Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Democrats have delivered the Square Deal, the New Deal, the Fair Deal, and now… the Big Joe Biden Deal.

Even though I know this is a bad idea, I’m off to do it anyway!

When the time comes to make an endorsement, the pain of NYT editors will be palpable as they reluctantly whisper “Biden.”

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Republicans choose power over democracy, every day.

with the Kraken taking a plea, the Cheese stands alone.

Be a traveling stable for those who can’t find room at the inn.

I conferred with the team and they all agree – still not tired of winning!

Peak wingnut was a lie.

Roe isn’t about choice, it’s about freedom.

This must be what justice looks like, not vengeful, just peaceful exuberance.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

No Justins, No Peace

No offense, but this thread hasn’t been about you for quite a while.

Books are my comfort food!

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

The jury literally has a bell they can ring to force Trump to show up on command. Greatest thing ever!

Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.

When you’re a Republican, they let you do it.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

Never forget that he train is barreling down on Trump, even as he dances on the tracks.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Pelosi: “He either is stupid, or he thinks the rest of us are.” Why not both?

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

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  1. 1.

    WaterGirl

    I had this post scheduled, and it looks like Anne Laurie is working on a Michigan results post, too, so you may get two of them

    Anyone know what time we can expect the Michigan results to start coming in?

  2. 2.

    Urza

    So when Biden still gets over 80%+ even with the none of the above campaign that will of course get spun into weakness for him, even though any smart muslim would never want the other guy back regardless of any protest vote right now.

  3. 3.

    Mousebumples

    No idea. I’ll checkout bsky – usually there have been election skeets there when I’ve looked.

    Putting my youngest to bed soon. He’s fighting an ear infection, a cold, and teething, so a few more snuggles before bedtime…

  5. 5.

    Jackie

    MSNBC and CNN coverages start at 8 blog time.

    ETA: Two things I’m paying attention to; the Dems Gaza protest vote and how many votes Haley steals from TIFG.

  7. 7.

    Mousebumples

    Random Michigan (or even other state curiosity question) – how do write ins work?

    In Wisconsin (per my poll worker father), if you’re not a registered write in candidate, they don’t try to decipher handwriting, or keep track of how many votes Mickey Mouse got. (I guess you can also ask for the list of write in candidates for your precinct, which I will do the next time the GOP is running unopposed for something)

    From NH Primary (and, it appears, Michigan), this varies by state. Anyone have more info? I’m curious…

  9. 9.

    WaterGirl

    From the NYT site, it looks like there are a few counties that are on *central time, so we likely won’t see results until 9 pm.

    If I’m right about that, we should see a deluge of votes come it at 9 o’clock Eastern, on the dot, from the precincts that closed at 8 pm Eastern.

    I had no idea that time zones could differ county by county.

  11. 11.

    Scout211

    FYI Link

    We will not begin releasing results until after 9 p.m. Eastern, 8 p.m. Central, because we have several polling sites that don’t close until 8 p.m. Central,” Benson said.

    WaterGirl got there first

    Added:

    She also noted that changes in delivery methods may affect how long it takes to get results

    “The transmission of data and results from the precincts to the absentee counting boards to the county clerks is also going to be a little bit slower this cycle, because we no longer use previously-used methods, which were electronic,” Benson said. “Now, a lot of places are physically delivering those in an effort to continue to ensure the security of the process. So that may take longer, particularly in places like Wayne County and Macomb.”

    Could be a long night.

    I call it for Joseph R. Biden right now, though.

  14. 14.

    Geminid

    @WaterGirl: I read that results will be coming by 9:30 Eastern Time.

    Reuters White House correspondent Nandita Bose is reporting from Michigan. She posted about interviews of Dearborn voters. Out of 11, 9 said they voted “Uncommitted,” and 2 said they voted for Trump. One, an Arab-American, said her familiy members voted Democratic (except for a sister who was a “Bush Republican.”

    On the other hand, Bose reported that:

       Outside of Dearborn, Michigan, things look good for Joe Biden. Spoke to a dozen Democrats in Detroit, who have all voted for Biden.

    Suzy Villareal, 63, self-employed, voted for Joe at the Mayberry Elementary School.

    “The alternative is a nutcase, who is trying to take our rights away. I don’t like the government making choices for women.

    I have a granddaughter and I’m really worried about her future and he ability to make her own decisiions about her body.”

    “I get what is happening in Dearborn and I’d be pissed too but now is not the time for a protest vote.

