This is the kind of thing that just makes me want to pull my hair out:
After setting up an impressive team of Nevada veterans, including some noteworthy Hispanic operatives, Hillary Clinton arrived in May to lay down a marker on immigration reform.
She met with DREAMERs, who endorsed her last week. She talked a better game on executive orders than President Obama. Her team exuded confidence, especially since Bernie Sanders didn’t even have an organization in Nevada.
That was then.
After the disaster in snow-white New Hampshire and the near-death experience in colorless Iowa, Team Clinton suddenly was trying to make Nevada sound as if its rainbow of voters did not exist.
“There’s going to be a narrowing in both places (South Carolina and Nevada) — we’re clear-eyed about that,” Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon told NBC’s Chuck Todd, as reported by BuzzFeed’s Ruby Cramer. “There’s an important Hispanic element to the Democratic caucus in Nevada. But it’s still a state that is 80 percent white voters. You have a caucus-style format, and he’ll have the momentum coming out of New Hampshire presumably, so there’s a lot of reasons he should do well.”
***The facts:
Nevada’s Hispanic population is about 27 percent. African-Americans and Asian/Pacific Islanders make up; almost 10 percent. That is, nearly half of the state’s population is made up of minorities.
The Democratic caucus population was 35 percent minority in 2008, according to exit polls, and is expected to be as high as 40 percent in 2016, according to local Democratic sources. This is nothing like the 90 percent white caucus participation in Iowa, for instance.
This is the kind of thing that is just maddening. It’s the massagers and the spinners and the Baghdad Bobesque aspect of the circles around Clinton that just make me (at least) mental.
Watch this video:
That woman right there on stage does not need the idiots who keep doing this shit to keep dragging her down. They’re killing her.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
I think you’re overreacting (and you’re not alone) to some expectation setting.
Jasmine Bleach
Well, if these are the people she picks . . .
Baud
@Jim, Foolish LIteralist: Cole overreact?
Seebach
Why does she hire these fucking incompetents? It’s always her race to lose and she keeps losing.
Roger Moore
@Baud:
To something about Clinton? Unheard of!
Baud
@Seebach: So let her.
Just Some Fuckhead
John, have you gotten the pulse of random anonymous internet commenters? That’s where this race will be won or lost.
Tegdirb
I’m not understanding what you’re freaking out about. It’s a lowering of expectations.
randolf hurts
I love how often Hillary gets a pass because the people she deemed qualified to run her campaign have screwed her. C’mon Cole. Just acknowledge that she is and has been the leader of turds.
Gold Star
For years, I’ve predicted Hillary will win the White House – but make the election closer than it should be because she’s a bad campaigner.
This is what I mean by bad campaigning.
Trentrunner
Mark my words: This Clinton Foundation chicanery will be worse than the emails. It smells.
Tegdirb
@Seebach: Like the incomparable Tad Devine who helped Presidents Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry.
If Bernie gets to the GE then loses, I’m starting the rumor Tad is a Rove plant.
Baud
@Trentrunner:
The emails are a nothingburger.
Jasmine Bleach
@Tegdirb:
Yeah, but it’s a lowering of expectations using what are essentially lies. Yet another set of lies from the Clinton organization.
Seriously, why not just be honest? “We’re not expecting blowout victories in Nevada and South Carolina, but we’re still expecting victories.” I think that would make her a lot more genuine. Why bring race into it at all?
different-church-lady
@Trentrunner: Worse than Vince Foster’s murder?
MomSense
Compared to the horror show that is the Berniebros on Twitter saying disgusting things about John Lewis, this is nothing. Less than nothing.
Baud
@MomSense: Cole isn’t a “both sides” kind of guy.
dedc79
I would guess that this means their internal polling shows the race in NV and SC much closer than the last public polling (which was all pre-NH) showed. So they’re trying to get ahead of that.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
@Trentrunner: It smells. Smoke smells. Where there’s smoke, there must be fire. Therefore the CGI is burning!
(FTR: I think the CGI reflects its namesake: Well-intentioned, overly ambitious and sloppy. HRC should have kept it at more than an arm’s length)
FlipYrWhig
What is the racial breakdown of Nevada voters? Not the Nevada population, or the Nevada Democrats, but Nevada voters? Because that’s the statistic that was quoted.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Baud really fucked up today.
He was giving an interview and said President Obama isn’t a leader. Man, that is gonna really piss offf… you know… the blahs in South Carolina.
Oh wait, Baud is too smart to ever do something so patently stoopid, Turns out it was Sanders who said it.
Keep fucking that emoprog chicken, Sanders.
Mnemosyne
Hillary is expecting white Democrats to flock to Bernie. And?
shomi
Wr0ng way C0le trying to break some kind of record on how many wrong directions he can go in a single post.
Despite running a political blog post he doesn’t seem to have the foggiest idea how politics actually work.
Important factoids such as the fact that Hispanics are notoriously reliable at not voting. If you don’t vote you don’t matter. Simple as that.
mike in dc
Can we add a tag “Mommy and Daddy are fighting again” for the debate tonight?
Jasmine Bleach
@MomSense:
But Berniebros has been denounced by the candidate himself. This is coming directly from Clinton’s team. Big difference there. Goes to optics and honesty of her org.
Baud
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Do you have a quote?
Brandon
@Jasmine Bleach: Not just lies, but lies based on racialist arguments that provide some insight into their campaign that are truly frightening.
different-church-lady
@Jasmine Bleach: the optics and honesty of her organization vs. the optics and honesty of his supporters? There are no winners in that matchup.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud:
TallPete
Hillary’s corporate looking logo reminds of this article by Matt Bai
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
@Jasmine Bleach: Well “This” is pretty much fucking nothing, and BernieBros are a big part of the “Revolution”, aren’t they? All that youth and energy?
Speaking of which
But I’m sure they’ll vote for Bernie in the GE.
ETA: @Brandon: are truly frightening.
Verily, truly frightening. Terrifying, even.
See the shit you’re enabling, Cole?
David *Rafael* Koch
@Baud:
Corner Stone
@Trentrunner: Steve Schmidt, is that you?
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I don’t know why the Clintons choose the people they choose to help them run. They really need to sweep out the house. This is one of the reasons I’m going to vote for Sanders. I just don’t want to spend the next eight years listening to what dumb shit these idiots are going to do. I don’t know who’s in her staff these days. It seems safe to say that Lanny Davis and mark Penn aren’t going to be among them. But, shit. Who needs Davis or Penn when you can always find some other losers who are as bad?
FlipYrWhig
Oh hey you know what exit polls said about the 2012 election? Latino voters were… 19%. Fuck you very much, everyone who tried to make this a story today.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish LIteralist: Damn.
Peale
@Tegdirb: yep. Did she announce that she was changing her promise to dreamers so she could get the “white vote”? Is she complaining that she isn’t getting real voters, like she’s Tweety or something?
jl
A tender idealistic innocent youth like Cole has no business reading an old local NV curmudgeon like Joh Ralston, It will just upset the dear boy.
I don’t think Ralston has enough clout with corporate media to damage HRC with his stuff, he is crude and rude and impertinent with VSP political celebrities.
