Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 26, 2017
"You tired of winning yet, you orange mothe—" pic.twitter.com/UAsOe4YH8G
— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) March 25, 2017
I like to imagine Obama reading this last line–mainstream Republicans complaining about Freedom Caucus–and laughing for a good 5 minutes pic.twitter.com/ZFQFmH8KLn
— laura olin (@lauraolin) March 25, 2017
btw, collapse of Trumpcare completely undercuts argument that Dems are "distracted" by Russia controversy; that they can't multi-task
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) March 26, 2017
amk
not allowing the poor dood to gloat.
wimmins/smh
Mike J
I don’t think Fox has figured out if they should say Dems are brilliant because they managed to pull off this sneaky sinking of Trump and Ryan or if they should say the Republicans are run by people who couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery.
Villago Delenda Est
Donald…and the ENTIRE GOP…are running out of options, running out of chances, and face an inevitable backlash that may leave Donald and the GOP with the 27%, but the rest will turn in disgust. The demise of Trump-Ryancare is only the beginning. Flynn may be ready to sing arias.
Joyce H
Open thread, eh? Then come admire my dog – Jazzy!
TriassicSands
Eventually, Trump will have blamed every woman, man, and child on Earth along with every group for the AHCA’s disastrous outcome. Oh, wait. That is every man except one. The innocent Donald J. Trump. He might also give a pass to Kushner and his kids, but they should be careful for the next week or so as he builds toward blaming other galaxies for his own incompetence.
amk
If only melania did that… oh, wait.
Mike J
We’re outsourcing the obvious jokes to New Zealanders so now we get to kick ourselves for not getting to it first:
TriassicSands
@Joyce H:
Sigh. Oh, OK, Jazzy is a real beauty. There, I said it. Satisfied? How old is Jazzy and a boy or a girl? (The name doesn’t help.)
Jazzy really is a fine looking canine, even if canines are ultimately inferior to their (and our) feline masters.
Joyce, I have to be careful how much praise I allow for a canine. The felines are listening and they do not forgive.
Major Major Major Major
Something tells me trump can’t blame his way out of this one.
Aleta
@Joyce H: Wow. Love her completely!
Ruckus
@Major Major Major Major:
He’s never really been able to blame his way out of any of them his entire life. He just didn’t have to pay all that much. Before now.
Damien
I will say, I left a nice message for Speaker Ryan on Friday that included about 20-45 seconds of me laughing in between making jokes about how Trump used rational self-interest to completely screw Ryan over, and how Ayn Rand would laugh his stupid ass out of Galt’s Gulch.
Then some more laughter. As Pepe the frog originally said “Feels good, man.”
Humdog
Mulvaney helped teach these “Freedom cockups” that a yes is never good enough for them, they demand everything every time. He will walk into their buzz saw again when the budget and debt ceiling negotiations come up next month.
They are ungovernable nihilists and they need to be ignored, left out of negotiations, Ditch the pedophile Hastert rule and govern or get out of the way and let chuck and nancy run things.
clay
This one in Florida is smiling pretty wide about it, too.
Major Major Major Major
@Ruckus: I think it’s more that he could always move on to bigger, better, or at least different scams. That’s over.
Humdog
Joyce, are white dogs as tough to keep clean as white shirts or trousers? She looks happy and spotless!
Villago Delenda Est
@Joyce H: Floofy! Floofy! Floofy!
A beautiful pup!
jl
@Joyce H: I admire your dog!
Another Scott
@Joyce H: She’s a beauty and very floofy!
Cheers,
Scott.
Raoul
So the next ox to get gored is tax ‘reform’ (oh that phrase. Yes it will change shape, but the old notion that reform meant improve? Hah).
Anyway, from a March 8 Quinnipiac poll:
Do you think Trump should lower taxes on the wealthy?
College whites: 74% NO
Non-college whites: 69% NO
Even 51% of Republican respondents to the poll said NO to tax cuts for the rich.
Giving tax cuts to the wealthy is not really any more popular than the now torpedoed AHCA. We have some leverage here, particularly with (overblown in importance) WWC.
PIGL
@Joyce H: so cuteness! such loveables!
jl
As for other stuff in the news, I don’t understand how the media pundits can ask Democratic guests whether the Democrats should have helped the ACHA negotiations somehow. And I don’t understand why I haven’t heard a Democratic politician say the obvious: how could the Democrats have done anything to ‘help’ if the other side didn’t want it and spent all their time fighting with each other.
