Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Found liable for massive fraud, is required to post a massive bond, gets a break, then files a *fraudulent* bond!

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

Let there be snark.

Live so that if you miss a day of work people aren’t hoping you’re dead.

Republicans would impeach Biden if he bit into a whole Kit Kat rather than breaking the sections apart.

Pelosi: “He either is stupid, or he thinks the rest of us are.” Why not both?

Republicans: “Abortion is murder but you can take a bus to get one.” Easy peasy.

Putin dreamed of ending NATO, and now it’s Finnish-ed.

The media handbook says “controversial” is the most negative description that can be used for a Republican.

It could be worse. Vance could have said “post-menopausal sows.” Waiting for that audiotape to surface.

Nikki Haley, who can’t acknowledge ‘slavery’, is a pathetic shill.

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

Good lord, these people are nuts.

“Why isn’t this Snickers bar only a nickel?”

One of our two political parties is a cult whose leader admires Vladimir Putin.

Democrats are back in array!

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

The fundamental promise of conservatism all over the world is a return to an idealized past that never existed.

They fucked up the fucking up of the fuckup!

Books are my comfort food!

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Please don’t feed the bears.

If marriage is the equivalent of selling yourself into slavery, women with self respect should reject the offer.

Republicans don’t trust women.

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Late Night Open Thread: ‘Trump Evangelicals’, Same As Any Other Religious Cult

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American Evangelical communities have always pulsed in a grey area between ‘Prosperity Gospel’ and pure cultic ‘Anyone Not Of Our Body Must Be Eliminated’ — part boosterism, part paranoia. Trump has given a portion of the voters calling themselves Evangelicals (the ones most interested in punishing their perceived enemies) a new, more satisfying (to them!) church in which to worship.

You don’t have to be ‘religious’ to appreciate how much of American politics has been influenced by people looking for community, in a big sprawling country full of nomads where finding a church has historically been one of the easiest way of finding others with similar lifestyles…

They *are* ‘white supremacist Christian nationalists’, but they’re *also* evangelicals. Therefore, they consider themselves ‘called’ to testify the power & glory of their substitute god-emperor. The communal nature of their belief system is not disconnected from their actions!


‘Close to’? The only difference between the hardcore MAGAts and groups like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Chabad is a century of accretion… which Murphy the Trickster God forbid this new splinter group should somehow manage…

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  1. 1.

    TF79

    “The single biggest predictor of Trump support among white voters is “used to attend church weekly and no longer does”. ”

    huh, that’s wild.

  2. 2.

    Urza

    @TF79: I thought the pastors were turning many people.  I’m surprised as anyone they stopped going to church and thats how they have enough time to be brainwashed by Fox.

  3. 3.

    teezyskeezy

    Except they had, and maybe will have again, a leader with actual access to doomsday weapons. That is a bit of distinction from most other cults.

  4. 4.

    Urza

    @teezyskeezy: Reminds me about the story in the Bible where the Israelites cried out to have their own king instead of living however they were after conquering the promised land.  While the first king was at least claimed to be good, they went downhill pretty fast but no way out once it starts, especially if you claim the leader is ordained by god.

  5. 5.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    It’s an apocalyptic death cult whose savior has appeared and they want him to lead the way into Armageddon. Access to the nukes and the levers of power of the most powerful nation in the world is what they are after now. They’ve always been after the nukes, thus the Christian focus on Colorado Springs and the ‘angels’ there who control the nukes. We need to get to across to the rest of the people in our nation that if this happens it will probably interrupt their daily routines.

    Permanently.

  6. 6.

    Eric S.

    As a liberal atheist living in an urban hell hole Chicago, I was wholly unaware of non-churchgoing evangelicals. Learned something new today.

  7. 7.

    Urza

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: That reasoning is the only reason I can’t see how to break up the nation on ideological lines and let them suffer for their own sins without the help of the rest of us.  They’d demand at least half the nukes and that is absolutely not kosher, and would definitely turn around and use them on everyone that ever made them feel bad.

  8. 8.

    Villago Delenda Est

    The Vichy Times should be held in contempt, and this is yet another reason why the Ripley Solution is apparently the way.

  9. 9.

    Villago Delenda Est

    “This is a spiritual battle.” He then says that Marxism is bad because everyone in China has the same haircut.

    So do the Marines, asshole.

  10. 10.