But maybe the problem is what Ralston wrote at the end of this local muckracker bulletin:
” I don’t smell a rat. I smell something much more pungent from the Clinton campaign: fear.”
HRC is channeling her inner Rubio, and panicking about the fact that the NH primary turned out exactly as predicted?
Or Ralston is blowing something way out of proportion because he needed some HRC filler to keep his local fans tuned in?
I don’t know. I hope the latter.
Baud
@David *Rafael* Koch: Ok. I got to give her props on that one.
FlipYrWhig
@FlipYrWhig: source : Wikipedia
Elie
Having problems commenting again. The entry box does not record what I type. Am commenting on my iPhone since reg laptop not working. Third day of some sort of glitch. What’s up John ? I thought the site was finished
FlipYrWhig
I CANT BELIEVE HILLARY CLINTON HIRES PEOPLE WHO CITE FACTS ACCURATELY ABOUT NEVADA
feebog
“But it’s still a state that is 80 percent white voters.”
Voters John, not residents. And according to Pew the Latino turnout of caucus goers in 2008 was 15 percent. So yeah, much ado about nothing.
different-church-lady
@Elie: It’s the site’s way of saying, “Please don’t waste your time, these people are idiots.”
David *Rafael* Koch
casino
Corner Stone
I guess no one on the FP cares that the CBC endorsed HRC….?
NotMax
Race to the bottom.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
jo6pac
Sorry but I have no feeling for this as I live a little above income as millions of blacks , browns and stupid white people (SWP)
Jasmine Bleach
@different-church-lady:
Seriously? The organization Clinton has direct control over, the people who literally speak for her to the press, versus some random idiots saying they support a candidate?
Yeah, berniebros may suck salted sucky things, and they are not helping Sanders of course, but in no way the same. Sanders has zero control over berniebros–unlike Clinton’s situation. If she can’t control her org’s message . . .
NotMax
@Elie
Now that’s comedy gold.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
I do worry about the Clintons (pre-Obama Dem) tendency to jump at every shadow.
@FlipYrWhig: It’s frightening, really. I may not leave the house tonight. OF course, it’s bloody cold outside.
@Corner Stone: To be fair, I’m sure it would have been the same silence had they embraced Bernie.
different-church-lady
@Jasmine Bleach:
Frankenstein had zero control over his monster. Just sayin’…
gwangung
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Everything else aside, why is Sanders doing this? Obama has very high approval rates for reliable Democratic voters; why run, even slightly, against him in the primary?
mike in dc
@Corner Stone: It wasn’t the CBC, it was the CBC’s PAC, which does not include most of the CBC actual membership.
different-church-lady
@gwangung: Because PERSONAL INTEGRITY!
FlipYrWhig
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Bernie Sanders’s theory of politics is asinine. He’s obviously an OBAMA DIDNT EVEN TRY diehard.
Corner Stone
@Jim, Foolish LIteralist: Given that we’re talking about a president working with Congress…
Mnemosyne
@gwangung:
Since this article says that polling seems to indicate that white voters are going to Bernie’s side, I think the answer is pretty obvious, don’t you?
Jasmine Bleach
@feebog:
From the article John quotes (if you care to read it)–35% minority Dem caucus goers in 2008. 40% expected this year. Not just Latino . . .
jl
@Corner Stone: Ellison says that something called the CBCPAC endorsed HRC, not the CBC.
I think Sanders expressed himself in a clumsy way that opened himself up to attack.
But in the link D Koch gave, the NBC summary gave a very misleading impression of what Sanders said.
NBS: Sanders: Obama hasn’t closed ‘presidential leadership gap’
So Ralston chums for his NV audience and NBS chums for a national one?
Link to the Sanders interview:
Bernie Sanders On Working With Congress | MSNBC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfQpLKxTD0E
Gimlet
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/nypd-officer-trial/index.html
New York (CNN)Officer Peter Liang, who shot and killed an unarmed man in a New York housing project stairwell in 2014, was found guilty of manslaughter and official misconduct on Thursday.
As the verdict was read, Liang dropped his head — his hands around the back of his neck — as one of his attorneys comforted him.
The highly unusual conviction of a police officer for the shooting death of a civilian means the rookie cop is automatically fired from the force.
sparrow
@MomSense: Agreed. Well played, Clinton, well played. Smart to troll dumb 20 year olds into attacking a beloved civil rights leader. It’s impossible for Bernie to control all his idiotic supporters. Sigh.
Felonius Monk
@Corner Stone:
So what? First, it was the CBC PAC that endorsed her, not the CBC. Second, most members of the CBC had individually endorsed Hilz months ago. Today was kind of a anti-climactic nothingburger.
Corner Stone
@mike in dc: Fascinating.
African American lawmakers slam Sanders as false revolutionary while endorsing Clinton
MomSense
@Jasmine Bleach:
I don’t see the scandal in downplaying expectations before a caucus. Seems like campaigning basics. What am I supposed to be outraged about? Her campaign is saying the race is tightening. Shouldn’t you be celebrating?
Wrb
Is there anyone other than revived PUMAs who use the term “Berniebros”?
Calouste
@FlipYrWhig: A Democrat running against the sitting Democratic President. Worked out so well for Al Gore in 2000.
sparrow
@Corner Stone: Very well-coordinated. I wonder how huge the young vs old divide is going to be on the AA vote. Could be interesting.
FlipYrWhig
@Jasmine Bleach: So you’re just not even going to acknowledge that the demographics of Nevada in 2012 had Latino voters at 19%? Making the statement entirely accurate?
Alex
@gwangung: Because Sanders is running a revolution, one which implicitly attacks the democratic party for selling out to corporate interests.
different-church-lady
@Jasmine Bleach: Kinda hard to square these two sets of statistics. If we are to take Pew’s 15% latino turn out vs. 25% of overall population, then the remaining 25% of non-white turnout from only 10% of the overall population.
In other words, we need to believe that Latinos turn out is drastically under proportion, while non-Latino, non-white turnout is drastically over proportion.
gwangung
@Wrb: People of color. Women.
MomSense
@sparrow:
Seriously, if this is the revolution – get out of my damned foxhole.
jl
@NotMax:
” Race to the bottom. ”
Now don’t you go Rubio on us. We have the GOP primary to watch a race to the bottom.
HRC and Sanders said some not optimal things in a not optimal way.
We need to move on from ‘how did Obama fail me today?” to “How did inadequate Dem candidate X fail me today?” Doesn’t have quite the ring to it though, and we do want to keep the GOP thinking that Obama is running in the next presidential election.
Kay
I just think it’s expectation setting so fair game.
I do wonder about where they’re going with this argument though.
The argument in Iowa was Iowa isn’t representative of the national Party because it’s so white and so liberal. Okay, so Clinton has strong AA and Latino support so while that isn’t really an explanation for Iowa, is it as explanation for why she might be stronger in other states. Saying Nevada is 80% white, however, shifts that a little.
Is she saying she has an actual disadvantage with white voters v Bernie Sanders? She has to be, right? Because if he has a disadvantage with Latino voters (or she has an advantage) and they’re 20% that leaves 80% where each candidate has an equal chance, which should still give her a substantially better than even shot. She starts with an advantage with 20% OR he starts with an disadvantage with 20%, they split the remaining 80% white where the two candidates have an even chance.