Trump’s weird actions may have been a signal to the Freedom Loons that he is willing to cut them off if they are completely unreasonable. Even if Trump has that much control of his wits and that was the explanation, not sure it will do any good. The Freedom Dumbnuts maybe happiest just wrecking whatever they can. A deal, and having to plan their work and then work their plan may just not be their idea of good time.
We may have to live through some more disasters (not all of which will go well if the GOP Congress jams itself, the debt ceiling being one example) before the GOP leadership and Trump even consider talking to the Democrats.
Edit: I guess good news is that the serial fiascos of the Trump administration will make it harder to attract conservaDems like Manchin to defect. No safety to be found in a herd of GOPers that seems determined to run over the nearest cliff at every opportunity.
gene108
@Humdog:
I think it is the Boehner Rule, which posits that a bill can only be passed with Republican votes, thus totally freezing Democrats out of governing.
The Hastert Rule was a bill needed a majority of Republican votes to pass, along with Democratic votes, to get it over the hump.
If Republicans had brought bills up and relied on any combo of Democratic and Republican votes to pass, we’d have gotten so much done like immigration reform, passed a budget*, etc.
* A budget / appropriations is the one job the House has to do and they are too ducks up to even do that. SMH. ??
gene108
@jl:
A question never asked of Republicans in the 8 years of Obama’s Presidency.
They were just the loyal opposition and Democrats were refusing to reach across the aisle.
Raoul
They were just the loyal opposition and Democrats were refusing to reach
across the aislearound.amk
@jl: Media assholes will always be gopee asskissers. Dems need stronger teevee surrogates to kick their collective teeth like the gopee thugs do.
Ruckus
@Major Major Major Major:
Xactly.
Major Major Major Major
@Ruckus: unfortunately that means he’ll probably turn to hatemongering for a distraction on his way to the next cock-up.
Villago Delenda Est
@amk: Which is yet another of the reasons for my nym.
Wipe them out. All of them.
TenguPhule
@Mike J: Fox? More like “Uncivil Democrats refuse to agree to have their heads chopped off,” BOTHSIDES AAND EMAILS!!
They have a spot on the wall when the revolution comes.
TenguPhule
@Villago Delenda Est: Are you a subscriber yet to my “Heads mounted on Pikes” policy? 100% American pikes made from all natural American wood and American mined iron, with 100% certified Republican heads.
TenguPhule
@gene108:
This would require diplomacy and compromise.
And Republicans would rather die then do either.
I say, oblige them.
TenguPhule
@Villago Delenda Est:
Which unfortunately still leaves them with the levers of power, a nuclear arsenal, enough armed goons to threaten key people at various parts of government not under GOP control and millions of idiots who would gladly pledge loyalty to Mother Russia provided that the browns and blacks get sent to the ovens.
Villago Delenda Est
@TenguPhule: I’m more of a let them ride tumbrels person, but being a fan of the Place de La Concorde, pikes are not out of the question!
Villago Delenda Est
@Major Major Major Major: Getting Donald’s fan base riled up is what Donald is all about. He needs the adulation, he’s like a vampire that way.
amk
@Major Major Major Major: Looks like his rabid base’s interest in rooting for him seems to be waning given the increasingly low turnouts for the astroturfed maga ‘rallies’ every week. He has to now go into redder and redder districts to get his weekly adulation addiction.
dogwood
I’m 63 with a good memory for politics and I’ve never seen a President and his party so unprepared and feckless in the first 100 days let alone the first 70 or whatever the hell it’s been. One problem the GOP has is that they don’t have any smaller, non controversial legislation teed up and ready to go. Clinton signed the family medical leave act right away. Lilly Ledbetter was passed and ready for signing before Obama’s inauguration. They are so far gone now, they have nothing to propose that would even nominally improve the lives of regular Americans.
Villago Delenda Est
@dogwood: The only things they care about are actions to screw over the 99%. Those are the only things on their minds…destroying the social safety net and tax cuts for the truly greedy.
Joyce H
@Humdog:
I can’t speak for all white dogs, but Samoyeds are actually kind of dirt-repellent; the dirt she accumulates falls off and she stays white pretty easily. Samoyeds also (and I love this part!) have no odor. Really, none! I take her to the groomer about once every three months for a bath and a full brush-out. Though she doesn’t have her own odor, she can pick up odors, from stuff she plays in and other dogs she plays with, so after a while she has a faint whiff of dog or dead leaves. The downside is the shedding – white tumbleweeds all over the house!
I was a cat lady for most of my life and have two cats, but now I’m a dog lady too and Samoyeds specifically. They’re the friendliest dogs in the world – all the people and dogs at doggy day care (where she goes once a week for a play date) adore her.