    Citizen Alan

    Evanglical Christians worship the devil and are too fucking ignorant to realize it. I cling to a belief in the Christianity I was (barely) raised in because on Judgment Day, I want the satisfaction of seeing the look on every MAGAt’s face when Jesus tells them “Depart! I never knew you!”

  11. 11.

    cain

    @Urza: Shouldn’t churches be alarmed by this?

    It still feels weird to see this happening with media or anyone not spotlighting any church efforts to reign in this. I am assuming that there are efforts and I just haven’t heard of it.

  12. 12.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @Urza:

    I’ve always said the same thing. If Republicans could split off and form their own nation, the first order of business would be for them to attack the heathen nation next door.

    Republicans require an enemy to keep their voters enraged and engaged. Getting along with people is foreign to them, hatred is their way.

  14. 14.

    cain

    @Villago Delenda Est:

    I remember reading a lot of articles about the fashion set in South Korea where all the women try very hard to meet a “beauty standard” that ends up making everyone looking similar.

  16. 16.

    teezyskeezy

    @Urza: Some (liberal!) Christian friends of mine have invoked that one on several occasions with regards to Trump.  The key difference of course is with Trump, the FIRST king will be about as bad as they come.

  17. 17.

    smith

    @Citizen Alan: At this point, I think “Jesus” has become to them no more than a buzzword, an empty signifier used to display their tribal affiliation, sort of like “The Constitution” or “liberty.”

    One bit of poetic justice, though, is the huge drop in church attendance, which no doubt has left any number of evangelical pastors without the flocks they initially led into this cult of the Antichrist, and therefore without the income or influence they once had.

  18. 18.

    teezyskeezy

    This is a mistaken comment meant for another thread and I’ve edited it away…hm…what should I say though, since I have a comment to fill…

    I like pie and *strongly dislike christian nationalist evangelical Trump supporters…other than that I got nuthin’ to fill this void I created.

  19. 19.

    DaBunny42

    @Anne Laurie, “The only difference between the hardcore MAGAts…and Chabad is a century of accretion”?? Really.

    Trying to respond politely here, because my first response was…less than polite. I’ll just start by saying that it’s not factual. As your post points out repeatedly, Trumpsters are EX-churchgoers. Dunno about Mormons, but that’s definitely not true of Chabadniks.

    Another point: Trump’s charities are notoriously scams to make money for Trump or to cheat to IRS or both. Whereas Chabad is big on charity. A little too closely focused for my taste, but they walk the walk.

     

    Not to say they’re great. I *really* disagree with their gender and sexual politics. But there’s a huge difference between “not great, and are ugly as fuck on sex/gender” and “Trump”.

  20. 20.

    AlaskaReader

    Hey, Evangelicals, …yeah, you:

    If Jesus is to be coming again, you’re not mistaken in that he’d be coming for you,

    …it’s just not how you all be thinking.

  22. 22.

    Carlo Graziani

    American Evangelical communities have always pulsed in a grey area between ‘Prosperity Gospel’ and pure cultic ‘Anyone Not Of Our Body Must Be Eliminated’ — part boosterism, part paranoia. Trump has given a portion of the voters calling themselves Evangelicals (the ones most interested in punishing their perceived enemies) a new, more satisfying (to them!) church in which to worship.

    Unfortunately, US history of religious acceptance of oppressed sects appears to have resulted in a large population of people who measure the extent of their own “religious freedom” in terms of the degree to which they are permitted to suppress the freedom of others.

  23. 23.

    Sister Golden Bear

    @Odie Hugh Manatee:

    “Hatred is the most accessible and comprehensive of all the unifying agents. Mass movements can rise and spread without belief in a god, but never without a belief in a devil.”

    ― Eric Hoffer, The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements

  24. 24.

    Tony G

    @TF79: That’s surprising to me too.  I thought that they were church-going, Bible-reading Evangelicals (who are bad enough).  But that actually makes sense if I think about it.  In church they’d hear about that hippie Jesus Christ, with all of his woke ideology.  Their religion is white supremacy, and their savior is Donald Trump.  Christianity has nothing to do with it.

  25. 25.

    mrmoshpotato

    The only savior I can see’: Iowa evangelicals increasingly turn to worshiping Trump

    Disgusting and sad.

  27. 27.

    Steeplejack

    I strongly agree with @JeffJarvis above: “They are neither religious nor evangelical. They found a euphemism for ‘white supremacist/​nationalist’ that reporters buy.”

