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You are here: Home / Politics / Domestic Politics / The Emails are Coming from Inside the House

The Emails are Coming from Inside the House

by John Cole|  August 23, 20238:25 pm| 219 Comments

This post is in: Domestic Politics

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Well this both confirms everything you suspected and were afraid of:

The email detailed that the Oath Keepers security detail would be composed of “primarily retired law enforcement/former military members who are very pro-LEO [law enforcement officer] and Pro Trump. Their stated purpose is to provide protection and medical attention to Trump supporters if they come under attack by leftist groups.”

The Secret Service member who spoke to Rhodes even admitted to other members in the agency that he was an Oath Keeper himself. “I am the unofficial liaison to the Oath Keepers (inching towards official),” he wrote.

The CREW report confirms Rhodes’ claims last year that the far-right group had a contact within the Secret Service. Rhodes admitted this during his trial, when he was charged with seditious conspiracy for attempting to stop Joe Biden’s presidential win.

The right wing fanatics are embedded in every aspect of law enforcement and the military, and that’s to say nothing of the whole constitutional sheriff mess. And they need to be outed. Period.

There is no way that Kamala Harris is safe around Oath Keepers. They probably won’t ever do anything to Biden, but should something happen to him, I would legit be afraid to have a security service with an oath keeper in it “protecting” her.

I’m sure this also has nothing to do with the Secret Service deleting texts from January 6 when a watchdog asked for them.

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219Comments

  1. 1.

    Fraud Guy

    August 23, 2023 at 8:27 pm

    “They need to be outed” and ousted.

  2. 2.

    Baud

    August 23, 2023 at 8:28 pm

    This place is hopping tonight.

  3. 3.

    lee

    August 23, 2023 at 8:33 pm

    Always remember that Biden brought in Secret Service from his time as VP to replace Trump’s.

     

    Biden was well aware of this problem.

  4. 4.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 8:35 pm

    @Baud: ​
      Everyone seems to feel safer now that Prigozhin is dead.

  5. 5.

    MattF

    August 23, 2023 at 8:36 pm

    We were lucky that these American Brown Shirts were never really well organized. All preening and shaking-of-fists.

  6. 6.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 8:38 pm

    Cleveland Ohio had a starting class at their police academy of 12. Then 3 of them just dropped out. Not cop material, or don’t want to be Cleveland cops?  One of them was Jayland Walker’s best friend, who wanted to be a cop but not an Akron cop after what they did to Jayland.

  7. 7.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 8:40 pm

    @lee: Quietly savvy.

    ETA Biden has always been quiet. Dark Brandon gives him an alter ego to let his dark side out. I love it, because I want him to respond but I don’t want him to lose his bright side. To me that is who he is.

  8. 8.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 8:40 pm

    @lee: That’s a good thing to be reminded of. I sure as hell hope anyone guarding Harris has been vetted to the moon and back.

  9. 9.

    MagdaInBlack

    August 23, 2023 at 8:42 pm

    @Alison Rose: I would like to think that Biden made sure they were vetted, as you say, ” to the moon and back.”

  10. 10.

    MisterDancer

    August 23, 2023 at 8:42 pm

    #BlackLivesMatter was right.

    And frankly, I suspect we have similar issues in the DoJ that’s a real reason  the work to deal with Jan6 is so long and tedious. Not because Garland is as asshole, but because he and his team has to work around anyone in the Department sympathetic to Alt-Right ideas.

    But because that’s hard to determine and involves agreeing that racism impacts Justice in America…well. It’s easier to scapegoat one man, than all the fuckwits like these Secret Service wankers elsewhere in the Federal LEOs.

    (Not everything is about Race. But a depressing amount of bullshit rolls up to it.)

  11. 11.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 8:43 pm

    @lee: Does the president get to select his detail? What about MVP?

  12. 12.

    Baud

    August 23, 2023 at 8:43 pm

    This guy apparently chose to represent himself.

    Jan. 6 defendant representing himself at trial compares himself to Brett Kavanaugh

    Brandon Fellows also said he liked that members of Congress were fearing for their lives during the Capitol attack.

  13. 13.

    Anoniminous

    August 23, 2023 at 8:45 pm

    It all makes sense once you know the modern US police grew out of the Colonial slave patrols.

  14. 14.

    Roger Moore

    August 23, 2023 at 8:46 pm

    @MattF: ​
     

    We were lucky that these American Brown Shirts were never really well organized. All preening and shaking-of-fists.

    It’s worth checking out what happened to the original Brown Shirts when their usefulness had come to an end. I don’t think the Oathkeepers and Proud Boys would do any better than the SA once Trump really felt confident as dictator.

  15. 15.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 8:46 pm

    @Baud:

    compares himself to Brett Kavanaugh

    So, he’s also a beer-swilling rapist? Weird thing to be proud of.

  16. 16.

    blindyone

    August 23, 2023 at 8:47 pm

    @Baud: May you live in interesting times is supposed to be more of a curse than a blessing, right? I think we are.

  17. 17.

    Anoniminous

    August 23, 2023 at 8:49 pm

    @MisterDancer:

    Slavery.

    Quite a lot of what is fucked up about the US starts with slavery.

  18. 18.

    M31

    August 23, 2023 at 8:52 pm

    Major knew.

