump trash.  I hear the Sun is nice any time of year.

  97. 97.

    karen marie

    June 30, 2023 at 8:27 pm

    @Kent:   This is such fun!  Thank you for sharing the choosing!

    Having now seen all three colors on your garage door, I’m again voting for Sea Serpent.  The first is too light, the second too dark, and Sea Serpent is just right!

  98. 98.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 8:28 pm

    @zhena gogolia: no, I do too.

    @Kent: I’ve used both Benjamin Moore and Sherwin Williams on houses, the performance is similar, and both have excellent color matching. Just have your painters get the choice you prefer matched.

  99. 99.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 30, 2023 at 8:30 pm

    @Scout211:

    “Temporary emergency measure,”

    That sounds to me like “Shit, it broke and we can’t fix it fast and I don’t want to admit I fucked up by firing the people who know why this happened.”

    Deliberate or not, yeah, just another circle as Twitter slides down the drain.

    @NotMax:

    Find it useful? Downsides? Horror stories?

    I have used PayPal many times to successfully send money.  Hook it up to your bank account immediately, or expect multi-day delays in sending money.  It is real, real iffy on receiving money, because PayPal has a history of freezing accounts with a lot of money in them, never saying why, and never releasing the money.

  100. 100.

    zhena gogolia

    June 30, 2023 at 8:32 pm

    @Frankensteinbeck: “Temporary emergency measure” / “special military operation”?

  101. 101.

    Jay

    June 30, 2023 at 8:34 pm

    @Scout211:

    It’s primer, which is basically a stain. It’s purpose is to make a solid bond between the surface and the “paint”. It’s porous, erodes if left as is.

    Paint forms a “hard coat”, so when it get’s ratty, to do a good job, you have to either sand it, or peel it, (harsh chemicals).

    Stain just washes away, like a self sloughing bottom paint on a billionaires yacht.

    Give it a quick wash and scrub, let it dry, and re-stain.

    Do one side a year, that’s a weekend job, the house will always look fresh.

    Had a house, shingled, built in 1873. Always stained. Had to replace 3 shingles in the 8 years we were there, and that includes the roof.

  102. 102.

    Kay

    June 30, 2023 at 8:34 pm

    @Kent:

    Except… the sea serpent looks better with the creamier white in the original sea serpent photo than it does with the bright white on the garage door sample so I regret this but now we have to talk about which white.

  103. 103.

    geg6

    June 30, 2023 at 8:34 pm

    @Kent:

    I like the Hale Navy.

  104. 104.

    Lyrebird

    June 30, 2023 at 8:35 pm

    @NotMax: I’m not enthusiastic about them sometimes encouraging me to get bitcoin, but knock on wood it has been a very easy and reliable service for us.

  105. 105.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 30, 2023 at 8:38 pm

    @JoyceH:

    Fox News claims the smoke problem is alarmism and smoke can’t hurt you. Have at it, guys. 

    They can go suck as many tailpipes as they want.  How about inhaling the shit from those “rolling coal” shitstains?  They can also go suck a rotted horse’s ass.

  106. 106.

    MomSense

    June 30, 2023 at 8:39 pm

    @satby:

    I had Newburyport Blue for my front door on my old farmhouse.  It was such a pretty color.

  107. 107.

    geg6

    June 30, 2023 at 8:41 pm

    @NotMax:

    I have one for buying and selling on eBay.  I have no complaints.

  108. 108.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    June 30, 2023 at 8:41 pm

    @Kent: I like the Newburyport one the best

  109. 109.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 8:42 pm

    Ok, I’ve delayed sharing the bad news long enough. After two occurrences of severe illnesses followed by several well days and then a relapse, we took Duke in for a couple of tests today and the likely diagnosis was lymphoma. Duke was starting to really suffer after a full month of this, so we said goodbye to our sweet rescue boy this afternoon. We’re taking some comfort in the almost 3 happy months he was able to be safe and loved in a home, and that his end came gently, and not a slow suffering of starvation and pain on the streets.

