Here’s the live feed for Secretary Clinton’s Concession Speech. It is scheduled for 10:30 AM EST.
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Here’s the live feed for Secretary Clinton’s Concession Speech. It is scheduled for 10:30 AM EST.
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JPL
I just can’t watch. A friend tried to read to me Trump’s speech, and I made her stop. Like several people, I’m not in a healthy place.
dlm
I can’t watch this. I just can’t.
Joe Bauers
Why in the name of God would I want to watch that? To steal a line from Ricky Gervais on “Louis”, I’d rather watch my father hang himself whilst masturbating.
Mike in NC
@JPL: Trump’s speech certainly must have sounded better in the original German. We would move tomorrow if that were possible.
MomSense
I’m having a really bad stress and lack of sleep reaction. The shakes just won’t go away. I don’t know if I can even watch and she is summoning the strength to give a speech. She is a fucking badass, tough as nails woman. I don’t want to see any of the asshole fake progressives/allies show up in this thread to trash her.
I’m still processing the extent to which the media normalized violence, racism, white supremacists, and kept her under a cloud of suspicion the whole election. They kept trying to recast racism as economic insecurity. Bullshit. Also, too fuck the FBI and Comey.
Served
I live in Boystown in Chicago and the LGBT bubble that comes with it. I was at a gay bar as the results came in and people began to realize we could lose every right we’ve gained in the past 10 years. I was standing in the exact same spot where I stood when Illinois got marriage equality.
Today feels exactly like the day after the Pulse shooting.
Juju
@Mike in NC: don’t move Mike. I need you here in NC. We have to keep fighting.
adog
I am a looong time lurker but just have to post today. So devastated right now. Even if people love republicans and republican policies (for reasons I cannot comprehend, but granting that), how can they have fallen for the most obvious con man? How did this happen?
Juju
@MomSense: You know what else became normal? Not voting on a judicial nominee because you don’t like him or her.
John Cole
Why bother. It won’t be received graciously.
jonas
@adog: They don’t love Republicans or Republican policies — they just wanted to blow something up.
JPL
@adog: I don’t know.
MomSense
@Juju:
Yup. Disgraceful.
cmorenc
Clinton is past history at this point – for whatever reasons within and beyond her control, she’s a failed Presidential candidate whose influence will fade as rapidly as did Al Gore’s. Much of the progressive commentary overnight and this morning focuses on the democratic party’s need to rebuild something new and leave the Clinton era behind. Perhaps this is a shameful way to view her only 24 hours after we falsely expected her to win decisively – but it’s the truth. We need to hear someone new, nothing she can say this morning helps the progressive or democratic cause one iota.
OTOH, if Trump and prospective AG Giuliani really do try to follow through on their campaign promises to prosecute her, she could turn into a sympathetic martyr in the public eye instead of merely a jaded establishment figure.
Alain the site fixer
@adog: hate works. That’s why it’s traditionallly been seen as a tool of the devil. But our god botherers happily supported him because it feels good to hate and it feels even better being given permission or encouragement to hate.
Corner Stone
@MomSense:
She definitely is that. I plan on watching but know I will be even more sick at my stomach, if that’s possible. I just don’t want to hear her preach unity and healing and coming together and working with Trump and etc and bullshit.
I want her to shoot the double middle finger, look into the camera and say, “You wanted this? You got this.” And walk off.
jharp
Can’t watch.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
Americans are the dumbest fucking people on the planet,
adog
@jonas: Sure, but with *HIM* I mean, any other kind of dynamite, I could somehow understand. But the billionaire con-man who everyone (including his supporters) acknowledges lies about *everything*? I just don’t understand.
Again, I think I can (try to, at least) understand being a republican. And I can certainly understand the impulse to want to blow stuff up. I just can’t understand how any rational being could see the trump shit-circus and think to him/herself “yeah, that. I want more of that.”
Still in shock.
gogol's wife
@Corner Stone:
If I thought that’s what she’d do, I’d watch. Not likely, though.
dexwood
@adog:
ameriKKKa. Sexist, racist, fascist.
