Well this both confirms everything you suspected and were afraid of:
The email detailed that the Oath Keepers security detail would be composed of “primarily retired law enforcement/former military members who are very pro-LEO [law enforcement officer] and Pro Trump. Their stated purpose is to provide protection and medical attention to Trump supporters if they come under attack by leftist groups.”
The Secret Service member who spoke to Rhodes even admitted to other members in the agency that he was an Oath Keeper himself. “I am the unofficial liaison to the Oath Keepers (inching towards official),” he wrote.
The CREW report confirms Rhodes’ claims last year that the far-right group had a contact within the Secret Service. Rhodes admitted this during his trial, when he was charged with seditious conspiracy for attempting to stop Joe Biden’s presidential win.
The right wing fanatics are embedded in every aspect of law enforcement and the military, and that’s to say nothing of the whole constitutional sheriff mess. And they need to be outed. Period.
There is no way that Kamala Harris is safe around Oath Keepers. They probably won’t ever do anything to Biden, but should something happen to him, I would legit be afraid to have a security service with an oath keeper in it “protecting” her.
I’m sure this also has nothing to do with the Secret Service deleting texts from January 6 when a watchdog asked for them.
Fraud Guy
“They need to be outed” and ousted.
Baud
This place is hopping tonight.
lee
Always remember that Biden brought in Secret Service from his time as VP to replace Trump’s.
Biden was well aware of this problem.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud:
Everyone seems to feel safer now that Prigozhin is dead.
MattF
We were lucky that these American Brown Shirts were never really well organized. All preening and shaking-of-fists.
sab
Cleveland Ohio had a starting class at their police academy of 12. Then 3 of them just dropped out. Not cop material, or don’t want to be Cleveland cops? One of them was Jayland Walker’s best friend, who wanted to be a cop but not an Akron cop after what they did to Jayland.
sab
@lee: Quietly savvy.
ETA Biden has always been quiet. Dark Brandon gives him an alter ego to let his dark side out. I love it, because I want him to respond but I don’t want him to lose his bright side. To me that is who he is.
Alison Rose
@lee: That’s a good thing to be reminded of. I sure as hell hope anyone guarding Harris has been vetted to the moon and back.
MagdaInBlack
@Alison Rose: I would like to think that Biden made sure they were vetted, as you say, ” to the moon and back.”
MisterDancer
#BlackLivesMatter was right.
And frankly, I suspect we have similar issues in the DoJ that’s a real reason the work to deal with Jan6 is so long and tedious. Not because Garland is as asshole, but because he and his team has to work around anyone in the Department sympathetic to Alt-Right ideas.
But because that’s hard to determine and involves agreeing that racism impacts Justice in America…well. It’s easier to scapegoat one man, than all the fuckwits like these Secret Service wankers elsewhere in the Federal LEOs.
(Not everything is about Race. But a depressing amount of bullshit rolls up to it.)
Suzanne
@lee: Does the president get to select his detail? What about MVP?
Baud
This guy apparently chose to represent himself.
Anoniminous
It all makes sense once you know the modern US police grew out of the Colonial slave patrols.
Roger Moore
@MattF:
It’s worth checking out what happened to the original Brown Shirts when their usefulness had come to an end. I don’t think the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys would do any better than the SA once Trump really felt confident as dictator.
Alison Rose
@Baud:
So, he’s also a beer-swilling rapist? Weird thing to be proud of.
blindyone
@Baud: May you live in interesting times is supposed to be more of a curse than a blessing, right? I think we are.
Anoniminous
@MisterDancer:
Slavery.
Quite a lot of what is fucked up about the US starts with slavery.
M31
Major knew.
sab
OT Talking today about elementary school in Florida in the 1960s ( so much fun, a wonderland) and her elementary school in Ohio eleven years later ( horrifying. Beat up by a classmate every day who was acting out because she was being raped every day.) Baby sister and classmate told everyone from their parents to their school officials and not one single adult believed them.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: I know I do!
Steve in the Queen City (but which one????)
wjca
@Fraud Guy:
Formally, and officially, fired for cause. No “resigned for personal reasons” or other smokescreen.
Tony G
With this level of rot in the Secret Service, the logical thing would be to force them all to re-apply for their jobs, with a full vetting process to weed out the right-wing traitors. That won’t happen, of course.
