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We’re nearly at the end of Black History Month, and I realized that we haven’t talked about that at all on Medium Cool, and maybe not even on Balloon Juice more generally – though there has been talk of the “audacity” of a certain black female artist who dared to make some country music. How dare she suggest that country music might have its roots in something besides good ‘ole redneck boys?! Doesn’t she know her place!?
Anyway, let’s use this space to talk about the cultural roots of all sorts of music. It seems to me that culture spreads in all directions.
And we’re off.
SiubhanDuinne
I don’t follow Beyoncé, and I’m in general not a fan of country music — I don’t dislike either of them, I’m just unfamiliar with both the artist and the genre, and therefore don’t feel qualified to opine. But I did hear Beyoncé’s “Texas Hold ‘Em” a few weeks ago, and loved it! I like the idea that even at my vast age, I can still be open to appreciating new (to me) music. Good stuff.
owlbrick
A big tip of the hat to Rhiannon Giddens, playing banjo on that Beyonce track… a major figure in bringing recognition to Black country and roots music.
RSA
This is most of the contents of a PBS page, on 20th century popular music, but it’s hard to know what to leave out. It appropriately recognizes the influence of African Americans on almost everything we listen to today.
TBone
A precursor to Led Zeppelin I had never heard of till a few days ago. Scottish psychedelic folk.
https://youtu.be/nu0brlGGQ2Y
Per Wikipedia: “…1968 was the band’s annus mirabilis with the release of their two most-celebrated albums, The Hangman’s Beautiful Daughter and the double LP Wee Tam and the Big Huge (issued as two separate albums in the US). Hangman’s reached the top 5 in the UK album charts soon after its release in March 1968 and was nominated for a Grammy in the US. Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin said his group found their way by playing Hangman’s and following the instructions.[8]
Who knew?
WaterGirl
@TBone: More than 7 links throws you into moderation.
So if you’re copying from Wikipedia, the king of links, it’s good to use “paste and match style” or whatever your system calls it, so you can paste the text without all the links.
eclare
@owlbrick:
I wondered who played on that, thank you!
Baud
@RSA:
White people still have polka.
WaterGirl
@Baud: Yeah, but here in America, we surely got the polka from Europe.
TBone
@WaterGirl: thanks, I thought I stepped in it again and was befuddled! Whew, sigh of relief 😊 it ain’t easy being green (like Kermit sang!) I will not do THAT again 😆
prostratedragon
How it started: Chieftans and Carolina Chocolate Drops
TBone
PSA in his ‘Reason to Smile’ today, Dan Rather spoke of a Netflix documentary about the making of the ‘We Are the World” collaboration called “The Greatest Night in Pop” and I haven’t yet seen it but plan to. No more links 😆
Tony Jay
@Baud:
Didn’t you hear? The Turks took that.
Why did you even think the main beef of the Gates of Vienna lot was about? Those cats just really want their polka standards back from the perfidious infidel.
eclare
@TBone:
Lionel Richie was on Kimmel recently promoting that documentary, it sounds good. He talked about including Cyndi Lauper over Madonna.
NotMax
@Baud
And the Fox … trot.
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glc
I recall seeing juke boxes with early rock’n’roll way at the end of the listings. I believe the category header was “Rhythm and Blues” and in any case it was probably there for the black customers but at some point white kids started playing the music in that section generally over their parents’ objections. I understand it was also called “race music” though in my part of the world I didn’t encounter that expression. Probably not the marketers’ term for it. I believe that the rock and roll stayed in that place in the catalog for quite a while even when the music was all over AM radio. Anyway when the family went to a diner I got a nickel or two for the jukebox (or, more properly, for the interface at the table, with a flippable menu). My English teacher (who was also a family friend) was very unhappy with the lyrical conventions of the genre. He did not voice musical objections.
I enjoyed “Elvis”. I meant to see “Priscilla”as well, vaguely, but I tend to miss most of the things I intend to see, in practice.
(In other news, having finished Stross’s “Regency romance” [this is not my own view] Season of Skulls, which is very funny, I’m reading Translation State by Ann Leckie, which is quite satisfyingly odd.)