Going for a long bike ride. Fuck Trump and his voters.
cmorenc
@Served:
Marriage equality is going to be lots harder to overturn than the GOP cultural conservatives think – if only because Scalia was still alive and ON the court in the minority when the court voted in favor of marriage equality, and Justice Kennedy IS still alive and so are the other four members of that majority. So it’s not going to go away unless and until Trump gets to appoint a replacement for one of the four relatively more progressive members of the court or else Kennedy – in other words, not for at least 2-3 years, and probably not unless Trump wins reelection.
Wapiti
@Served: I think the core Republicans would like to take the country back to the start of Reagan. But I think it will be somewhat tempered by the mainsteaming of LGBT in that past years, so 10 years might be right.
For example, I don’t see how they easily unwind gays in the military. They’re there, their comrades are generally fine with it. Removing them from the service would at a minimum require severance pay or retirement. I do see states being able to enact hate laws under Trumps SC.
JPL
@cmorenc: The prosecution of Clinton will never happen. There is nothing to prosecute her for, That was just one of his many lies.
wonkie
Although nativism is a big part of Trump’s support there are some other factors.
Republican party leaders years ago–among them DeLay and Rove–decided to end representative democracy and make the US into a one-party state in service of the oligarchy. Their means: gerrymander Congressional districts, voter suppression laws, pack the courts with rightwing extremist judges, get the Citizens United decision, and create an alternative “news” media that functions in the US the way Goebbels
functioned for Germans.
They have succeeded. They will get to make Supreme Court appointments and they will appoint judges in the Scalia model, so there will be no recourse for people who are blocked from voting.
We will continue ot have elections and they may even make a difference at the local level. Some states will continue to have decent responsible government uniil the koch brothers do to them what they did to Wisconsin. But basically our experiment in representative government is over.
That’s what we lost in this election. On Balloon Juice there ‘s a lot of talk about hwo is to blame, but to me that is obvious: the voters who voted for Trump. There’s also a lot of talk about how racist or nativist or mysoguynisit those voters are and many of them are those things but Ithin the biggest common denominator is taht they are poor citizens. They failed in teh prmary responsibility of citizenship. They failed to know what they were voting for.
gogol's wife
@JPL:
I hope you’re right. I would see that as the first sign that we’re getting real fascism/Putinism.
Skippy-san
Welcome to January 1933. I travel a lot to Israel.One of the great things about my work in Israel, is that I have come to experience the reality of why Israel came to exist. And how the founding fathers of Israel came to the realization how they had to establish a Jewish State because the rest of the world would not accomodate them. Well, I see that happening now for those of us who believe in liberal democracy. Instead they made Aliayh.
So. Now it’s time to make some decisions.
Unlike many of you, I recognize Trump as the dangerous thug that he is. And now I have to deal with that reality. I had thought the American people were smarter than this. Turns out they were not. They were stupid and selfish.
gogol's wife
@wonkie:
Excellent analysis.
coredump
Long time lurker. Delurking to note that this was a country that I came into as a starry eyed immigrant, worked through the legal process and became a citizen. I worked on ’08 Obama campaign whilst still not a citizen and was pinching myself with disbelief when I had voted for Obama as my first presidential vote in 2012. Yesterday, after the results came in, I felt exactly like Schrodinger’s cat felt – I am homeless and unwanted again.
schrodinger's cat
Hillary hating leftier than thou trolls have been out in full force since last night, to kick us in our teeth again and again.
mai naem mobile
My mom talked to my uncle in the UK. He’s comparing Trumpy to former Ugandan President Idi Amin who wholesale kicked the South Asians out of Uganda. Good lord.
James K. Polk, Esq.
On the bright side:
She could have been conceding to Ted Fuckin’ Cruz….
GrandJury
@adog: I agree with you. A little less than half of American voters agree with you.
But…idocracy won.
Bobby D
All this “we’ll get through it” rhetoric is not comforting. I work for a branch of the military, w/15yrs of civil service behind me, and am surrounded right now by gloating idiots, both in and out of uniform, who just wanted to watch the institutions burn. Too god@!#% stupid to understand the actual roots of their problems and discontent. And now they feel emboldened to spray their racist white misogyny in public. Already told one loudmouth to stfu and suspect it’s going to be a long day.
cmorenc
@JPL:
But they’ll at least have to make a genuine-appearing head fake towards prosecuting her – I can see Trump’s AG pursuing the matter independently of Comey and Chaffetz pursuing more investigations for awhile – with both efforts petering out after making enough threatening noises and gestures to feed red meat to the GOP base long enough for their attention to be refocused elsewhere.