  110. 110.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 8:43 pm

    @Kent

    Very quick peek at Benjy’s site calls up some further possibilities for your perusal.

    Brazilian Blue

    Finley Blue

    Gentleman’s Gray (name a little misleading, it’s a muted tone but umistakably in the blue family)

  111. 111.

    Suzanne

    June 30, 2023 at 8:44 pm

    @satby: Oh no. I’m so, so sorry. Hugs.

  112. 112.

    indycat32

    June 30, 2023 at 8:44 pm

    @Kent: After seeing them side by side I change my vote to Newburyport.

  113. 113.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 8:45 pm

    @MomSense: that’s a good idea! I’ve been trying to decide a new color for my front storm door. The main door is glass and wood from 1908, so that’s not getting painted.

  114. 114.

    Chetan Murthy

    June 30, 2023 at 8:46 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: No no, Nooooo, you have it wrong, my friend. Fox is riiiight!  They need to keep broadcasting that shit excellent health-related advice!  I for one think all Fox News viewers need to see these reports on a heavy rotation: I’d suggest at least once an hour!

    [rubs hands gleefully, checks that his P100 respirator is in working order]

    ETA: It’s like the old (it would seem, correct) chestnut about how smokers save the government money in the long run, b/c they die sooner and hence don’t collect social security!

  115. 115.

    geg6

    June 30, 2023 at 8:46 pm

    @satby:

    Oh no!  I’m so sorry.  You gave him a loving and peaceful end of life.  {{hugs}}

  116. 116.

    Lyrebird

    June 30, 2023 at 8:47 pm

    @satby: oh, (ETA: so very sorry to hear that) Duke is over the rainbow bridge, and you have the heartbreak here in this world…

    Glad you are here, sorry it is a sad time.  Nothing I can tell you that you don’t know way better, but I want to add my comment and my good wishes for comfort.

  117. 117.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 8:48 pm

    @Kay:

    @Kent:

    Except… the sea serpent looks better with the creamier white in the original sea serpent photo than it does with the bright white on the garage door sample so I regret this but now we have to talk about which white.

    Yeah, the white is just a placeholder.  Once we find the perfect body color we can find the best white to go with it.  But I think a warmer creamier tint will work better than a colder gray tinted white.

  118. 118.

    zhena gogolia

    June 30, 2023 at 8:49 pm

    @satby: I’m so sorry!

  119. 119.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 30, 2023 at 8:49 pm

    @satby:

    Oh, Satby, no. I’m so sorry. Lucky Duke, to be loved and cared for by you, and released from his suffering as your final kindness to him. Hugs and tears.

  120. 120.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 8:49 pm

    @Suzanne: Thank you. We have no regrets (other than picking the first vet) because he did get most of June in ok health. But each relapse was worse, so we knew something more was going on. Rescue stinks sometimes. He was very much someone’s pet at one time, how he ended up on the street is a mystery.

    Edit: and thanks to all of you. I’m sad, if course, but it was such a relief to see him out of pain before the end.

  121. 121.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 8:50 pm

    @TriassicSands: I approve! 😁

  122. 122.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 30, 2023 at 8:52 pm

    @Chetan Murthy: Point taken.

  123. 123.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 30, 2023 at 8:53 pm

    @satby: I’m sorry.

  124. 124.

    Bee Girl

    June 30, 2023 at 8:53 pm

    @Kent:

    Sea Serpent is a beautiful color, very rich with the green undertones. Best color name of the three as well which tends to add weight to a color’s favor when I have to pick one.

    And Kay is correct. A creamier white for the trim better complements this color’s tone/hue value.

  125. 125.

    NotMax

    June 30, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    @satby

    Pleased as punch with the look of Mustard Olive on the newish solid core front door. Maybe work on the storm door?