TBone
@eclare: cool, thanks! I’ll be giving it a whirl soon. I was just thinking of a class I took in Community College (I played hooky from 7:30am first period gym class for the entire first year of high school and was caught right before the end of that school year, so it was a make up credit class). We went all the way back to the beginnings of music (drums), through Gregorian Chants to classical. Haven’t thought about that class in years but I’m glad I skipped gym! Who wants to run around outside in shorts and a T-shirt in September’s early morning frost? Tangent over.
Villago Delenda Est
This is a good song. The “visualizer” stuff, though, seems to be a cost saving measure as opposed to an actual video. Same image over and over again for the duration of the song.
NotMax
On topic, a general shout-out to film director Oscar Micheaux.
TBone
@NotMax: nice! Black history 😍
Villago Delenda Est
@TBone: I loathe “We Are The World” every bit as much as “Do They Know It’s Christmas”. Both came from the same basically decent place, but the results were horrendous.
MomSense
@SiubhanDuinne:
I learned the viral tik tok dance to that song. It’s a lot of fun. One of my favorite dances to that song is by the Irish clogging brothers. It’s such a cool mash up of Irish and American country.
For those who question Beyoncé’s country chops, there is a great video of her performing with the Dixie Chicks.
TBone
@Villago Delenda Est: I wasn’t a fan at the time either but I remember Live Aid (around the same time?) and thought the look back might be fun. It was an all nighter according to Dan Rather and apparently there was some grumpy feuding.
Memory Pallas
@TBone:
I certainly knew! I took The Hangman’s Beautiful Daughter LP out of my local New York Pubic Library branch as a kid, because the people posed on the cover looked sort of Tolkien-y. By the 1980s, I could no longer listen to lovely music without a dollop of irony in it. But now, I can again! And I do!
prostratedragon
@Baud: Can’t quickly find a citation, but have heard it was one of the first big worldwide dance crazes, even to some popular styles in e.g. the Phillipines in the late 1800s. The rhythm does feature in lots of things. Of course it was preceded in Europe by several African dance rhythms such as folia, sarabande, and chaconne that began spreading centuries before.
Eddie Gonzales y Grupo Vida
TBone
@Memory Pallas: ❤️
UncleEbeneezer
@glc: We just watched Priscilla last night. It was interesting to see a movie of that subject matter but with Sophia Coppola’s signature style. Elvis was an asshole thou, and the whole courting of Priscilla was super-creepy. Which the movie definitely highlights. The hairdo’s are the real star of the film!
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: A little place called Poland.
zhena gogolia
@Villago Delenda Est: It’s a nice image, though. 😂
NotMax
Did someone say Country?
The Pointer Sisters, Fairytale.
Omnes Omnibus
Music and culture? Let me drop Ireland’s entry to Eurovision on you. Meet Bambi Thug. Not the Chieftains, Clannad, or U2.
Scout211
I love the Chicks. I had to look that one up. Beyoncé and The (Dixie) Chicks Daddy Lessons CMA Awards 2016.
Suzanne
I am thinking about the painter Ed Mell, who died this week at the age of 81. It is no exaggeration to say that he changed the way I saw Arizona and its landscape, the sense of proportion of the earth to the sky.
His primary artistic influence is likely Maynard Dixon. If you don’t know Dixon’s work, rectify that.
Villago Delenda Est
@TBone: Live Aid was a totally different thing, in my mind…all that talent giving it up and in the process raising millions that could be used to make a real difference.
eclare
@Omnes Omnibus:
Wow, that is, wow. I need to watch that Eurovision movie satire with Will Farrell. I bet it isn’t far off from truth.
TBone
@UncleEbeneezer: I have a male friend who was in a band with another female friend and he does Elvis to a T, including the hair. Wicked sense of humor. It was a rockabilly, rock, and country band (now defunct due to age). Reed is the lead and Debi is female vocals.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ccY71TsCwzs
The Double Clutchin Weasels. We had a LOT of fun in the local bars, those were the days!
WaterGirl
@Villago Delenda Est: The other option I saw was with lyrics. Maybe that would be better?
