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Petty moves from a petty man.

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  1. 1.

    John Cole

    Great. Because I want to spend the next 6 months being called a sexist for something someone else wrote.

    Did I do something to piss you and Will off?

  8. 8.

    Should Know Better

    I hated Wesley Crusher (although not as much as Troi) as much as the next geek but WWdN is a great blog.

  9. 9.

    Ugh

    Garth: Uh-oh. Don’t look. Hillary.
    Democratic Party: Where? Oh, God. I made eye contact. Psycho hose beast.

    Hillary: Happy anniversary, Democratic Party.

    DP: Hillary, we broke up two months ago.

    H: It doesn’t mean we can’t go out.

    DP: Well, it does, actually. That’s what breaking up is.

    H: You going to make me the nominee tonight?

    DP: No!
    G: No!

    H: Don’t you wanna open your present?

    DP: If it’s a severed horse’s head, I’ll be very upset.

    H: Open it.

    DP: OK. OK. What is it?

    H: It’s a Clinton general election candidate!

    DP: A Clinton general election candidate?!!? Sh’yeah, great. I already got a general election candidate and had a Clinton general election candidate before. What am I going to do with another a Clinton general election candidate?

    H: You don’t like it? Fine. Democratic Party, if you’re not careful, you’re gonna lose me.

    DP: I lost you two months ago. Are you mental? We broke up. Get the net!

  10. 10.

    Ted

    I hated Wesley Crusher (although not as much as Troi)

    The best part about Troi was that she had a perpetual look on her face as if she were right on the verge of bursting into tears. Always. Either that, or taking a large shit.

  11. 11.

    Zifnab

    DP: I lost you two months ago. Are you mental? We broke up. Get the net!

    PotD

  12. 12.

    wasabi gasp

    Haters! You people just can’t handle the idea of a strong determined woman in office who also whips up a righteous bunny stew.

  13. 13.

    kind of an off white

    Jeez, even I think that’s sexist, and I’m one of those guys who “just doesn’t get it.”

    Also, that first paragraph is just fucking ridiculous. Wil’s gonna be seriously bummed when he finds out that Obama’s a human being. I’m not gonna be the one to tell him, though; I don’t wanna get rat-tailed with a rolled-up lycra jumpsuit.

  14. 14.

    r€nato

    The best part about Troi was that she had a perpetual look on her face as if she were right on the verge of bursting into tears. Always. Either that, or taking a large shit.

    The best part about Troi were her two very large talents.

    Yeah her character sucked. But c’mon… who amongst us would not have tapped that? Or, spanked it while thinking about tapping it?

  16. 16.

    r€nato

    she had a perpetual look on her face as if she were right on the verge of bursting into tears. Always. Either that, or taking a large shit.

    No wonder Riker had a thing for her. It’s hard to find a chick who will do that for ya. Even in the 23rd century.

  17. 17.

    bootlegger

    Also, that first paragraph is just fucking ridiculous. Wil’s gonna be seriously bummed when he finds out that Obama’s a human being.

    A nice straw man here. What about those statements implies that Obama extra-human? Just having a person of color win the presidential election will be transformative, whether that person was Democrat or Limbaugh Facist. Right now many Americans believe the deck is seriously stack against them and that NO WAY IN HELL will those with skin power give it over to those with darker hues. Ditto for the rest of the world who hears all our talk about equality and democracy but believe there is NO WAY IN HELL America will elect someone named Hussein.

    Presidents are not themselves transformative, they simply have too many checks on their power (not enough in the case of W though). But the symbolism of America getting over its race hate will resonate both here and abroad.

  18. 18.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    So the big question is… is Wil a commenter here? If so, can he get me Nichelle Nichol’s autograph?
    Yeah he’s cool again, and has a great blog, but.. Uhura, only three degrees away! I’m all tingly.

  19. 19.

    PaulW

    If Hillary’s lost Wil Wheaton, she’s lost the Trekkie vote.

    Oh lord, I’m flashing back to a 1992 SNL skit where the Democratic candidates are selling themselves at a Trek convention… Paul Tsongas offering himself up as a Captain Kirk… Bill Clinton going into meltdown mode because Spock was endoring Tsongas… oh man, those were great years for SNL…

  20. 20.

    Krista

    You boys might as well get all this out of your systems.
    I’ll be back later.

    /sighs and shakes head.

  22. 22.

    srv

    Since Wil apparently reads BJ, I want to say that I’m not him and never liked him.

  23. 23.

    Dreggas

    I liked Marina Sertis (sp?). Of course I also heard rumor out here in Hollyweird she’s known to be incredibly kinky and gotta stick with my fellow kinksters.

  24. 24.

    Wil Wheaton

    Man, this has really brought out the people who think calling me Wesley and telling me to shut up is clever. Awesome. I assume we’ll be upgrading to “your mother” jokes next?

    John: I respect and admire you so much. I hope this doesn’t bring you any more grief than you usually get from the usual gang of haters.

    I thought the psycho ex-girlfriend thing was hilarious because it’s about the *behavior* and not the gender. It seems like the Internets comes down to people who get that and people who are determined to read it as sexist.

    As a comedy writer, I feel that the joke — which is about someone who refuses to accept that a relationship is over — works equally well if it’s a psycho ex-girlfriend or a psycho ex-boyfriend. I thought that was clear in the original post.

    As for Hillary, as I said on my blog, I’ve gone from respecting her to despising her as I’ve watched her fall from a well-spoken, passionate candidate to just another lying, pandering, negative-campaigning, 9/11-exploiting fearmongering politician.

    Anyway, thanks for the mention, Michael, and I’m sorry for any additional bullshit you have to deal with because of me, John.

  25. 25.

    kind of an off white

    Bootlegger, Hyperbole ain’t straw. I’m reasonably sure that Wil Wheaton recognizes that Barack Obama is, in fact, a member of homo sapiens. Did you actually read the piece? I never used the b-quote thing; let’s see if I screw this up:

    I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate — or, really, any leader — in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity — maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity — to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    If that doesn’t strike you as, well, a bit much, then have fun getting let down in a year or so.

    Christ, Obama’s my guy too, but he’s, well, a GUY. And being president’s a tough slog even when you’re not stuck with the bill for 8 years of clusterfuckocracy.

    I just don’t think it helps him any to build a pedestal that tall (what with the distance it affords in the event of falling). Add to that, he never gave me the impression that he wanted to be put on one.

  26. 26.

    The Other Steve

    Actually the joke about the psycho ex-girlfriend isn’t so much sexist as it is joking about something serious.

    There are psycho ex-boyfriends too. They’re called stalkers. They can be annoying, or they can be dangerous. Either sex. Doesn’t matter.

  27. 27.

    Dreggas

    Wil,

    I think John was being sarcastic. Personally I thought the joke was spot on and have said Hillary is like Single White Female all over again.

  29. 29.

    Ted

    I thought the psycho ex-girlfriend thing was hilarious because it’s about the behavior and not the gender.

    I thought it was hilarious and apt as well. But man are there some sensitive people around here. Case in point, John’s metaphor yesterday of Hillary holding the Dem party hostage like in a bank robbery.

    The moaning and whining about not using “violent” metaphors was ridiculous.

  30. 30.

    leinie

    John Cole Says:

    Great. Because I want to spend the next 6 months being called a sexist for something someone else wrote.

    This would be different from every other day how?

    Jeebus, dude, I get called sexist pretty much every day cuz I don’t support Clinton, and I’m a woman! Which means bonus “traitor to the gender” accusations come my way.

  31. 31.

    orogeny

    I view this election as an historical opportunity — maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity — to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    Jeebus, people…I’ve made the transition, part of the MUP team now, but this kind of stuff is just embarrassing. It’s the sort of thing that turned me off to the Obama movement at the beginning.

  33. 33.

    r€nato

    Man, this has really brought out the people who think calling me Wesley and telling me to shut up is clever. Awesome.

    You mean you’ve never heard that before? It sure sounded fresh and original to me. Not obvious at all and so 15 years ago, nosiree.

  35. 35.