Kropadope
@MomSense:
I’m still processing the extent to which partisan Democrats thought this wouldn’t be an issue.
Hal
Fucking Trumpsters on my Facebook page already with the “let’s come together and support this president! End the hostility.” One friend complained about how mean and nasty people were being because of Trump’s win. I mean, what kind of brain damage to you have to cast a vote for the most hostile, bigoted, unqualified candidate in history and then complain about how mean everyone is being? Really?!
MomSense
@Corner Stone:
I can’t imagine what she is going through. I guarantee you that none of the whiny complainers would have put themselves up against an opposition that told her he would put her in jail when elected. Think about that. They lead crowds in cheers of lock her up day after day. She kept her dignity throughout. She had to go against the Republicans, the media, the FBI, the FSB, Putin, Wikileaks, Assange, and far too many people on the left that should have had her back.
jl
Thanks for posting this. I’ll watch it when I can bear to. Couldn’t listen to the news before the election, it was too irresponsible and disturbing. Now I can’t even bear to turn it on. I need some down time. As Bernie mega-donor and worker, and then worked for HRC, I am not happy and need some downtime.
Human costs of this mess could be enormous. We need to hope for the best. Downturn in economic activity is the surest and quickest way to reduce carbon emissions, no matter how insane T and GOP energy and environmental policy is. That is the only silver lining I could think of. But wasn’t enough to cheer me up. Human costs could be enormous.
Couldn’t listen to T’s talk either last night.
San
Took my first grader to school today. Told her to not talk to anyone about the election. (She really wanted a girl president and she knows we don’t like Trump). Why keep quiet? Well, because I just can’t be sure who there might start taunting her. I went through that with my other kid – when she said we were for Obama, she got Babykiller yelled at her.
FUCKIN WISCONSIN.
MomSense
@Kropadope:
And you think it is our fault the media completely failed to do their fucking job?
adog
@Hal: So glad I am one of those weirdos who is not on facebook. That would push me closer to the edge.
Patricia Kayden
@adog: It’s unbelievable. What I find particularly sad is all the real people who will be damaged by a Trump Presidency. I can’t see any upside to last nights election but I guess we must soldier on.
schrodinger's cat
@mai naem mobile: Unlike Adi Amin’s case the world is going to burn.
JPL
@cmorenc: He’ll do it as a way to unify the country, and take credit. I wish that he
would so we could see the word by the c. Many of us know the word drone, is considered classified, but maybe it’s time for the public to find out.
Kropadope
@MomSense: No, but I damn sure think it’s your fault for not considering how that would turn out.
NobodySpecial
They’ll make a token attempt to be generous now that they’ve buried her. Fuckit, I got no need to see this. I got plans to divorce myself from the red state economy to work on instead.
GrandJury
@Skippy-san: You are not wrong. These feelings you talk about were exactly how many people felt when Hitler first got into power. The smart ones started leaving around that time.
My opinion is that Trump is not smart enough to do what Hitler did. He doesn’t have the leadership and organizational skills.
Emerald
@JPL:
Oh, the FBI will help him there. They don’t need evidence, just right-wing CT.
Served
@cmorenc:
This is true. And a lot of the agony today is from seeing a Vice President who advocates electrocuting us until we’re straight, and yet another stark national reminder that people hate us simply for being LGBT. It’s a reality that we live with on a low hum all the time, and then something visceral like this or Pulse drags it to the front of our minds and blocks everything out.
SiubhanDuinne
Obama is scheduled to speak at 12:15 this afternoon. That will also be excruciatingly hard to watch. But watch it I will.
Corner Stone
@wonkie:
They knew all they needed to know. They voted for the man who made the illegitimate black fake in the WH show his papers.
Patricia Kayden
I’m hearing some on the Left pushing for the Democrats to filibuster Republicans in the Senate. I assume Republicans will simply eliminate the filibuster on their first day back in session. Hoping that somehow Democrats can at least slow down Trump’s agenda.
EZSmirkzz
OK kids, pick yourselves up. dust yourselves off, and start all over again.