  19. 19.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 8:53 pm

    OT Talking today about elementary school in Florida in the 1960s ( so much fun, a wonderland) and her elementary school in Ohio eleven years later ( horrifying. Beat up by a classmate every day who was acting out because she was being raped every day.) Baby sister and classmate told everyone from their parents to their school officials and not one single adult believed them.

  20. 20.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 23, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: I know I do!

    Steve in the Queen City (but which one????)

  21. 21.

    wjca

    August 23, 2023 at 8:54 pm

    @Fraud Guy:

    “They need to be outed” and ousted.

    Formally, and officially, fired for cause.  No “resigned for personal reasons” or other smokescreen.

  22. 22.

    Tony G

    August 23, 2023 at 8:55 pm

    With this level of rot in the Secret Service, the logical thing would be to force them all to re-apply for their jobs, with a full vetting process to weed out the right-wing traitors.  That won’t happen, of course.

  23. 23.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 8:55 pm

    WTF HAPPENED TO TREY GOWDY’S HAIR?!

  24. 24.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 8:56 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Hence my use of the post-nominal “in the WTF.”

  25. 25.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 23, 2023 at 8:57 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: it is admirably efficient

  26. 26.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 8:59 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Elizabeth, New Jersey?

  27. 27.

    Citizen Scientist

    August 23, 2023 at 8:59 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: my bet is Cincinnati.  *

    *Not an actual bet, but I’ve seen the big ‘Queen City’ sign there.

  28. 28.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 8:59 pm

    DeSantis already looks like he doesn’t have enough fiber in his diet.

  29. 29.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 9:01 pm

    @sab: If your child or your sibling is behaving wildly out of character you need to probe. Something is happening there and a child needs your help.

  30. 30.

    Baud

    August 23, 2023 at 9:01 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Are you counting the “wokes” tonight?

  31. 31.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 9:02 pm

    @M31: LOL

  32. 32.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 9:02 pm

    @sab: Context: talking with my baby sister, eleven years younger than me. Grew up in a different state.

    ETA Just a random get in touch with your sibling phone call and this came out. I was  another person who failed them.

  33. 33.

    MisterDancer

    August 23, 2023 at 9:02 pm

    @Anoniminous: Yes chattle enslavement of my ancestors triggered off a lot of shit. But also keep in mind it’s 1830’s Boston that sees the 1st formal citywide police force. And although I’m sure they were racist as fuck, I doubt they were patrolling for slaves.

    Racism binds together a lot of actions and law enforcement regardless of the local status of Slavery in most of America. Especially when you fold in reactions to immigrants,  from what little I’ve researched so far.

  34. 34.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:03 pm

    @Baud: I’ve joked that I would drink every time they say “wokeness” but I would get shit-faced in about 15 minutes.

  35. 35.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 9:04 pm

    @Suzanne: That’s what happens when you don’t let gay men near you.

  36. 36.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:05 pm

    All the dudes are wearing navy blue suits with red ties.

  37. 37.

    Baud

    August 23, 2023 at 9:06 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Did any of them paint themselves orange?

  38. 38.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 23, 2023 at 9:07 pm

    @Citizen Scientist: winner winner Skyline chili dinner!

    Or would have been, had you bet….

  39. 39.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 9:07 pm

    Hunter Biden!

    drink!

  40. 40.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 23, 2023 at 9:08 pm

    @Anoniminous: Slave patrols, but also organized crime.

    I’ve wondered for a long time if a nationwide police coup to overthrow the American constitutional order would be possible. It seems like the fascists in the police departments have never been quite nationally organized enough to do it and would rather just exist as a law unto themselves than take over. And on Jan. 6, 2021 you had off-duty cops among the insurrectionists trying to kill Capitol Police. So maybe they never could get it together, but I still wonder.

  41. 41.

    Ksmiami

    August 23, 2023 at 9:08 pm

    @Anoniminous: and genocide of indigenous ppl.

  42. 42.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:09 pm

    @Baud: No, but some of them should have topped off their hair dye.

  43. 43.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 9:09 pm

    @Suzanne: Are the emails in all caps?

  44. 44.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 23, 2023 at 9:10 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Latifah, New Jersey would have been a good guess too!

  45. 45.

    pluky

    August 23, 2023 at 9:11 pm

    @MisterDancer: Formed to deal with labor unrest. See also the armories built contemporaneously in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, and other  major cities.

  46. 46.

    Scout211

    August 23, 2023 at 9:14 pm

    Reading about the Secret Service communications with the Proud Boys throughout the day today, it just makes me freaked out to imagine what would have happened had all those “leftist groups” actually showed up to protest Trump’s speech on January 6th.

  47. 47.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:15 pm

    Nikki just threw TFG under the bus….. haaaaaaay big spender.

  48. 48.

    Baud

    August 23, 2023 at 9:15 pm

    @Suzanne:

    What did she say?

  49. 49.

    WaterGirl

    August 23, 2023 at 9:16 pm

    @Baud:

    Brandon Fellows also said he liked that members of Congress were fearing for their lives during the Capitol attack.

    He seems nice.

  50. 50.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 9:17 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: For your sake I hope it’s not the one in Texas

  51. 51.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:18 pm

    Oooooh, Pence is pissed at Vivek.

  52. 52.