    Nikki

    kind of an off white,

    Do you believe that people weren’t inspired by John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Franklin Roosevelt? He’s simply talking about how this man inspires him. There’s nothing wrong with that.

  36. 36.

    r€nato

    If you can’t laugh at a psycho stalker ex-girlfriend joke, then you desperately need a sense-of-humor transplant.

  37. 37.

    srv

    I don’t care what people say when they are clearly unhinged.

    We never did compare you to the battered wife syndrome back in the day. Maybe you should use that with mxiq and p. luk.

  38. 38.

    Ted

    I think John was being sarcastic. Personally I thought the joke was spot on and have said Hillary is like Single White Female all over again.

    Heads would explode if you moved the metaphor onto Fatal Attraction.

  39. 39.

    r€nato

    Actually the joke about the psycho ex-girlfriend isn’t so much sexist as it is joking about something serious.

    christ there are some tender people here. My sense of humor regularly runs towards the wildly inappropriate. That’s why they call it a JOKE. It’s not meant to be serious.

  40. 40.

    Krista

    Wil Wheaton Says:

    Man, this has really brought out the people who think calling me Wesley and telling me to shut up is clever.

    And I’m sure you’ve never heard that before and aren’t tired of it in the least, huh?

    Welcome to Balloon-Juice. We’re not very well-behaved, but most of us are decent sorts. John puts up with us anyway, for some weird-ass reason.

  41. 41.

    Ugh

    Heads would explode if you moved the metaphor onto Fatal Attraction.

    I think one of the national political pundits already did that.

  42. 42.

    r€nato

    I’ve gone from respecting her to despising her as I’ve watched her fall from a well-spoken, passionate candidate to just another lying, pandering, negative-campaigning, 9/11-exploiting fearmongering politician.

    More and more I find myself regretting that I have stuck up for her in the face of rat-wing misogyny and general loathing without any basis for it, other than transference (sp?) of Clenis hatred to Clintoris hatred.

  43. 43.

    orogeny

    Gotta admit, though, the phone conversation cracked me up. “Bill is charismatic, inspiring, and gets me really good weed.” ROTFL.

  44. 44.

    Krista

    Anyway, thanks for the mention, Michael, and I’m sorry for any additional bullshit you have to deal with because of me, John.

    I don’t think a day has yet gone by that John hasn’t had to deal with some sort of bullshit from a commenter, myself included. I haven’t figured out yet if he’s a masochist, or just so desperate for conversation that he doesn’t care. ;)

  45. 45.

    r€nato

    He’s simply talking about how this man inspires him. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    It’s been a long, long time since many of us have been able to feel that emotion for one of our leaders/politicians… just like many of us would find it astounding to have a president who can string a coherent sentence together.

  46. 46.

    r€nato

    Ensign Dweeb has a blog?

    And you are… Captain Obvious of the starship Keep Your Day Job?

  47. 47.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    You boys might as well get all this out of your systems.
    I’ll be back later.

    Krista, how can you be on the intertubes and not be a Trek fanboy/fangirl? Unless you’re a Dr. Who fan. Not that there’s anything wrong with Dr. Who, of course. But Al Gore didn’t recruit any Dr. Who cast members for the Vice Presidential Action Rangers, did he?

    Everyone keep quiet about this over at hillaryis44.org. If they go nuts over the sexist word “periodically”, they’ll castrate poor Wil over his psycho ex-gf joke, and brand the word “Martyr” on all of their foreheads.

  48. 48.

    srv

    I haven’t figured out yet if he’s a masochist, or just so desperate for conversation that he doesn’t care.

    I figured he was just a Canadian expat. I hear Wil is Canadian too.

  49. 49.

    Cain

    Dammit, Wil stop visiting the same websites I do. :-) I have a picture of Wil and I around here somewhere when he visited OSCON a couple of years ago to pimp his new book. Sadly, we took it right after he ate a bunch of doritos..hehe.

    I thougth the psycho girlfriend was apt. Although wierd because I just watched “Supernatural” the other day and it had dead girlfriends calling old boyfriends and getting them to kill themselves so that the creature masquerading as the dead girlfriend can eat their soul. ANYWAYS.. hows everyone doing?

    cain

  50. 50.

    Chris

    To stay on the topic that really matters, I always liked Troi. But even as a huge flaming liberal now, her presence on that show was always exhibit A for what a bizzare liberaltopia the Star Trek: Next Generation universe was.

    On the bridge of the most important ship in the fleet, you had the Enterprise’s captain front and center, to his right his chief executive officer, and to his left the… ship’s therapist? What?

  51. 51.

    Ted

    Everyone keep quiet about this over at hillaryis44.org. If they go nuts over the sexist word “periodically”, they’ll castrate poor Wil over his psycho ex-gf joke, and brand the word “Martyr” on all of their foreheads.

    Anyone check out the comments over there lately, or at TalkLeft? Is there much wailing, gnashing of teeth, and general woe-is-me going on?

  53. 53.

    r€nato

    Is there much wailing, gnashing of teeth, and general woe-is-me going on?

    too early in the day for me to imbibe that much whine.

  54. 54.

    John S.

    Anyway, thanks for the mention, Michael, and I’m sorry for any additional bullshit you have to deal with because of me, John.

    Fuck ’em, Wil.

    This is Balloon-Juice, the land of haters and blowhards. I think your blog is great, and even if Paramount made your character a pussy on TNG, I think you made the most out what you had to work with.

    We’re a resilient lot.

  55. 55.

    Krista

    Krista, how can you be on the intertubes and not be a Trek fanboy/fangirl? Unless you’re a Dr. Who fan.

    Nah, I never did get heavily into Trek, although I love listening to Patrick Stewart’s voice. I remember one episode where he was rehearsing a play with Data (’twas Henry V, methinks), and to see him doing the full-on Shakespearean acting was mind-blowing. I’d give my eyeteeth to see his one-man version of “A Christmas Carol”.

    Dr. Who? Not so much. Just never got into it. I’m a BSG girl, and have been since about age 4. Nothing was better than hunkering down on the shag carpet in my living room, while wearing my footie pajamas, milk and cookies next to me, and watching a show whose name I couldn’t even pronounce properly.

  56. 56.

    wasabi gasp

    I view this election as an historical opportunity—maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity—to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    Yeah, this is asking way too much. Thats like good president type stuff. Honorable, respectful, integrity type stuff. I’d be happy with a few spoon bends and maybe a levitation or two.

    .

  57. 57.

    dr. bloor

    PaulW Says:

    Oh lord, I’m flashing back to a 1992 SNL skit where the Democratic candidates are selling themselves at a Trek convention
 Paul Tsongas offering himself up as a Captain Kirk
 Bill Clinton going into meltdown mode because Spock was endoring Tsongas
 oh man, those were great years for SNL


    Um, Paul? Just how old are you?…

  58. 58.

    Ted

    On the bridge of the most important ship in the fleet, you had the Enterprise’s captain front and center, to his right his chief executive officer, and to his left the
 ship’s therapist? What?

    I think the idea was that she wouldn’t really be there if she wasn’t empathic. She’d be down in an office all the time or something.

  59. 59.

    r€nato

    I’d be happy with a few spoon bends and maybe a levitation or two.

    Me, I’d be happy with gramatically correct sentences and the ability to correctly pronounce, ‘nuclear’.

  61. 61.

    John S.

    I think the idea was that she wouldn’t really be there if she wasn’t empathic.

    No shit.

    If the janitor were empathic, he’d be on my fucking bridge, too.

  62. 62.

    Dreggas

    I was a big Star Trek The Next Generation fan. Still am, especially of the borg.

    As far as why Troi was on the bridge. The chick could read minds just by looking at the people on the holo-com thing. I’d want her right there too. Not to mention her bodacious ta-tas.

  63. 63.

    Blue Raven

    You boys might as well get all this out of your systems. I’ll be back later.

    Was someone looking for sexism? I think I just found some.

    Only half-kidding.

    Note: I am a woman.

  64. 64.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    Nah, I never did get heavily into Trek, although I love listening to Patrick Stewart’s voice. I remember one episode where he was rehearsing a play with Data (‘twas Henry V, methinks), and to see him doing the full-on Shakespearean acting was mind-blowing. I’d give my eyeteeth to see his one-man version of “A Christmas Carol”.