Calouste
@Alex: If Sanders wants to attack the Democratic party, he should have run as a Republican. Or as an independent, but than he wouldn’t have gotten any attention outside New Hampshire to stroke his ego.
Baud
@jl: Baud! doesn’t fail; he can only be failed.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
@gwangung:people with at least a passing familiarity with the actual American electorate?
Tegdirb
@sparrow: It’s Clinton’s fault when Sanders’ team steals her data and now it’s Clinton’s fault when Berniebros go full racist on John Lewis?
Why not just say she’s asking for it by running?
Elie
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
THIS
This is POISON for Bernie and guarantees an unforgettable taint on many black people’s view of him. I thought he was so smart….
Mnemosyne
@Wrb:
I voted for Obama in both primaries and I say “Berniebros.” If you’re going to act like an entitled white dude, I’m going to say so.
MomSense
@Wrb:
Since I was decidedly not a Clinton supporter in 2007-08 and I was hoping beyond hope for an alternative to Clinton, I’m going to say yes. There are many of us non-PUMAs who use the term Berniebros.
gwangung
@Alex: Again, while attacking the popular incumbent of the party he’s co-opting?
Not sure if that sort of exploitation of a party is going to succeed for the primaries, let alone the general….
NotMax
@jl
Site really needs an alternate color text to designate snark.
Renie
John, I agree 100% and I’m a Hillary supporter. Someone needs to tell her advisors to STFU and let her be herself. The other day my son, who’s ‘feeling the bern’ was telling me Hillary’s people were going after Bernie for not being pro-Israel enough. Crikeys, just drop this crap.
Mnemosyne
@Kay:
I’m reading it as them saying that polling shows that white voters are now going for Bernie instead of being split 50/50, but I’m reading on an iPhone screen.
Tegdirb
Everyone knows calling obnoxious white dudes Berniebros is the real racism. Or something.
chopper
honestly john, I think the post’s tag is pretty accurate.
bin Lurkin'
I persuaded two people this week here by the Heart of Dixie to start small monthly donations to Sanders, I predict after the sliming Clinton simply will be unable to stop herself from doing tonight that Sanders donations will pick up yet again.
John Cole
@Wrb: It’s the same people who used the Obama Boys stuff.
Having said that, the online Sanders trolls are seriously some of the most annoying fucking people on the planet. And they are just relentlessly after black people on twitter.
Mike with a mic
https://harpers.org/blog/2015/11/shaky-foundations/
If Clinton is the nominee democrats will loose and deserve to. CGI is a money laundering and bribery organization for some very unsavory characters. If Clinton is the nominee the damage done by their dealings would justifiably destroy the Democratic Party in the eyes of most voters and prove Nader right.
jl
@FlipYrWhig:
” He’s obviously an OBAMA DIDNT EVEN TRY diehard. ”
Sanders has said exactly the opposite many times, and in the link I gave above.
What are people fussing about? One of these two pols needs to get their ass elected president in November. Neither of them are perfect by any means. Anything else is trivia, considering the GOP alternative.
Marc
@MomSense: Do you really think that attacking random people on the internet for saying unspecified bad things – in reaction to someone endorsing a candidate that they oppose – is remotely effective? Do you realize how bad it has been for Demcrats to demand that we issue ritual denounciations every time that a Democrat says anything that can be twisted into something bad, or that is actually bad?
Why, why, why do people here think that this is a good approach?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Last September the CBC held their annual dinner. President Obama was the keynote speaker. Hillary Clinton attended. Joe Biden attended.
Guess who was a no-show. It was the same guy who said racism is over 3 months after the Ferguson murder.
Tell it to James Blake.
Tell Latinos immigration reform is “not important.”
Go ahead.
different-church-lady
@Mike with a mic: Knock it off, Doug J.
Corner Stone
@chopper: That was well before 2008.
Marc
@MomSense: I’ve never heard it as anything but a sneering slur.
Cacti
Go for it Bern.
Run as the white savior that minorities have been waiting for, but just didn’t know it.
p.a.
Gonna be a looonngggg 9 months here.
Renie
@Seebach: Well hello there. We actually agree on something.
different-church-lady
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
I wonder how Tamir Rice’s family is doing.
Corner Stone
@Mike with a mic:
Good Lordt knows I need to absolutely run into some loose Democrats.
Please, FSM, make it so!
different-church-lady
@Corner Stone: I thought we all had New York City values?
Cacti
@different-church-lady:
Sandra Bland had a job.
Tamir Rice and Trayvon Martin didn’t need them.
Not every problem has an economics-first solution.
But upper middle class white socialists have always believed they do.
Mike with a mic
The foundation is crooked. Nominating Clinton is as odious as nominating Nixon. And will rightly cause my generation to write off the democrats as crooks and prove once and for all that both sides suck but the democrats defend corruption by crying sexism.
We will deserve to lose the Supreme Court as well and everything that comes with it.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
The truth is polling shows Sanders losing both the White and Black vote in South Carolina.
Maybe the DudeBros should start whitespalin to whites and not just the blahs.
different-church-lady
@Mike with a mic: Who is this “we” you’re babbling on about?
Technocrat
@Calouste:
To be fair, his whole platform is implicitly (if not explicitly) anti-Obama. Obama’s taken quite a bit of Wall Street money, and who defines the “status quo” better than the two-term sitting President? I think what’s confusing is that, while his platform makes perfect sense for an Independent, it’s awkward for someone running as a card-carrying member of the Democratic Party. This is what it would look like if Jill Stein suddenly became a Dem.
How are the “big guns” of the party going to campaign for him if he wins the nom? Who are his surrogates going to be? No current Dems can plausibly make the case he makes, because the Democratic party isn’t really revolution-based. Some might make the case that it should be, but that function has traditionally been filled by parties farther to our left.
Mnemosyne
@John Cole:
And the fact that some people (not you) don’t understand why relentlessly attacking the most loyal Democratic voters might not be a great idea for your long-term strategy is not a good sign.
Chyron HR
Just checking: When Sanders’ supporters spout conspiracy theories about Hillary’s e-mails, the Clinton Foundation, the White House Christmas card list, etc, they’re doing it from the LEFT, correct? I wouldn’t want to think they were spreading Republican talking points, because good progressives know that’s totally unacceptable.
jl
@Baud:
” Baud! doesn’t fail; he can only be failed. ”
The implacable and inept Baud! who is fecklessly and very cleverly knowingly destroying everything good and noble, failed to fail me today, thus shattering my disillusionment, which is the ultimate betrayal.
Who is worse than the H Clinton and Sanders monstrosities? Baud! 2016! Only he can defeat the GOP, unless he wins that nomination too.
chopper
@FlipYrWhig:
but you see, the dude from her campaign cited the statistic of overall voters in NV rather than for dem caucus goers. under Clinton Rules this is a huge issue, possibly even a scandal.
MomSense
@Marc:
Have you seen the horrible things that Bernie supporters are saying about John Lewis on Twitter? I do not want any part of any movement or revolution that includes those people. It is not an attack to say that I want no part of that.