    Anoniminous

    August 23, 2023 at 9:19 pm

    @MisterDancer:

    By then 200 years of slavery had caused white attitudes to set.  So the Boston police weren’t specifically established to send escaping slaves I doubt they gave a damn when they did.  And 230 years further on MLK’s experience in Boston is instructive.

  53. 53.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 9:19 pm

    @MisterDancer: Oliver Wendall Holmes Sr thought it was a conflict of interest that Boston’s first cops were Irish and patrolling for Irish criminals.

    Some of our leaders are morons.

  54. 54.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:20 pm

    @Baud: She noted that Trump ran up the deficit by $8T.

  55. 55.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 9:20 pm

    @Suzanne: Hah, like being savaged by a dead sheep*

    *nicked from Dennis Healy

  56. 56.

    sab

    August 23, 2023 at 9:22 pm

    @sab: Nothing to do with the debate. I had called her. She called me back.

  57. 57.

    Old Dan and Little Ann

    August 23, 2023 at 9:27 pm

    Urban dictionary just changed the definition of cringe to – the 8-23 GOP Debate.

    Yikes.

  58. 58.

    patrick Ii

    August 23, 2023 at 9:28 pm

    Pence: Thanks for the question now I’ll answer a different one.p

  59. 59.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 9:30 pm

    @patrick Ii: God, they all do that, don’t they? It’s annoying no matter who it is.

  60. 60.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 23, 2023 at 9:33 pm

    “She looks like she fell off a wedding cake.”

  61. 61.

    Steeplejack

    August 23, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:

    My money was on Del Rio, TX, the “Queen City of the Rio Grande.” But probably a little off-brand for you.

  62. 62.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 23, 2023 at 9:35 pm

    Bret Baier let his mask of neutrality and objectivity slip with his stupid impersonation of Biden whispering. What a dick.

  63. 63.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:36 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Republicans love bleached blonde hair. I see bottle blonde and I instantly think small-town beauty queen doing a ribbon-cutting at a car dealership.

  64. 64.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 9:37 pm

    @HumboldtBlue: Who the hell is that?

  65. 65.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 9:37 pm

    DeSantis was advised to work on his smile but it looks like a grimace.  He is so creepy.

  66. 66.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:38 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    I’m not watching (no cable, and it doesn’t seem to be streaming anywhere), but please, I beg of you, tell me that isn’t one of the candidates.

  67. 67.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 9:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Some country singer.

  68. 68.

    Sure Lurkalot

    August 23, 2023 at 9:39 pm

    So brave that none of these asshats believe in AGW.  We have countries and islands on fire, tropical storms in California, record heat and floods.  Just another summer of weird weather, I guess.

    Why the hell would you vote for someone who will do nothing in the face of your grandchildren inheriting an uninhabitable planet?

  69. 69.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    I don’t know where they are getting their “facts” or their bizarre economic theories.  The climate change segment was awkward and this abortion round is also bizarre.

    Vivek thinks climate change is a hoax.

  70. 70.

    CaseyL

    August 23, 2023 at 9:40 pm

    @patrick Ii:

    @Alison Rose:

    Answering the question you want to answer, versus the one you were asked, is Basic Political “Debate” 101.  I think almost everyone, including Democrats, does it.

    It’s a good and useful tactic if the reporter is asking some damnfool gotcha questions, and/or if there is a point, policy, or observation that a politician strongly wants to mention.

  71. 71.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 23, 2023 at 9:41 pm

    @Suzanne: @Omnes Omnibus: @SiubhanDuinne:

    Lawrence Welk is back? Petticoat Junction got all classy and city-fied?

  72. 72.

    Abnormal Hiker

    August 23, 2023 at 9:41 pm

    For those who like black humour, check out the WaPo liveblog with Henry Olsen, Megan McArdle, et al.

  73. 73.

    MisterDancer

    August 23, 2023 at 9:42 pm

    @Anoniminous: But Dr. King’s experiences in Boston (Chicago, too) are a key point. Black people didn’t become second class in America only because we were enslaved. Slavery was a critical part — but as many other immigration stories underline, Law Enforcement in America has been constructed to enforce that division for a number of groups, including ones that far predate any European, African, or Asian visitors to these shores.

    That’s why I use the term Racism, to bring in a host of issues that have impacted policing for generations. I say that because the experience of other countries show that, even if you don’t have a slave state, you have these issues in your law enforcement.

    I’m not saying Slavery didn’t influence Racist opinions. I’m aware of, for example,  the many Union people who hated Slavery but also didn’t want Black folx anywhere near to them, didn’t really care if we were slave or free.

    But when I look at the treatment of other groups coming to America? I tend to think that the kind of Racism that has led to corruption in the LEO ranks is about more than Black people — although, yeah, I’m still at too much risk of dying if a cop stops me! There’s just a broader, more complex and nuanced story that’s about more than the effects of Slavery here, in my opinion. And that’s part of why I sum up as Racist, and not Slavery, in this specific case.

    Also, too: Regardless of how it started, modern LEO behavior is certainly a broad spectrum of Racist and Antisemitic behaviors, along with issues like Homo-and-Transphobia, Sexism, and so on. I’d rather point to something of modern concern, of a challenge that is real and active and needing to be fought, over a historical issue that still carries trauma in communities,  but also reads as something already fixed.

    Chattle Slavery on that scale is done in America. Racism is still a whole-assed problem,  and is indeed the problem in the Secret Service that needs addressing.