    In direct sunlight it tends towards the soft amber side of the scale, When overcast or in the late afternoon light of day more towards a tinge of avocado.

    Darkens as it dries. When first applied looks disconcertingly garish.

  126. 126.

    RevRick

    June 30, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    Svante Arrhenius must be rolling in his grave, screaming I told you so! He won a Nobel Prize in Chemistry and even has an equation named for him, but we’ll remember his obscure 1896 paper claiming that fossil fuel combustion would eventually lead to global warming. He suggested a doubling of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere would lead to a 5 degree temperature rise.
    What a killjoy.

  127. 127.

    Sure Lurkalot

    June 30, 2023 at 9:06 pm

    @Kent:

    Once we find the perfect body color we can find the best white to go with it.

    Separated from the house paint discussion, this sentence is intriguing!

    Seriously, the “white” selection at a paint store is ridiculous. And I like this sort of stuff.

  128. 128.

    Kent

    June 30, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    FYI, anyone going through the same paint color search as us should be aware of this site where you can display two different brands side-by-side.  I’m not sure how accurate it is though since the sheen and light makes a difference compared to what you see on your computer monitor.  For example, here is Sea Serpent and Hale Navy compared.  In real life they are more different than this

    https://hextoral.com/side-by-side/sea-serpent-sw-7615-vs-hale-navy-hc-154/

  129. 129.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    June 30, 2023 at 9:12 pm

    @zhena gogolia: no, I liked it the best too!

  130. 130.

    prostratedragon

    June 30, 2023 at 9:12 pm

    @Kent:  I liked the two darker colors with white trim better, though any choice wold be nice. Favorite: Sea Serpent. Blue, but just enough green to harmonize with the foliage.

  131. 131.

    Geminid

    June 30, 2023 at 9:24 pm

    @Jackie: Early polls suggest that Ruben Gallego will have no problem beating Sinema (if she runs). Sinema came in third in half a dozen polls, with 14 to 21%. Sinema is a known quantity in that state, and it’s hard to see how she can turn this around.

    Gallego is polling ahead of several possible Republican candidates as well, in two-way and three-way matchups.

    An OH Predictive poll released in February showed Gallego to be the only candidate with  a net-positive approval rating. Five potential Republican candidates and Sinema were “underwater.”

    Phoenix-based OH Predictive does a lot of Arizona polling and seem to have a good track record.

  132. 132.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 30, 2023 at 9:24 pm

    @satby:

    You are Good People.

  133. 133.

    MomSense

    June 30, 2023 at 9:28 pm

    @Kent:

    What direction does the front of your house face?  I had a south facing front door and it made the Newburyport blue pop a bit more.
    I would buy some samples and paint small sections in your top three colors and see how they look in the light.

  134. 134.

    prostratedragon

    June 30, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    @satby:  Ah, me. Sorry to hear this. But at least he found a safe harbor with you.

  135. 135.

    MomSense

    June 30, 2023 at 9:31 pm

    @Kent:

    The siding and trim on my farmhouse was sail cloth with the Newburyport blue front door and it worked for a 200+ House.  There were no straight lines so having the siding and trim different colors would have looked seussical.

  136. 136.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    “Justices who killed student loan forgiveness can’t even follow financial ethics law: Bush ethics lawyer”

    “Former Bush White House ethics czar Richard Painter once coached Supreme Court Justices Samuel Alito and John Roberts on ethics ahead of their confirmation hearings. Now, he is disgusted with the state of the court whose nominees he helped advise.”

    “He appeared on MSNBC to rage against their inability to follow basic ethics, following a controversial term of decisions against a backdrop of scandal, with multiple Republican justices caught accepting luxury gifts and travel, and their families accepting paid commissions, from billionaires and interest groups with litigation before the court.”

    Snip

    “Painter specifically recommended establishing an Office of Inspector General for the Supreme Court, as exists for numerous executive agencies, as well as a full-time ethics lawyer advising the justices.”