UncleEbeneezer
My favorite Black Comedy podcast the Black Guy Who Tips are friends with and invite Vernon Reid and Corey Glover from the rock band Living Colour on semi-regularly and they always do these deep dives on Black influence on music in America. Vernon (the guitarist) is a really great follow on social media and he damn well could be a Music Historian, his knowledge is so extensive. Their discussions about what it’s been like to be one of only a few Black bands in the majority-White, hard-rock/metal genre have been enlightening. They have lots of stories.
different-church-lady
What in hell’s name is an “Official Visualizer”?
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: I thought of Poland because I grew up in a polish bohemian neighborhood, but I didn’t want to assume that I had the origin correct. Grown-up WG immediately thought of Poland and Ukraine.
NotMax
When appropriation hurtles off the deep end: Liberace.
:)
TBone
@different-church-lady: I too have no clue!
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Holy cow, when that started playing, it scared my cat!
TBone
@NotMax: I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Nonbinary, Goth Sidhe FTW.
BeautifulPlumage
I hung out at many a square dance event growing up but never realized it was a made-up thing to counter the black jazz & dance popularity of the 30’s. I think Ford was big mover of it. Will try to look up a reference.
ETA spelling!!!
Yarrow
The Beyonce’s “Texas Hold Em” always reminds me of Lyle Lovett’s “L.A. County.” At least the opening/chorus of “Texas Hold ‘Em.”
TBone
@Suzanne: I saw a short on TCM that said director John Ford wanted his scenes to look like those famous paintings. I think it was Dixon’s work if I remember correctly.
Yarrow
@eclare: You really should watch it. It’s awesome and hilarious. I mean, you know what you’re getting but it’s done really well. Very fun.
Villago Delenda Est
@WaterGirl: I’m not objecting per se to the image (I mean, cripes, what a chassis!) but just to the concept of visualizer as a substitute for an actual performance. Lyrics might be nice, though!
Villago Delenda Est
@NotMax: Shades of Liberace’s guest shot on Batman!
eclare
@Yarrow:
Thanks!
prostratedragon
In which connection, Michaux and his work are featured right now in a gallery at the @NotMax:
Academy Museum of Motion Pictures, along with several other topics involving AA people in mivie history.
Oh goodness, I’m replying to NotMax at 18 above.
BeautifulPlumage
@BeautifulPlumage:
here’s an example
hells littlest angel
I am a fan of neither Beyonce nor country music, but that tune is wild!
BeautifulPlumage
@RSA:
I should have tagged your comment. My parents were big into square dancing, and we learned it in school, but I never realized it was a racist reaction to black music & dance.
MomSense
@eclare:
The funniest thing about that movie is that in the promotional interviews he did before the release he talks about the first time he saw a Eurovision contest. He was with his wife’s family in Sweden( I think) and after dinner his brother in law suggested they watch. Will sat mesmerized for three hours unable to speak. Now I think his zoolander character was based on Eurovision contestants.
zhena gogolia
@BeautifulPlumage: I didn’t either. It’s one of the two things (jumping rope was the other) I ever got an A on in gym class.
Jackie
@Scout211: Thanks for posting that! I love the (Dixie) Chicks, too! Beyoncé was amazing.
Another Scott
The Who had a rivalry with Jimi Hendrix and there was a bit of a competition to see who could one-up other at Monterey Pop and Woodstock.
One of The Who’s box sets is 30 Years of Maximum R&B. I’m sure they were inspired by it, and they covered at least one of Mose Allison‘s songs (Allison was white), but I think it’s a stretch to call them an R&B band.
Still, it’s really, really clear that Black Americans, and those inspired by them, had a huge influence on modern popular music of all kinds.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Matt McIrvin
I confess, this is the first time I’ve actually listened to Beyoncé’s “Texas Hold’Em.”
Holy crap, that’s a good country song. And about ten times as country as most of the stuff currently on the country charts, to my ears.
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
I like it. A song you can dance to.
Matt McIrvin
@owlbrick:
Aha! Yeah, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at her involvement. She’s so great.
Baud
The Beyonce song was interesting, but I was expecting the video to end with John Cleese stabbing the guards at the gate with his sword.
Matt McIrvin
@Yarrow: Lovett’s “That’s Right, You’re Not From Texas” always makes me sad. Because he says “but Texas wants you anyway” and frankly I don’t believe it.