Kay
@Mnemosyne:
So it;s no longer just “AA and Latino prefer Clinton” it’s now “white people prefer Sanders?”
That’s actually the only way the Iowa argument ever made sense, but it’s a very different thing to say “Hillary Clinton is stronger with AA and Latino than Sanders” than it is to say “Hillary Clinton is weaker with white voters than Sanders”.
I have to tell you, that’s a new one for me re: Hillary Clinton. I wouldn’t have said going into this “she’s at a clear disadvantage with white voters” :)
FlyingToaster
@Wrb: Everyone who’s ever had to even inadvertently interact with them, including Sanders’ supporters like my husband.
Steve from Antioch
@John Cole: how dare they react to the ongoing, Clinton-orchestrated racist attacks on Sanders?
That’s just not fair. That’s like saying that Clintoncunts are as bad as Berniebros.
goblue72
@Jim, Foolish LIteralist: More people voted for Republican candidates than Democrats candidate in NH. Can you do math? 35,000 more voters in the NH primary voted GOP than Democrat. And yes, if more voters voted GOP, I would expect that more youth voted for the combined total of people voting for ALL the GOP candidates, than youth who voted, voted for a single one of the two Democratic candidates.
How does math work? It hurts my brains!!!!
In the words of this ex-Masshole – what are you, effing retahdid?
lamh36
Shitstorm in Louisiana right now…
Text of John Bel Edwards Address
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@different-church-lady: aint that the truth.
Trayvon Martin was murdered in his uncle’s gated community, holding a bag of candy.
NR
@MomSense: What a dishonest comparison. We’re talking about an official Clinton spokesman versus random people on Twitter.
goblue72
@MomSense: I don’t see anything from the campaign that is actively encouraging those random folks on the Internet – quite the opposite. Which is quite different from if a campaign was encouraging it.
But, if you need a fainting couch, there are plenty available.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve from Antioch: Clintonc*nts? Really?
lamh36
I swear, if I had children of school age I’d try my best right now or as soon as possible to get the HELL out of Louisiana…unless/until it gets it’s shit together…smh
” Some students may have to drop out of school.”
Gimlet
Privatizing the FAA.
http://transportation.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=399699
Shuster, LoBiondo Introduce Bill to Spin Off Air Traffic Control from Federal Government
Washington, DC – Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Bill Shuster (R-PA) and Aviation Subcommittee Chairman Frank LoBiondo (R-NJ) today introduced the Aviation Innovation, Reform, and Reauthorization (AIRR) Act, legislation that establishes an independent, not-for-profit corporation, outside of the federal government, to modernize and provide U.S. air traffic control (ATC) services.
our system is incredibly inefficient, and it will only get worse as passenger levels grow and as the FAA falls further behind in modernizing the system. Furthermore, the FAA’s overly bureaucratic certification processes are handicapping American companies and causing us to fall behind our competition.
Cacti
@Steve from Antioch:
There is not now, nor has there ever been such a thing as anti-white racism in the United States of America.
To suggest that a white US Senator is the victim of racism is tone deaf at best, and appallingly ignorant at worst.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
@Marc: Did you get a sash when Cole named you Hall Monitor?
jl
@lamh36: Horrible. Either HRC or Sanders vastly preferable to how any GOP president will Jindalize the whole country.
The ‘moderate’ Kasich wants to raise interest rates, so… ???… strong dollar and sound money… ???… and then wonderful riches.
Any one of those people will be a disaster.
MomSense
@Kay:
Isn’t the bigger problem that Sanders has been invoking revolution to describe his campaign and yet he didn’t win Iowa? Voter turnout is well below 2008 levels. I don’t get why this isn’t more of a problem than the standard downplaying results before the caucus.
Cacti
@Mike with a mic:
I had no idea that Richard Nixon was a cultural touchstone for the generation that started being born a decade after he left office.
Mnemosyne
@Kay:
I can’t guarantee that I’m reading it right, but I read it as the Clinton campaign saying that white voters were shifting to Bernie, so that was going to make the race tighter in NV than they originally thought.
I’m actually not that surprised — I was pretty sure that Hillary’s embrace of Obama would have consequences. Firebaggers never went away, they just flocked to Bernie.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
THat’s beneath even you, you contemptible, pathetic little internet poser..
Mike with a mic
@chyron
I think sanders would be a disaster. But Clinton is leading the party is putting someone who makes Nixon look honest, Kissinger a saint, and makes the democrats the real party of Wall Street and the one percent. At that point the party is truly evil, plutocratic, and by far the worse of two evils. And any who votes for it supports the greater evil
Steve from Antioch
@Cacti:
You’re such dumb, your mama thinks you are dumb.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@John Cole:
See. I told everyone I this was true.
Every time I bring this up some Sanders supporter accuses me of making it up. But it’s a fact. Others will say, so what if it’s true. Well, if you’re an apologist of white mobs attacking blacks — that’s just sad.
NR
@Chyron HR:
You’re right. That sort of thing is only okay when Hillary does it. Like about single-payer (it’ll cost SO MUCH!)
Cacti
@Steve from Antioch:
And your mother lied to you. You’re not special.
Not even special in your own way.
sparrow
@MomSense: Lewis purposely made it seem like Sanders was lying about participating in civil rights protests, and then added for good measure that he “saw” Hillary (who was 15 at the time). Look at the headlines fer Chrissakes, it’s clearly designed to make AA voters question Sanders’ civil rights record, which is absurd given the facts. such things don’t happen by accident.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
At least he used the instaban word. I’m assuming John just hasn’t gotten caught up on comments yet.
Cacti
Many thanks to the Sanders revolutionaries, going to the ramparts to put John Lewis in his place.
I’m sure the black community will turn on his counter-revolutionary ass any moment now. ;-)
sparrow
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: what’s happening is unacceptable, but also predictable. If you have millions of supporters in the era of twitter, how do you keep the idiots away? What is Sanders supposed to do here, honestly?
MomSense
@Marc:
Oh FFS. I think the white dudes who are saying vile things to POC don’t care what a middle aged woman has to say on a random blog.
different-church-lady
@Mike with a mic: Comment needs more Pol Pot.
Kay
@MomSense:
I don’t think Sanders is “the bigger problem” in anything because I think Clinton will be the nominee. I’m not convinced there’s a “Sanders Revolution” but I think they have the perfect right to try to start one.
It doesn’t matter that much. If she wins no one will care that she felt she was at a disadvantage with white voters (or something!) versus Bernie Sanders but I have just never heard any candidate make this argument before in a Dem primary, including Obama, who is black :)
A Ghost To Most
@Elie:
Not just POC; many of us whitey whites consider him the best president since FDR.
That one is hard to forget.
sparrow
@sparrow: Shorter: this is basically swift-boating.
Mnemosyne
@sparrow:
Yes, let’s all tell a guy who got the shit beaten out of him on the fucking Edmund Pettis Bridge that Bernie is the *real* civil rights hero, not him.
Jesus fuck.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
@Mnemosyne: He’s putting bandaids on the new bald spots he gave himself over some grade B, cookie-cutter political spin.
Technocrat
@MomSense:
Yeah, that’s a head-scratcher. What’s worse is that GOP turnout was at record highs.
