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Updated 4:32pm, USA Today, “Mark Meadows seeks to delay surrender, asks federal court to block his Georgia arrest”:

Mark Meadows, the former White House chief of staff who was indicted in Georgia with Donald Trump, filed an urgent request Tuesday for a federal court to block his arrest while deciding whether to move his case from state to federal court.

The move came after Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis refused to grant an extension to his scheduled surrender by noon Friday.

Meadows had argued in his lawsuit that he should be immune from Fulton County charges because the allegations covered allegations that were part of his duties as a federal official. If the case is moved to federal court, Meadows argued the charges should be dismissed.

Another defendant, Jeffrey Clark, a former assistant attorney general, has also made this argument…

Meadows argued in his filing that U.S. District Judge Steve Jones could either move the case urgently to federal court or to prohibit Willis from arresting him. Jones declined Aug. 16, a day after Meadows filed his lawsuit, to immediately rule in his favor.

Willis is scheduled to reply Wednesday to Meadows’ and Clark’s filings…

To further complicate the scenario, it was just this morning that HuffPost reported “‘Sung Like A Canary’: Ex-GOP Lawmaker Names Trump Insider Who Flipped”:

Former Rep. David Jolly (R-Fla.) said there’s one name Donald Trump needs to fear as the criminal cases against him move forward: Mark Meadows.

“I served with Mark Meadows. I know Mark Meadows,” Jolly told MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace on Monday. “And I believe today that Mark Meadows has sung like a canary already.”

Meadows was Trump’s White House chief of staff for much of his final year in office, and was in that role as Trump worked feverishly to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

Jolly said Meadows isn’t “somebody who wants to go to prison for Donald Trump.”

Meadows has been largely silent in public for months, was barely mentioned in the Jan. 6 indictment against Trump, and has reportedly delivered damaging information when questioned.

That’s led many to speculate that he’s flipped.

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who is running against Trump for the Republican presidential nomination, said earlier this month that Meadows “has all the looks of a cooperating witness” and could deliver some of the “worst testimony” against the former president given how involved he was.

But Meadows was also among the 19 people indicted in the Georgia election interference case, which some believe is an indication to the contrary.

“I don’t think he’s flipped,” former U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said on “This Week” on Sunday. “We have a situation in which he has been charged in the Georgia case and it’s unlikely that you’re charged and defendant in one case, but you flipped in a related case.”…

(Full MSNBC video at the link.)

Is it still considered ‘flipping’ when a perp steps on his own tongue, trying to keep various narratives aligned while pleasing every other participant and still inflating his own importance?

Because in my opinion, that’s how Mark Meadows would be most likely to end up getting himself, and the bigger fish he trawled after, sent up the river.

Earlier snippets, demonstrating how much Meadows wanted everyone to know he was In the Room When It Happened:

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  2. 2.

    patrick II

    Jolly said Meadows isn’t “somebody who wants to go to prison for Donald Trump.”

    A good way to avoid that would be to not commit crimes for Donald Trump.

  5. 5.

    Jeffro

    @Baud: Why are government officials doing anything election related in the first place?

    Why wouldn’t a billionaire who’s “losing money” by graciously doing us a favor by serving as our president not want to just go back to making big bucks and heckling from the sidelines on social media?

    So many questions…

  6. 6.

    bbleh

    Given reporting on the subject and remarks by actually knowledgeable people — Wheeler, Bharara, et al — I’m kinda skeptical of assertions by one former wingnut Congress-critter and one deeply corrupt former Governor.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the federal court gives him until after the Monday hearing … and THEN tells him to get his ass to Fulton County.  But y’never know, and in any case it’s great entertainment!

  7. 7.

    Another Scott

    @Baud: Because Donnie didn’t want to be Loooser McLoooserman.

    Fear of being a loser is one of his many, many pathologies.

