The best thing that happened for me when the GOP gerrymandered our state, is that I was moved into the sixth district that is represented by #JimClyburn. The Man Who Saved Biden’s 2020 Campaign Lets Loose – POLITICO https://t.co/1tN34uHCyS
— Anita Nelam Adams (@AnitaNelam) June 16, 2024
Figured I’d share this, since the twitter MAGAts are triggered by it. The Politico podcaster does his best, but Jim Clyburn does not take bait from fools — “The Man Who Saved Biden’s 2020 Campaign Lets Loose”:
Rep. Jim Clyburn doesn’t believe the polls.
Despite a growing list of surveys that show Donald Trump gaining with Black voters, the longtime South Carolina Democrat and co-chair of President Joe Biden’s reelection campaign, dismissed suggestions Democrats should be concerned.
“Something is amiss with the polling,” he said in an interview with the Playbook Deep Dive podcast. “Anybody who believes that Donald Trump will get 30 percent of the Black male vote or 12 percent of the Black female vote — I got a bridge down there on Johns Island I’ll sell you.”…
Let’s start with Donald Trump’s return to the Hill for the first time since Jan. 6. How did that feel?
Well, his being here prevented me from getting into my garage on time this morning. So that’s the story of my life — being disrupted by Donald Trump. But, other than that, I don’t feel anything…
Let’s talk about the South Carolina presidential primary. One of the great disappointments of there not being an open race on the Democratic side is we didn’t get a Clyburn fish fry this year. But the South Carolina primary was first. Remind us how that came about.
It came about because Joe Biden wanted South Carolina to be first.
But the fact of the matter is, I never asked for South Carolina to be first in the nation. I’ve always asked for South Carolina to be first in the South, and we were first in the South for years. And I jokingly said — I’m half-joking when I say this — I was a baseball player growing up, a pretty good baseball player, and I knew that the most important batter in the lineup is the fourth-place batter. The fourth-place batter is called the cleanup hitter. South Carolina was in fourth place. And I wanted to stay in fourth place…
Can you help us understand the decision, as you understand it, that Joe Biden made to run for reelection rather than retiring, and letting a primary happen to see who runs against Trump?
I don’t know if you know this or not, but I’m sure you remember in 2020, privately, he did tell some people that he was only going to serve one term. His aides actually debated among themselves whether to make that a public pledge. They decided not to. And obviously he decided not to only serve once.
What do you think went into that decision? And did he talk to you about it in the run up to it?
No. All of what you just said is news to me. I didn’t know anything about what you just said. I do know that when he asked me my opinion, I said to him that I thought he should run. He didn’t tell me that he was thinking about one term. He did say in my presence and campaign more than once using the term “transitional,” that he was going to be a transitional president.
And sometimes he would talk about being a “bridge” back in 2020.
That’s right.
The bridge got a little longer though.
Absolutely. It doesn’t have to be a short bridge. It can be a long bridge. It doesn’t have to be a four-year transition, it can be an eight-year transition. And that’s what I said to him. I said, “Well let’s make this transition an eight-year transition.” Because we had to transition. We are transitioning…
So at the end of the day, this was the best way to go?
I think he was the best in 2020, and I think he is best today…
Do you buy this distinction between the upper-tier Midwest states versus the Sunbelt? And that Biden’s fortunes are a little more promising in the Midwest?
That may be true. I have not spent a whole lot of time on that. I’ve been spending time on Pennsylvania, Michigan, I’m getting ready to go to Wisconsin real soon. I really think that if we hold Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, we’ll be fine.
I have not done the numbers to see exactly what states will make up the required number of electoral votes. But I wouldn’t give up on North Carolina or Georgia, whatever the numbers are showing. Because I think the other side is not putting together a campaign to win. They’re trying to muddy the waters, suppress the vote, depress turnout on our side because I don’t think they can grow their numbers…
Baud
There it is.
geg6
Tell it straight, Rep. Clyburn. Rub it in their sycophantic faces (both the press and the GOP). Their boy is a sundowning criminal who is destroying their party and making the national press show what clowns they truly are.
Bill Arnold
J. Biden is absolutely better than Mr. D.J Trump.
The demented Mr. Trump, today June 16 2024:
hueyplong
Clyburn appears not to be a guy who does a lot of doomscrolling.