Matt McIrvin
(Lovett puts on a great show though, I saw him at what was then called Great Woods about a million years ago)
raven
From 1966 to the early Eighties, Charley Pride was a country chart stalwart, scoring 29 Number Ones on Billboard’s Hot Country Songs chart and more than 50 Top Tens in total.
Is Anybody Goin to San Antone?
Yarrow
@Baud: I take it you’re not familiar with Tejano/ norteño/ conjunto music.
raven
@Another Scott: Everybody Cryin Mercy.
I can’t believe the things I’m seeing
I wonder ’bout some things I’ve heard
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t know the meaning of the word
Citizen Dave
Major major Who (the band, not the Doctor) fan. Was always perplexed by their use of (well known poster) of Maximum R&B. I think because Daltey was trying to sing like James Brown and similar guys, and they just had a different view of “R&B”. And it was just a phase for them.
Enjoyed a couple of John Coltrane albums today, including his “new” live one from 1961 or something. He played flute for 5-6 minutes to start My Favorite Things before going to his sax. Transcendent
A few minutes ago finished Season 5 of Fargo. Fantastic. First season of that one I’ve watched.
prostratedragon
Preceded by a careful explanation of whst bongo and conga drums and maracas are: “El cumbanchero,” Liberace.
piratedan
The PBS documentary on Country Music wasn’t afraid to call out roots music as one of the foundations of country music. Burns noted that some of the founding members of the genre were POC and like a LOT of things in this country, White People did their best to appropriate it. The documentary also noted the popularity of Charley Pride and Johnny Rodriguez and Freddy Fender and their collective impact in the genre. Burns also noted that Black influences are more prevalent today with Giddens, Darius Rucker and other artists not shying away from the genre with some cross-over effects (Lil Nas X).
billcinsd
@owlbrick: The Carolina Chocolate Drops were great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmPf1CJaF5s
NotMax
@Citizen Dave
I hear tell the Rs aim to criminalize recreational sax.
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Harrison Wesley
@Yarrow: All I know about it is via the late Doug Sahm and his bands. There’s gotta be a lot more, but I haven’t listened to too much music in the last couple of years.
prostratedragon
@Yarrow: That’s a tejano tune @24.
Yarrow
@prostratedragon: I don’t see any song in comment 21. Edit: Ah, I see you updated the comment number.
Jackie
@raven: I’ve always loved Charlie Pride’s voice.
prostratedragon
@Yarrow: Sorry, I edited. It’s @24.
Another Scott
@raven: :-)
Young Man Blues (5:43)
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: I’ll see you one Bambi Thug and raise you a Lordi, Hard Rock Hallelujah (Eurovision winner 2006)
ETA: Man, Eurovision has sure come a long way since the 90s and the reign of Schlage…
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Finns do that kind of thing all the time. This was Ireland.
Sure Lurkalot
@Omnes Omnibus: Did you link this earlier because I watched it yesterday(?) I thought it was great but I have no pets at the moment to scare.
prostratedragon
“Middle Class White Boy,” Mose Allison
laura
I can’t wait to buy Beyonce’s country album on Record Store Day- can’t wait to see the who all’s who play with her, cant wait to see her take this album on the road, but most of all, I Can’t Wait until she comes for Rock and Roll. I wish I could lurk in her design process- she is amazing.
glc
@prostratedragon: Somehow this takes me back to “The mouse is a ventriloquist.”
https://www.ba-bamail.com/jokes/animal-jokes/?jokeid=817
(frog/rat but I prefer the canary/mouse version).
Omnes Omnibus
@Sure Lurkalot: I did link it last night or Friday.
rekoob
@Suzanne: Beautiful examples. Moving a bit east, can recommend:
Gustave Baumann
and
Dan Namingha
Full disclosure: I’m lucky to have works of both in my modest collection.
Melancholy Jaques
@Citizen Dave:
Maximum R & B was a phase for The Who. Before they started writing their own songs, they were playing covers of Motown what we would now call soul.
prostratedragon
glc@85: Hey … 😁
Suzanne
@rekoob: I love those Baumann prints!