    It’s not even that just reporters “buy it.” “Evangelical” is a convenient euphemism for everyone that spackles over the sordid reality.

  28. 28.

    NotMax

    @Urza

    For every Hadrian there’s a Caligula. For every Trajan there’s an Elagabalus. For every Domitian there’s a Commodus. For every Claudius there’s a Caracalla.

  29. 29.

    Kent

    @smith:@Citizen Alan: At this point, I think “Jesus” has become to them no more than a buzzword, an empty signifier used to display their tribal affiliation, sort of like “The Constitution” or “liberty.”

    No, that’s wrong.  Jesus (or more accurately, the Bible) has become a weapon to deploy against:

    trans kids

    Anyone LGBT

    Civil Rights (CRT etc.)

    Literacy and library books

    Efforts to address climate change

    Abortion

    The Democratic Party

    etc. etc. etc.

  30. 30.

    Mai Naem mobile

    I have no issue with TFG Jim Jonesing his MAGAts. I’ve just about had enough of these people. They’ll probably drink red kool-aid if he tells them it’s part of making America great again.

  33. 33.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    He then says that Marxism is bad because everyone in China has the same haircut.

    Remind were Marx talked about The Dictatorship of Proletariat Housing Bubbles.

  34. 34.

    Anne Laurie

    @DaBunny42: Trying to respond politely here, because my first response was…less than polite. I’ll just start by saying that it’s not factual. As your post points out repeatedly, Trumpsters are EX-churchgoers. Dunno about Mormons, but that’s definitely not true of Chabadniks.

    The MAGAts are no longer going to their original churches, but they are most definitely attending ‘worship services’ when they watch Fox News (or the even more right-wing networks that have taken off in the wake of Trump’s presidency).  They are developing their own ritual observations, to go with the markers of membership Trump & his lesser grifters have been happy to sell them.

    My comparison with the Lubavichers & JWs — and I’m sorry for painting with such a broad brush — was only meant to contradict the widely held media belief that Trumpism isn’t a “real” political force, because it’s confined to a relatively small splinter of ‘weirdos’ who’ll soon move on to the next bandwagon.  And for most of the people currently wearing red hats, that’s probably true!  But it’s too easy for our officially secular society to assume that religion is just cosplay, and that every religious minority eventually dribbles away, like the Shakers.  Barring an apocalyptic event, I don’t think that’s gonna be true for today’s Trumpheads… they may die out, along w/TFG himself, but there’s plenty young angry Trumpists, not all of them professional grifters, who are capable of keepint The Faith alive well beyond the next electoral cycle.

  38. 38.

    persistentillusion

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: Oi, as someone who lives in COS while there are a lot of fundies here, there are also a lot of Democrats who have worked really hard to unfuck this town.  So, easy on the broad brush.

  44. 44.

    AlaskaReader

    @Harrison Wesley:  Ah, yes, following behind the Branch Davidians,

    …the Branch Stupidians, (the Bundy cosplayers),

    …the Branch Covidians, (pandemic denialisms),

    …there’s room for more.

    Dare one wish them all the success of the first iteration?

  45. 45.

    Anne Laurie

    @Mike in NC: Every white Evangelical is a fascist Trump-humping asshole.

    No, the Evangelicals we outsiders hear about are the ‘attention getters’ spotlighted by the current Republican party-in-power and its media enablers.   There are plenty of decent white Evangelicals who keep their heads down and do their best to practice the actual teachings of their New Testament!

    What I wanted to emphasize here is that — contra our failed major media — MAGAts are religious, just not in a way that’s good for them or anybody else.  Dealing with people in a cult is not the same as mocking a visible sub-sect of ‘those people’ (America’s new Hari Krishnas!) who we can assume are (a) all deluded idiot monsters who (b) can be treated like a minor cold, not a serious health (of the nation) issue.

    Calling an entire swath of Americans ‘fascist Trump-humping assholes’ just because that’s what we see is not that different from calling all Jews ‘Zionists’… it’s a slope we don’t want to make any more slippery!

  46. 46.

    AlaskaReader

    @NotMax: It was UV Trump obsessed/abscessed about.

    Conventional incandescent light bulbs also emit a good bit of invisible ultraviolet light, but they do not convert any of it to visible light. Consequently, a lot of the energy used to power an incandescent lamp is wasted.

    One advantage of a fluorescent lamp is its efficiency.