  74. 74.

    Mike in NC

    August 23, 2023 at 9:43 pm

    Highly recommend “Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service” by Carol Leonnig. They need a serious house cleaning in that agency.

  75. 75.

    patrick Ii

    August 23, 2023 at 9:44 pm

    I hate to say it, but good for FOX for asking a question about climate change and Bret Baier for telling  DeSantis  to answer the question.

    After that it was a complete clusterf* of course, but it is the first time I have at  heard a question about climate change in a debate for a long time.

  76. 76.

    patrick Ii

    August 23, 2023 at 9:46 pm

    @CaseyL:

    Usually the transition is a lot smoother .

  77. 77.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 9:47 pm

    @Abnormal Hiker: No.  You can’t make me.

  78. 78.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:48 pm

    Vivek wants “faith-based” approaches to “the mental health crisis”.

  79. 79.

    geg6

    August 23, 2023 at 9:49 pm

    @Old Dan and Little Ann:

    That’s hysterical.

  80. 80.

    CaseyL

    August 23, 2023 at 9:49 pm

    @patrick Ii: ​

    True dat. The best tactic is to start answering the question, then segue into what you want to say.

  81. 81.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 9:53 pm

    @CaseyL: There’s a time honoured English tradition as to how you do that

    “I’m glad you asked that question because it raises the important point that… my opponent smells of elderberries”

  82. 82.

    Steve in the ATL

    August 23, 2023 at 9:57 pm

    @patrick Ii:
     

    a complete clusterf*

    Another thread about Omnes? This is getting tiresome!

  83. 83.

    CaseyL

    August 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm

    @kalakal:

    Yes, exactly like that!

  84. 84.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm

    Why do all the Fulton County mug shots look like the camera is at least a foot over the heads of the accused?

  85. 85.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm

    @Abnormal Hiker:

    You failed to trigger-warn us that that innocent-looking little “et al” included Marc Thiessen. Click.

    I’m going back to Evan Hurst’s snarky live blog over Wonkette way.

  86. 86.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 9:59 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: Envious much?

  87. 87.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:00 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: McMegan wasn’t enough of a warning to stay away?

  88. 88.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:00 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out WTF happened with the lady DeSantis met who survived being aborted three times (huh???) and was left in a pan.

  89. 89.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 10:02 pm

    @MomSense: I……….

    wut

  90. 90.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:02 pm

    No love for Christie criticizing Trump.

  91. 91.

    Scout211

    August 23, 2023 at 10:02 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: I’m going back to Evan Hurst’s snarky live blog over Wonkette way.

    Thank you!

    I clicked over and am thoroughly enjoying his live blog.

  92. 92.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @MomSense: He was reminiscing about his early years on Fomalhaut II

  93. 93.

    patrick Ii

    August 23, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    I admire the way a Republican candidate can say he stands for law and order with a straight face.

    Actually later Hutchinson does o.ok.

  94. 94.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:03 pm

    @Alison Rose:

    Exactly.  I think he said they attempted abortion 3 times at 39 weeks.  Wouldn’t that be delivery?  I mean WTAF.

  95. 95.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 10:04 pm

    @HumboldtBlue:

    “She looks like she fell off a wedding cake.”

    More like she’s popping out of one….

  96. 96.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    I am surprised by how much of a non-factor Rhonda Santis is tonight. Even Mike Pence is more vivacious.

  97. 97.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    @MomSense: One of us clearly just had a stroke because that makes no sense.

  98. 98.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    @MomSense: Is he talking about a C-section? He gets loonier by the minute

  99. 99.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:05 pm

    @kalakal:

    Seriously.
    Poor Pence is floundering.  The audience isn’t into defending the constitution.

  100. 100.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:07 pm

    @kalakal:

    He said she survived three attempts to abort her and that she was left to die in a pan.  I need to find a transcript.

  101. 101.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 10:08 pm

    @MomSense: Yeah, sure. I believe him. Thousands wouldn’t.

  102. 102.

    Jackie

    August 23, 2023 at 10:10 pm

    @Suzanne: I stopped watching after first question to Pudd’n Boots, he brought up Hunter. I’ll get the lowlights on the post debate show on MSNBC.

  103. 103.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 10:10 pm

    @Alison Rose: You wouldn’t know her. She’s from Canada.

    Do these people ever actually listen to themselves?

  104. 104.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:12 pm

    @MomSense: Isn’t that basically the origin rumor about the Old Pretender (James Francis Edward Stuart)?

  105. 105.

    Jackie

    August 23, 2023 at 10:13 pm

    @Suzanne: Anyone wearing AR-15 lapel pins?

    The blue suit/red tie is the standard GQP uniform.

  106. 106.

    Steeplejack

    August 23, 2023 at 10:14 pm

    @MisterDancer:

    It’s chattel.

  107. 107.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:16 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    If only.  It’s some lady named Penny.

  108. 108.

    Yarrow

    August 23, 2023 at 10:16 pm

    I’m impressed with you who can stomach watching the Republican “debate.” I couldn’t do it.

  109. 109.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:19 pm

    @MomSense: Is she the singer person?  That would explain a lot.

  110. 110.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 10:19 pm

    @Yarrow: I’m not a ghoul, I don’t gawk at car crashes but this pathetic spectacle does have a morbid fascination for me. They are all utterly useless.