Like every train wreck it will take weeks to figure out just what went wrong for the D’s, and what went right for the R’s. Four years after McGovern, Carter won.
I would suggest that everyone widen themselves out. Learn a little tolerance for each other, especially those outside our own narrow interest groups. Pride comes before the fall, and while arrogance has certainly been an attribute of the Democratic elites it wouldn’t hurt for the interest groups to do a little soul searching as well. What strikes me is how joyless the progressive movement is, and has been. We can be right without being self righteous, and if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery I wouldn’t flatter the rightwing nuts in speech or behavior.
In the meantime hold your heads up, we’ll survive this thumping too.
(Now seriously, I’m out of here. I mean it this time. No really.)
On the other hand now it’s our turn with the black helicopters.
JPL
@coredump: My son works with a few people from India, who are here on a green card. He’s devastated, and his coworkers are fearful for their future in our country.
MomSense
@Kropadope:
You do realize that your candidate stoked the same bullshit white working class resentment? Ever bother to count how many Bernista memes der Trump appropriated?
Cermet
@wonkie: Yes, when demorats out number the opposition, and lose the election its because the opponent did a dirty trick by having their supporters vote. Not Hillary’s fault – damn thugs, they went out and voted. Yep …that’s who is to blame. LOLOLOLOLOL.
it was Hillary’s fucking job to win – get out dem’s in mass. She didn’t, we lost – that is the person most responsible – your candidate – period. Until dems accept why they lost – please, just because they got more votes is just a stupid, obvious statement – we lost because our people didn’t support their own candidate . Why? Could be a lot of reasons but they all point to Hillary; fact.
PeakVT
@Patricia Kayden: I don’t think the Dems should filibuster. Let the Repukes get what they want, and make them own it. Its pointless anyway since the Repukes would simply nuke the filibuster. The Dems should have done that pre-emptively years ago, but there were too many old-timers more loyal to the institution of the Senate than to their voters for that to happen.
GrandJury
@Corner Stone: There were a lot of different reasons. Obama approvals are sky high right now so turning out people to vote against him was not a major factor imo.
SiubhanDuinne
Heh. The band music they’re playing right now is Colonel Bogey, which I have never been able too hear without the words “Hitler has only got one ball….”
I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
I blame Republicans, always have, always will. They’ve played this country like a Stradivarius, they’re always closing. You have to admire their willingness to never deviate from their goal of destroying the New Deal 80 years after its inception. They’ve played the long game and they’ve won. Does it make it any worse that Trump won vs. one of the other Republican candidates? The results will be the same domestically. Wish I could be optimistic but I’m not. Can’t wait for the Debt Ceiling and Default, woohoo!
adog
@Patricia Kayden: The only silver lining I see is this. At long last, hopefully Americans can have some clarity about who is in charge.
I moved to Canada in 2005, and have been here (an expat US citizen) since. I have marveled at how parliamentary democracy here works. Nearly always, one party is in complete control. Love them or hate them, there is no question about who is pulling the levers of government. This is a far, far better for voters who do not have time to pay much attention. It is easy for all voters (paying attention or not) to decide if they want to vote for more of the same or a change.
It seems to me that our poor, confused American electorate cannot (by and large) figure out who is in charge of our divided government. Like the tea-partiers who chanted “keep the government out of my medicare”, they just don’t know who to reward or punish. That’s my take, anyway.
I still don’t understand how anyone, in any mindset, could think that Trump was the answer.
negative 1
On the other hand I work for organized labor, so, uh, yeah I’m pretty much fucked. At least anyone who works in the alternative energy sector will be there to chat with on the unemployment lines.
Kryptik
I honestly just don’t know what the path forward here is? GOP essentially owns the entire country lock, stock, and barrel at this point, and they’re damn well going to use all the power they have to entrench it and fuck everyone who isn’t white and conservative. How do you fight that? They’re going to create shit that will take a generation, at the minimum, to undo, and that’s with concerted effort. What can you do when the country just screamed in your face ‘NO! NO! HATE YOU ALL, GET OUT, HATE YOU ALL!!’?
negative 1
@JPL: Why? Do they actually want to stay at this point? I’m not sure many of us do, really.