    …as to the application to the Trumpers, you do want efficiency, no?

  47. 47.

    John S.

    @cain:

    I just spent a week in Seoul, and this is absolutely accurate. There is a serious drive for homogeny when it comes to Korean beauty standards.

    Not that you couldn’t say that about most societies around the world when it comes to the fashion and beauty industries creating unrealistic standards for women (including our own), but it’s on overdrive there.

  48. 48.

    Anoniminous

    He then says that Marxism is bad because everyone in China has the same haircut.

    Evangelicals are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

    ETA:  Oh.  And Froomkin? —- go fuck yourself.

  49. 49.

    teezyskeezy

    @Odie Hugh Manatee: And note to them that Bikini Atoll is *still* uninhabitable. Well, if you want to live any reasonable length of time, anyway.  It’s not some big exciting bang that then just goes away.

    Right wing fascists and horseshoe leftist in my opinion deserve that outcome if their actions lead to it.  I don’t think the rest of us do, though. That’s the real sticking point.

  51. 51.

    John S.

    @Anne Laurie:

    The only thing that makes JWs stick out like a sore thumb here is that they are fiercely apolitical. They never had nor ever will have political clout because voting is literally against their religion.

  54. 54.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Quadrillipede: FWIW, I (almost) never use the URL button: I just paste the URL (sometimes in parens with spaces, so I can put a little bit of text before it), and FYWP does its magic to turn it into a hotlink.

  56. 56.

    Anoniminous

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques:

    Remind were Marx talked about The Dictatorship of Proletariat Housing Bubbles.

    There’s a joke in there somewhere about HOA rules under the Dictatorship of the Proletariat that I’m too tired to find.

  57. 57.

    AlaskaReader

    @Anne Laurie: Those ‘evangelicals’ keeping their heads down should maybe be stridently calling out the hypocrisy of their fellows,

    …but, to me, …they more credibly resemble silent accomplices.

  59. 59.

    Elizabelle

    FWIW, I have really been enjoying a series of lectures on Edward Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.  It’s about 1,000 years of history, and helps tie some threads together for me.  Available free through the end of January; it’s 24 thirty-minute lectures.

    Presenter is Dr. Leo Damrosch, an English professor emeritus at Harvard.  I like his voice, and he gets to the point pretty quickly.  Not a lot of wandering, because he (and Gibbon) have a lot of ground to cover.

    Might be more beneficial than thinking hard on the Trumpevangicalists.

    Amazon Prime link.

  64. 64.

    David ⛄ 🎅The Establishment🎄 🦌 🕎 Koch

    I believe in going to church every Sunday, unless there’s a ball game.

  66. 66.

    AlaskaReader

    People who believed in forcing their version of a right-wing Christian agenda on the rest of the world were once described as ‘fundamentalists.

    Since many of the more prominent of them bristle at the term ‘fundamentalist’, there was a concerted effort to get the media to refer to them as ‘evangelicals’.

    When they aren’t just complicit in deceit, the entirety of the press is so easily pawned.

    Christofascist is a more apt descriptive term for these right-wing extremists.

    James Dobson’s Focus on the Family is a good example of a Christofascist hate group.

  68. 68.

    Anoniminous

    @lurker: ​ For saying “These people who worship Trump who the NYT cravenly ID’s as “evangelicals” are in fact white supremacist Christian nationalists.”
    There’s scads of evidence Evangelicals are fanatically supporting Trump.​
    ​
    ​

  69. 69.

    No One You Know

    OT, maybe, but am I the only person listening to MSNBC tonight wondering why no one has asked if Nikki isn’t the spoiler candidate for conservative Democrats, which is would explain both her lackluster campaign and Trump’s attacks on her?

  71. 71.

    teezyskeezy

    @AlaskaReader: Let me warn you: this is going to be an annoying thing I am going to tell you, and it annoys me too, but there is a whole discourse now about how using the term “christofascist” is seen as outdated and out of touch and untrendy now, because the youngs don’t remember ‘islamofascism’ and if they did they’d find it kind of a lame parody reference these days.

    But I agree the term is quite accurate, but it’s just not gonna penetrate the zeitgeist anymore.

  72. 72.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Bupalos: From what I gathered, both from Bret Devereaux’s military history perspective, and Mary Beard’s archeology/history writings, I tend to agree.  But I’m not an archeologist, nor historian.

  73. 73.