  111. 111.

    Misterpuff

    August 23, 2023 at 10:20 pm

    Ramaswamy is Cornholio.

    He swings his huge head back like Beavis.

    I can’t not see it now.

  112. 112.

    Yarrow

    August 23, 2023 at 10:20 pm

    @MomSense:  Wait…what? That anyone would believe that is just sad. And scary.

  113. 113.

    p.a.

    August 23, 2023 at 10:20 pm

    Any glossolalia yet?

  114. 114.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:21 pm

    @Yarrow: ​
      I am using the internet (here, Twitter, and Bluesky) like one would use a mirror to see a gorgon.

  115. 115.

    Jackie

    August 23, 2023 at 10:21 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Whoever she is looks like someone on the Beverly Hillbillies. Ellie May’s cousin visiting from them thar hills.

  116. 116.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:21 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    HAHAHA!

  117. 117.

    Misterpuff

    August 23, 2023 at 10:24 pm

    Fox’s questions really “lead the witness”, they have done a great job setting the structure of the cluster. I say unhappily.

  118. 118.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 23, 2023 at 10:24 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Vivek wants “faith-based” approaches to “the mental health crisis”.

    So far, Vivek has come across as the dumbest and most obnoxious candidate on the debate stage with DeSantis a close second.

  119. 119.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:24 pm

    @kalakal: Doug Burgum’s last answer sounded like someone tried to explain QAnon in 15 seconds and I am so confused and exhausted.

  120. 120.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:25 pm

    @Misterpuff: Vivek’s teeth are freaky. It reminds me of the Friends episode in which Ross whitens his teeth and they glow.

  121. 121.

    Yarrow

    August 23, 2023 at 10:26 pm

    Lol.

    For people following along at home, this is a shitshow— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) August 24, 2023

  122. 122.

    Yarrow

    August 23, 2023 at 10:28 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:  It’s the only way.

  123. 123.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 10:28 pm

    No wonder Major Biden kept biting these people, he could sniff out the threats

  124. 124.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:29 pm

    I have to say, the Governor of Florida bleating about drugs coming over the border just makes me LMAO. Like all of the country’s cocaine doesn’t come through his state.

  125. 125.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:30 pm

    Oh god DeSantis needs to stop meeting people.  Now it’s a mother whose son took one Percocet laced with Fentanyl and he died.  Does Purdue Pharma know about this serious quality control issue?

  126. 126.

    jimmiraybob

    August 23, 2023 at 10:30 pm

    Yikes! Watched 10 minutes. Need to watch “Idiocracy” to cleanse the palate.

    Governor “Stone Cold Dead” ……

    Senator fire the IRS and send the military to the southern border ……

    Out for blood.

  127. 127.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 10:31 pm

    @Suzanne: But will Georgia pay for his wall? Actually they might if it would keep Tuberville  stuck in Fl

  128. 128.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:32 pm

    @Suzanne: “I hypnotize you with my teeth and you pay me money.”

  129. 129.

    Jeffro

    August 23, 2023 at 10:32 pm

    I wasn’t gonna watch, but Froette texted me that it was out of control, and so yeah, I’m watching.

    Show me how any one of these clowns somehow wrests the nomination from trump.

    Show me how any one of these clowns somehow manages to unite the Republican Party and sweeps to victory.

    LOL

    GOP, you are so, so effed.

  130. 130.

    marcopolo

    August 23, 2023 at 10:33 pm

    So the Wisconsin Dems are using the debate as a fundraiser they are calling : “Cheddar Storm.”

    The initial goal was $10K and now they are pushing towards $30K.  If anyone would like to throw them a few coins, here is the link.

    Also, not watching the debate but following it thru DKos, TNichols twitter feed (via bitter), and a couple other open tabs.  Sounds like a shitstorm that maybe Pence & Haley are occasionally standing out from?  Actually glad I am not watching.

  131. 131.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    @marcopolo: ​
      Wikler is so damned good at his job.

  132. 132.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 10:35 pm

    @Abnormal Hiker: ​
      But neither of them are Black?

  133. 133.

    Maxim

    August 23, 2023 at 10:37 pm

    @sab: I’m sorry. What a difficult conversation to have, to wish you could have done things differently. Did she tell you about it at the time?

  134. 134.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:37 pm

    Ohhhh, here comes nonsense.

    ETA: Critical race theory! LMAO!

  135. 135.

    catclub

    August 23, 2023 at 10:37 pm

    @kalakal: But will Georgia pay for his wall? Actually they might if it would keep Tuberville stuck in Fl

     

    Why do people keep saying Florida. Tuberville is a college football coach elected in Alabama.

  136. 136.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:39 pm

    @catclub: His residence is actually in Florida.

  137. 137.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 10:40 pm

    Fritz Farrow @FritzFarrow

    The Biden campaign is rolling around a “Dark Brandon” mobile billboard around the site of tonight’s Republican debate in Milwaukee.

  138. 138.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:40 pm

    Education not indoctrination.  DeSantis’ new slogan. Got rid of CRT and wants to make sure kids have a grounding in what it means to be an American.

    Vivek wants to eliminate the Dept of Education, end teachers unions and give the 80 billion to the parents – school choice.  Somehow he also wants to keep the men in the house because the nuclear family is the most important blah blah blah.