    HTH!!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  9. 9.

    bbleh

    @Baud: pretty sure I read somewhere that this is considered one of the crucial flaws in Meadows’s attempt to get the case moved to Federal court.  Perhaps it’s arguable that, as CoS, Meadows would be tangentially involved in political matters — arranging schedules, managing the flow of paperwork, working out conflicts with governmental duties — but ain’t no way taking an ACTIVE ROLE in campaign activities (as which I would say planning an insurrection in support of an autogolpe qualifies) could be considered part of his duties as a Federal official (and depending on when & where it occurred, might even be a violation of the Hatch Act).

    Jayzus what a bunch of WEASELS.  Rabid ones.  Starting at the very top.

  10. 10.

    Albatrossity

    @Baud:

    Why are government officials doing anything election related in the first place?

    Maybe because confessing to Hatch Act violations carries less of a penalty than a racketeering conviction?

  11. 11.

    smith

    In other Mark Meadows news, FTFNYT confirmed what we’ve suspected, that Meadows is cooperating with Jack Smith. However, they describe it as a strategy to provide limited information as a “neutral” witness, neither for the defense nor the prosecution. They imply there hasn’t been a formal deal. IANAL, and really can’t figure out from this whether Meadows expects to escape federal prosecution for his role in the coup. There will be a firestorm if he does.

  15. 15.

    smith

    @bbleh: Even more than that, elections are run by the states. Why would a federal official have any role at all in the mechanics of a state function?

  16. 16.

    Jeffro

    side note: this is just what passes for normal these days

    ho hum, Fox ‘News”, just casually looking for the Republican nominee to support

    This account of how the sit-down between Trump and Carlson came to be is based on interviews with half a dozen current and former Fox News employees and Trump advisers, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the relationship between the two men.

    For Trump, the interview allows him the chance to steal the spotlight away from lower-polling rivals even as he stays off the stage of the RNC-sponsored debate. It also is a not-so-subtle jab at Fox, the network that helped build his political career but has lately been shopping for another Republican candidate to unofficially back in the presidential primary.

    Fox = Murdoch, but yeah.

    Wasn’t President Obama needled multiple times for noting that Fox ‘News’ is anything but?

    I had no idea a ‘news’ network was allowed to go out shopping for a candidate to back.

    IOKIYAR applies to networks, too.

  18. 18.

    Van Buren

    Seems to imply that some DO want to go to prison for TFG.

    Whatever float your boat, no kink shaming, etc., etc.

  19. 19.

    bbleh

    @smith: and indeed that’s one of the other points I read somewhere about.  On this particular one it was said he’s going for the Nuremberg Defense: oh I was just setting up calls and arranging things with people cuz the boss told me to, and my federal job is doing that for the boss.  But the problem is as you point out: the boss got no business doing that and you oughta know it.

  22. 22.

    bbleh

    @Jeffro: this is why I’m kinda interested in the tack the Fox “moderators” take at the “debate.”  Are they gonna push the candidates to dis Trump?  Do they maybe already have one or two they’re interested in giving the spotlight?

  23. 23.

    Baud

    The battle for bronze.

    Eight Republicans have qualified for the party’s first 2024 presidential primary debate Wednesday night, the Republican National Committee announced Monday evening.

     

    The list includes North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, former Vice President Mike Pence, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott.

  25. 25.

    Betty Cracker

    Have y’all heard about Pillow Guy’s latest insane scheme to stop the ghost of Hugo Chavez from slithering through the internet to flip tabulations in voting machines? It defies brief summary, but basically, he says he’s deploying special internet connection-sniffing DRONES to every polling place and a deranged army of volunteers to cry foul when a connection is detected.

  26. 26.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    Remember when Rashida Tlaib called Meadows racist behavior out and he started to cry:

    Tempers flared between progressive Rashida Tlaib and conservative Mark Meadows on Wednesday after the freshman Democrat denounced a move by Meadows to use a black administration employee as ‘a prop’ to prove that President Donald Trump is not racist at a hearing.