    It’s just going to hurt Biden and get the other guy elected, and we can’t let that happen.”

    In her Twitter heading, Ms. Bose says she is a Northwestern University grad and a Dog Mom.

  18. 18.

    WaterGirl

    @TeezySkeezy:  No matter how it turns out – in terms of protest votes – we’ll learn a lot about where things stand that will be very useful for November.

    So please don’t fret; we’re about to get a big gift in terms of information. :-)

  20. 20.

    TBone

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  23. 23.

    Betty

    MSNBC is reporting results. In 2012, Uncommitted received 10+ %.  If it stays at 10% for Biden, it is no big deal.

  24. 24.

    Lyrebird

    @WaterGirl: It’s an important enough election that two posts would surely not be too many!  Not so much because of any doubts about who will win their primaries, more to see turnout.  I agree with something japa said, something like how this is exactly the time for a protest vote, if that is what those voters want to do.  No danger of throwing the primary to Dean Whatsit.

     

    Do I recall right that AL’s spousal unit might be from Michigan?

  25. 25.

    Tom Levenson

    Just checked the FTFNYT election site; 22% of Oakland County is in and Biden has 88%; looks like uncommitted is in second with 8%.  Wayne County, which includes Dearborn, is less than 1% in, but that’s where uncommitted is doing better, running at about 30% to Biden’s 63%.

    So–not much information yet. But if Wayne County keeps going as it has begun, that defines the November problem. Biden took 68% of the vote there in 2020, with a ~233,000 vote margin over Trump. His statewide margin was about 155,000. A 30% erosion in the fall would basically tie the election (assuming folks choose not to vote, rather than voting for Trump.  So there would be a lot of work to do.

    Of course, this election won’t be a simple replay of 2020. I imagine the assault on women’s bodies and everything to do with sex, pretty much, will have significant effects on Trump’s electorate.  But still, work to do.

  26. 26.

    citizen dave

    @WaterGirl: Yes of course, even here in Indiana, the NW and SW counties are on Central time (and most of my life the whole state would alternate Eastern/Central because we never changed the time).

    But we non-Michiganders always forget about the U.P.  If you look at Google Maps, (and do the longitude), the westernmost part of Michigan is about exactly due north of Saint Louis.  I love geography!

  27. 27.

    Lyrebird

    @Mousebumples: From NH Primary (and, it appears, Michigan), this varies by state. Anyone have more info? I’m curious…

     

    No clue.  I am curious whether more people live in Dearborn, MI than in NH… okay quick search says  no, The entire state of NH has 10x the population of Dearborn, and MI as a whole has like 7x the population of NH.

  31. 31.

    Anoniminous

    Biden is going to win.  The Uncommitted vote don’t mean shee-it, to quote Mr. Natural, cuz there’s no skin in the game.

  32. 32.

    Jackie

    @Tom Levenson: It’ll be interesting to see what percentage of voters in the college towns vote uncommitted – the youth are really pissed about the Gaza situation – not that I blame them!

  34. 34.

    Kay

    @Tom Levenson:

    Wayne County, which includes Dearborn, is less than 1% in, but that’s where uncommitted is doing better, running at about 30% to Biden’s 63%.

    Oof. I hope that changes. It’s worse than I thought it would be. But at least we’ll know and then maybe can do something about it.

  38. 38.

    Anne Laurie

    @Miss Bianca: Hell, I grew up in Michigan and I didn’t know that the state straddled time zones!

    That only happened, IIRC, around the time I moved there for college (early 1970s).   The affected population was very small at the time, and I don’t think it’s gotten much larger…

  40. 40.

    Mousebumples

    @Kay: Oof. I hope that changes. It’s worse than I thought it would be. But at least we’ll know and then maybe can do something about it.

    I’m guessing Dearborn is a small part of Wayne County? (I think it also includes Detroit, but my knowledge of Michigan geography is limited.) I’m curious to see if that number drops as we get more results in (eg Dearborn wanted to go FIRST!) or if it’s static. I’m not saying losing 30% to uncommitted in Dearborn is great, but I’m curious to see how the numbers compare across precincts.

    Also, apparrently Michigan also has made voting easier since 2020, so I wonder if that will impact turnout (now or in November).

  44. 44.

    pthomas745

    So, the “Uncommitted” groups are a offshoot of the Leopards Ate My Face Party?

    What is Plan B if Trump wins and the KKK rolls through Dearborn and simply destroys Muslim businesses and lives?

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