TooTall
I am thinking about Claire McCaskill, helping to pick the Repug candidate that she thought would be the worst of the bunch, and she beat him in the general election. Fast forward to present day. I have heard a lot about how Trump seems the Most Likely to fail against either potential Demo candidate.
I live in Tennessee, and Early Voting has started. In Tenn, you can vote in either primary, but not both. Is the best use of my vote to vote for the Repug candidate that will most likely fail against a Demo candidate? Thoughts?
jl
The big feuds of small differences.
different-church-lady
@sparrow: “BERNIE: CHOICE OF TWITIOTS!”
Gvg
Cole, please mellow some? That piece strikes me as shock jock. It’s written to get clicks and I am sure by no friend to Democrats. Sigh….
I bet he writes nasty things about Sanders too.
Cacti
@sparrow:
Bernie’s riding the tiger he created.
When you run on a message of everyone being corrupt but you, you don’t get to play “who me” when the tiger lashes out at anyone who disagrees.
WaterGirl
@Steve from Antioch: I believe that using that word on BJ is something that can get you banned.
Steve from Antioch
@Omnes Omnibus: @Omnes Omnibus:
I see my point sailed right over your microencaphalic head as usual.
Disparaging one candidates supporters while calling for high minded civility isn’t really persuasion ve.
Mike with a mic
@kay
The issue is she won’t win. She will give us 8 years of president Trump or Cruz, republican Supreme Court, prove to young people that the democrats are more crooked even if they are socially liberal, and tie team D to a CGI scandal.
And we will deserve republican rule for a generation after.
mike in dc
The Lewis comment did seem like a gratuitous shot. It was pointed out that he didn’t become aware of Bill Clinton until the 70s, and someone above pointed out how unlikely it was he saw Hillary in the 60s.
Steve from Antioch
@WaterGirl: I would edit it if I could so as not to disturb delicate sensitivities, but the point of the post is explained above.
chopper
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
yes, but reducing income inequality would have meant he could have afforded a bigger bag of skittles.
Kay
Fight for Fifteen protesters crashed the (media) filing center at the debate :)
MomSense
@sparrow:
So if John Lewis says something people don’t agree with, it is ok to denigrate and demean a person who literally put his life on the line in non-violent organizing for civil rights? We all owe him so much better then that.
Elie
@Steve from Antioch:
Whats with the scum language? Are you a scum?
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
The Balloon Juice Bernie Caucus
Steve from Antioch
@sparrow: exactly
Cacti
If you think you’re part of a revolution because you waved a “Feel the Bern” sign around…
But a man who was arrested, beaten, and had his life threatened for civil rights, is part of some nebulous establishment that’s the source of all that’s bad and wrong…
Do yourself a favor.
Sit down, smile politely, and STFU.
chopper
@MomSense:
yes it is. as i said in another thread, bernie needs to take a good hard look at obama’s 2008 campaign and not just the superficial side of it, but the guts of it. it was a massive endeavor. calling for a ‘revolution’ isn’t a replacement for an effective ground game.
Mnemosyne
@Steve from Antioch:
Yes, because “bro” is a horrible misandrist slur.
White dudes are seriously the whiniest fragile flowers on the planet. OMG, someone called me a “bro”! I have never heard such foul language in all my born days! Bring my fainting couch before someone says “darn” in front of me!
sparrow
@Mnemosyne: Again, I have huge respect for Lewis’ own record. But what was done here was deliberate, and made the headlines exactly as intended.
goblue72
@Jim, Foolish LIteralist: Your’re a moron – http://www.massholesports.com/2011/12/awesome-or-retarded.html
Or possibly just completely unfamiliar with Massachusetts colloquialisms.
gwangung
@sparrow: Just like Gamergate, right?
And how’s the Gamergate brand doing?
If nothing else, the ratf**king potential should be worrisome.
MomSense
@Kay:
Sanders over promising is a big problem. It speaks right to the central argument of his campaign.
Elie
@sparrow:
You and your Bernistas are somehow thinking you can win the nomination by dissing the sitting black President AND key senior leaders of the black civil rights movement? That is your path to success? Why would Bernie and his team even think that way? It just doesn’t add up to what they want to accomplish but okay, go for it and see what happens.
Bob In Portland
@MomSense: “Bernie bros” and not “Obama boys” (the term used by the Clinton campaign in 2008)? Lewis endorsed Hillary in 2008 over Obama. When Obama kicked butt in the South he then switched to Obama. In October last year Lewis endorsed Hillary. Today he again endorsed Hillary, this time using the CBCPAC as his official platform (not to be confused with the CBC).
In dissing Sanders, Lewis said that he never saw Sanders at any civil rights march, but he saw Bill and Hill.
Unfortunately, there is a picture of Lewis marching with Dr. King. Three heads behind MLK is Bernie Sanders. Also, Bill and Hill weren’t there. Hillary was a Goldwater Girl at the time and Bill was chasing skirts somewhere.
In endorsing Clinton Lewis unfortunately proved the worth of his endorsement.
Elie
@Mnemosyne:
LOL — right on
different-church-lady
@Cacti: The smiling part is optional.
Kay
@Mike with a mic:
I don’t know who will win. I said for months here she was strong with a lot of Democrats, had resilient support, but I’m starting to doubt it with all this parsing of demographic numbers that doesn’t make any sense :)
In each primary there are 100% of voters. I’m baffled why she can have an advantage with 20% going in and still be at a disadvantage with an even shot at half of 80% to get to 51%.
Taylor
@Gimlet:
Jeff Bezos is pissed that the FAA is getting in the way of him using drones for delivery.
Jim, Foolish LIteralist
@goblue72: Or the relative and friend of a number of people with developmental disabilities, you despicable little clown. Take your Wikipedia and shove it up your make-believe, middle-management, “radical” ass you vile little piece of shit.
Cacti
@sparrow:
Good thing Bernie’s internet howler monkey army didn’t react in a completely predictable manner.
Bob In Portland
@Elie: No complaints about Obama?
And complaints about Lewis are pretty much about his lack of accuracy.
chopper
i love the idea of sanders supporters taking on black twitter. that’s just epic in its fail.
lamh36
@MomSense: Right…I’m no Bernie fan, but neither am I all up on Clinton…so I may not full fledge agree with John Lewis’s choice of candidate, but I’ll be damned if you will demean or disrespect that man who damn near left his brains on the bridge for civil rights…and unlike some folks went into pubic service to try to inact even more change…
Hell, Harry Belafonte endorsed Bernie Sanders, of which, I don’t agree with his choice either…but I sure as hell aint’ going around bashing Harry Belafontes or suggesting he’s “swift boating” the other candidate.
Fuck that noise.
WaterGirl
@Steve from Antioch: “… so as not to disturb delicate sensitivities”
You insult me as you respond to my comment about using an offensive word. Keep digging.
gwangung
Unfortunately, you’re wrong.
Try again (you amuse with your failures).
Technocrat
@gwangung:
Ugh. I deeply respect my 19-year old’s political persona, but the most heated argument we ever had was over the value of twitter activism.
Cacti
@Bob In Portland:
Bob old bean, the above is a zombie lie from an enthusiastic Sanders fan.