    Now they’re onto “protecting” women’s sports.

  139. 139.

    marcopolo

    August 23, 2023 at 10:40 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: He is.  I live in MO, which is kind of hopeless for Ds statewide, but I’ve been a monthly donor to WIDems since the day Ben took over.  He really has worked wonders.  Just wish all the state parties had the resources (money, bodies, smarts) to be organizing 365 days/year.  It’s the only way forward in getting voters IDed, educated & mobilized in the midst of all the other distraction of day-to-day living.

  140. 140.

    Abnormal Hiker

    August 23, 2023 at 10:42 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Agree we need a new word to describe whatever it is that is going on over there

  141. 141.

    catclub

    August 23, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: ​
     Ah! I am behind the curve.

  142. 142.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    Biden is oooooold.  Here we go.

  143. 143.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 10:43 pm

    half-assed watching debate twitter, which isn’t nearly as funny as mug shots twitter, and it just occurred to me I haven’t seen any mention of Christie. Has the big brawler not thrown a punch, or just not landed one?

  144. 144.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:44 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    He tried but this crowd isn’t into his defense of the constitution.

  145. 145.

    SiubhanDuinne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:44 pm

    @catclub:

    A couple of weeks ago, WaPo ran a story that Tuberville actually resides in Florida, not Alabama. Gift link.

  146. 146.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 23, 2023 at 10:44 pm

    This sums up the current GOP presidential field.

  147. 147.

    Steeplejack

    August 23, 2023 at 10:44 pm

    @catclub:

    To add to what Omnes said, it was recently reported that he has lived in Florida for about 20 years.

  148. 148.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 10:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: exxxxxxcellent

  149. 149.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:45 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    He did recognize that Vivek was copying Obama’s line about being skinny with a funny name.

  150. 150.

    marcopolo

    August 23, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @Jeffro: George Conway just noted that this debate is a demolition derby amongst all the candidates on stage while Trump is going untouched. Totally accurate. Predicts Trump will hit 70% soon. I’d say it really is a VP audition except Trump is just as likely to choose a running mate from the wait staff of Mar-a-Lago as from any of these folks.

  151. 151.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    @Suzanne: ​
     as if no one has ever seen “Scarface” or “Miami Vice”

  152. 152.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 10:46 pm

    Joe Biden retweets Nikki Haley calling out trump et al for adding $8T to the national debt. She’s gonna hate that more than the Republicans she was trying to tag

    Joe Biden @JoeBiden

    What she said.

  153. 153.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:47 pm

    I hope that bad lip syncing guy is still around.

  154. 154.

    The Kropenhagen Interpretation

    August 23, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    OT hit and run; cheers on the waning final hours of my fourth decade

  155. 155.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    @MomSense: sounds like Vivek is having a rough night

  156. 156.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    Christie isn’t happy about being asked the UFO question.

  157. 157.

    Jeffro

    August 23, 2023 at 10:48 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I just saw that!

    Burn, GOP, burn!

  158. 158.

    mvr

    August 23, 2023 at 10:49 pm

    @marcopolo: ​
     In for a penny, in for 27 bucks. Because it is Wisconsin and they’re both on a roll and might matter.
    Thanks for the link!

  159. 159.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 10:49 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Who knows this is a Republican debate.

  160. 160.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 10:50 pm

    @catclub: ​
     

    3 days ago — U.S. Sen. Tommy Tuberville represents Alabama but lives in Florida. Frank Cerabino column explores this kind of border invasion.

  161. 161.

    mvr

    August 23, 2023 at 10:50 pm

    @catclub: He apparently lives in FL.

  162. 162.

    Rebel’s Dad

    August 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @Anoniminous: I know that that’s a popular talking point on the left, but it’s not entirely correct. England had sheriffs and night watchmen long before there even were American colonies.

    No doubt that slave patrols did have an impact on our modern-day policing system, especially in the South. But blaming everything on slave patrols is as intellectually lazy as ACAB or the Cadillac-driving welfare queen.

  163. 163.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @Alison Rose: ​
      WI Dems are killing it. Wikler is raising a shit ton of money off of the FOP convention. Labor unions and Milwaukee area Dems held a labor rights rally outside the Fiserv Forum. WI may be a closely contested state, but Milwaukee is deep blue.

  164. 164.

    Yarrow

    August 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    Vivek seems like the Andrew Yang of this cycle but Republican.

  165. 165.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 10:51 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wait till he starts rapping.

  166. 166.

    Lyrebird

    August 23, 2023 at 10:52 pm

    @sab: That sounds like a very heavy conversation indeed.

    Sending wishes of peace to you and to your relative.

  167. 167.

    HumboldtBlue

    August 23, 2023 at 10:53 pm

    Tucker Carlson is a weird fucking dude with a weird fucking laugh.

    Here, he and Trump get all mean girl on Chris Wallace.

  168. 168.

    topclimber

    August 23, 2023 at 10:53 pm

    @Baud:Dumb Brandon strikes (out)!

  169. 169.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 10:54 pm

    @MomSense: ​
     

    Somehow he also wants to keep the men in the house because the nuclear family is the most important blah blah blah.

    I see he’s attacking the thrice married, philandering front runner

  170. 170.