Just saying.
Scout211
I’ve never heard that story that Biden was planning to serve for only one term. Has that been reported before and I missed it? I guess I’m in good company, though, if Rep. Clyburn hadn’t heard it either.
PJ
Some reporters keep repeating that Biden said he would only serve one term, but I have never seen any citation from any source that he actually said this to anyone. At least this reporter acknowledges that Biden never made any public statement to that effect (and, in fact, prior to the election in 2020, he publicly denied that he would retire after one term.)
wjca
OT (But it’s labeled an Open Thread)
And then there’s this from the Washington Post. About their own incoming editor:
Incoming Post editor tied to self-described ‘thief’ who claimed role in his reporting
A person who didn’t know better could almost suspect that the staff is less than thrilled about the management change.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
The nice thing about this election is that the country will deserve what it gets, however it turns out.
Baud
@wjca:
Apparently his plan to resurrect the post is to create stories about himself for them to write about.
hueyplong
prostratedragon
@Scout211: Never heard it. Does someone think to sell the idea that Biden is so demented that he forgot he said it?
Frankensteinbeck
Exactly.
Scout211
@wjca: Any word about a new job posting at the WaPost?
THIEF, phone hacking skills essential
Soprano2
@Bill Arnold: He’s not scared, no sirree, not at all. 😂😂
Bill Arnold
@hueyplong:
Yeah, though I’m not sure it’s purely Scavino’s work. The “STRENGTH AND LOYALTY” is a bit over-the-top for him. The “EVERYTHING WILL BE ON FULL DISPLAY” is odd too.
They have a new person (a woman) as well.
Will poke at this more deeply.
Soprano2
@Scout211: I think people who wanted it to be true made it up and shopped it to reporters in an effort to make it come true.
Baud
@Soprano2:
Sounds about right.
smith
@Baud: Speaking of the Post and its faded glory, tomorrow is the 52nd anniversary of the Watergate break-in. Seems like just yesterday we had a functioning media and a Republican party that believed that laws applied even to Republican presidents.
Scout211
I forget her name but we learned at the trial that she is also the emotional support printer person.
ETA: Natalie Harp
Baud
@smith:
We can’t count on anyone but ourselves anymore.
Baud
@Bill Arnold:
Maybe it’s AI.
ETA: “Write a father’s day greeting in the style of Donald Trump.”
smith
@Bill Arnold: No misspellings either. As I suggested in an earlier thread, they probably have trained AI to produce his screeds.
MinuteMan
After Biden’s 2nd term, things ought to be in a more normal state with the Mango Magat gone and maybe a number of the problematic SCOTUS justices. Then we can have a more bare-knuckled presidential primary for Biden’s successor. Sadly, surviving past January 2025 is the only game in town right now.
dmsilev
@hueyplong: Maybe somebody has trained one of these Large Language Model AIs to output plausible Trump posts. The well-known tendency for LLMs to just make shit up would,in this case, be a feature rather than a bug.
HumboldtBlue
Talk about stepping on your own dick, GOPers looking for gay sex on the down low are mad liberal gay men won’t do sexytime with them. Whodathunk?
zhena gogolia
@Baud:
Last paragraph is also good:
And the media is helping them.
Baud
@zhena gogolia:
Definitely. It’s all hands on deck for the anti-Dem coalition.
Quinerly
@MinuteMan: totally agree
RaflW
I laughed: “[Trump] being here prevented me from getting into my garage on time this morning…. But, other than that, I don’t feel anything”
That. Is. Perfection.
Baud
@RaflW:
Agree. Love that.
dmsilev
@Baud:
Challenge accepted. ChatGPT says:
Seems like this might work.
O. Felix Culpa
An intriguing article by Timothy Snyder on the Felon’s veepstakes: Felon Seeks Vice: Trump’s VP Search and the Politics of Impotence.
There’s a lot more worth reading in the article, but basically Snyder suggests that JD Vance is the best among the veep wannabes at playing the politics of impotence–read the article to delve into what he means by that–and therefore the most dangerous.
geg6
@Soprano2:
Exactly.