    My wife saw him in New York recently doing MacBeth, and says it’s the best bit of acting she’s seen in her life. I thought he was pretty awesome as Sejanus in I, Claudius. If he’s a dick in real life, I don’t want to hear about it.

  65. 65.

    Dreggas

    Group think on Balloon-Juice:

    Question: Why Was Dianna Troi on the bridge?

    Near universal response: She could read minds we’d want her there too.

  67. 67.

    Rick Taylor

    Anyone check out the comments over there lately, or at TalkLeft? Is there much wailing, gnashing of teeth, and general woe-is-me going on?

    There was a thread on the suggestion that Obama might pay off Hillary to leave the election. The consensus was he leaked this to the press to humiliate her, and it’s more evidence if any be needed that he has no class.

    BTD, every willing to be helpful, is giving Obama advice on how to be more populist.

    Evidently, we could still have a revote in Florida and Michigan, only Donna Brazille and the DNC weren’t blocking it. This is progress; at least he’s not blaming Obama.

    For the umpteenth time, BTD threw out the idea of a unity ticket. There was progress here, as it seems to have sunk in to the commenters that a Clinton/Obama ticket isn’t going to fly. The consensus seemed to be that Hillary would be a fool to tie herself to the stone that is Obama.

    Oh yes, and since Obama has effectively won, BTD calls for him to seat the Michigan Florida Democrats.

  68. 68.

    The Moar You Know

    I notice not one person refers to Wil as “Wesley” after he shows up in the thread.

    Lollercaust.

    Love ya, Wil, you and I looked like twins when we were younger.

  69. 69.

    Ted

    I was a big Star Trek The Next Generation fan. Still am, especially of the borg.

    Same here, to the point of going to a few conventions. One thing I hoped they would do is a movie on the back-story of the Borg, but oh well. You know, some species starts with implanted cell-phones in their heads or something … few thousand years … Borg.

    I notice not one person refers to Wil as “Wesley” after he shows up in the thread.

    Wesley. Does that count?

    I heard Patrick Stewart doing a reading of A Christmas Carol once, absolutely phenomenal voice.

    Indeed. I’m glad he’s been open-minded enough to video game voice-overs. Probably not a “respectable” thing for a classicly trained Brit to do.

  70. 70.

    PeterJ

    The best part about Troi was that she had a perpetual look on her face as if she were right on the verge of bursting into tears.

    Best part? That’s the one of the most annoying thing about Jennifer Garner.

    —

    Never was a Star Trek fan so I don’t harbor any weird hatred towards Wesley Crusher that seems to unite way too many fans…
    I did read Wil Wheaton’s blog a couple of years ago though but I stopped for some reason, maybe should start again.

  71. 71.

    nightjar

    You boys might as well get all this out of your systems.
    I’ll be back later.

    Being a Treki is not something you get of your system. It lives in the fun and wondrous part of the brain for eternity, or at least a long time. Boldly going where no man has gone before. Wow eee, Will (wes) Wheaton, Viva La Traveler!

    You don’t know what your missing Krista.

  72. 72.

    AkaDad

    I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate—or, really, any leader—in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity—maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity—to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    I’ve basically said that here, yet nobody gave me a hard time about it.

  73. 73.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    As long as we are doing our best Trek-geek impressions, I have to say that none of the TNG women ever really turned my crank the way Uhura did, especially when she pulled a knife on Evil Sulu. Now that’s a formative image for a child to see. She was ten different kinds of awesome, and I’m sorry she didn’t get more quality screen time.

  74. 74.

    orogeny

    I’ve basically said that here, yet nobody gave me a hard time about it.

    I would have.

    ;-)

  75. 75.

    Ted

    Best part? That’s the one of the most annoying thing about Jennifer Garner.
    —-

    Sarcasm. But Sirtis did finally loosen up. I don’t watch anything with Garner.

  76. 76.

    Krista

    nightjar Says:

    You boys might as well get all this out of your systems.
    I’ll be back later.

    Being a Treki is not something you get of your system.

    It wasn’t the Trek stuff, it was the drooling over Troi’s assets. I was amused more than anything, really.

  77. 77.

    nightjar

    Anyone check out the comments over there lately, or at TalkLeft? Is there much wailing, gnashing of teeth, and general woe-is-me going on?

    Hell no. They’re pedal to the metal full bore on to the convention and let’s count those votes in FLA and MI. I’m wondering if they are’nt the Borg here to assimilate all our Obamobot asses. But now we got Wes Crusher and his wonderkind smarts to Phaser their asses back to the Gamma quad. Sorry, couldn’t help myself.

  78. 78.

    nightjar

    t wasn’t the Trek stuff, it was the drooling over Troi’s assets. I was amused more than anything, really.

    LOL, my bad then.

  79. 79.

    Dreggas

    Ted Says:

    Same here, to the point of going to a few conventions. One thing I hoped they would do is a movie on the back-story of the Borg, but oh well. You know, some species starts with implanted cell-phones in their heads or something 
 few thousand years 
 Borg.

    Watch “First Contact” gives a bit of an insight into how the borg found out about earth as well as how earth first discovered other civilizations and vice-versa (notably the vulcans).

    The Borg “Overmind” is in it and gives some of the background…did I mention she’s a chick? Or at least the torso of one. She has a big crush on Picard then on Data and even hooks data up with flesh so he can “feel” etc. Starting to make him more human in that regard.

  80. 80.

    Should Know Better

    I think the idea was that she wouldn’t really be there if she wasn’t empathic. She’d be down in an office all the time or something.

    Sure, except she could sense stuff happening over on other ships so she totally could have holocommuted if the wanted to. Plus the outfits. Plus her character/role just didn’t make any sense-if they needed an empath on the bridge wasn’t there a single Betazoid communications officer candidate or something?

    Um…

    I’m gonna leave and come back and pretend this conversation never happened. Kthx.

  81. 81.

    Ted

    Sure, except she could sense stuff happening over on other ships so she totally could have holocommuted if the wanted to.

    lol

    if they needed an empath on the bridge wasn’t there a single Betazoid communications officer candidate or something?

    That’s racist and discrimination! Affirmative action! Or something…

  82. 82.

    Andrew

    Is this Wil Wheaton another DougJ character? Who’s Wesley? Is that another blog spoofer? Why are Federation star ships so aerodynamic?

  83. 83.

    Genine

    Plus her character/role just didn’t make any sense-if they needed an empath on the bridge wasn’t there a single Betazoid communications officer candidate or something?

    I don’t think it was so much a matter of “need” as they had that resource on the ship and they used it. Also, and I could be wrong, but I don’t think there were a lot of Betazoids in Starfleet. They preferred other pursuits such as mediation and whatnot. Few went into the miliary.

    I really loved that show. I never missed it, but I am not a Trekkie.

  84. 84.

    shera

    As long as we’re referencing ST:TNG and Wil Wheaton (!) has posted in this thread, don’t these last throes of Hillary’s campaign remind anyone of the episode where Dr. Crusher is trapped in a rapidly collapsing universe and it’s up to Wesley and the Traveller to rescue her? Anyone? Anyone?

    Also:

    I’m gonna leave and come back and pretend this conversation never happened.

    Don’t feel bad; reading the comments, I actually thought about a possible argument that the use of Troi’s empathic abilities on unsuspecting cultures would violate the Prime Directive.

  85. 85.

    shera

    As long as we’re referencing ST:TNG and Wil Wheaton (!) has posted in this thread, don’t these last throes of Hillary’s campaign remind anyone of the episode where Dr. Crusher is trapped in a rapidly collapsing universe and it’s up to Wesley and the Traveller to rescue her? Anyone? Anyone?

    Also:

    I’m gonna leave and come back and pretend this conversation never happened.

    Don’t feel bad; reading the comments, I actually thought about a possible argument that the use of Troi’s empathic abilities on unsuspecting cultures would violate the Prime Directive.