    ***

    Tlaib said. “And it is insensitive that some would even say — the fact that some would actually use a prop, a black woman in this chamber in this committee is alone racist in itself.”

    Meadows immediately fought back, speaking over Tlaib to request her comments be stricken from the record.

    “Mr. Chairman I ask that her words be taken down!” Meadows said, calling out to Chair Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), who is black. “The rules are clear!”

  32. 32.

    smith

    @Baud: Here’s hoping someone asks Asa (who?) Hutchinson about his comments that TFG might be ineligible to hold office under the 14th Amendment.

    “I’m not even sure he’s qualified to be the next president of the United States,” Hutchinson said of Trump. “And so you can’t be asking us to support somebody that’s not perhaps even qualified under our Constitution. And I’m referring to the 14th Amendment. A number of legal scholars said that he is disqualified because of his actions on January 6.”

  37. 37.

    Betty Cracker

    @Baud: One thing I’m thoroughly enjoying about the Trump 2024 shit-show is the exquisite discomfort and mortal peril of the RNC and Fox News. I hope Ronna R. McDaniel and Rupert Murdoch wake up screaming, “You knew damn well I was a snake before you let me in!” every night.

  38. 38.

    geg6

    @smith:

    I read that Christie “finessed” the question by saying he expected that Trump wouldn’t be the nominee and that he’d probably be in jail, so he could answer yes honestly.
    Pull the other one Chris.

  39. 39.

    Gravenstone

    @Wyatt Salamanca: after dumping his Trump PAC-funded lawyer

    Wonder what the final total number of lawyers who decided to throw away their own careers by giving unethical/illegal advice to their clients in furtherance of Trump’s wishes will end up being?

  40. 40.

    Ken

    @smith: a strategy [for Meadows] to provide limited information as a “neutral” witness

    Trump doesn’t recognize neutral, and any evidence against him would be betrayal. I predict that in a few months we’ll hear about Meadows begging Smith to let him testify in exchange for life imprisonment, far away from the enraged cultists.

  42. 42.

    Mai Naem mobileI

    I am guessing the ketchup at MarALago is kept under lock and key and only in packets, only to be dispensed by waitstaff for TFG.  The walls are closing in. I would feel bad for him but he’s such an asshole I just cannot feel even a tiny but of sympathy for him.

  43. 43.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    OK, I admit I haven’t read the full filing, but Mark Meadows’ lawyers are arguing he would suffer irreparable harm by being arrested.  How can they say this with a straight face?  His reputation?  I mean, that’s out in public.  He’s too old to wind up on the Group W bench.  I’m being only partly facetious here.  BJ lawyers, a question for you: does this make any sense?

  44. 44.

    Raoul Paste

    D. A Willis must’ve enjoyed starting her letter with. “ Good morning, Mr Moran”

  45. 45.

    delphinium

    @Betty Cracker: Geez, it could be Victor Hugo’s ghost for all the sense that guy makes. He may want to think about adjusting his meds before the men/women with white coats show up.

  46. 46.

    Bill Arnold

    @Betty Cracker:
    In case people think you are exaggerating:
    Wi-Fi sniffers strapped to drones—Mike Lindell’s odd plan to stop election fraud- Lindell wants to fly drones near polling places to monitor voting machines. (JON BRODKIN, AUG 18, 2023)
    Phone hotspots at busy polling places would be fun-generators if this actually happens.
    I have a friend who does(or at least did) (among related auditing) hardcore security evaluations for voting machines. Haven’t talked to him about Lindell, yet.

  47. 47.

    Jackie

    @smith: Their word is as good as TIFG’s word was in ‘16. Christy said as much, and several others silently agree.

    It’s a stupid RNC/Ronna rule to kiss TIFG’s ass.

  48. 48.

    scav

    Is this the same upstanding lawyer that seems to insist his professional code of ethics requires him to do even illegal things in order to protect his client?  I suspect not, but the essential reasoning and sense of affront at their being any consequences for their actions seems endemic to the tribe.

  49. 49.