Baud
@dmsilev:
Haha. Not bad.
geg6
@HumboldtBlue:
First they couldn’t get women to date them and they got all mad about it. Now gay men don’t want them either and they are just as mad about that. Losers, every one of them.
HumboldtBlue
@zhena gogolia:
Yup
@dmsilev:
That’s really good.
Jinchi
It was a story spun by various pundits who were sure he’d never plan to be president into his mid 80s, so assumed he must have promised “people” privately.
It was always absurd to think that Biden would risk the advantage of incumbency. If he hadn’t planned on serving 8 years, he’d never have run at all.
HumboldtBlue
@geg6:
Every goddamn one of’em. I love the stories of the GOP staffers in DC who can’t a wink, much less a nod from a woman because they work for the shittiest people in the world.
Baud
@Jinchi:
And now Biden has gone back on his word. /those same people.
dmsilev
@Baud: It did miss the essential element of a dad coming up to Trump, tears in his eyes, saying ‘sir….’.
Maybe the pro version of the chatbot would get that detail right.
TBone
“To paraphrase Propane Jane, fuck trying to get aggrieved and bitter white pricks to see the light. The future lies with making them not matter.”
Steve in the ATL
@dmsilev: also left out incest. #creepy
eclare
Clyburn sure doesn’t suffer fools. Thanks for the article, Anne Laurie.
O. Felix Culpa
@Jinchi:
That sounds plausible. I can’t imagine the savvy politico Biden ever saying anything that would preemptively take away the advantage of incumbency. It was probably wishcasting on the part of the librul media.
geg6
@HumboldtBlue:
Those are my absolute favorite Village stories. I laugh and laugh at them.
dmsilev
@Steve in the ATL: Are you trying to train an AI to want to kill all of humanity?
WaterGirl
@Baud: You have said that before, and I think that’s a terrible thing to say.
The people who vote for Trump, or don’t vote, or vote third party… they are the ones that get what they deserve.
But the people who are fighting like hell to make sure he doesn’t get elected? If Trump is elected in spite of our best efforts, we sure as hell will not deserve what comes next.
Steve in the ATL
@dmsilev: busted! #Malthusian
BlueGuitarist
@O. Felix Culpa:
thanks for this!
eclare
@HumboldtBlue:
Interesting, thanks.
Princess
James Clyburn is no fool.
Jinchi
@WaterGirl: Agreed. It wasn’t the voters who elected Trump the first time. I don’t know why they deserve the blame for a dysfunctional system.
eclare
@WaterGirl:
Agreed.
sdhays
@wjca: Actually, I came over here to mention this story.
Wow! The newsroom seems to have decided to go to war with their own CEO. Obviously, the odds of winning aren’t in their favor since the person who hired Lewis is clearly an asshole and a moron, but they’re not going down without a fight, and I’m seriously impressed.
I’ll buy a subscription if they succeed.
Villago Delenda Est
@Baud: DING DING DING DING DING.
My nym. It is the way.
Scout211
Since I never know whether Baud is being serious, snarky or droll, I just automatically assume his comments aren’t serious.
So I took that comment as not serious but I could be wrong.
Steve in the ATL
Dear writer:
If you are a professional writer writing for Writer’s Digest, which just published an article about homonyms, please learn the difference between “home” and “hone”. As it turns out, they are completely different words with completely different meanings. Who could known? Other than, you know, anyone who works as a professional writer writing articles for Writer’s Digest. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Yours truly,
Your friend who scored above 200 on the verbal SAT
Sister Golden Bear
@geg6: There’s still the rent boys, who are gonna make bank in Milwaukee (as they always do during RNCs).
Ken
One segment of AI proponents thinks that’s inevitable. You’ll notice I said proponents — they still want to develop AIs, they just want to figure out what they have to do so the AI sees them as loyal and doesn’t kill them when it goes on its rampage. It’s a lot like the Cthulhu cultists, really.
smith
That’s my guv:
Glad to see “convicted felon” is becoming the standard way to refer to the Republican presidential nominee.
Trivia Man
@dmsilev: I believe it from the stump but not as a tweet
O. Felix Culpa
@Trivia Man:
How sweet it is.
dmsilev
@Ken: “I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.”