    Bupalos

    The thirsty need to deny that Trumpists are Christian is pretty weird. This isn’t an outlier. Most “Christians” fit in this frame. Very very very few christians “follow christ” in the sense being demanded. Same for all the religions.

  74. 74.

    Chetan Murthy

    @teezyskeezy: ehh, idunno, I think that what you’re seeing is just the evidence of Fox News and other RWNJ propaganda.  Christofascist, Talibangelical, they’re both quite meaningful and in wide circulation among progressives.  Just …. lots of Americans aren’t progressives.

  75. 75.

    wjca

    @Harrison Wesley: How long until the MAGAts become Branch Trumpidians?

    Eventually (speed the day!) Trump will die.  How many of his cultists will decide that they should follow him?  Just because they aren’t gathered together to drink the Kool-aid won’t change the phenomena.

  77. 77.

    lurker

    @Anoniminous: have seen some commentary that a lot of these people call themselves evangelicals, but polls show many of them no longer go to church, making it more of a polite label the media can use, rather than identifying people who are “called to proclaim the good news” and such.

     

    Seems like what Froomkin is getting at is that these people call themselves evangelicals but are really using that as a way to hid what they really are – white nationalists who might or might not really believe in anything christian – which would also explain a “christian” supporting a dude like Trump.

    YMMV, but this does not seem like Froomkin trying to claim that evangelicals do not support Trump, which is pretty much indisputable.

  78. 78.

    Odie Hugh Manatee

    @persistentillusion:

    There was no broad brush, I was quite specific about the people I am talking about. I was not talking about all of Colorado Springs because that would be fucking stupid.

  80. 80.

    Elizabelle

    @NotMax: LOL.  Haven’t gotten to that one yet.

    @Bupalos:   Maybe.  But props, because the first volume was published in 1776.  As was Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations.  Easy date to remember.

  81. 81.

    Bupalos

    @Chetan Murthy: it’s close to garbage. There isn’t a single flaw that post ’60 historiography has identified that gibbon doesn’t exhibit in spades.

    You’re literally worse off after you’ve read it. You know a lot of clearly stated internal facts about Roman history that you won’t remember for 10 minutes and a lot of synthetically woven falsehood you’ll remember for a lifetime.

    Better to just don’t. Took me 2 months to read gibbon and 2 years to flush it away.

  82. 82.

    teezyskeezy

    @wjca: If nytimes treated magats the way they treat *everyone else* they’d call it a  “demographic shift” and leave it at that.

  83. 83.

    Elizabelle

    @NotMax:  I love Mary Beard!  Have not actually read any of her books (bad on me), but she is marvelous in the documentaries.

  84. 84.

    Bupalos

    @NotMax: mary beard is waaay better. But anyone doing history centering “The Roman Empire” these days….

    Has to be something wrong with you as a historian in 2000- to do that. That’s a commercial enterprise.

  86. 86.

    teezyskeezy

    @Bupalos: So, early in my life, I felt a person should try to understand where modern civilization came from and read about the early empires, the Roman one being *somewhat* significant. So for a decade I felt like crap for being too weak to tackle Rise and Fall…then I started reading critiques like you are talking about and suddenly felt free…I made the right choice to avoid it.

    Now though…there are so many books about the Roman Empire, I don’t know how to pick. There’s no longer a single definitive source.  So I’m neurotic about it again for a different reason.

  87. 87.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Bupalos: Oh,  idunno.  I’m not a historian.  But I’ve found valuable insights in histories of the Nazi times, the French Revolution, various periods of French history during the 19th century, the Roman Republic, and Classical Greece.  All of that, since 2016.  Specifically, I remember Bret Devereaux’s two posts on insurrections in Classical Greece, that he posted soon after the Epiphany Coup.  Enormously educational and context-setting posts.  And Edward Watt’s _Mortal Republic_ about the end of the Roman Republic couldn’t be more relevant at this particular moment.  Truly.

  89. 89.

    teezyskeezy

    @Chetan Murthy: I think it’s a meaningful description, but it’s going out of style, apparently. It’s not that it’s wrong, it’s just that it’s like the whole calling lunch dinner and dinner supper kind of thing. It dates one.

  90. 90.

    teezyskeezy

    @Bupalos: Is that really fair? The Roman Empire is pretty significant, yes?  It’s why we differentiate “continents” of Europe and Asia (a political/cultural construct), but it itself spanned both continents for a time. Is Roman history really a settled thing, like atomic physics? Is it really of no value outside being a commercial enterprise?