    Citizen_X

    @Wyatt Salamanca: Wait, you can do this? You can retract your testimony?

     

    “Uh, your Honor? You know that stuff I said last time, when I was under oath? Can I take that back? Yes, I was lying last time, uh-huh, but this time I’m telling the truth!”

  50. 50.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch:

    Remember when Rashida Tlaib called Meadows racist behavior out and he started to cry:

    Yes, I remember Meadows’ hysterical reaction to Tlaib’s comments.

    I also remember Chris Hayes airing video of Meadows speaking at a rally during the 2012 campaign when he told an audience “We’re going to send Obama back to Kenya”.

    Meadows’ Kenya comments come at 2:19 in the video below

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HEfi_bUbdI

  53. 53.

    sdhays

    @geg6: Good for him. The pledge is insulting and lacks any teeth. “Chris Christie lied about supporting any Republican nominee? To the fainting couch!” says no one.

  58. 58.

    bbleh

    CNN hed (in BIG font) right now:

    Mark Meadows asks for court order to avoid arrest in Georgia

    “Aw yeah, no big deal.  Former White House Chiefs of Staff do this all the time! Arrest, emergency court appeals, really, nothing to see here …”

  59. 59.

    brendancalling

    Since this is an open thread, I’ll say that early 80s DC hardcore bands Reagan Youth and Youth Brigade deserve your attention. So different, so much pushing the envelope, so… so weird.

    Also, since it’s an open thread, I’ve started training for my second ever marathon, right here in lovely Philly, 11/19/2023. I need to buy new shoes. Mine are worn out. The ones I want—On Cloudmonsters—are $170.00. I’m doing layaway like it’s the 1980s.

  60. 60.

    piratedan

    with these guys I could totally believe that Meadows flipped for the Feds and didn’t believe that there was a threat of any of the states bringing their own charges…

  62. 62.

    bbleh

    @brendancalling: (1) wow good on ya! it’s always a challenge, and training for it even more so, but it’s tremendously satisfying.  (2) be prepared for the course: Philly’s mostly (tho not entirely) flat but a lot of it has few/no crowds, and there’s a damn hill at the end.  (3) good running shoes are worth every damn dime.

  64. 64.

    divF

    @Alison Rose: I am delighted to see Maggie Gee get honored this way. I first met her in 1976, when I worked as a summer student with someone in the code development group she was in at Lawrence Livermore. I got to know her pretty well over the years, since she was also my Ph.D. thesis advisor’s next-door neighbor in Berkeley.

    One of the last times I saw her was the day of my father’s funeral at Arlington Cemetery. We were hosting a buffet dinner for the people coming to the funeral in the Military Women’s Memorial  (anyone could do that on a space-available basis), and Maggie walked by, visiting the exhibit they had on the Women’s Air Force Service Pilots (WASPs), in which she had served in during WW II. I asked her why she was here. She showed me the Congressional Gold Medal for her service as a WASP that she had just received that morning, adding with a twinkle in her eye, “Nancy was finally able to put this through”. “Nancy” was Nancy Pelosi – Maggie was a long-time Bay Area Democratic Party activist, and was on a first-name basis with Pelosi. I have a picture of Maggie from that day standing in front of a poster-sized version of her WASP service ID photo that was part of the exhibit.

  65. 65.

    Suzanne

    @brendancalling: I’m gonna attempt the Pittsburgh half-marathon next year. I’d like to take up cycling, but I don’t need an expensive hobby. Running shoes are expensive enough!

  66. 66.

    bbleh

    @Alison Rose: or perhaps it’s a real sign, and they think it’s a snarky rhetorical question.

    It takes a firm belief in democracy to say that they deserve a vote just like anyone else …

  67. 67.

    prostratedragon

    @bbleh:  “Weasel” defines this phase of things. And Mark Meadows is zooming up near the top of my own list.😠

  70. 70.

    Jay

    @Ken:

    “Where is the Clitorus?