Corner Stone
@San:
My son’s class is full of children of Trump supporters and they have been mindlessly repeating BS their parents say to him in class. I asked him if he wanted to stay home today but he chose to go. I’m not sure he’s going to make it all day and I told him to call me if he wanted to come home.
Elizabelle
Today feels like the aftermath of an assassination. Although all the faces in government will change too. Supreme Court.
Dark, dark day.
Cannot imagine the strength it will take Hillary and Bill, and the Obamas and everyone else, to get through it.
We just elected ourselves our very own Berlusconi. With nukes. And less impulse control.
The Dangerman
So, any early guesses on 2020 possibilities? Baud, a nation turns it’s lonely eyes to you.
bemused
In this day after autopsies, I just don’t think it would have mattered much who the Dem candidate was, not with Trump viciously attacking not just Dems but Republicans and GOP. That’s what they wanted. Republicans who have voted for Trump would not have been anywhere near as enthusiastic about any other Republican candidate. They just wanted them all wiped out.
bluefoot
@GrandJury: That’s pretty much my only comfort right now – Trump isn’t competent enough to be Hitler. But already in the last 12 hours, people have been shouting racist bullshit at me, my young nieces and nephews (all between 3 and 16 years old), and other people I know. Even if Trump’s administration isn’t competent, thing are already getting worse. This election has validated hate, and I don’t know how we go back from that.
lamh36
Can any of you imagine how it feels to be around people who you know have voted for that bigot?
The same folks who have looked at my two nieces and talked about how cute they were and feeling that underneath all that they are perfectly fine smiling in my fuqn face while at home they are just happy as rain with the bullshit racism they came from him?
Smh…it’s damn hard. i honestly don’t want to even look at these people
Kropadope
@MomSense: I wasn’t too crazy about Bernie either, but working class resentments are real. People are out there struggling to get by and Washington isn’t doing much. Pretty much the entire Democratic party stood aside for Hillary Clinton and this is where it got us. Own it.
Cermet
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Thugs have NEVER seen debt that isn’t wonderful when they control all branches of government and the elite need their investments to pay out. When they create runaway debt you will not hear anyone thug complain and the media – corporation owned and operated – will fall in line. Oh, and taxes – never seen a tax they wouldn’t raise – indirectly – on the poor through fee’s and sales taxes that they didn’t love; cut taxes on the rich only. No, the debt ceiling will fly high, as will the long term debt and all we will hear are crickets …
PeakVT
@Kryptik: The path forward is state-level races in 2020. The how of winning those is eluding me at this moment, unfortunately.
Cermet
@bemused:Your guess is just as ill informed and baseless as anyone saying the opposite; net result – useless either way. Only point that matters is Hillary lost and it was and remains her responsibility.
Adam L Silverman
@John Cole: Because America is an ideal, a set of ideas, that don’t belong to any of us specifically, but that we all hold in trust for each other. If we give up on the ideal, if we refuse to continue to fight for it, then we have no reason to hold the line. Now is the time to hold that line. Now is the time to dig in and, amazingly enough be conservative – conserve and preserve as much of the status quo as possible. To stand and yell stop! We do this by holding everyone’s feet to the fire regarding that ideal. Ideas can’t be killed. Signals can’t be stopped. Unless we stop believing in them and transmitting them.
The Dangerman
I still don’t get how a minority Party (there are more registered D’s than R’s) can have ~20% of that Party scream “Never” (and where the fuck do they go after this?) and still pull out a win. How does that happen?
wonkie
@Corner Stone: I think you are right for lots of them. But many also thought they were voting for jobs or for the restoration of the middle class. They think that they can get ahead by putting other people down. They did not think they were voting to gut the New Deal, lose their health insurance, under cut unions, lose more jobs, lose more opportunity, turn the whole fucking nation into Alabama.
And the sad thing is that even when their choice to vote Republican causes them direct harm, they will stil vote Republican. After all Alabama does it over and over and over. Wisconsin re-elected Scott walker. Rove is a very smart man. He knew that the most people are not competent voters. He understood that appeals to the baser instincts combined with a disinformation campaign…he understood Orwell.
Cermet
@lamh36: No and that is part of the issue we dems have utterly failed to get across to our own base.
MomSense
@lamh36:
Unfortunately I am living it.