  86. 86.

    bago

    Voice acting in video games is serious business. Play Mass Effect. It too has the voice of Marina Sirtis, as well as Seth Green. Oblivion had Patrick Stewart.

  87. 87.

    w vincentz

    Ex girlfriend, huh?
    Hillary is not an ex. She is currently the girlfriend of some guy named Bill and it will remain that way as long as he submits, allows her to dress in that black leather bedroom attire and use the riding crop as much as she wants.
    It’s been this bedroom scene since the “Monica (aka: Firelips) Days”.
    Hillary knows whips!

  88. 88.

    Z

    Troi sucked. The REAL ship’s therapist was the character Whoopi Goldberg played.

    God, I’m such a geek.

  89. 89.

    Krista

    w vincentz Says:

    Ex girlfriend, huh?
    Hillary is not an ex. She is currently the girlfriend of some guy named Bill and it will remain that way as long as he submits, allows her to dress in that black leather bedroom attire and use the riding crop as much as she wants.
    It’s been this bedroom scene since the “Monica (aka: Firelips) Days”.
    Hillary knows whips!

    You are one seriously odd duck.

  90. 90.

    r€nato

    Why are Federation star ships so aerodynamic?

    and why did they make that ‘whoosh’ sound when traveling through the vacuum of space?

  91. 91.

    Dennis - SGMM

    I preferred the original, over-the-top, Star Trek. Good ol’ Kirk just beat ’em up, blew ’em up or hit ’em over the head with a rock. The TNG lot just talked them to death – when they weren’t sporting around in the masturbatorium Holodeck.

  92. 92.

    redbeardjim

    [quote]Voice acting in video games is serious business. Play Mass Effect. It too has the voice of Marina Sirtis, as well as Seth Green. Oblivion had Patrick Stewart.[/quote]

    Fallout had Michael Dorn, Tony Shalhoub and Clancy Brown, among others.

  93. 93.

    Z

    As long as we are doing our best Trek-geek impressions, I have to say that none of the TNG women ever really turned my crank the way Uhura did, especially when she pulled a knife on Evil Sulu. Now that’s a formative image for a child to see. She was ten different kinds of awesome, and I’m sorry she didn’t get more quality screen time.

    Uhura was hot, in a these-boots-are-made-for-walkin kind of way. But none of the Trek franchise girls have made me drool like the Vulcan hotty on Enterprise! She is sooo fine.

  94. 94.

    Dennis - SGMM

    and why did they make that ‘whoosh’ sound when traveling through the vacuum of space?

    And why did they make sweeping turns like an aircraft?

  95. 95.

    Genine

    w vincentz Says:

    Ex girlfriend, huh?
    Hillary is not an ex. She is currently the girlfriend of some guy named Bill and it will remain that way as long as he submits, allows her to dress in that black leather bedroom attire and use the riding crop as much as she wants.
    It’s been this bedroom scene since the “Monica (aka: Firelips) Days”.
    Hillary knows whips!

    Well, wielding a whip on someone is a skill. You have to learn serious muscle control of your rotator cuff and forearm as to not split the skin. You also have to have a great sense of timing, otherwise much-badness follows.

    However, a riding crop is very easy to use. It’s just a matter of controlling the force.

  96. 96.

    w vincentz

    QUACK quack.
    I’ve been watchin’ out for that girl in the duck blind with that thar six shooter for a long time.
    It traumatized me I tell ya, quack quack.

  98. 98.

    Dreggas

    bago Says:

    Voice acting in video games is serious business. Play Mass Effect. It too has the voice of Marina Sirtis, as well as Seth Green. Oblivion had Patrick Stewart.

    Evil Dead, the video game had Bruce Campbell, so did an outerspace one by Novalogic.

  99. 99.

    Anne Elk (Miss)

    As long as we’re referencing ST:TNG and Wil Wheaton (!) has posted in this thread, don’t these last throes of Hillary’s campaign remind anyone of the episode where Dr. Crusher is trapped in a rapidly collapsing universe and it’s up to Wesley and the Traveller to rescue her? Anyone? Anyone?

    you mean….”If there’s nothing wrong with ME, there must be something wrong with the (democratic party) universe”?

    hmmm. yep.

    Saw Patrick Stewart in Ann Arbor with the Royal Shakespeare Company as Prospero in “The Tempest.” Incredible performance (actually, by everyone involved) The day before, he “conducted” the University of Michigan band at halftime. Pretty good sport, as I wonder how much he knows about American college football.

  100. 100.

    Dennis - SGMM

    And the fight music was just incredible.

    Damn! Teh Internets is amazing!
    How in the world did you find that?

  101. 101.

    r€nato

    Good ol’ Kirk just beat ‘em up, blew ‘em up or hit ‘em over the head with a rock.

    ..and when he was relaxing from that, he fucked pretty much any humanoid female alien.

    Picard didn’t get much, did he? But I think he and Whoopi had a thing, that was hot…

  102. 102.

    slightly_peeved

    Krista, how can you be on the intertubes and not be a Trek fanboy/fangirl?

    Red Dwarf. Watch it, smegheads. (Well, the first six seasons anyway).

    If that doesn’t strike you as, well, a bit much, then have fun getting let down in a year or so.

    I think any candidate who successfully introduces universal healthcare to the US will be transformative in the way Wil described.

    I’m not American, so I can’t speak to the American psyche, but I don’t know of a single country in the world that wants to get rid of their government healthcare once they’ve got it. If people are unhappy with their government healthcare, they’re often unhappy because it is underfunded – and because they want the government to spend more on it. If Obama can introduce an attractive government alternative to healthcare that everyone can access, it’ll be the first step in convincing the American people that there are certain things that the government does right. That would be pretty transformative, from my (admittedly little) knowledge of US politics.

  103. 103.

    Dennis - SGMM

    ..and when he was relaxing from that, he fucked pretty much any humanoid female alien.

    Fortunately for fans, they passed on the script titled “Collision on Sheeptron IV”.

  104. 104.

    Krista

    Well, wielding a whip on someone is a skill. You have to learn serious muscle control of your rotator cuff and forearm as to not split the skin. You also have to have a great sense of timing, otherwise much-badness follows.

    However, a riding crop is very easy to use. It’s just a matter of controlling the force.

    Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  105. 105.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    w vincentz Says:

    Ex girlfriend, huh?
    Hillary is not an ex. She is currently the girlfriend of some guy named Bill and it will remain that way as long as he submits, allows her to dress in that black leather bedroom attire and use the riding crop as much as she wants.
    It’s been this bedroom scene since the “Monica (aka: Firelips) Days”.
    Hillary knows whips!

    Well, wielding a whip on someone is a skill. You have to learn serious muscle control of your rotator cuff and forearm as to not split the skin. You also have to have a great sense of timing, otherwise much-badness follows.

    However, a riding crop is very easy to use. It’s just a matter of controlling the force.

    you don’t live in California by any chance? :D

  106. 106.

    Dreggas

    Oh and a whip takes a lot of skill. Can really damage the kidneys and spine with it, I am more a fan of floggers tho a crop is a fun implement too.

  107. 107.

    Nikki

    Well, wielding a whip on someone is a skill. You have to learn serious muscle control of your rotator cuff and forearm as to not split the skin. You also have to have a great sense of timing, otherwise much-badness follows.

    However, a riding crop is very easy to use. It’s just a matter of controlling the force.

    GENINE! Safe, sane, consensual?

  108. 108.

    nightjar

    Anyone? Anyone?

    Yea, but Dr. Crusher gets pulled safely through the light at the last second to warp another day.

  110. 110.

    Rick Taylor

    Damn! Teh Internets is amazing!
    How in the world did you find that?

    Google. :)

    Star Trek “fight music”

  111. 111.

    Anne Elk (Miss)

    If Obama can introduce an attractive government alternative to healthcare that everyone can access, it’ll be the first step in convincing the American people that there are certain things that the government does right.