    Big banner at the front of the march, but I don’t think that’s the Proud Boys, I think based on the shields it’s one of the other Nazi Groups, Identity Europa.

  73. 73.

    BeautifulPlumage

    “….It’s taking distraction away from the focus on the debate. And I’d just like to see somebody try to stop Don Jr. and me from going someplace.” – Kimberly Guilfoyle, this afternoon from Joe My God. She is so embarrassing and obnoxious.

     

     Content Warning – photo of her.

  75. 75.

    Jay

    @Alison Rose:

    IMHO, guys who look good in a trimmed beard or goatee, tend to also look good, with out.

    Guy’s who look better in a neckbeard, would also look much better in a chewbacca suit.

  77. 77.

    Wapiti

    @piratedan: Yeah, was wondering the exact same thing: if someone gets immunity from the Feds and then gets charged by a state on a related, but separate, crime, how fucked is he?

  79. 79.

    Kathleen

    @brendancalling: Good luck! I’d love to do another marathon (or half for that matter). Do you train with a group? Also, I’ve wondered about the Cloudmonsters. Are they THAT good? (sounds like they are).

    Thanks for your post. I think you’ve motivated me to start thinking about a half and getting fitted for those shoes.

  82. 82.

    laura

    The Caucasity- the balls of these guys! I hope they are “All the Many Splendered Things” fucked because they put in the effort to imisserate my friends, neighbors and Mind Your Business peeps for their reasons.

    They Are Weaker Than Us.

  83. 83.

    kalakal

    @BeautifulPlumage:

    Everytime I see a photo of her she looks even more plastic and inhuman. And it’s deliberate

    I can’t imagine anyone looking at their media coverage and seeing that as their image and going “Yep, looks good! Maybe another trowel of eyeliner next time?”

    Who does that to themselves?

  84. 84.

    Geminid

    @divF: There is a WASP Museum just outside of Sweetwater, Texas that’s worth visiting. I stumbled across it on a trip to New Mexico.

    Barry Goldwater flew along WASP pilots during the war and was instrumental in gaining them the veteran’s benefits they manifestly deserved. Jimmy Carter signed the legislation into law.

  89. 89.

    Jackie

    If I DVR the debate but don’t watch it, will it count as viewing for FAUX?

    I hate FAUX – don’t watch, but I’m willing to do my tiny bit to help them get a MUCH LARGER viewer ratings than TIFG/Tuckems on EXTwitter!

  90. 90.

    BeautifulPlumage

    @kalakal: they must have installed a fun-house mirror where she does her makeup – it is getting worse. And the filler in the lips! Uhg

  92. 92.

    jonas

    @Betty Cracker:   but basically, he says he’s deploying special internet connection-sniffing DRONES to every polling place and a deranged army of volunteers to cry foul when a connection is detected.

    That sounds awful complicated. Can’t he just organize like a massive prayer chain or something to draw a circle of spiritual protection around the ballot boxes?

  94. 94.

    Mr. Bemused Senior

    @BeautifulPlumage: reminds me of

    Marco Rubio: And let’s dispel once and for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing.

    He repeated it too. The exact wording. Oh well, as BC knows, it’s Florida.

  95. 95.

    Geminid

    @divF:

     

    @Geminid: The WASP museum is located at Avenger Field, which was used a lot by WASP pilots shuttling aircraft from factories to Army Air Corps bases. It’s kind of in the middle of nowhere, a few miles off of I-20 on the highway to Lubbock. They had a great calender with pictures of WASP pilots and the airplanes they flew, These can be mail ordered, and make good presents for oneself or friends. I got three for friends and they really liked them.

  99. 99.

    sdhays

    I hope after Mark is convicted of trying to subvert the United States government and is dealt a hefty sentence, he gets hauled off to another court in North Carolina where he is forced to explain how voting there, where he didn’t even rent a real house let alone live, and voting in Virginia is not voter fraud.

  100. 100.

    wjca

    @Van Buren:

    Seems to imply that some DO want to go to prison for TFG.