Suzanne
WTF HAPPENED TO TREY GOWDY’S HAIR?!
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Hence my use of the post-nominal “in the WTF.”
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: it is admirably efficient
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steve in the ATL: Elizabeth, New Jersey?
Citizen Scientist
@Steve in the ATL: my bet is Cincinnati. *
*Not an actual bet, but I’ve seen the big ‘Queen City’ sign there.
Suzanne
DeSantis already looks like he doesn’t have enough fiber in his diet.
sab
@sab: If your child or your sibling is behaving wildly out of character you need to probe. Something is happening there and a child needs your help.
Baud
@Suzanne:
Are you counting the “wokes” tonight?
Alison Rose
@M31: LOL
sab
@sab: Context: talking with my baby sister, eleven years younger than me. Grew up in a different state.
ETA Just a random get in touch with your sibling phone call and this came out. I was another person who failed them.
MisterDancer
@Anoniminous: Yes chattle enslavement of my ancestors triggered off a lot of shit. But also keep in mind it’s 1830’s Boston that sees the 1st formal citywide police force. And although I’m sure they were racist as fuck, I doubt they were patrolling for slaves.
Racism binds together a lot of actions and law enforcement regardless of the local status of Slavery in most of America. Especially when you fold in reactions to immigrants, from what little I’ve researched so far.
Suzanne
@Baud: I’ve joked that I would drink every time they say “wokeness” but I would get shit-faced in about 15 minutes.
Alison Rose
@Suzanne: That’s what happens when you don’t let gay men near you.
Suzanne
All the dudes are wearing navy blue suits with red ties.
Baud
@Suzanne:
Did any of them paint themselves orange?
Steve in the ATL
@Citizen Scientist: winner winner Skyline chili dinner!
Or would have been, had you bet….
MomSense
Hunter Biden!
drink!
Matt McIrvin
@Anoniminous: Slave patrols, but also organized crime.
I’ve wondered for a long time if a nationwide police coup to overthrow the American constitutional order would be possible. It seems like the fascists in the police departments have never been quite nationally organized enough to do it and would rather just exist as a law unto themselves than take over. And on Jan. 6, 2021 you had off-duty cops among the insurrectionists trying to kill Capitol Police. So maybe they never could get it together, but I still wonder.
Ksmiami
@Anoniminous: and genocide of indigenous ppl.
Suzanne
@Baud: No, but some of them should have topped off their hair dye.
kalakal
@Suzanne: Are the emails in all caps?
Steve in the ATL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Latifah, New Jersey would have been a good guess too!
pluky
@MisterDancer: Formed to deal with labor unrest. See also the armories built contemporaneously in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, and other major cities.
Scout211
Reading about the Secret Service communications with the Proud Boys throughout the day today, it just makes me freaked out to imagine what would have happened had all those “leftist groups” actually showed up to protest Trump’s speech on January 6th.
Suzanne
Nikki just threw TFG under the bus….. haaaaaaay big spender.
Baud
@Suzanne:
What did she say?
WaterGirl
@Baud:
He seems nice.
kalakal
@Steve in the ATL: For your sake I hope it’s not the one in Texas
Suzanne
Oooooh, Pence is pissed at Vivek.
Anoniminous
@MisterDancer:
By then 200 years of slavery had caused white attitudes to set. So the Boston police weren’t specifically established to send escaping slaves I doubt they gave a damn when they did. And 230 years further on MLK’s experience in Boston is instructive.
sab
@MisterDancer: Oliver Wendall Holmes Sr thought it was a conflict of interest that Boston’s first cops were Irish and patrolling for Irish criminals.
Some of our leaders are morons.
Suzanne
@Baud: She noted that Trump ran up the deficit by $8T.
kalakal
@Suzanne: Hah, like being savaged by a dead sheep*
*nicked from Dennis Healy
sab
@sab: Nothing to do with the debate. I had called her. She called me back.
Old Dan and Little Ann
Urban dictionary just changed the definition of cringe to – the 8-23 GOP Debate.
Yikes.
patrick Ii
Pence: Thanks for the question now I’ll answer a different one.p
Alison Rose
@patrick Ii: God, they all do that, don’t they? It’s annoying no matter who it is.
HumboldtBlue
“She looks like she fell off a wedding cake.”