    Almost every American age 65 or older is already convinced of that. Just try to take their Medicare away.
    I work in a physician’s office and one of the stupidest points that gets brought up ad nauseam in this debate is “oh, people will have to WAIT for the care they need, other countries have these horrible long waiting lists!”, etc. etc.
    Every day in our office, we have people turn down appointments once we inform them that they have no coverage for mental health care or they have a huge deductible that they have to meet first or we’re not in their network or whatever. Gee, how long are they going to wait — hmm, FOREVER, maybe?
    I’m thinking a 6 week wait and a possible copay would look pretty damn good to those folks.

  112. 112.

    Ted

    Don’t feel bad; reading the comments, I actually thought about a possible argument that the use of Troi’s empathic abilities on unsuspecting cultures would violate the Prime Directive.

    Why? They put out telepathic stuff, why’s it her fault if she can pick em up?

    See, we can get this thread way nerdier still.

  113. 113.

    Dreggas

    Nikki Says:

    I’m a big fan of the whip, but I’m a receiver, not a giver.

    I can take a single-tail but not a big fan of it. I prefer a “thud” to a “sting” most of the time, especially on my back. Get a good heavy Elk hide flogger and I could just go for days.

  114. 114.

    Ted

    Oblivion had Patrick Stewart.

    I know. And he’s excellent at it. Too bad there’s not much of it.

  115. 115.

    Grand Wazoo

    He’s going to be at the Emerald City Comicon this weekend in Seattle so I may actually get to meet him. I am now excited by this prospect. If I get the chance, I shall mention the Magical Unity Pony and see what kind of response I get. Fanboys for Obama!

  116. 116.

    Genine

    Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

    Don’t say that. A friend of mine already thinks I should have a website. lol But, if you ever need any tips or info, Krista, just ask! :)

    you don’t live in California by any chance? :D

    Nope.

    GENINE! Safe, sane, consensual?

    Oh, yeah.

  117. 117.

    Dennis - SGMM

    Well, wielding a whip on someone is a skill.

    Rookies. You must not have any Rose bushes close to hand. The thorns of the Rose can provide anything from a gift to an admonition to a severe reproof.

  118. 118.

    Genine

    Dreggas Says:

    Oh and a whip takes a lot of skill. Can really damage the kidneys and spine with it, I am more a fan of floggers tho a crop is a fun implement too.

    Yes, floggers are fun and you don’t need a lot of skill in order to not cause damage. I mean you really have to try to inflict serious damage and that is not a person I’d want to deal with.

  119. 119.

    Medicine Man

    Damn! Has Wil left the building?

    Loved your speech at the Penny Arcade Expo dude. :)

  120. 120.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    you don’t live in California by any chance?

    Nope.

    Well if you ever get out this way let me know :D

  122. 122.

    Genine

    I just want to say this is a fun blog. We talk politics, social issues, Star Trek, Miley Cyrus, scandals, tits, and now whipping and flogging… and all in one place!

    I feel like I’ve come home. =sniff=

  123. 123.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    Dreggas Says:

    Oh and a whip takes a lot of skill. Can really damage the kidneys and spine with it, I am more a fan of floggers tho a crop is a fun implement too.

    Yes, floggers are fun and you don’t need a lot of skill in order to not cause damage. I mean you really have to try to inflict serious damage and that is not a person I’d want to deal with.

    I’ve had some heavy one used on me that could pretty easily bruise a kidney in the wrong hands. Of course wrapping is always an issue but it’s easy enough to learn NOT to do.

  124. 124.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    I just want to say this is a fun blog. We talk politics, social issues, Star Trek, Miley Cyrus, scandals, tits, and now whipping and flogging
 and all in one place!

    I feel like I’ve come home. =sniff=

    The longer I have hung out here and at the GOS the more convinced I am that there are a lot of kinksters and “my kind of people” out there LOL. Wait until we get on about TENs Units and violet wands BWAHAHAHAHAA.

  125. 125.

    slightly_peeved

    “oh, people will have to WAIT for the care they need, other countries have these horrible long waiting lists!”

    This is one of the points that gets brought up by people unfamiliar with the other systems.

    Australia has a waiting list for elective surgery, but also has a private insurance system running on top of the public system. Pay private insurance (about AU$110 a month) and you get elective surgery as soon as your particular surgeon is free, plus a private room when you’re in hospital, and money back for things like glasses, dental care, physiotherapy, etc. A number of European countries run under a similar system, I believe.

  126. 126.

    Cain

    yes, welcome to balloon-juice where a post by Wil Wheaton goes from trekkies to how do administer a proper whipping and by men who’d love one.

    We’re probably distracting John badly with all this..

    cain

  127. 127.

    Genine

    The longer I have hung out here and at the GOS the more convinced I am that there are a lot of kinksters and “my kind of people” out there LOL. Wait until we get on about TENs Units and violet wands BWAHAHAHAHAA.

    OMG! That’s SO funny! You’re a trip! We should probably let the thread go back to Star Trek, lest we scandalize people.

    I bet w vincentz didn’t think it would come to this!

  128. 128.

    Dreggas

    Cain Says:

    yes, welcome to balloon-juice where a post by Wil Wheaton goes from trekkies to how do administer a proper whipping and by men who’d love one.

    We’re probably distracting John badly with all this..

    cain

    I’m greedy, I give and receive.

  129. 129.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    The longer I have hung out here and at the GOS the more convinced I am that there are a lot of kinksters and “my kind of people” out there LOL. Wait until we get on about TENs Units and violet wands BWAHAHAHAHAA.

    OMG! That’s SO funny! You’re a trip! We should probably let the thread go back to Star Trek, lest we scandalize people.

    I bet w vincentz didn’t think it would come to this!

    Oh I’ve gone there before, here much to my own personal amusement. :D

  130. 130.

    nightjar

    We’re probably distracting John badly with all this.

    Ah, he probably doesn’t care unless we get off on Bukakke or cream pies. OOps.

  132. 132.

    Cain

    I have sensitive skin, flogging and whipping probably wouldn’t do it for me. I’m probably not a fan of giving either… Who knows what that would unlock! Well if I was giving it to Wil Wheaton I suppose I might reconsider.

    cain

  133. 133.

    Anne Elk (Miss)

    We should probably let the thread go back to Star Trek, lest we scandalize people

    yeah, cause Star Trek only has Klingons who use painsticks for every important rite of passage….
    and Vulcans, who used to engage in mortal combat with sharp blades and leather straps before they could consummate their marriages….
    and the Betazoids, who get married naked…

    I believe it took quite a bit to scandalize Gene Roddenberry, based on the unauthorized biographies…

  134. 134.

    w vincentz

    Dreggas,
    Your talk got me so excited that I had to take a break and go for a ride on one of my thoroughbreds.
    I used the rotator cuff kinda twist down the backside.
    I sure liked it, and I think Big Molly did as well. She sure turned on.
    Took a while to cool her off, but as you might know, I never ride em hard and put em away wet.
    Oh, try setting the stirrups up a notch higher. Great on the legs!

  135. 135.

    Dreggas

    nightjar Says:

    We’re probably distracting John badly with all this.

    Ah, he probably doesn’t care unless we get off on Bukakke or cream pies. OOps.

    yeah that was the day John lost his innocence when he found out what that is.

  136. 136.

    Genine

    I’m greedy, I give and receive.

    Hmmm, the West Coast IS nice this time of year… lol

    But, seriously, unless you live in BFE, you must have a lot of access to various resources.

  137. 137.

    Krista

    Cain Says:

    yes, welcome to balloon-juice where a post by Wil Wheaton goes from trekkies to how do administer a proper whipping and by men who’d love one.

    And that’s why I love it here. It’s really sort of a “let-it-all-hang-out” kind of place, but there’s still a lot of respect amongst the rabble.

  138. 138.

    Dreggas

    Cain Says:

    I have sensitive skin, flogging and whipping probably wouldn’t do it for me. I’m probably not a fan of giving either
 Who knows what that would unlock! Well if I was giving it to Wil Wheaton I suppose I might reconsider.

    cain

    LOL. Now I can say it would probably be fun to flog wil but only in the fun happy sense. After a while of receiving the skin toughens up and really flogging feels a lot like a massage.

  139. 139.