    I don’t think they actually want to go to prison for him.  It’s more that they are under the illusion that he will win and pardon them.  Ignoring that:

    a) He doesn’t pay his debts.  Unless you can hurt him if he doesn’t — see his pardons of guys who could testify against him just before leaving office.

    b) In any case, even if he was President, he wouldn’t be able to pardon them for state charges.  But perhaps they’re simply too dumb to realize that.

    So, from their perspective in fantasy land, perjury for him is just good business sense.  Because it positions them to grift in the next administration.

  102. 102.

    dirge

    @Betty Cracker: …he says he’s deploying special internet connection-sniffing DRONES to every polling place…

    @Alison Rose: Oh no. We are all done for. I am scared.

    Actually, I think this should be taken somewhat seriously.  He says he’s going to use drones and/or volunteers to position hacking devices of unknown origin in or near sensitive government facilities nationwide.  If that’s not a total fraud, then it’s a legitimate cybersecurity threat.

    While I’m comfortable writing off Pillow Idiot as a joke, I’m less sure about whoever is supplying these devices.  I’m guessing it’s just some amateur “cybersecurity consultancy” run by the grifting nephew of some third rate GOP hanger on, trying to pass along off-the-shelf hardware at a 10x markup, to every wannabe cybersleuth in the MAGA crowd.

    However, there’s a real possibility that foreign intelligence is involved, or will get involved as soon they see the thing’s got legs.  I mean, where’s a grifting nephew going to get 40,000 of these things anyway?  I suspect he’ll be approached by a variety of international entrepreneurs offering implausibly lucrative deals.

    Probably nothing, but I’m hoping the appropriate authorities are watching closely, just in case.

  103. 103.

    Redshift

    Meadows had argued in his lawsuit that he should be immune from Fulton County charges because the allegations covered allegations that were part of his duties as a federal official. If the case is moved to federal court, Meadows argued the charges should be dismissed.

    I only learned this week how “removal” to federal court works, but I’m as much an Internet lawyer as anyone else. I’m a little mystified why Meadows and his lawyers think moving to federal court will result in the case being dismissed. Removal doesn’t change anything but the judge and (later) the jury pool – it’ll still be the same (state) charges and the same prosecutors. It’s not like the TFG lawsuit going away based on “official duties” because you can’t sue the federal government – these are criminal charges.

  104. 104.

    wjca

    @HumboldtBlue:

    Phillies walk it off bottom nine against the Giants! Big win!

    When, as the Giants did, you start the last 3 innings with a hit batsman (7th), a walk (8th), and another hit batsman (9th), you gotta expect bad outcomes.

  105. 105.

    Geminid

    @sdhays: Are you sure Meadows actually voted using the bogus North Carolina address? I thought Meadows’wife voted in North Carolina but Meadows did not vote there, just registered.

  106. 106.

    wjca

    @Geminid:

    Barry Goldwater flew along WASP pilots during the war and was instrumental in gaining them the veteran’s benefits they manifestly deserved. Jimmy Carter signed the legislation into law.

    Ah for the days when you could be a (very) conservative Republican without being misogynistic scum!

  107. 107.

    Shalimar

    @Citizen_X: Most plea deals involve admissions that previous statements were lies.  Being an admitted liar is a credibility issue at trial, but a common one prosecutors are used to weighing.

  108. 108.

    Princess

    @piratedan: wow, I hunk you’re right. He flipped for the fed and thought that covered him. It explains his outrage and why he’s so desperate to get the charges shifted.

  109. 109.

    Princess

    @BeautifulPlumage: I don’t think there’s been enough attention on the reasons why Trump is too scared to attend and participate in this debate himself. This is a crowd of also-Rand. 2015/16 Trump would crush these people like a bug. And yet he’s afraid to face them.

    given that every accusation is projection with him, I can only conclude that he is a much diminished man in the way he claims Biden to be. Of course the media is giving him a complete pass.

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