The person in that photo is Bruce Rappaport.
There’s even a Snopes entry now on the supposed “Bernie/MLK photo”.
Tegdirb
@Bob In Portland:
A few of those pics floating around are fakes – which one are you talking about?
George Hayduke
@MomSense:
Do a google image search for the two, then re look at his statement.
@Corner Stone:
The Honorable Rep. Keith Ellison will address that BS for you.
Gimlet
@Taylor:
Privatize the highways. Toll roads next rather than spend on infrastructure.
sparrow
Ok, let’s pretend we’re a low-information voter who has only heard of Sanders after he won New Hampshire. Then, you start seeing the following headlines:
“John Lewis: ‘I never saw’ Sanders at civil rights events” – CNNPolitics.com
“I ‘Never Saw’ Bernie Sanders During Civil Rights Era” – NBCNews.com
“John Lewis on Sanders’ civil rights work: ‘Never saw him'” – PBS NewsHour
“John Lewis Takes a Swipe at Bernie Sanders’ Civil Rights Record” – Mediaite
“Civil Rights Hero John Lewis Isn’t Impressed By Bernie Sanders” — HuffingtonPost
*************
I am in no way defending this morons and racists on twitter. But those comments were intentionally misleading.
different-church-lady
People, people, people…. we’re missing a highly significant development: Bob In Portland made a comment that had nothing at all to do with Russia!
Bob In Portland
@Cacti: You’ve seen the picture of Sanders, Lewis and MLK marching together, right?
So is Lewis’ endorsement a confession of his bad memory or a confession of the $2500 he got from Walmarts?
Steve from Antioch
@WaterGirl: have a warm cup of tea.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
The reason why the Clinton campaign does this is because even though they’re currently leading in delegates and will win 16-18 of the next 20 contests between now and March 8th everyone is talking about how bad they’re doing and how everyone loves Bernie, especially the young voters, who are the most important voters in the world, ever.
It’s enough to make you go crazy and do stupid shit because nothing makes sense. Of 22 primaries and caucuses Sanders will be lucky to win 5 and those will be the only primaries that count to the media. New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine will matter more than every other state because those are the states Hillary will lose.
It’s mind bottling!
different-church-lady
@sparrow:
Okay.
[PRETENDS]
“Who the hell is John Lewis?”
Cacti
@Bob In Portland:
Bob-o, there is no photo of Bernie and MLK marching together. It’s a fiction.
Sanders himself has never even suggested the above. Again, zombie lie from enthusiastic fans.
You got suckered.
Kay
@MomSense:
I don;’t have any problem at all with Clinton hitting Sanders on AA support. I think it’s fair game and people too often object when she fights back in ways they don’t with other candidates. I was almost glad to see it. He has been hammering her on campaign finance and I was waiting for her to come back with something.
WaterGirl
@Steve from Antioch: I’m trying to think of a polite way to say fuck you.
MomSense
@lamh36:
I’m a reluctant Clinton supporter not because she is my preferred candidate but because we have to preserve the gains we have made and Sanders has been a yoooge disappointment (in my opinion) for many reasons. Harry Belafonte, Nina Turner, my mom, and my dad have all decided to support Sanders. I don’t lob horrible, disrespectful comments at them. Certainly John Lewis doesn’t merit disrespectful treatment from anyone.
sparrow
@MomSense: I never even remotely suggested that I supporter the twitter morons. They are despicable and idiots and I sure as hell wish they were Trump voters, but they’re not, and I don’t control that.
Corner Stone
@George Hayduke: See my #64.
Weaselone
@Cacti:
He didn’t get suckered, he’s just lying.
Steve from Antioch
@sparrow: wait are you implying that somebody who did some admirable, even heroic things in the past could now do something that is scummy and dishonest?
But that’s impossible.
jl
@Gvg: Ralston is local NV journalist of the type whose brand is crusty iconoclastic centrist. His main targets have been NV GOPers who have caused the state problems and their ties to businesses he says is runing NV politics. He hates Adelson’s guts, but he thinks himself the watchdog of the NV Reid machine and has made noises about writing an expose of the ‘Reid machine’ (I heard that was supposed to be the title, but it never materialized).
He’ll go after anybody to make a splash. That is his living.
Corner Stone
@MomSense: Nina Turner is one I am like “wtf”?
Steve from Antioch
@WaterGirl: @WaterGirl: describe what your wearing first.
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
I decided not to bother trying to explain why that was misogynist because he probably knows and meant it.
Gin & Tonic
@Bob In Portland: This photo?
sparrow
@gwangung: I’m a 30-something year old woman, and I’ve never played a computer game in my life, unless you count solitaire.
But don’t let me distract you from your convenient preconceived notions.
MomSense
@Corner Stone:
TRADE! It is the issue in Ohio. That is my hunch anyway but my Mom told me the same thing and I think she went to an event with Turner recently.
Elie
@MomSense:
I am with you. HIllary is definitely not a perfect candidate but I am tremendously disappointed in Sanders and the tone he has set about bridging from the work Obama started. Please, I do not understand the Sanders approach….and his approach leaves his side open to the disproportionate impact of rat fuckers from the Republicans. They would LOVE Sanders to be the nominee.
PS — I DO wish Hillary was in touch more with her own heart and the people. She just misses it and after so many tries, I have to think its a permanent trait.
Cacti
For Bob-o:
Here’s some more amazing photos of Bernie during pivotal historical moments…
Here he is sitting behind Rosa Parks on a Birmingham bus.
Here he is again, marching with the suffragettes in 1912.
sparrow
@different-church-lady: I’m pretty sure “civil rights-era hero” is enough in this case.
“You can’t make a [clintonbot] understand something when [their entire reality] depends on not understanding it.”
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
There’s your problem.
Renie
@WaterGirl: and I hope he gets banned for using it. Where’s the ban hammer.
different-church-lady
@sparrow: You appear to not even understand the parameters of your own thought experiment.
jl
I got NV kin who knows a guy who knows Ralston. I’ll pass the word. The old guy will piss himself with joy. Lost his TV show awhile back and I guess best he can do now is cause uproars on blogs.
Redshift
@sparrow:
No, you just led by excusing their behavior, insisting that Clinton somehow made them do it:
kc
Here’s Joan Fuckin Walsh sneering at a black Sanders supporter on Twitter, but yeah. Berniebros.
Original Lee
This is what drives me crazy about Hillary. She appears to value loyalty above all else in her advisors, so whenever debate ensues within the campaign organization, it looks to me as if she goes with the deep thoughts of The Most Loyal One at the moment, apparently especially if they directly contradict prior plans and policies. How can someone with so much going for her let herself continually be torpedoed by her alleged friends?
sparrow
@different-church-lady: You seriously think that those headlines are just coincidental noise that will no-how in no way affect how anyone will view Sanders? REALLY?
You could try to argue it was accidental and I might believe you, but this is just ridiculous.
Bob In Portland
@different-church-lady: On July 22, 2014 on “Meet The Press” SOS Kerry said that the US had absolute proof of the exact location where the BUK missile that knocked out MH17 was fired from. So far the US has not turned over this evidence to anyone, including the Dutch investigation.