    Cain

    Dreggas,
    Your talk got me so excited that I had to take a break and go for a ride on one of my thoroughbreds.
    I used the rotator cuff kinda twist down the backside.
    I sure liked it, and I think Big Molly did as well. She sure turned on.
    Took a while to cool her off, but as you might know, I never ride em hard and put em away wet.
    Oh, try setting the stirrups up a notch higher. Great on the legs!

    um.. where to begin?

    :D

    cain

  140. 140.

    Corvus9

    The first exposure I had to Wil Wheaton was a post he did, I think it was on Suicide Girls (!), about all the Hollywood Fucks invading the SAN Fran Comicon. It was pretty awesome. I think I found it from a link from Warren Ellis. The guy who wrote Transmetropolitan. Have you been linked to be the guy who wrote Transmetropolitan? No.

    Wil Wheaton is more badass then you, Wesley Crusher be damned. Live with it and move on in your sad little excuse for a life.

  141. 141.

    Dreggas

    w vincentz Says:

    Dreggas,
    Your talk got me so excited that I had to take a break and go for a ride on one of my thoroughbreds.
    I used the rotator cuff kinda twist down the backside.
    I sure liked it, and I think Big Molly did as well. She sure turned on.
    Took a while to cool her off, but as you might know, I never ride em hard and put em away wet.
    Oh, try setting the stirrups up a notch higher. Great on the legs!

    Ummmmmm ok….

  142. 142.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    I’m greedy, I give and receive.

    Hmmm, the West Coast IS nice this time of year
 lol

    But, seriously, unless you live in BFE, you must have a lot of access to various resources.

    I live in the OC and get out to L.A. once in a while. Good community and scene even down here behind the orange curtain.

  143. 143.

    Cain

    And that’s why I love it here. It’s really sort of a “let-it-all-hang-out” kind of place, but there’s still a lot of respect amongst the rabble.

    Indeed, you guys are quite the rabble. I figured y’all guys were all fun to hang out with after like 2 days of reading balloon-juice.

    LOL. Now I can say it would probably be fun to flog wil but only in the fun happy sense. After a while of receiving the skin toughens up and really flogging feels a lot like a massage.

    I’ll take your word for it! :-)

    cain

  144. 144.

    Nikki

    Rookies. You must not have any Rose bushes close to hand. The thorns of the Rose can provide anything from a gift to an admonition to a severe reproof.

    *SIGH* I actually got starry-eyed reading that.

  145. 145.

    Krista

    After a while of receiving the skin toughens up and really flogging feels a lot like a massage.

    I’m definitely out on the receiving, then. This little chickadee has very sensitive skin, and likes it that way.

  146. 146.

    Soylent Green

    Wil Wheaton, if you’re still here (doubtful once the Trek chat gets going):

    I think you are a fine actor and writer and a stand-up guy, not to be confused with the kid you played on TV a hundred years ago. I’ve enjoyed your blog for years. That said, I think you ought to grin and bear it when the Wesley jokes inevitably start. Your fame is what drives your blog traffic.

    As for this:

    I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate — or, really, any leader — in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity — maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity — to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    I couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m 20 years older than you, but just as inspired. So let the cynics and burnouts have their say. I won’t be disappointed when Obama turns out not to have magic powers, because it’s never been about the messenger; it’s about his message.

    Let’s hope this isn’t the only time in our lives that we hear it.

  147. 147.

    Dulcie

    I’m a big fan of the whip, but I’m a receiver, not a giver.

    Who knew there were so many fellow kinksters on Balloon Juice?

    I love a good flogging – both giving and receiving.

  148. 148.

    w vincentz

    Genine,
    Nope, I didn’t.
    First I was talkin’ about Hill’s dominance of Billy (payback’s a bitch donch think?).
    Then I was talkin’ about ridin’ one of my horses.
    Look at where this went!
    Good that it all hangs out sometimes..(especially when it’s least expected!)

  149. 149.

    Dreggas

    Krista Says:

    After a while of receiving the skin toughens up and really flogging feels a lot like a massage.

    I’m definitely out on the receiving, then. This little chickadee has very sensitive skin, and likes it that way.

    I don’t mean it becomes desensitized. If you bruise easily then I would not recommend it (unless you’d wear them as trophy marks). With sensitive skin types it’s more fun to use tack gloves (aka vampire gloves) and hot wax and ice and other sensation type stuff anyway.

  150. 150.

    Cain

    Well Dulcie, this is a political blog we are all getting our flogging and beatings one way or another. We’re either giving it or receiving it in here. Heh.

    cain

  151. 151.

    Nikki

    Who knew there were so many fellow kinksters on Balloon Juice?

    I love a good flogging – both giving and receiving.

    Welcome to the BJKinksters, Dulcie!

  152. 152.

    Dreggas

    Dulcie Says:

    I’m a big fan of the whip, but I’m a receiver, not a giver.

    Who knew there were so many fellow kinksters on Balloon Juice?

    I love a good flogging – both giving and receiving.

    I see kinky people….they’re everywhere….they’re kinky and they just don’t know it.

    What amuses me the most is pointing out how many kinksters are doctors, nurses, etc. Tho I have to say politicians have lost their shock factor “DAMN YOU DAVID VITTER AND LARRY CRAIG”

  153. 153.

    Dulcie

    Well Dulcie, this is a political blog we are all getting our flogging and beatings one way or another. We’re either giving it or receiving it in here. Heh.

    That made me laugh.

    Welcome to the BJKinksters, Dulcie!

    Thanks, Nikki. I knew that Dreggas was into BDSM, but I had no idea there were so many others hanging out here.

    I see kinky people
.they’re everywhere
.they’re kinky and they just don’t know it.

    My ex used to say that everyone is kinky, they just need the right motivation :-)

  154. 154.

    Genine

    LOL. Now I can say it would probably be fun to flog wil but only in the fun happy sense. After a while of receiving the skin toughens up and really flogging feels a lot like a massage.

    Yes, it be tingly and soothing after a while. Then comes the sensation play!

  155. 155.

    Cain

    Yes, it be tingly and soothing after a while. Then comes the sensation play!

    Gads. You must stock up on aloe vera.

    (and not in a good way!)

    cain

  156. 156.

    Breschau

    So, I see the link to Wil’s blog, and I think “Hey, cool – Wil and John and I are about the same age, this all kind of ties together.”

    I read Wil’s post – I agree completely with his first paragraph, and I laugh at the phone call conversation.

    Then, I come back to BJ, and go into the comments – figuring I can write something like “Hey, Wil – so Fark.com is cool enough to comment in, but not here? Poseur.”

    A couple of pages down, I see Wil’s comment.

    Then, the serious Trekkie geek stuff starts rolling out.

    Someone posts the Star Trek fight song.

    GENINE makes a post showing obvious first hand experience with flagellation. Krista expresses interest. Nikki follows up quickly after that.

    This is, without a doubt…

    BEST. POST (and comments). EVAH.

  157. 157.

    Nikki

    BEST. POST (and comments). EVAH.

    Apparently, the freaks DO come out at night. LOL

  158. 158.

    PaulW

    dr. bloor Says:

    PaulW Says:

    Oh lord, I’m flashing back to a 1992 SNL skit where the Democratic candidates are selling themselves at a Trek convention
 Paul Tsongas offering himself up as a Captain Kirk
 Bill Clinton going into meltdown mode because Spock was endoring Tsongas
 oh man, those were great years for SNL


    Um, Paul? Just how old are you?…

    I’m older than the Beatles and younger than the Rolling Stones.

    Actually I’m about 2 years older than Wil (!!!).

    And today’s my birthday. So there.

  159. 159.

    w vincentz

    Breschau,
    Agreed.
    This went classic in a hurry.
    Shit, I’m not even a Catholic priest (though I might be one some day).
    Kinksters of the world unite!

  160. 160.

    Genine

    Nikki Says:

    BEST. POST (and comments). EVAH.

    Apparently, the freaks DO come out at night. LOL

    And the daytime. :) A lot of times, I’m a morning person.

    Off topic: I was getting my lunch today and I heard Karma Chameleon playing. That album came out 25 years ago! That’s more disconcerting than my Little Pony being 26 years old because I thought My Little Pony was kind of stupid.