Steeplejack
@Steve in the ATL:
My money was on Del Rio, TX, the “Queen City of the Rio Grande.” But probably a little off-brand for you.
Wyatt Salamanca
Bret Baier let his mask of neutrality and objectivity slip with his stupid impersonation of Biden whispering. What a dick.
Suzanne
@HumboldtBlue: Republicans love bleached blonde hair. I see bottle blonde and I instantly think small-town beauty queen doing a ribbon-cutting at a car dealership.
Omnes Omnibus
@HumboldtBlue: Who the hell is that?
MomSense
DeSantis was advised to work on his smile but it looks like a grimace. He is so creepy.
SiubhanDuinne
@HumboldtBlue:
I’m not watching (no cable, and it doesn’t seem to be streaming anywhere), but please, I beg of you, tell me that isn’t one of the candidates.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
Some country singer.
Sure Lurkalot
So brave that none of these asshats believe in AGW. We have countries and islands on fire, tropical storms in California, record heat and floods. Just another summer of weird weather, I guess.
Why the hell would you vote for someone who will do nothing in the face of your grandchildren inheriting an uninhabitable planet?
MomSense
I don’t know where they are getting their “facts” or their bizarre economic theories. The climate change segment was awkward and this abortion round is also bizarre.
Vivek thinks climate change is a hoax.
CaseyL
@patrick Ii:
@Alison Rose:
Answering the question you want to answer, versus the one you were asked, is Basic Political “Debate” 101. I think almost everyone, including Democrats, does it.
It’s a good and useful tactic if the reporter is asking some damnfool gotcha questions, and/or if there is a point, policy, or observation that a politician strongly wants to mention.
HumboldtBlue
@Suzanne: @Omnes Omnibus: @SiubhanDuinne:
Lawrence Welk is back? Petticoat Junction got all classy and city-fied?
Abnormal Hiker
For those who like black humour, check out the WaPo liveblog with Henry Olsen, Megan McArdle, et al.
MisterDancer
@Anoniminous: But Dr. King’s experiences in Boston (Chicago, too) are a key point. Black people didn’t become second class in America only because we were enslaved. Slavery was a critical part — but as many other immigration stories underline, Law Enforcement in America has been constructed to enforce that division for a number of groups, including ones that far predate any European, African, or Asian visitors to these shores.
That’s why I use the term Racism, to bring in a host of issues that have impacted policing for generations. I say that because the experience of other countries show that, even if you don’t have a slave state, you have these issues in your law enforcement.
I’m not saying Slavery didn’t influence Racist opinions. I’m aware of, for example, the many Union people who hated Slavery but also didn’t want Black folx anywhere near to them, didn’t really care if we were slave or free.
But when I look at the treatment of other groups coming to America? I tend to think that the kind of Racism that has led to corruption in the LEO ranks is about more than Black people — although, yeah, I’m still at too much risk of dying if a cop stops me! There’s just a broader, more complex and nuanced story that’s about more than the effects of Slavery here, in my opinion. And that’s part of why I sum up as Racist, and not Slavery, in this specific case.
Also, too: Regardless of how it started, modern LEO behavior is certainly a broad spectrum of Racist and Antisemitic behaviors, along with issues like Homo-and-Transphobia, Sexism, and so on. I’d rather point to something of modern concern, of a challenge that is real and active and needing to be fought, over a historical issue that still carries trauma in communities, but also reads as something already fixed.
Chattle Slavery on that scale is done in America. Racism is still a whole-assed problem, and is indeed the problem in the Secret Service that needs addressing.
Mike in NC
Highly recommend “Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service” by Carol Leonnig. They need a serious house cleaning in that agency.
patrick Ii
I hate to say it, but good for FOX for asking a question about climate change and Bret Baier for telling DeSantis to answer the question.
After that it was a complete clusterf* of course, but it is the first time I have at heard a question about climate change in a debate for a long time.
patrick Ii
@CaseyL:
Usually the transition is a lot smoother .
Omnes Omnibus
@Abnormal Hiker: No. You can’t make me.
Suzanne
Vivek wants “faith-based” approaches to “the mental health crisis”.
geg6
@Old Dan and Little Ann:
That’s hysterical.