HumboldtBlue
Gurdeep Pandher of the Yukon has some news.
mrmoshpotato
My dad cheated at cribbage tonight! Happy Father’s Day, Dad!
wjca
To be followed,
ifwhen Epstein’s files come out, byVice Seeks Felon
mrmoshpotato
@smith: My guv too! Was telling a neighbor yesterday what a great job Pritzker did during the pandemic while Dump was letting it run wild killing.
RaflW
@Sister Golden Bear: I was joking with my BF yesterday that there should definitely be Grindr spies in Milwaukee for RNC. Not us, neither have an account and don’t want one, but I’m sure it’ll be busy.
geg6
@Sister Golden Bear:
Rent boys and Only Fans are their sex lives and boy does it piss them off.
jimmiraybob
Just a thought that occurred to me today; if we are to accept originalism … what the average Joe would have have thought was the meaning of the Constitution in late 18th century America … then why do we allow papists that are loyal to a foreign leader [the Pope (AKA, the AntiChrist)] and a foreign government (the Vatican) to occupy the SCOTUS? Off with their heads!!! 1776!!! Hang the witches!!!!
OK, it’s passed now. I feel better.
141 days to the next election.
Villago Delenda Est
@mrmoshpotato: “Let the Wookiee win.”
Tom Levenson
I got nothing to add but that I enjoyed a Father’s Day evening at Fenway Park with my spouse and the Red Sox summarily dealt with the Evil Empire.
great night for a ballgame.
Chris
@PJ:
The entire story comes back to one Politico article from 2019 that claims to be quoting four anonymous Democratic campaign officials. The media went absolutely gaga over it, but all of the many many articles written on the subject go back to that one as their source material.
HumboldtBlue
@Tom Levenson:
I thought of you when I stumbled across this Twitter account.
Chris
@sdhays:
They may not win, but if they make enough of a stink on their way out, it might leave the idea imprinted in the public’s mind that the newspaper is “no longer” a liberal voice, but a Trump rag, to be evaluated as such.
As I’ve said many times, one of the most toxic things about the mainstream media is that people continue to believe it’s “liberally biased,” which makes its Butter Emailz/Biden Is Old/Al Gore Invented The Internet bullshit far more effective among the low-infos. It wouldn’t have nearly as much impact if these media were understood to be right-wing rags; then people would simply say “well, whether it’s true or not, they’re going to say it regardless.” Instead, people think “oh my God! Even the liberal media says this is bad! It must be really bad!”
Cheez Whiz
@wjca: its really clear the plan is to crush the current culture at the paper and replace it with a British “eyeballs above (including the law) all else” one. Current employees better get with the program or see if the Penny Saver is hiring.
Mike E
@jimmiraybob: Are Opus Dei fascists loyal to Francis? They seem to be their own papal bulls, if you know what I mean.
Jackie
@Bill Arnold: They also forgot MAGA 24!!! at the end.
Jackie
@O. Felix Culpa: Today Tim Scott admitted he confirmed Biden won in ‘20. Scratch him off the Veeps list.
Matt McIrvin
@Baud: The country has a lot of different people in it and many of them will not deserve whatever happens.
Jackie
@WaterGirl:
Agree 110%! Maybe Baud forgot that part.
Sandia Blanca
@Steve in the ATL: Great letter! Home/hone are just one of the pairs of words that have gone off the deep end of correct usage. How about discreet/discrete? Precede/proceed? Breathe/breath, and loathe/loath? Shutter/shudder, and utter/udder? The list goes on . . .
eversor
@Scout211:
No. It was hinted at.
What was said was that Biden viewed himself as a bridge. Place holder. This was always a temporary thing.
Now you could have read this for what it was. Which is that Biden knowns he’s from the before time and trying to pass the torch on to younger gernerations. See Mayor Pete crushing it. Daily. Or see AOC or Crockett crushing it. They are the future.
Or you could have read this as Biden intended to be a one term president, except he never actually said that.
Anybody who was paying attention sort of got what he meant. And he’s not famous for being subtle.
It’s a good thing. We have fucks like Schumer and RBG who don’t or didn’t know when to cut tack and run. But we also have people like Pelosi and Biden who seem pretty good and promoting up the next generation and knowning how to exit.
eversor
@Mike E:
As someone with inlaws in that group they aren’t. The prior Pope is the Pope… in exile. And Francis (and granted this is true) rejection of patriarchy and gender issues does make him a heritic. If you really believe that horrible book and that horrible Jesus. To say nothing of Paul. The New Testament is worse on these issues. By far. Jesus had a lot to do with that.