    But I loved Culture Club!

  161. 161.

    Nikki

    I was just about to wish PaulW a Happy Birthday! But then Genine had to post about Culture Club and 25 years ago and now I’m too depressed.

  162. 162.

    w vincentz

    Happy Birthday PaulW!
    Was going to comment on Boy George, Culture Club, cool eye make-up, and public community service humiliation, or whips, but I’ll just repeat myself instead.
    Happy Birthday!

  163. 163.

    Chris Johnson

    Gah! Medicine Man, you stole my greeting.

    Hi Wil! Great PAX keynote speech! Don’t let the TV watchers get you down, this blog also has a goodly amount of hardcore geekness for you! Stick around :)

    Love, slashdot user #580 thus possibly geekier than you even…

  164. 164.

    kind of an off white

    Y’know, if Wil Wheaton had said:

    Time (Clock of the Heart) is such a great song that it will not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    I would’ve just nodded in agreement and not set a bunch of people off before.

    That album’s brilliant and criminally underrated. My sense of justice is somewhat assuaged by the gobs of money they made.

  165. 165.

    Genine

    Nikki Says:

    I was just about to wish PaulW a Happy Birthday! But then Genine had to post about Culture Club and 25 years ago and now I’m too depressed.

    Just think of what Dreggas said about roses… that’ll cheer you up!

    And happy birthday PaulW! :)

  166. 166.

    Cain

    And happy birthday PaulW! :)

    My birthday is on mother’s day. I’m a gift that keeps on giving, baby. ;)

    I’m not surprised with all the BSDM stuff.. they’d be attracted to the democratic party being that we all suffer underneath its umbrella.. it makes perfect sense. Look at us, we’re at each other’s throats O vs H. Together it’s O-H, OH! OH! OH! .. OH!

    haha.. I make me laugh. I need a drink…

    cain

  167. 167.

    Cain

    Love, slashdot user #580 thus possibly geekier than you even


    Dude.. you are elite. Mine is pretty low too.. slashdot user #1856.

    cain

  168. 168.

    Krista

    GENINE makes a post showing obvious first hand experience with flagellation. Krista expresses interest. Nikki follows up quickly after that.

    Indeed. This entire conversation has definitely piqued my interest.

  170. 170.

    Dreggas

    Off topic: I was getting my lunch today and I heard Karma Chameleon playing. That album came out 25 years ago! That’s more disconcerting than my Little Pony being 26 years old because I thought My Little Pony was kind of stupid.

    I blame boy george for my attraction to feminine men in womens clothing and to trannies in general. I had a framed picture of him when I was 5 and thought he was a she.

  171. 171.

    Dreggas

    Krista Says:

    GENINE makes a post showing obvious first hand experience with flagellation. Krista expresses interest. Nikki follows up quickly after that.

    Indeed. This entire conversation has definitely piqued my interest.

    I guess that is one way of putting it.

    OT: My father just sent me a chain email about Obama not putting his hand on his heart during the National Anthem claiming it was during the pledge of allegiance and with a long screed in red and blue letters about McCain talking about the pledge. Mind you my father used to hate McCain. Please someone shoot me.

  172. 172.

    Genine

    I blame boy george for my attraction to feminine men in womens clothing and to trannies in general. I had a framed picture of him when I was 5 and thought he was a she

    Wow! Same with me!

    You’re like my twin… but not!

  173. 173.

    Dreggas

    Genine Says:

    I blame boy george for my attraction to feminine men in womens clothing and to trannies in general. I had a framed picture of him when I was 5 and thought he was a she

    Wow! Same with me!

    You’re like my twin
 but not!

    Hi Sis!

  174. 174.

    b. hussein canuckistani

    Crap. I hope we didn’t chase Wil away with our uber-dorkiness. Perhaps he’s still here, but under a different handle.
    Dreggas – you were mentioning earlier your knowledge of Marina Sertis’ kinky side. Is there anything you’d like to confess to us, Dreggas? Or should I say – Wil?

  175. 175.

    kwAwk

    “Wil Wheaton Hates Her, Too”

    “The Psycho Ex-Girlfriend of the Democratic Party”

    _______________

    I wonder how many times you guys think you can tell Hillary supporters to basically ‘fuck off’ and still think we are going to show up in November to support your unity pony.

    The time is coming in the next couple of weeks where Obama and his ilk will be begging Hillary to bow out of the race gracefully and help Obama unify the party. I hope she doesn’t do it honestly.

    I hope she tells him that if he is who he says he is, the great unifier, then he shouldn’t need all the help. Everytime I read one of these posts I would like to see Hillary stay in the election and shred him up to the convention just to see all the angst and crocodile tears from his supporters.

    But apparently I’m just a spoof, whatever that stupid word means.

  176. 176.

    Dreggas

    Dreggas – you were mentioning earlier your knowledge of Marina Sertis’ kinky side. Is there anything you’d like to confess to us, Dreggas? Or should I say – Wil?

    well, this is just rumor however I heard she is a Top/Domme. Like I said no proof, never seen her at a party but have heard as much.

  177. 177.

    Dreggas

    I wonder how many times you guys think you can tell Hillary supporters to basically ‘fuck off’ and still think we are going to show up in November to support your unity pony.

    The time is coming in the next couple of weeks where Obama and his ilk will be begging Hillary to bow out of the race gracefully and help Obama unify the party. I hope she doesn’t do it honestly.

    And Honestly I can’t wait until you people get over your self important whiny ass titty baby routine and either buck up and support the dem nominee like the rest of us Democrats.

  178. 178.

    Breschau

    I wonder how many times you guys think you can tell Hillary supporters to basically ‘fuck off’ and still think we are going to show up in November to support your unity pony.

    I wonder how many times you can come across a joke and read it as “fuck off”.

    I’m sorry, but I’m tired of this bullshit. Some other people may choose to accomodate you and your oh-so-fucking-sensitive-sensibilities.. but you know what? Get over yourself.

    Shee lost. THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE FUCKING WORLD.

    Here is the question you must answer:

    Would you rather have Obama or McCain as the next POTUS?

    If are okay with McCain – Bush’s third term – then you are a traitor to the party and the country.

    If you instead answer “Obama”, then please stuff your Scarlet O’Hara-esque “Oh my WORD!” ability to be offended by the most meaningless comments where the sun don’t shine. We *ARE* trying to unite the party – but if you insist on finding offense in every single hidden corner of the blogosphere, then *YOU* are to blame.

    Or, would you prefer that the rest of us in the “Creative Class” stay bitter about that very label until January 2009? Cuz, ya know, that’ll fix everything. That’ll make everything better.

    (Why do I feel like I’m talking to my 5 year old whenever I have one of these conversations with a strident Hill-bot?)

  179. 179.

    kwAwk

    And just to provide a little balance, I’ll have some fun and we’ll do Barack Obama’s interview for the Dem nomination.

    BO: Hi I’m Barry Obama and I’m here to apply for the nomination for President.

    DP: Oh okay, but the sign says Barack.

    BO: I know but Barack sounds so much more exotic. My father is from Africa.

    DP: You don’t say. Well tell me about yourself Barry, or should I call you Barack?

    BO: Barack is fine. Well father was from Africa and my mom from Kansas. My parents split up and I was raised by my mother, my grandfather and my typical white grandmother.

    DP: How was she typical? Did she listen to Lawrence Welk?

    BO: No, no, no. Nothing like that. She was a bit racist and would say things that I found offensive once in a while. It was very cute don’t you know.

    DP: Umm…okay. Well lets move on, where did you go to school?

    BO: Well first I went to college in California, but then I transferred to Columbia University in New York where I studied political science.

    DP: So you’ve wanted to be a politician for some time?

    BO: No no the politics thing just happened, what I really wanted to be was a community organizer. People who want to be politicians are so phoney.

    DP: So did you get to become a community organizer?

    BO: Yes, after college.

    DP: So what did you organize Barry?

    BO: Rallys. You see the steel mills were shut down and we rallied to decry the shut steel mills.

    DP: Okay. So what did your rallies achieve?