CaseyL
@patrick Ii:
True dat. The best tactic is to start answering the question, then segue into what you want to say.
kalakal
@CaseyL: There’s a time honoured English tradition as to how you do that
“I’m glad you asked that question because it raises the important point that… my opponent smells of elderberries”
Steve in the ATL
@patrick Ii:
Another thread about Omnes? This is getting tiresome!
CaseyL
@kalakal:
Yes, exactly like that!
Gin & Tonic
Why do all the Fulton County mug shots look like the camera is at least a foot over the heads of the accused?
SiubhanDuinne
@Abnormal Hiker:
You failed to trigger-warn us that that innocent-looking little “et al” included Marc Thiessen. Click.
I’m going back to Evan Hurst’s snarky live blog over Wonkette way.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: Envious much?
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: McMegan wasn’t enough of a warning to stay away?
MomSense
I’m still trying to figure out WTF happened with the lady DeSantis met who survived being aborted three times (huh???) and was left in a pan.
Alison Rose
@MomSense: I……….
wut
MomSense
No love for Christie criticizing Trump.
Scout211
Thank you!
I clicked over and am thoroughly enjoying his live blog.
kalakal
@MomSense: He was reminiscing about his early years on Fomalhaut II
patrick Ii
I admire the way a Republican candidate can say he stands for law and order with a straight face.
Actually later Hutchinson does o.ok.
MomSense
@Alison Rose:
Exactly. I think he said they attempted abortion 3 times at 39 weeks. Wouldn’t that be delivery? I mean WTAF.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
More like she’s popping out of one….
Suzanne
I am surprised by how much of a non-factor Rhonda Santis is tonight. Even Mike Pence is more vivacious.
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: One of us clearly just had a stroke because that makes no sense.
kalakal
@MomSense: Is he talking about a C-section? He gets loonier by the minute
MomSense
@kalakal:
Seriously.
Poor Pence is floundering. The audience isn’t into defending the constitution.
MomSense
@kalakal:
He said she survived three attempts to abort her and that she was left to die in a pan. I need to find a transcript.
Alison Rose
@MomSense: Yeah, sure. I believe him. Thousands wouldn’t.
Jackie
@Suzanne: I stopped watching after first question to Pudd’n Boots, he brought up Hunter. I’ll get the lowlights on the post debate show on MSNBC.
kalakal
@Alison Rose: You wouldn’t know her. She’s from Canada.
Do these people ever actually listen to themselves?
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: Isn’t that basically the origin rumor about the Old Pretender (James Francis Edward Stuart)?
Jackie
@Suzanne: Anyone wearing AR-15 lapel pins?
The blue suit/red tie is the standard GQP uniform.
Steeplejack
@MisterDancer:
It’s chattel.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
If only. It’s some lady named Penny.
Yarrow
I’m impressed with you who can stomach watching the Republican “debate.” I couldn’t do it.
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: Is she the singer person? That would explain a lot.
kalakal
@Yarrow: I’m not a ghoul, I don’t gawk at car crashes but this pathetic spectacle does have a morbid fascination for me. They are all utterly useless.
Misterpuff
Ramaswamy is Cornholio.
He swings his huge head back like Beavis.
I can’t not see it now.
Yarrow
@MomSense: Wait…what? That anyone would believe that is just sad. And scary.
p.a.
Any glossolalia yet?
Omnes Omnibus
@Yarrow:
I am using the internet (here, Twitter, and Bluesky) like one would use a mirror to see a gorgon.
Jackie
@SiubhanDuinne: Whoever she is looks like someone on the Beverly Hillbillies. Ellie May’s cousin visiting from them thar hills.
MomSense
@Omnes Omnibus:
HAHAHA!
Misterpuff
Fox’s questions really “lead the witness”, they have done a great job setting the structure of the cluster. I say unhappily.
Wyatt Salamanca
@Suzanne:
So far, Vivek has come across as the dumbest and most obnoxious candidate on the debate stage with DeSantis a close second.
Suzanne
@kalakal: Doug Burgum’s last answer sounded like someone tried to explain QAnon in 15 seconds and I am so confused and exhausted.
Suzanne
@Misterpuff: Vivek’s teeth are freaky. It reminds me of the Friends episode in which Ross whitens his teeth and they glow.
Yarrow
Lol.