The idea of the Russians or the rebels shooting down the airliner has generated reams of negative propaganda. It has been the basis for a number political actions against Russia. It took Americans years to figure out that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a staged event to justify the increase in the Vietnam War. Judith Miller of the NYTimes lied to Americans about WMDs, which was used as justification for the invasion of Iraq. I recognized the same patterns in the MH17 story as the past lies from such examples as I’ve offered.
It’s been about a year and a half now since Kerry claimed to have evidence. We live in a society where we accept the government lying to us. I demand proof. different-church-lady, you can choose your level of proof for moving us into this new Cold War.
kc
@Bob In Portland:
Fyi, that isn’t Sanders in that pic; his own campaign said so.
A Ghost To Most
@Cacti:
Bob’s heart doesn’t seem in it anymore. He’s mailing it in.
gwangung
@sparrow: Well, I don’t know where you’re going with that, but I obviously didn’t land the parallel.
Gamergate unleashed some atrocious abuse of women and POCs in the gaming world. I am not sure how much of it was actually inherent in the movement, but I am sure there were a fair number (and I could believe a majority) that were pure in their intent. But a failure to reign in the misogynists and racists has made the brand toxic.
Failure to police the brand has consequences in meat space, and it has consequences in cyberspace, as well. , the potential for ratf**ckery is kinda obvious. I don’t think you can turn a blind eye to it.
sparrow
@Redshift: That was not an excuse. I legitimately thought it was a brilliant, if totally underhand, tactic by the Clinton campaign.
different-church-lady
@sparrow: No, I seriously think a low information voter wouldn’t know who John Lewis was.
And I suspect roughly half of them would have a better opinion of Bernie once they found out John Lewis was black.
You asked me to imagine what a low-information voter would think, and I complied.
Cacti
@kc:
BIP is a Kremlin-bot. Not joking.
No matter the topic, his posts will always somehow circle around to Russia being the victim of U.S. something or other.
See the post above yours.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: Knock it off, Doug J.
MomSense
@sparrow:
They were meant to affect how voters view Sanders. That is precisely the point of endorsements.
Renie
@Cacti: my family is wondering why i’m laughing; your comments are perfect
Corner Stone
@MomSense: I considered TRADE but it seems somehow a different thing.
sparrow
@gwangung: Ok, yes, sorry. I thought you were accusing me of being a gamergater, and that was, um, rather wide of the mark.
But yes, I agree with you entirely. I actually think the twitter morons on display here are one of Bernie’s biggest weaknesses. And I do think this latest ploy by Clinton was at least tactically brilliant, if a bit low on the ethics scale.
But I have seen no evidence whatsoever that Bernie intentionally cultivates these moronic followers. If I thought for a second he did, I wouldn’t be supporting him.
sparrow
@MomSense: Yes, but with a smear that implies Sanders is a liar? You don’t think that’s going a little far?
Disgruntled former Baud supporter
@jl: The stakes are high, I agree. But if there’s one thing I think we can all agree on, it’s that we can’t afford to go with Baud this year.
magurakurin
@mike in dc:
Oh, I’ll play. The Congressional Black Caucus has 46 members: 2 Senators (one, Tim Scott is a Republican); 44 Members of the House; and 2 non-voting members. Of them 1, Keith Ellison, has endorsed Bernie Sanders. Of the remaining 36 have already endorsed Clinton. That leaves 9. Tim Scott is probably not going to endorse her. Mia Love in Utah and William Hurd in Texas are Republicans. Jim Clyburn is trying to decide if he should endorse her before or after South Carolina, but he actually gave his blessing to the CBC PAC’s decision to endorse her just the other day. That leaves 6 who have yet to endorse. The Sanders people calling foul on this look like spoiled little children.
Senate
Senator Party State
Cory Booker Democratic New Jersey ENDORSED CLINTON
Tim Scott Republican South Carolina
House
Representative Party State – Congressional District
Alma Adams Democratic North Carolina – 12th ENDORSED CLINTON
Karen Bass Democratic California – 37th ENDORSED CLINTON
Joyce Beatty Democratic Ohio – 3rd ENDORSED CLINTON
Sanford Bishop Democratic Georgia – 2nd
Corrine Brown Democratic Florida – 5th ENDORSED CLINTON
G. K. Butterfield Democratic North Carolina – 1st ENDORSED CLINTON
André Carson Democratic Indiana – 7th ENDORSED CLINTON
Yvette Clarke Democratic New York – 9th ENDORSED CLINTON
William Lacy Clay, Jr. Democratic Missouri – 1st ENDORSED CLINTON
Emanuel Cleaver Democratic Missouri – 5th ENDORSED CLINTON
Jim Clyburn Democratic South Carolina – 6th DECIDING TO ENDORSE BEFORE OR AFTER SC
John Conyers, Jr. – Dean Democratic Michigan – 13th ENDORSED CLINTON
Elijah Cummings Democratic Maryland – 7th ENDORSED CLINTON
Danny K. Davis Democratic Illinois – 7th ENDORSED CLINTON
Donna Edwards Democratic Maryland – 4th ENDORSED CLINTON
Keith Ellison Democratic Minnesota – 5th ENDORSED SANDERS
Chaka Fattah Democratic Pennsylvania – 2nd ENDORSED CLINTON
Marcia Fudge Democratic Ohio – 11th ENDORSED CLINTON
Al Green Democratic Texas – 9th ENDORSED CLINTON
Alcee Hastings Democratic Florida – 20th ENDORSED CLINTON
Will Hurd Republican Texas – 23rd
Hakeem Jeffries Democratic New York – 8th ENDORSED CLINTON
Eddie Bernice Johnson Democratic Texas – 30th ENDORSED CLINTON
Hank Johnson Democratic Georgia – 4th ENDORSED CLINTON
Robin Kelly Democratic Illinois – 2nd ENDORSED CLINTON
Brenda Lawrence Democratic Michigan – 14th ENDORSED CLINTON
Barbara Lee Democratic California – 13th
Sheila Jackson Lee Democratic Texas – 18th
John Lewis Democratic Georgia – 5th ENDORSED CLINTON
Mia Love Republican Utah – 4th
Gregory Meeks Democratic New York – 5th ENDORSED CLINTON
Gwen Moore Democratic Wisconsin – 4th ENDORSED CLINTON
Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton Democratic District of Columbia – At-large
(non voting congressional delegate)
Donald Payne, Jr. Democratic New Jersey – 10th ENDORSED CLINTON
Delegate Stacey Plaskett Democratic U.S. Virgin Islands – At-large
(non voting congressional delegate) ENDORSED CLINTON
Charles Rangel Democratic New York – 13th ENDORSED CLINTON
Cedric Richmond Democratic Louisiana – 2nd ENDORSED CLINTON
Bobby Rush Democratic Illinois – 1st
Bobby Scott Democratic Virginia – 3rd ENDORSED CLINTON
David Scott Democratic Georgia – 13th ENDORSED CLINTON
Terri Sewell Democratic Alabama – 7th ENDORSED CLINTON
Bennie Thompson Democratic Mississippi – 2nd ENDORSED CLINTON
Marc Veasey Democratic Texas – 33rd ENDORSED CLINTON
Maxine Waters Democratic California – 35th ENDORSED CLINTON
Bonnie Watson Coleman Democratic New Jersey – 12th ENDORSED CLINTON
Frederica Wilson Democratic Florida – 24th ENDORSED CLINTON
magurakurin
@mike in dc:
Oh, I’ll play. The Congressional Black Caucus has 46 members: 2 Senators (one, Tim Scott is a Republican); 44 Members of the House; and 2 non-voting members. Of them 1, Keith Ellison, has endorsed Bernie Sanders. Of the remaining 36 have already endorsed Clinton. That leaves 9. Tim Scott is probably not going to endorse her. Mia Love in Utah and William Hurd in Texas are Republicans. Jim Clyburn is trying to decide if he should endorse her before or after South Carolina, but he actually gave his blessing to the CBC PAC’s decision to endorse her just the other day. That leaves 6 who have yet to endorse. The Sanders people calling foul on this look like spoiled little children.