    BO: Well, people were hopeful. And when they were hopeful they would come back to the next meeting.

    DP: Yes, but did you succeed in anything with the rallies?

    BO: Yes we had a great turnout.

    DP: But did the steel mills re-open, did people get jobs.

    BO: Well no. But we all left feeling pretty good about ourselves.

    DP: Ahh….okay. Lets move on. Why do you want to be President.

    BO: Because people need hope. And I’m good at hope. And I can bring everybody together to solve problems.

    DP: Thats great! Can you give me an example of this?

    BO: No. I’m kinda new to this politics thing. I did bring a lot of people together at the rallies. And when I do a campaign even women throw their underwear at me. I bet nobody ever threw their underwear at John McCain.

    DP: Except maybe Larry Craig. Ha ha. But you’ve been in the Senate for a few years now. Can you give me an example of how you’ve brought people together to solve problems?

    BO: No not really. You see those are Washington type people who are old and out of touch. They don’t seem to realize how special I am and don’t listen. When I’m President though, all that will change. The lion will lie down with the lamb, the world will unite and I guarantee that by the end of my first year in office, Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth will engage in a tearful embrace as they announce their reunion tour.

    DP: Wow! That sounds amazing. I am a bit concerned though you seem to be polling rather weak among Reagan Democrats.

    BO: Yes, that is true. But those people are discouraged and they cling to guns and religion to fill the big gaping hole in their shallow meaningless lives.

    DP: Don’t you think they might dislike having their lives called shallow and meaningless?

    BO: Well probably, but only because they are bitter. But when I’m done giving my speech they will all have tingles down their legs just like Chris Matthews. My wife Michelle says I give her a tingle or two don’t you know?

    DP: Ha ha ha, yes, I bet she does. Speaking of Michelle I heard she said that this is the first time she was ever proud of her country.

    BO: She didn’t mean it like that. She only meant that in her lifetime the country has never voted for anybody as special as me. Now they have, she meant no offense.

    DP: Oh I see. But since you mention it, the country has voted for you, 30 million votes cast and you seem to be winning the popular vote by a percent or two. How does that work as far as you being able to unify the party?

    BO: Well, once I am made the nominee I’ll ask Hillary to unify the party for me.

    DP: And you think she’ll do this?

    BO: Sure. She’ll want to unify the party, and ofcourse if she doesn’t do it we’ll accuse her of being racist, trying to destroy the party for her own benefit, and trash her husband’s legacy. My supporter have 20 years worth of Republican hyperbole, name calling and fairytales to draw upon. Its an offer she can’t refuse.

    DP: It certainly doesn’t sound very nice.

    BO: Oh it will be very nice. I’ll stand above the frey and let others do the dirty work. I learned that from George and Karl.

    DP: Very good. Now as far as policies, what will you use for a platform?

    BO: Thats the great part, Hillary, John Edwards, Joe Biden have all came up with plans, I’ll just copy their ideas and call them my own. Ofcourse I’ll water them down a bit so as to make them more palipable to republicans. It’ll work like a charm.

    DP: Well Barry, this all sounds great. Lets get to work.

  180. 180.

    kwAwk

    Breschau — Take about 6 deep breaths and re-read your post. Then try to tell me with a straight face that you don’t fit right in with the Bushies; right down to the gratuatous tossing around of the word traitor and even down to the condescending and dare I say it elitist rhetoric of how everybody who disagrees with you thinks like a 5 year old.

    You may think of the Hillary as the psycho ex-girlfried as a joke, which to you folks it probably is, but it is the type of joke that would fit in quite well at RedState or even MichaelSavage.com. Is that what is supposed to make it funny?

    Let me explain something to you from my bitter 5 year old point of view here. Those of us who support Hillary, support her for a reason. If you folks can’t back away from your arrogance and figure out what that reason is then your candidate is doomed to failure.

    That my friend is the reason Obama needs Hillary to unite the party for him. Because all the pie in the sky, can’t we all just get along, touchy feely rhetoric doesn’t have the same affect on everybody that it has on you. We want some evidence of actually being able to achive results.

    And if there is anything Obama resume’s is painfully thin on it is results.

  181. 181.

    Breschau

    My use of the word “traitor” is certainly not gratuitous. I actually argued with myself for 10 minutes on whether to include that or not. But I decided in the end – fuck it, yes.

    You did a nice job of trying to redirect the conversation. I’m going to try to fix it here.

    Here is the question you must answer:

    Would you rather have Obama or McCain as the next POTUS?

  182. 182.

    Blue Raven

    Voting for a Republican in this upcoming Presidential election is granting consent to continue the imperial presidency, pre-emptive war, the denial of our civil liberties, and a guaranteed rollback of Roe vs. Wade within 10 years.

    If that’s not treason, I want to know what is.

  183. 183.

    kwAwk

    How about you answering my question first.

    Why does the Great Unifyer of Men need Hillary Clinton to unify the Democratic Party?

  184. 184.

    kwAwk

    Blue Raven – Treason is a crime defined in the Constitution as being punishable by death. Would you really make the arguement that the 75,000,000+ voters who will vote for John McCain this year should be put to death?

    I hope not. I hope it is just hyperbole.

  185. 185.

    Breschau

    How about you answering my question first.

    Why does the Great Unifyer of Men need Hillary Clinton to unify the Democratic Party?

    He doesn’t.

    Your turn.

  186. 186.

    kind of an off white

    Say what you will about kwAwk, that sketch is still funnier than any of the ones Fred Armisen’s been in lately.

  187. 187.

    Tax Analyst

    Group think on Balloon-Juice:

    Question: Why Was Dianna Troi on the bridge?

    Near universal response: She could read minds we’d want her there too.

    If she coulda read minds she would have reached out through my TV screen and slapped me in the face.

    I don’t think I’m alone there, either.

  188. 188.

    Tax Analyst

    AkaDad Says:

    I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate—or, really, any leader—in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity—maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity—to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    I’ve basically said that here, yet nobody gave me a hard time about it.

    Yeah, it has to do with ones BEST hopes for the future. You know…something about “having a dream”. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. When we stop believing a better day is possible we should just throw in the fucking towel. It’s the kind of thing John Kennedy inspired in young folks at the time. Did he entirely match up to that expection? No, but a lot of those young folks ended up DOING inspirational things themselves. Don’t discount that by-product, it is our main hope in the future.

    I’m more afraid that too many have already done that than I am of folks going a little over the top over Obama.

    Don’t know if anyone will see this since I came to this part of the game rather late.

  189. 189.

    Slim

    You boys with the tingling legs just keep up your cutesy sexist rants. In two years, you’ll need to move to Illinois so you can do it again when he tries to stay in the Senate.

  191. 191.

    John Petty

    I thought the psycho ex-girlfriend thing was hilarious because it’s about the behavior and not the gender. It seems like the Internets comes down to people who get that and people who are determined to read it as sexist.

    Some people are just SO sensitive to these things. Of course, this has nothing at all to do with gender–nope, nosiree. It’s just the behavior–natch!

  193. 193.

    Darkrose

    Dreggas:

    I can take a single-tail but not a big fan of it. I prefer a “thud” to a “sting” most of the time, especially on my back. Get a good heavy Elk hide flogger and I could just go for days.

    I don’t know if my wrists are up to swinging a heavy flogger these days…how do you feel about canes?

    Darkrose, who is, in fact, in CA.

  194. 194.

    mere mortal

    I can’t believe I ever supported, defended and believed in the Clintons. – Will Wheaton

    Ironic, since that’s just the sort of thing a jilted, psychotic ex would say.

  195. 195.

    mere mortal

    Not to belabor the point, but

    I have never been so excited or inspired by a candidate—or, really, any leader—in my life, and I view this election as an historical opportunity—maybe even a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity—to not only save my country from the disaster wrought by Bush and Cheney, but fundamentally change how my government interacts with the rest of the world, and how it works for me and my fellow Americans.

    Sounds like Wil has found a new boyfriend in Obama. And I’m not being sexist or homophobic here, just talking about the behavior.

    If these comments cause offense to Wil, perhaps he’ll notice his own behavior in the reflection.

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