Yarrow
@Omnes Omnibus: It’s the only way.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
No wonder Major Biden kept biting these people, he could sniff out the threats
Suzanne
I have to say, the Governor of Florida bleating about drugs coming over the border just makes me LMAO. Like all of the country’s cocaine doesn’t come through his state.
MomSense
Oh god DeSantis needs to stop meeting people. Now it’s a mother whose son took one Percocet laced with Fentanyl and he died. Does Purdue Pharma know about this serious quality control issue?
jimmiraybob
Yikes! Watched 10 minutes. Need to watch “Idiocracy” to cleanse the palate.
Governor “Stone Cold Dead” ……
Senator fire the IRS and send the military to the southern border ……
Out for blood.
kalakal
@Suzanne: But will Georgia pay for his wall? Actually they might if it would keep Tuberville stuck in Fl
Omnes Omnibus
@Suzanne: “I hypnotize you with my teeth and you pay me money.”
Jeffro
I wasn’t gonna watch, but Froette texted me that it was out of control, and so yeah, I’m watching.
Show me how any one of these clowns somehow wrests the nomination from trump.
Show me how any one of these clowns somehow manages to unite the Republican Party and sweeps to victory.
LOL
GOP, you are so, so effed.
marcopolo
So the Wisconsin Dems are using the debate as a fundraiser they are calling : “Cheddar Storm.”
The initial goal was $10K and now they are pushing towards $30K. If anyone would like to throw them a few coins, here is the link.
Also, not watching the debate but following it thru DKos, TNichols twitter feed (via bitter), and a couple other open tabs. Sounds like a shitstorm that maybe Pence & Haley are occasionally standing out from? Actually glad I am not watching.
Omnes Omnibus
@marcopolo:
Wikler is so damned good at his job.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Abnormal Hiker:
But neither of them are Black?
Maxim
@sab: I’m sorry. What a difficult conversation to have, to wish you could have done things differently. Did she tell you about it at the time?
Suzanne
Ohhhh, here comes nonsense.
ETA: Critical race theory! LMAO!
catclub
Why do people keep saying Florida. Tuberville is a college football coach elected in Alabama.
Omnes Omnibus
@catclub: His residence is actually in Florida.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
MomSense
Education not indoctrination. DeSantis’ new slogan. Got rid of CRT and wants to make sure kids have a grounding in what it means to be an American.
Vivek wants to eliminate the Dept of Education, end teachers unions and give the 80 billion to the parents – school choice. Somehow he also wants to keep the men in the house because the nuclear family is the most important blah blah blah.
Now they’re onto “protecting” women’s sports.
marcopolo
@Omnes Omnibus: He is. I live in MO, which is kind of hopeless for Ds statewide, but I’ve been a monthly donor to WIDems since the day Ben took over. He really has worked wonders. Just wish all the state parties had the resources (money, bodies, smarts) to be organizing 365 days/year. It’s the only way forward in getting voters IDed, educated & mobilized in the midst of all the other distraction of day-to-day living.
Abnormal Hiker
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Agree we need a new word to describe whatever it is that is going on over there
catclub
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ah! I am behind the curve.
MomSense
Biden is oooooold. Here we go.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
half-assed watching debate twitter, which isn’t nearly as funny as mug shots twitter, and it just occurred to me I haven’t seen any mention of Christie. Has the big brawler not thrown a punch, or just not landed one?
MomSense
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He tried but this crowd isn’t into his defense of the constitution.
SiubhanDuinne
@catclub:
A couple of weeks ago, WaPo ran a story that Tuberville actually resides in Florida, not Alabama. Gift link.
HumboldtBlue
This sums up the current GOP presidential field.
Steeplejack
@catclub:
To add to what Omnes said, it was recently reported that he has lived in Florida for about 20 years.
Alison Rose
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: exxxxxxcellent
MomSense
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He did recognize that Vivek was copying Obama’s line about being skinny with a funny name.
marcopolo
@Jeffro: George Conway just noted that this debate is a demolition derby amongst all the candidates on stage while Trump is going untouched. Totally accurate. Predicts Trump will hit 70% soon. I’d say it really is a VP audition except Trump is just as likely to choose a running mate from the wait staff of Mar-a-Lago as from any of these folks.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Suzanne:
as if no one has ever seen “Scarface” or “Miami Vice”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Joe Biden retweets Nikki Haley calling out trump et al for adding $8T to the national debt. She’s gonna hate that more than the Republicans she was trying to tag
MomSense
I hope that bad lip syncing guy is still around.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
OT hit and run; cheers on the waning final hours of my fourth decade
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MomSense: sounds like Vivek is having a rough night
MomSense
Christie isn’t happy about being asked the UFO question.