Corner Stone
@adog:
And you honestly think they will collectively hold Republicans to account for what is coming? No F’ng way. It’s still going to be liberals as goats. Just watch. The first time D’s in the Senate do not go along with the program we are going to hear the media interview R pols who straight faced tell us allllll about the obstructionist liberal Democrat party.
“And we’ll have to leave it there”
Humboldtblue
Voter turnout in California was well below 50% and in Humboldt County it was only 42%. Those are absurd numbers.
In 2012 those numbers were 72% statewide and 71% locally. Extrapolate across the country and there lies the loss, Clinton couldn’t get Dems to the polls.
raven
@Adam L Silverman: Well said.
fuckwit
@JPL: @Elizabelle: Si, stamattina abbiamo uno proprio Berlusconi americano, ciuco che è.
Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap
@Humboldtblue: I read the vote totals on both sides were lower than 2012.
Adam L Silverman
@raven: I’m working something up for the front page. That’s part of it.
Alexander Gangaware
Longtime lurker (sorry if that’s rude).
Can’t sleep, for no lack of trying. We need ideas for moving forward. Grief has its place, but we need hope, and hope needs a plant, at least for the short term.
Elizabeth Warren for SML. At the very least, some TPP foe. Schumer is too Wall Street. I don’t entirely blame him; it is a home state industry, but that cannot be our Senate leader in the current moment, nor any moment that is likely to produce a comeback. I know the Senate is likely out of reach in 2018 (too few pickup opportunities, and they’re all states we couldn’t win in 2012), but she is among the most popular big-name Democrats, and has a distinctive message that would separate her from many of the things people don’t like/aren’t enthused about Clinton. Folksy, relatable. I like Bernie, but a self-described socialist who’s technically not in the party is likely a bridge to far for some of the more ideologically skittish members of the caucus. They will be a challenge; will likely try to hammer the “move right” message, with “right” meaning “ideas of the Republicans Trump beat”. Still, if we are going to mitigate the damage/duration of the Trump regime, we’ll need to maintain something of a a popular front, so to speak.
bemused
@Cermet:
Gee thanks. I live rural outstate. The Trump voters have repeatedly said “kick them all out”. They wanted scorched earth.
Humboldtblue
@Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Well only one side lost. So that means the other side got out more voters.
And the update on California voter turnout — statewide it was just over 50%, still 20 points down.
psych1
Watching from hotel in Lisbon. Many locals offering condolences and expresing their fears. Many of us up all night. Sad day.
WarMunchkin
Is this music unnecessarily festive to anyone else?
wonkie
@Cermet: I didn’t say they did a dirty trick in this election. In fact I specifically said that the end of representative government is the fault of the Trump voters–because they voted for Trump. We have lost our democracy fair and square.. The voter suppression laws in seventeen states have been implemented where the states were likely to go R this election anyway. The purpose of voter suppression laws is to lock in that Republican control so that the state can’t swing blue due to demographic changes in the future: North Carolina and Texas, for example. This pan to turn the US into a one-party state at the national level has been in the works for a longtime. DeLay came right out and talk of the plan openly during the Bush administration. It’s a long term plan. The key to success is the Supreme Court, which is why the Republicans would not confirm Obama’s pick for the SUpreme Court.
Jonkheer
Longtime lurker (sorry if that’s rude).
Can’t sleep, for no lack of trying. We need ideas for moving forward. Grief has its place, but we need hope, and hope needs a plant, at least for the short term.
Elizabeth Warren for SML. At the very least, some TPP foe. Schumer is too Wall Street. I don’t entirely blame him; it is a home state industry, but that cannot be our Senate leader in the current moment, nor any moment that is likely to produce a comeback. I know the Senate is likely out of reach in 2018 (too few pickup opportunities, and they’re all states we couldn’t win in 2012), but she is among the most popular big-name Democrats, and has a distinctive message that would separate her from many of the things people don’t like/aren’t enthused about Clinton. Folksy, relatable. I like Bernie, but a self-described socialist who’s technically not in the party is likely a bridge to far for some of the more ideologically skittish members of the caucus. They will be a challenge; will likely try to hammer the “move right” message, with “right” meaning “ideas of the Republicans Trump beat”. Still, if we are going to mitigate the damage/duration of the Trump regime, we’ll need to maintain something of a a popular front, so to speak.