I bought a Kiyoshi Saito print last year and I love it so much. I have a Robert Kipniss print, too, that I got as a gift.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: Oh, I got it. I got it! LOL
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: “Finns do that kind of thing all the time”? LOL!
schrodingers_cat
Music composed by Lata Mangeshkar and sung by Lata Mangeshkar
Lyrics by Yogesh.
Wistful composition about having to leave one’s home, not knowing if you will be ever able to return.
Akhercha ha tula dandavat (My last goodbye to you)
Its from an old Marathi movie about Shivaji’s first major military victory and capture of the fort of Torna when he was still a teen
Another Scott
@Villago Delenda Est: @different-church-lady:
Made me look… HighSnobiety.com:
Looks like yet another example of Black American artists stretching a medium.
Cheers,
Scott.
Raven
@Another Scott: I saw Mose in a little joint in Boston the night after I saw the Allman Brothers on the Common August 17, 1971.
Gin & Tonic
@Raven: The Jazz Workshop, maybe? I saw him there in 73 or 74. Small, downstairs place on Boylston.
realbtl
@Raven: I saw him in a little place in San Francisco in 1992 still going strong.
Another Scott
@Raven: @Gin & Tonic:
My J grew up in Concord and loved going in to Boston to hear live music at The Rat and similar places. Don’t think she ever saw Mose though.
Cheers,
Scott.
laura
I’m going to see Asleep at the Wheel open for Willie Nelson at the Greek Theatre in April. I’m stoked!
Redshift
I was listening to The Big Broadcast (NPR old time radio show) and they had a 1947 interview with Ethel Waters, who I’ll admit I was not familiar with. She was the blues singer turned actress who became the first Black woman in Broadway and so much more. The interview was fascinating, because they asked a few questions and then just let her talk at length.
Now I really want someone to do a revival of the swing version of the Mikado she mentioned as an aside (referring to “Three Little Maids from Harlem.)
Jackie
@laura: I’m ENVIOUS! I love Asleep at the Wheel and Texas swing.
And Willie is always Willie ♥️
glc
@Another Scott: There was one of those visualizers downstairs at MOMA last time I was there (1960s) and I suppose there still may be. I liked it.
TBone
Here’s of cover of Pink’s song by the legendary Shirley Bassey
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vqNcyFNMfLM
TBone
And Big Mama Thornton always gets it!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wxoGvBQtjpM
Layer8Problem
@Villago Delenda Est: ” . . . Liberace’s guest shot on Batman!”
If I recall the episode correctly, make that a double shot.
I’ll see myself out.
Scout211
@TBone: Now that was something else! I love P!nk. And Shirley Bassey, OMG. What an amazing voice she still has. Well, that was 16 years ago at age 70, but still. Wow.
TBone
@Scout211: have you seen this?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yzLT6_TQmq8
❤️
NotMax
Alberta Hunter, I’m Havin’ a Good Time.
NaijaGal
For an ad, but I still can’t get over this Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings cover of the Allman Brothers’ Midnight Rambler. RIP Sharon Jones. This land is your land.
Sister Golden Bear
@UncleEbeneezer:
You want hairdos, we got hairdos: Here in SF there was the Ethel Merman Experience, fronted by a drag queen sporting hair that higher to god. Because you always wanted to hear Smells Like Teen Spirit as covered by Ethel Merman.
billcinsd
@NaijaGal: Sharon died the night Trump won the Presidency. If I were her, I would have just emigrated
NaijaGal
@billcinsd: Did not know that :(.
NaijaGal
@TBone: That was great – I didn’t know she’d done a cover.
Propellerheads and Shirley Bassey – History repeating.
A nod to Shirley’s father’s Nigerian roots. The oja ancestral flute used in modern music – ojapiano.
prostratedragon
“Um sonho [A Dream],” Gilberto Gil with Raimondo Lima
Lyrics
TBone
@NaijaGal: that is so frickin’ cool, thank you for posting!
Miss Bianca
@Sister Golden Bear: Way late to the thread, but I always thought “Love Will Tear Up Apart (Again)” would have been an awesome Ethel Merman cover. Glad to hear someone is out there making stuff like that happen!