Jeffro
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I just saw that!
Burn, GOP, burn!
mvr
@marcopolo:
In for a penny, in for 27 bucks. Because it is Wisconsin and they’re both on a roll and might matter.
Thanks for the link!
MomSense
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Who knows this is a Republican debate.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@catclub:
mvr
@catclub: He apparently lives in FL.
Rebel’s Dad
@Anoniminous: I know that that’s a popular talking point on the left, but it’s not entirely correct. England had sheriffs and night watchmen long before there even were American colonies.
No doubt that slave patrols did have an impact on our modern-day policing system, especially in the South. But blaming everything on slave patrols is as intellectually lazy as ACAB or the Cadillac-driving welfare queen.
Omnes Omnibus
@Alison Rose:
WI Dems are killing it. Wikler is raising a shit ton of money off of the FOP convention. Labor unions and Milwaukee area Dems held a labor rights rally outside the Fiserv Forum. WI may be a closely contested state, but Milwaukee is deep blue.
Yarrow
Vivek seems like the Andrew Yang of this cycle but Republican.
Alison Rose
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wait till he starts rapping.
Lyrebird
@sab: That sounds like a very heavy conversation indeed.
Sending wishes of peace to you and to your relative.
HumboldtBlue
Tucker Carlson is a weird fucking dude with a weird fucking laugh.
Here, he and Trump get all mean girl on Chris Wallace.
topclimber
@Baud:Dumb Brandon strikes (out)!
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@MomSense:
I see he’s attacking the thrice married, philandering front runner
TS
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I would hope so from the brief time I watched he was going back to fossil fuels, drowning government in the bath tub and generally doing everything to take MAGA to the extreme.
Jackie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I so love our President! That’s gonna be a “I approve this message” Biden ad!
Suzanne
Can I say that I am sooooo sick of the “taking the shower at the end of the day” trope?! Just take two showers. You’re not limited. IT’S A FREE COUNTRY, BE CLEAN.
marcopolo
@mvr: Thanks!
TS
MSNBC attacking Putin the dictator – they need to emphasise this is what the trump followers want for the USA
Lyrebird
@MisterDancer: Thanks for putting such a broad perspective into clear terms.
Lots to be discouraged about, though I have no doubt that the Biden Harris transition team made sure to have honest and loyal LEOs around POTUS and MVP. Something that gives me hope here is the change I see since I was in school. I am John Cole’s age just about. In high school, you’d get nowhere fast pointing out violence as a tradition in white american society. Totally shut down. Could only call other people violent, that was totes okay. Now there is more open discussion.
Wyatt Salamanca
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He deserves it because he’s been an arrogant prick ever since he started talking.
I would have loved to swap out Vivek for Will Hurd so that there could have been one more anti-Trump Republican on the debate stage.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
as a Navy JAG, he was legal advisor to a SEAL unit in Iraq
ETA: here’s the video. put out by the same PAC that wrote that memo last week.
And Jill Wine-Banks brings the kill shot
Rebel’s Dad
OT got my grades for this semester: a 99 in Adult Education in Global Contexts, and a 96 in Understanding the Adult Learner. Onward to Fall in two weeks!
Jeffro
Yeah, that’s about right. He can duck into his role as chief heckler (this time, of the Republican Party) and look ‘presidential’ just by virtue of previously lucking into the office and also by not being on this stage.
I’ll give him 60%. Just splitting hairs, though.
For at least 4-5 of these folks, there will be no welcoming back or inviting into the fold (Pence, Haley, Christie, Hutchinson, DeSantis), and Burgum adds nothing to a potential trumpov 2024 ticket.
Scott? Maybe. Ramaswamy? Maybe? But I think trumpov will want a white nationalist woman on the ticket – the ‘hotter’, the better, in his mind – so the usual suspects will probably be considered.
I’ll say again: someone show me a path for any one of these clowns to dethrone trumpov at this point. And after that, show me how they unite the GOP for 2024.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@MomSense:
He probably will change his name to “Bobby Nicky”
Suzanne
Mr. Suzanne just said that Vivek looks coked up. Accurate.