    TS

    August 23, 2023 at 10:54 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    sounds like Vivek is having a rough night

    I would hope so from the brief time I watched he was going back to fossil fuels, drowning government in the bath tub and generally doing everything to take MAGA to the extreme.

  171. 171.

    Jackie

    August 23, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I so love our President! That’s gonna be a “I approve this message” Biden ad!

  172. 172.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    Can I say that I am sooooo sick of the “taking the shower at the end of the day” trope?! Just take two showers. You’re not limited. IT’S A FREE COUNTRY, BE CLEAN.

  173. 173.

    marcopolo

    August 23, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    @mvr: Thanks!

  174. 174.

    TS

    August 23, 2023 at 10:56 pm

    MSNBC attacking Putin the dictator – they need to emphasise this is what the trump followers want for the USA

  175. 175.

    Lyrebird

    August 23, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    @MisterDancer: Thanks for putting such a broad perspective into clear terms.

    Lots to be discouraged about, though I have no doubt that the Biden Harris transition team made sure to have honest and loyal LEOs around POTUS and MVP.  Something that gives me hope here is the change I see since I was in school.  I am John Cole’s age just about.  In high school, you’d get nowhere fast pointing out violence as a tradition in white american society.  Totally shut down.  Could only call other people violent, that was totes okay.  Now there is more open discussion.

  176. 176.

    Wyatt Salamanca

    August 23, 2023 at 10:57 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    sounds like Vivek is having a rough night

    He deserves it because he’s been an arrogant prick ever since he started talking.

    I would have loved to swap out Vivek for Will Hurd so that there could have been one more anti-Trump Republican on the debate stage.

  177. 177.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    August 23, 2023 at 10:59 pm

    Lucy Caldwell@lucymcaldwell

    DeSantis just did it again. Misleading to suggest he was a SEAL. He cannot claim this was accidental or a slip of the tongue when he’s just done it again. This is officially stolen valor territory. Despicable.

    as a Navy JAG, he was legal advisor to a SEAL unit in Iraq

    ETA: here’s the video. put out by the same PAC that wrote that memo last week.

    And Jill Wine-Banks brings the kill shot

    Jill Wine-Banks @JillWineBan 47m
    DeSantis misled with his reference to being with Navy Seals. He was a legal advisor to the Seals and assisted with urinalysis according to a check online.

  178. 178.

    Rebel’s Dad

    August 23, 2023 at 10:59 pm

    OT got my grades for this semester: a 99 in Adult Education in Global Contexts, and a 96 in Understanding the Adult Learner. Onward to Fall in two weeks!

  179. 179.

    Jeffro

    August 23, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    @marcopolo:George Conway just noted that this debate is a demolition derby amongst all the candidates on stage while Trump is going untouched. Totally accurate.

    Yeah, that’s about right.  He can duck into his role as chief heckler (this time, of the Republican Party) and look ‘presidential’ just by virtue of previously lucking into the office and also by not being on this stage.

    Predicts Trump will hit 70% soon.

    I’ll give him 60%.  Just splitting hairs, though.

    I’d say it really is a VP audition except Trump is just as likely to choose a running mate from the wait staff of Mar-a-Lago as from any of these folks.

    For at least 4-5 of these folks, there will be no welcoming back or inviting into the fold (Pence, Haley, Christie, Hutchinson, DeSantis), and Burgum adds nothing to a potential trumpov 2024 ticket.

    Scott?  Maybe.  Ramaswamy?  Maybe?  But I think trumpov will want a white nationalist woman on the ticket – the ‘hotter’, the better, in his mind – so the usual suspects will probably be considered.

    I’ll say again: someone show me a path for any one of these clowns to dethrone trumpov at this point.  And after that, show me how they unite the GOP for 2024.

  180. 180.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 11:00 pm

    @MomSense: ​
     He probably will change his name to “Bobby Nicky”

  181. 181.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 11:02 pm

    Mr. Suzanne just said that Vivek looks coked up. Accurate.

  182. 182.

    Alison Rose

    August 23, 2023 at 11:03 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: By that rationale, I was a founding member of the Grateful Dead.

  183. 183.

    Ohio Mom

    August 23, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @Rebel’s Dad: Congrats!

  184. 184.

    Rebel’s Dad

    August 23, 2023 at 11:06 pm

    @Ohio Mom: Thank you :)

  185. 185.

    MomSense

    August 23, 2023 at 11:07 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I’m calling him crest white strips from now on.  Jesus Christ it’s too much.

  186. 186.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 11:08 pm

  187. 187.

    Peke Daddy

    August 23, 2023 at 11:09 pm

    @Tony G: Now, now, let’s not dabble in any of that conspiracy nonsense. It’s always a lone nut, right?

  188. 188.

    David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch

    August 23, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ​
     

    assisted with urinalysis

    What a pisser

  189. 189.

    prostratedragon

    August 23, 2023 at 11:10 pm

    @Gin & Tonic:  Not a good angle for anyone. Makes the person look a bit shifty.

     

    At least I think it’s the angle.

  190. 190.

    Timill

    August 23, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    @Alison Rose: Well, we knew that

  191. 191.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 11:11 pm

    Whatever else all of these fools are handing lots of ammunition to any Dem opponent in any election they stand in.

    They’re all abyssmal  and their inanities tonight are going to age like bean sprouts

  192. 192.