sparrow
@MomSense: Ok, so next time Bernie gets an endorsement by someone who claims Hillary is a liar (let’s say, for a parallel, that they imply she’s really anti-choice even thought this is patently untrue), I’ll expect calm detachment from everyone here. Just business as usual, folks!
Marc
@Renie: I don’t use that word, but he was pretty obviously making a point about sexist language.
Bob In Portland
@Gin & Tonic: Okay, maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. But Sanders has had plenty of evidence about his participation in the civil rights movement. Lewis’ comment was absurd, and he apparently ticked off Ellison with his endorsement. Also, the endorsement from Lewis was on behalf of CBCPAC, not the CBC. And in case anyone forgot, John Lewis endorsed Clinton in early October of last year.
I marched with the Black Panthers in downtown Newark on election day 1968. I didn’t see Sanders or Lewis there.
Marc
@magurakurin: Or maybe they prefer their candidate. Radical, I know.
I honestly think that the Lewis attack on Sanders was a low blow, implying that he was a liar, and I say this as someone who’s admired him for his lifes’ work. It’s hardly surprising that young people who didn’t know his history would react badly to him calling their preferred candidate a liar on paper-thin grounds, and to use this as a weapon to attack all of them is obnoxious. The people complaining here intensely dislike Sanders, have apparent contempt for his supporters, and nothing that they could do would please them. So forgive me, perhaps, if I’m not outraged.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
They’re not “Bernie Bros”.
They’re “Future Trump Supporters”.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@magurakurin: Scott actually endorsed the Rubio-bot on the night of the Iowa caucuses.
Bob In Portland
@A Ghost To Most: I don’t want to get banned again. I was just banned from Salon for bringing up Amanda Marcotte’s ugly take on the Duke lacrosse case back in 2006, so I have to be on my best behavior.
Yes, that picture did seem too good to be true.
MomSense
@sparrow:
Disagreeing with his statement and disrespecting him are two separate issues. No matter how strongly a person disagrees with him, it does not make it ok to disrespect him.
Bob In Portland
@Cacti: Not a Kremlin bot. I’m a beer-drinking, pot-smoking federal retiree who lives with his girlfriend in Portland, Oregon, home of the future Trial of the 21st Century who marched with the Black Panthers in Newark on election day 1968.
Bob In Portland
@MomSense: When Lewis said that he didn’t see Sanders, what was he saying?
magurakurin
@Marc: The Sanders’ camp is trying to paint the CBC PAC endorsement as another example of a big, establishment political machine going against the wishes of its grass roots members. It’s fucking silly. The CBC PAC is the political arm of a group of 46 men and women. 36 of which have openly endorsed Clinton and one who surely will either before South Carolina or after. Keith Ellison is angry because he is basically alone in his endorsement of Sanders. The whining about this looks really, really bad. It doesn’t to you, great.
Whatever. Vote for who you want. We all have to vote for the eventual nominee, whoever it is, anyway. On way level none of it matters.
Feebog
@Jasmine Bleach:
Except that the Pew Research numbers don’t support that 35 percent number. Not even close. And I could not find any “exit polls” as cited in the article.
chopper
@Bob In Portland:
actually the phrase you’re looking for is “shit, I was wrong”.
redshirt
@Bob In Portland: Will you vote for Clinton if she’s the Dem nominee for President?
MomSense
@redshirt:
But if the whole institution is corrupt why participate?
? Martin
My shift from Clinton to Obama in 2008 was the realization that the idiots that were dragging her down were hired by her. I was hopeful that she had learned from that in the last 8 years. My optimism keeps sliding on that front.
Lige
I thought the same thing but then Obama hired a bunch of the same idiots so I don’t know if its that easy.
Corner Stone
@Bob In Portland:
Adopt me?
Raven Onthill
She’s the general, the captains report to her.
I wish you a leader worthy of your loyalty.
Applejinx
@Bob In Portland: You see, this is the thing.
You can’t say young women are going to hell if they don’t support Hillary, and get to have that accepted as just one of the facts going forward.
You can’t say you never saw Bernie at any civil rights march but you saw the Clintons, when there’s photo evidence of you marching with King and the same photo shows Bernie Sanders marching with you, and the Clintons are not in the picture… and have that accepted as one of the facts going forward.
You can’t DO a narrative of ‘he says he never saw Bernie at any civil rights march’ if the photo shows Bernie also in the same frame! You can’t do that narrative.
Post-truth politics sucks.
FlipYrWhig
@Applejinx: Except that there is no such picture of Bernie Sanders. See Cacti above. See Snopes on the matter.
What were you saying about “post-truth politics”?
Applejinx
@FlipYrWhig: They’re talking about a different picture of ‘Bernie’ standing talking to a civil-rights event. Because in the world, there’s more than one picture, which is why I said ‘marching’.
You see, this is the problem. You can’t simply make up shit and have it accepted as truth that’s not allowed to be questioned. It’s a dishonesty problem and it’s getting worse and from where I’m standing it looks a lot like Hillary joining the republicans in the ‘say anything’ race.
I don’t like that, and I don’t remember any of you hammering away on this talking point until you had Lewis saying something that is possibly true (because I guess if you’re making civil rights marches back then, white people joining you is not interesting at all, not worthy of notice) but seriously misleading if not outright dishonest.
The rest is just a hype machine cranking up to argue about what the definition of is, is.
Snopes says this:
FlipYrWhig
@Applejinx: No, the Snopes entry isn’t about that at all. Just follow the link, dude.
Mother Jones on Bernie Sanders and the civil rights movement.
FlipYrWhig
@Applejinx: Correct. So why are you banging on about the photographic evidence? Maybe to stoke the “hype machine”?
ETA And if your campaign and its supporters have gotten to a place where they need to question the motives of JOHN FREAKIN’ LEWIS, consider that you have lost the plot.
ETA2 Just say that Bernie Sanders was fighting like hell for the civil rights movement 50 years ago and still believes in its vision today. Why would that be so hard? Why does there have to be so much hype surrounding every damn thing he’s ever done?
Applejinx
Danny Lyon on his photographs as talked about on Snopes:
There would be no point debunking stuff that wasn’t intentional lies. As I thought, the attempt to write our guy out of history and not only claim he wasn’t there, but that he was making it up, is lies.