  91. 91.

    Gretchen

    @cain: the churches are contributing to it. I’m reading The Kingdom, The Power, and the Glory. He goes to his father’s funeral at the church his dad was pastor of, and he gets harangued by church members for writing things critical of Trump, so he goes to a bunch of churches to study the phenomenon.

  92. 92.

    Sure Lurkalot

    @Chetan Murthy:

    I really liked Mary Beard’s _SPQR_.  I’m sure there are other excellent books.

    SPQR is a great read and I also enjoyed the audiobook. Emperor of Rome is also worth reading.

  93. 93.

    Chetan Murthy

    @Sure Lurkalot: One of the things I really liked about SPQR, was that she brought the research into the lives of poorer Romans, and women.  It wasn’t just about the 1% and the *male* 1% at that.

  95. 95.

    AlaskaReader

    @teezyskeezy: Wait, It’s no secret that most of the information that accurately depicts many various things, and/or entities, don’t penetrate into the consciousness of any number of various groupings of individuals.

    It’s always been that way.  Most especially cult groupings.

    Any ‘discourse’ that says you can’t use words because the yoots don’t have an associated ‘memory’?  How can the ‘yoots’ learn what a word means, (or anything at all), if it’s been excised ?

    …those folks don’t want the yoots to learn a history based on reality.

    Substituting words that have very clear meanings with words that don’t is no way to pass along knowledge.

    Languages get repressed, or watered down, most often at the whims of overlords who wish to control narrative.

    I like words with specific definitions.  The ‘yoots’ can just wiki Christo-fascism.  Christo-fascists are well described therein.

  96. 96.

    AlaskaReader

    @wjca: Trump is not required, …Republicanism is the foundational basis for Trumpism, it’s analogous,

    …all the way down.

  97. 97.

    AlaskaReader

    @teezyskeezy: Nope,  You have to consider what’s behind the resistance to the word.

    …just like they didn’t like being called ‘fundamentalists’, they really don’t like a more accurate term.

  98. 98.

    lowtechcyclist

    @smith: ​
     

    One bit of poetic justice, though, is the huge drop in church attendance, which no doubt has left any number of evangelical pastors without the flocks they initially led into this cult of the Antichrist, and therefore without the income or influence they once had.

    I’d really like to see some numbers on this, particularly by gender.

    Lord knows it’s been true for more than just the last decade that within evangelicalism, women are much more reliable church attendees than their husbands are. The (male) pastor may do the preaching, but it’s the women who keep the place running.

    So the question I have is, is it just men who’ve gone from attending church semi-regularly (like once every two or three weeks, but saying they attend weekly) to not attending at all, or have women been dropping out as well?

    Since the wives would generally be putting money in the collection plate for the family since they’d be there every week, the money would keep coming in as long as the women didn’t drop out. But if they dropped out too, a lot of evangelical churches would fold. Which would be A-OK with me.

  99. 99.

    lowtechcyclist

    @teezyskeezy:

    Let me warn you: this is going to be an annoying thing I am going to tell you, and it annoys me too, but there is a whole discourse now about how using the term “christofascist” is seen as outdated and out of touch and untrendy now, because the youngs don’t remember ‘islamofascism’ and if they did they’d find it kind of a lame parody reference these days.

    But I agree the term is quite accurate, but it’s just not gonna penetrate the zeitgeist anymore.

    I’m plenty old enough to remember the whole ‘islamofascist’ bit from the Shrub era, but I never made the connection back to it when I started seeing ‘Christofascist’ being used. It just made sense in and of itself.

  102. 102.

    evodevo

    @Eric S.: ​  I don’t know about that stat…all the MAGAts I know go to megachurches or local fundie denominations like Assembly of God or Nazarenes or independent Baptists… and the preachers are uniformly nuts…​
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  103. 103.

    evodevo

    @smith: Yes…they have basically lost the younger generation, and they are in a blind panic about it – various hucksters proposing all sorts of Jeezusy solutions to the problem, none of which address the central question, which is their commitment to rabid culture war posturing.  They just CANNOT give that up…

  105. 105.

    misterpuff

    @cain:

    I remember reading a lot of articles about the fashion set in South Korea where all the women try very hard to meet a “beauty standard” that ends up making everyone looking similar.

    You mean like Fox News female Propaganda readers?

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