    Suzanne

    August 23, 2023 at 11:12 pm

    @MomSense: His teeth are freaky.

  193. 193.

    Manyakitty

    August 23, 2023 at 11:12 pm

    @The Kropenhagen Interpretation: many happy returns! 🥂

  194. 194.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: And not even the Head Pisser. He’s a  pisser second class

  195. 195.

    Manyakitty

    August 23, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    @Rebel’s Dad: well done!!

  196. 196.

    Steeplejack

    August 23, 2023 at 11:14 pm

    @Rebel’s Dad:

    👍 Good job!

  197. 197.

    kalakal

    August 23, 2023 at 11:16 pm

    @Rebel’s Dad: Well done!

  198. 198.

    piratedan

    August 23, 2023 at 11:20 pm

    @Jeffro: I would actually think Burgum would be perfect for Trump, he’s a complete nobody, will NOT take any attention away from Trump and comes from nowhere, has no power base and will most likely just do as he’s told.  He doesn’t need to “add” anything because Trump has never calculated politics that way.

    It’s like he’s graduated from Henchman University and needs to find a supervillian to take him on.

  199. 199.

    Formerly disgruntled in Oregon

    August 23, 2023 at 11:47 pm

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: Narc!

  200. 200.

    Captain C

    August 23, 2023 at 11:53 pm

    @Jeffro:

    Scott?  Maybe.  Ramaswamy?  Maybe?  But I think trumpov will want a white nationalist woman on the ticket – the ‘hotter’, the better, in his mind – so the usual suspects will probably be considered.

    The FSM doesn’t love us enough for it to be Boebert.  That would make the Sarah Palin choice look inspired.

  201. 201.

    Maxim

    August 24, 2023 at 12:11 am

    @Captain C: MTG has been bucking hard for the Veep slot.

  202. 202.

    Misterpuff

    August 24, 2023 at 12:12 am

    I want a clip of the Pence/Vivek set-to with Beavis and Butthead’s voices dubbed in.

    Assholio FTW and Dense is such a Butthead.

  203. 203.

    LiminalOwl

    August 24, 2023 at 1:04 am

    @sab: How awful for your sister and her classmate, and now for you learning about it. I’m so sorry.

  204. 204.

    Kathleen

    August 24, 2023 at 3:30 am

    @Steve in the ATL:  How long are you here?

  205. 205.

    Mel

    August 24, 2023 at 4:26 am

    @Rebel’s Dad: I’m way late to the thread, but wanted to say congratulations on your grades!! Are you an education major?

  206. 206.

    Mel

    August 24, 2023 at 4:34 am

    @Kathleen:  Steve needs to visit Eli’s Riverside for some Cincy BBQ, Ambar India in Clifton for Chicken Tikka, Holtman’s Donuts in OTR for the best raspberry filled donut ever, and Vera Cruz in Price Hill for their incredible fajitas before he leaves our fair city!

     

    @Steve in the ATL: Welcome to Cincy!

  207. 207.

    Rebel’s Dad

    August 24, 2023 at 5:50 am

    @Mel: Thank you :)

    Yes, I’m working on my Ed.M. in Adult and Continuing Education. This was my first semester.

  208. 208.

    Manyakitty

    August 24, 2023 at 6:07 am

    @piratedan: plus, he is apparently an actual rich guy.

  209. 209.

    Mel

    August 24, 2023 at 6:14 am

    @Rebel’s Dad: That’s really exciting! I taught high school, then taught and counseled in a college program designed to assist all sorts of adult learners/ non-trad students. I loved it. Working with adult students is a wonderful experience.

    From our chats in other threads, I can tell that you are a person with a lot of patience, strength, perseverance, and  compassion – the kind of person who  understands and cares about the kinds of obstacles that so many adult students are or have been up against.

    The profession (and the students) need good people like you!

  210. 210.

    brantl

    August 24, 2023 at 7:39 am

    @Suzanne: I would vote for brain-rot.

  211. 211.

    Paul in KY

    August 24, 2023 at 10:51 am

    @MomSense: An incompetent doctor too.

  212. 212.

    Paul in KY

    August 24, 2023 at 10:52 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Something about sneaking another kid into the birthing room, I think.

  213. 213.

    Paul in KY

    August 24, 2023 at 10:54 am

    @MomSense: Maybe it was a fentanyl pill they said was a percocet?

  214. 214.

    Paul in KY

    August 24, 2023 at 10:57 am

    @Rebel’s Dad: LEO people are generally the same kind of people who liked being dungeon guards & headsmen back in Middle Ages.

  215. 215.

    Paul in KY

    August 24, 2023 at 10:59 am

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: ‘Assisting with urineanalysis’ means he got to watch the urine leave the dick.

  216. 216.

    brantl

    August 24, 2023 at 11:09 am

    @catclub: The only house he owns is in Florida.

  217. 217.

    The Lodger

    August 24, 2023 at 11:44 am

    @David 🌈 ☘The Establishment☘🌈 Koch: That’s Pissantis

  218. 218.

    The Lodger

    August 24, 2023 at 11:49 am

     

     

     

    @Paul in KY: surprised more people don’t call him Pissantiskoguy guy b iou guy

  219. 219.

    Mo MacArbie

    August 24, 2023 at 5:04 pm

    So, not a SEAL but saw that they broke the seal.

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