    “”The situation we have right now is a mess,” said Painter. “We have justices who can’t even fill out their financial disclosure form and determine the Ethics Act of 1978 themselves, and yet they are interpreting a law that applies to every single American. They interpreted the HEROES Act of 2003 to wipe out President Biden’s student loan forgiveness program? They can’t even figure out their own financial disclosure forms and figure out the law there, why are they determining the United States Constitution and federal statutes for the rest of America. This Supreme Court needs to clean up its act.””

    https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-ethics-law/

    Worth watching the YouTube video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-H-eAU3SA8https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-H-eAU3SA8

  137. 137.

    Dorothy A. Winsor

    June 30, 2023 at 9:44 pm

    @Kent: Paint companies think up the most creative names of any business I know.

  138. 138.

    Betsy

    June 30, 2023 at 9:46 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Isn’t that, um, lye?

  139. 139.

    KrackenJack

    June 30, 2023 at 9:51 pm

    @satby: ​
     So sorry, Satby. You did a great thing for him by being there for him. Take care of yourself.

    Now I’m all teary in the checkout line.

  140. 140.

    Betty

    June 30, 2023 at 9:56 pm

    @Kent: I vote for the Newburyport blue. Hope it works out.

  141. 141.

    Jackie

    June 30, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @satby: Oh, satby, I’m so sorry! Thank you for giving him a quality, loving end of life. He knew he was loved at last.

  142. 142.

    Ken

    June 30, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @Dorothy A. Winsor: And they change them yearly. It somewhat bemuses me that there are people who make up new color names for a living.

    (Though of course the only thing that actually changes is the black or white overprinting on the paint chips. It will always be D-1229 in the company’s computer, and always be 4 PG, 6 PY, 1 PBk in the medium-tint base to the hardware store.)

  143. 143.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 10:00 pm

    @NotMax: I like that! Have to get a swatch and see how it goes with the brick though. That’s the challenge.

  144. 144.

    satby

    June 30, 2023 at 10:01 pm

    And thanks again everyone.

  145. 145.

    KrackenJack

    June 30, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    @Kent: ​
      Release the Krac…I mean Sea Serpent. Although if it was McHale’s Navy, I’d go with that.

    Full disclosure: KrackenJill retains veto power over my wardrobe choices.

  146. 146.

    mrmoshpotato

    June 30, 2023 at 10:15 pm

    @Betsy: Isn’t what lye – campfire ash?

  147. 147.

    Betsy

    June 30, 2023 at 11:17 pm

    @mrmoshpotato: Tea. Made as you describe with campfire ashes.

    The end product of putting hot water through wood ash is lye.

    Is this a thing? No one should be drinking this?

  148. 148.

    Kent

    July 1, 2023 at 1:37 am

    @MomSense:What direction does the front of your house face?  I had a south facing front door and it made the Newburyport blue pop a bit more.
    I would buy some samples and paint small sections in your top three colors and see how they look in the light.

    Front of the house faces Southeast so it gets morning sun but not afternoon sun.

    I expect this is a dead thread.  I’ve been out shuttling the 17 year old across the Portland metro for a sleepover.  These complicated blended families mean when the daughter’s friend is with her dad she is way across the metro area.

  149. 149.

    scribbler

    July 1, 2023 at 7:01 am

    @satby:  This is such sad news.  You brought him warmth, safety and love at the end.

  150. 150.

    TerryC

    July 1, 2023 at 8:39 am

    @Dan B: I would love to see a pic of your fences! I used Hardipanels for disc golf tee pads.

  151. 151.

    StringOnAStick

    July 1, 2023 at 10:15 am

    @Kent: The only problem with any very dark paint colour is it doesn’t last as long as far as sun damage goes.  It feels and fades quicker, supposedly because it absorbs more heat.  It could be a pigment stability issue too.

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