Alison Rose
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: By that rationale, I was a founding member of the Grateful Dead.
Ohio Mom
@Rebel’s Dad: Congrats!
Rebel’s Dad
@Ohio Mom: Thank you :)
MomSense
@Suzanne:
I’m calling him crest white strips from now on. Jesus Christ it’s too much.
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
Peke Daddy
@Tony G: Now, now, let’s not dabble in any of that conspiracy nonsense. It’s always a lone nut, right?
David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
What a pisser
prostratedragon
@Gin & Tonic: Not a good angle for anyone. Makes the person look a bit shifty.
At least I think it’s the angle.
Timill
@Alison Rose: Well, we knew that
kalakal
Whatever else all of these fools are handing lots of ammunition to any Dem opponent in any election they stand in.
They’re all abyssmal and their inanities tonight are going to age like bean sprouts
Suzanne
@MomSense: His teeth are freaky.
Manyakitty
@The Kropenhagen Interpretation: many happy returns! 🥂
kalakal
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: And not even the Head Pisser. He’s a pisser second class
Manyakitty
@Rebel’s Dad: well done!!
Steeplejack
@Rebel’s Dad:
👍 Good job!
kalakal
@Rebel’s Dad: Well done!
piratedan
@Jeffro: I would actually think Burgum would be perfect for Trump, he’s a complete nobody, will NOT take any attention away from Trump and comes from nowhere, has no power base and will most likely just do as he’s told. He doesn’t need to “add” anything because Trump has never calculated politics that way.
It’s like he’s graduated from Henchman University and needs to find a supervillian to take him on.
Formerly disgruntled in Oregon
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Narc!
Captain C
@Jeffro:
The FSM doesn’t love us enough for it to be Boebert. That would make the Sarah Palin choice look inspired.
Maxim
@Captain C: MTG has been bucking hard for the Veep slot.
Misterpuff
I want a clip of the Pence/Vivek set-to with Beavis and Butthead’s voices dubbed in.
Assholio FTW and Dense is such a Butthead.
LiminalOwl
@sab: How awful for your sister and her classmate, and now for you learning about it. I’m so sorry.
Kathleen
@Steve in the ATL: How long are you here?
Mel
@Rebel’s Dad: I’m way late to the thread, but wanted to say congratulations on your grades!! Are you an education major?
Mel
@Kathleen: Steve needs to visit Eli’s Riverside for some Cincy BBQ, Ambar India in Clifton for Chicken Tikka, Holtman’s Donuts in OTR for the best raspberry filled donut ever, and Vera Cruz in Price Hill for their incredible fajitas before he leaves our fair city!
@Steve in the ATL: Welcome to Cincy!
Rebel’s Dad
@Mel: Thank you :)
Yes, I’m working on my Ed.M. in Adult and Continuing Education. This was my first semester.
Manyakitty
@piratedan: plus, he is apparently an actual rich guy.
Mel
@Rebel’s Dad: That’s really exciting! I taught high school, then taught and counseled in a college program designed to assist all sorts of adult learners/ non-trad students. I loved it. Working with adult students is a wonderful experience.
From our chats in other threads, I can tell that you are a person with a lot of patience, strength, perseverance, and compassion – the kind of person who understands and cares about the kinds of obstacles that so many adult students are or have been up against.
The profession (and the students) need good people like you!
brantl
@Suzanne: I would vote for brain-rot.
Paul in KY
@MomSense: An incompetent doctor too.
Paul in KY
@Omnes Omnibus: Something about sneaking another kid into the birthing room, I think.
Paul in KY
@MomSense: Maybe it was a fentanyl pill they said was a percocet?
Paul in KY
@Rebel’s Dad: LEO people are generally the same kind of people who liked being dungeon guards & headsmen back in Middle Ages.
Paul in KY
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: ‘Assisting with urineanalysis’ means he got to watch the urine leave the dick.
brantl
@catclub: The only house he owns is in Florida.
The Lodger
@David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: That’s Pissantis
The Lodger
@Paul in KY: surprised more people don’t call him Pissantiskoguy guy b iou guy
Mo MacArbie
So, not a SEAL but saw that they broke the seal.