coredump
@JPL:
Thank you! I have been lucky enough to have been here for almost 20 years and am thankfully in a good place both job wise and financially if i need to move. I despair at the anguish and sense of fear/helplessness other immigrants are feeling – those that have not traveled the full road and attained citizenship and are not in as lucky a spot as I am. I feel their pain because I was them just a few short years ago.
adog
@Corner Stone: I don’t know. I think we are about to run that experiment to find out. When Trump appoints a new Scalia to the court and when it strikes down Roe, allowing states to prosecute women who terminate their pregnancies, I just don’t see how that can possibly be pinned on anyone other than the party that has promised this for decades.
But maybe you are right, and somehow the electorate (who supports access to legal abortions by large majorities) will blame us for that, as well. If so, democracy is over.
Napoleon
Fuck Clinton. She laid waste to the Democratic Party and will crawl off to enjoy the big bucks she hovered up from people like Goldman Sachs
Mnemosyne
Okay, I had to go grab the laptop, because this is going to be long. Shorter me: there were multiple things that went into this stew, but racism/misogyny underlies all of them:
— Voter suppression: It’s not a coincidence that Trump won Obama states that passed voter ID laws after 2012. Stop playing naive. It’s the stated purpose of voter ID laws.
— Openly white supremacist campaign by Trump: There is a certain segment of the white population that loves this shit, mostly in rural and exurban areas. Where did Trump way outperform Romney’s numbers? Rural and exurban areas.
— Media stacking the deck: The assholes are all in shock this morning because white voters fucked up and trusted them.
— “Scandals”: Comey’s shenanigans hurt us a lot more with undecided voters than any of us realized. They didn’t necessarily decide to vote for Trump, they just decided to stay home and be smug because both sides!
— Evangelicals: I underestimated how many evangelicals of all races are still uncomfortable with the idea of a woman being in charge. Paul’s words about women not leading men, and all that. That’s why Trump outperformed Clinton with minority voters — he was a terrible candidate, but they wouldn’t be contravening God’s law by voting for him.
— Misogyny: Clinton got shit that no other candidate has had to deal with. A large contingent of white men (and some white women) all across the political spectrum had a visceral distaste for her that can’t be easily explained by 20-year-old “scandals.” Remember how some people just “didn’t trust” Obama no matter what? Same cake, different batter. You see it at work in this very thread, as some men try to come up with reasons they hated Hillary other than that visceral dislike that came from their lizard brain.
— Racism: Clinton went to great lengths to be racially inclusive, and white voters were uncomfortable with that.
— Bernie: Yeah, I went there. Bernie pushed all of the “Corrupt Clinton!” buttons long before Trump did and primed his voters to buy into Trump’s bullshit, mostly by staying home.
— The Russians: We’re not going to pretend this didn’t happen, right? The “emails” story stayed alive because the Russians put their fingers in the pot and stirred it. Speaking of propaganda, that also leads to …
— Breitbart: Holy fuck, Breitbart. I vastly underestimated how having a direct line of white supremacist propaganda fed directly into peoples’ Facebook feeds would affect the election. Again, Hillary tried to warn us that the alt-right was propagandizing people, but that leads to the next link in the chain —
— The media (yeah, they get a double dose): Everyone is saying that the media is shell-shocked this morning, which says to me that they had no clue that they had heavily put their thumbs on the scale and enabled Trump. When Hillary talked about the alt-right, they pooh-poohed it, but guess who turned out to be right?
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@Kryptik:
True. And we need to make them own it. Hey, GOP, unemployment is 4.9%; stocks are around 17,000; crime is down.
Now you’re in charge. A year from now those numbers better be AWESOME!
Gvg
@Kropadope: some one else could have run and won, if they were good enough. No one did. Bernie wasn’t good enough. I guess I would have voted for him over Trump, but it would have been much less confidently than I did for her. She really was better. Obama beat her. The establishment was not the reason she won. Quit wasting our time on fantasy yet again. There was not a better candidate. The haters have broken through.
There really is a problem with widespread delusion. I have been hoping Fox was going to implode when Murdock dies.
rikyrah
Maybe one day I’ll be able to watch it, but today’s not that day.