They view themselves as the Church In Exile and do not think they can keep their faith if they can’t force it on all of us. And they aren’t wrong. That’s how Christianity has always worked. Needs the sword and bullet or it fails.
Opus Dei is also the mild version of all that. What you can brag about being in. There are other ones that buy up hospitals just to remove birth control and abortion care. Christianity, oh my!
Ramona
@Sandia Blanca: I always forget which is the adjective and which the verb of loath/loathe. I can’t remember now.
Frankensteinbeck
@Mike E:
Like most religious conservatives, they are convinced that they know what God means, specifically that God hates who they hate, and that they can safely ignore anything that says otherwise. This includes the direct words of Jesus Christ, and hey, once you’ve crossed that bridge you can find an excuse to ignore anybody.
Tom Levenson
@HumboldtBlue: I’ve been following that same account on Bluesky. What a hoot!
CaseyL
@HumboldtBlue:
@Tom Levenson:
Thanks to you both for pointing me to this on BlueSky.
To return the favor, here is Casual Geographic explaining why cats are the most perfect lifeform on Earth: The Insane Plot Armor of Cats
like a metaphor
@Chris:
Truth! I can’t think of a single news source in America that could truthfully be called liberal
NotMax
@CaseyL
::runs like the wind from the room::
Cats? Ugh. Vile little f*ckers.
Chet Murthy
@HumboldtBlue: Wow, I feel for Mr. Brothwell. So much “lose” in those guys he talks with. So much lose. The last guy for instance: he doesn’t want to blow up his life by coming out, but hey, you don’t have to come out to, y’know, not be a goddamn G(r)OPer. FFS, surely there are gay men who are Dems, and on the down-low. FFS.
wjca
Be aware that this depends, heavily, on where you draw the lines between “liberal”, “moderate”, and “conservative.” (Or, if you cannot abide the concept of “moderate”, between “liberal” and conservative.”)
Chet Murthy
@wjca: Y’know, it used to be that the definition of “conservative” was “primarily concerned with the rights of property”. But today, it’s something more like “OK with denying other Americans their equal rights”. Or “OK with insurrectionists”.
Jay
@Chet Murthy:
Or, let’s have a Race War.
Jay
@like a metaphor:
There are a couple, but they are not on TV, Cable or print, they are on line, like ProPublica.
There are a few left, mostly in “print”, that do actual “journalmentalism”, LA Times and a couple other mentioned in the comments in other posts.
They all are hurting for money.
Baud
@WaterGirl:
@Matt McIrvin:
Y’all are conflating the collective with the individuals that are part of the collective.
If you say an evil corporation got what it deserved, that’s not saying that every employee in that corporation deserved it too.
Anyway
@Baud: Meh. I never understood what it meant — country deserves it? What?! Still don’t get it. >Shrug<
DougL
@Chris: This really is the whole game when it comes to the “even the liberal media.”
Miss Bianca
@Steve in the ATL: And here I thought I was LITERALLY the only pedant in the room who cared about the difference between “home” and “hone”!
Chris
@like a metaphor:
Talking Points Memo?
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver?
The Daily Show when I was watching it in the Dubya years would have qualified, mostly. It still might, but it’s borderline because Stewart has a pathological both-sider aspect that doesn’t do his more well-meaning qualities any favors.
But yeah, I mean, it’s either stuff that’s officially considered entertainment because if it were considered serious news, it’d be shut down immediately, or it’s small and niche websites like TPM (or, frankly, this place), but there aren’t any significant news outlets that do what Fox News does for the liberal side.
You’ve also got individual pundits who are able to wrestle a spot for themselves in mainstream media, which is one of the ways they still differ from the explicitly right-wing media – Paul Krugman is the ur-example. But they’re not really representative of the media itself, and they’re in constant danger.
O. Felix Culpa
@Miss Bianca: We are legion.
Sandia Blanca
@Ramona: It’s loathe (pronounced with a “voiced” sound). Analogous to clothe, seethe, breathe, etc.