I’m sorry, Hillary. As skeptical as I was of her in the beginning, I know that she was the better candidate. The only candidate.
ska delite
@Elizabelle: Was it prescient that I watched Four Days in November yesterday, I wonder? Because at that time, the idea of Hillary losing was the furthest thing from my mind.
Cermet
@Humboldtblue: But …but…thugs voted and …well, that isn’t fair. If the thugs didn’t vote, we’d would have won … see, thugs fault. LOLOLOL
SiubhanDuinne
WTF? An hour of static shots and band music, and the minute Tim Kaine comes on and starts speaking, ABC pulls the plug?
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
co sign.
Cermet
@wonkie: Last I checked, we as demorats didn’t exactly create a grass roots effort to counter thug control of so many states. Governorships, state bodies – the thugs took control of so many states and they recognized the importance of Gerrymandering and voter ID laws. And the demorats have been focusing their efforts like a laser on …
Elizabelle
Her composure is superb, and her words gracious.
Jonkheer
Another thing (sorry to moderators to overwhelm them with newbie tweets): State & Fed’l Bars consider racist/otherwise bigoted comments, conduct, or group-membership to be unethical. If Trump tries to push a nakedly Islamophobic (for example) policy, and it is challenged in court, complaints to the Bar/ethics board/whatever (changes by jurisdiction) may be able to prevent a gov’t lawyer from even being able to defend it. Legal profession is self-regulating, so the fact that what they are defending is gov’t policy shouldn’t matter.
amygdala
Go, Hillary, go. Great color choice and her message is spot-on. Hope I’m not jinxing it, but I can’t believe how composed she is.
Singing Truth to Power
She is rational, tough, and gracious, and thanking all of the right people. I didn’t think I could watch, but glad that I did. She was not my first choice, but she worked her heart out. And fuck James Comey.
amygdala
It’s killing me, watching the young woman in the crowd weeping.
catclub
@Humboldtblue: I think I owe AnneMarie an apology about complacency versus bandwagon voting.
dww44
@SiubhanDuinne: I thought the very same thing. Went to TPM and got the NBC live feed, thank goodness. Not very public spirited of ABC was it?
Bobby D
How long before the deplorables turn on their con-man? When Sec Clinton is not in jail a year from now, the economy is in recession, the manufacturing jobs are still leaking offshore, and global supply chains grind to a halt sending the world into a depression…well, shit maybe that’s what they wanted after all, burn it all down. They’ve been cheering for a societal collapse, hoarding guns, gold, and “survival” supplies since the last market collapse. They look forward to unrest. Well, they’re (and we) are gonna get it, good and hard.
At least I’m white, male, straight, and highly educated in a STEM field. I’ll be ok. My LGBT, disabled, muslim, jewish, atheist, women, and POC friends…yeah, not looking so wonderful for them. I still feel physically sick, and am afraid I’m going to lose it and get violent with some of the gloating assholes in my unit (I’m civ employee for a branch of our military).
msdc
@schrodinger’s cat: I’m sure some of them are conservative or libertarian trolls… but what’s the difference?
Jonkheer
@Bobby D:
The outright nazis will support their Fuhrer all the way to the bunker. The more garden-variety “I’m not racist, I just consider the existence of minorities’ political interests fundamentally illegitimate” racists maybe less so, but will still be tough nuts to crack.
As for those who might actually be motivated by economic anxiety (as well as a dislike of nebulously defined “political correctness”, perhaps), those we might be able to bag, or at least might not vote in 2-4 years. Still, we need a plan whose first move isn’t “first, we’ll wait for them to fail; then, we’ll grab success!” What do we do to get out in front of Trump on the economy as the real party of struggling people, such that his self-collapse will be magnified?
NoraLenderbee
I pulled over when her speech came on the radio. I cried.
Today is the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
Greenergood
I wanted H to win because I didn’t want Trump to win – I felt okay about her domestic, very uneasy about her foreign – but her speech today made me shed tears, and I wondered, just wondered, what would’ve a Trump concession speech looked like? Nothing like Hillary’s, I’m guessing – probably a tirade of bigly blame.
Time for big Dem post-mortem – new faces, new strategies, that will take years to get into place thanks to oppositional MSM – maybe someday. Eyes on the prize – even though it’s receded for now … but it’s still out there …