Jazzy is a bit of a diva. I call her the fourth Gabor sister. Whenever I take her out in public, she’s like ‘Dahlings! I’m HERE!’, and starts signing autographs.
Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA
@Joyce H: Happy floofy Jazzy girl! Pretty floof!
Also: squee!
Joyce H
@dogwood:
Utterly ditto (even the 63 part!) – what I see going on is that in the past decade or so, a lot of these tea-party true believer types have gotten elected to Congress, and not only do they have this hardcore impractical ideology firmly etched into their brains, but they have not the slightest notion in the world how government actually works, and many of them are not terribly bright. Some of these guys were elected in that big Tea Party wave of 2010, and they STILL don’t know much.
But what’s interesting is that as little as they know, their president knows even less! Interesting reporting that when Trump was doing his big-shot ‘sell the legislation’ Big Closer posturing, the GOP Congressmen he was supposed to persuade wound up gobsmacked by how little he knew about the legislation he was twisting their arms about.
jl
@dogwood: The way the Freedom Loons and Mulvaney talk, why didn’t they have some chain gang legislation ready? Just pass a federal law that gives money to states for chain gangs, for anything. Old school chain gangs by the highway, in white suits with horizontal black stripes. and the states could have chain gangs. Delinquent parking tickets? Library fine? Late on state income tax? Trumped up drunk and disorderly charge for a Friday night that got a little out of control? Too many complaints because your dog is barking? Chain gang for you. What would have been so hard about that?
The whole program would be very picturesque, cinematic even. Right out of central casting. Trump would have loved it.
dogwood
@Joyce H:
The whole operation is so ridiculous. Trump seems to refuse to be briefed on anything and I’m not sure there are many in the WH who would be capable of doing it anyway. He threatened and insulted Charlie Dent whose held his seat since around ’82. He has no idea who Dent is. No idea that Charlie doesn’t need help from any president to get re-elected.
jl
@dogwood: It’s almost as if Trump just shoots off whatever passing impulse or irritation happens to float up to the top of his mind, isn’t it? And who wudda thunk? Really impossible to get any idea at all what plan Trump has from the random BS that comes out of his mouth. Been shifting 180 degrees on who is to blame, who he’ll work with, who is dead to him forever.
Only strategy that has stayed the same from day to day so far, is to wait for the PPACA to ‘blow up’.
dogwood
@jl:
Exactly. Nixon signed some decent domestic legislation, but the only republican president of my lifetime who actually supported, and celebrated any real decent change in how Americans think and respond to marginalized groups was HW and the ADA. And we all know how well that served him in his own party.
zach
I’m worried that Trump needs a quick, big win and Republicans will gladly give it to him in the form of a huge tax cut with no attempt at revenue-neutral tax “reform” … repeal Obamacare taxes; lower corporate taxes; repatriation tax holiday. Deficit hawks don’t really give a whit about the deficit and can be sold on starve the beast.
How to fix this: Obama pokes his head out for a second during retirement and announces a libel lawsuit based on Trump birther claims. The standard for libel against public figures is higher, but Trump flat-out said he personally had evidence when he didn’t. This would be a huge distraction that would instantly turn Trump’s presidency into an even bigger circus. It’d also temporarily raise Trump’s approval rating because of tribalism but I don’t really care.
Major Major Major Major
@zach:
That’s true, but the Senate parliamentarian cares about the deficit and unless they’re going to overrule her then any tax bill will be subject to Democratic filibuster.
jl
@dogwood: Some of the Nixon domestic legislation was too liberal for his tastes, but Congress had too many liberals and moderates in both sides of the aisle. And I read that Nixon didn’t care about domestic policy all that much. He considered it bread and circuses to keep the proles in line, while he concentrated on world historical foreign policy greatness. But, I think the point is, he would work to get something passed.
After his attempt at bipartisan health reform legislation died, he liked the HMO idea better. I think his response to the policy pitch was, paraphrasing, “shit, more money for corporations that would provide less care. Oh hell, yeah, that sounds better anyway, let’s go with that”. But then he could follow through in a coherent way.
But Nixon’s curse on the nation was the Southern Strategy. The devotion to bigotry as a wedge issue dragged a lot of ideological baggage with it. The GOP decided to turn its back on a lot of decent policy ideas for the sake of the white bigot vote.
zach
@Major Major Major Major:
A few ways around this… 10-year sunset, replace the CBO with people who believe in trickle down magic (even though the current CBO already overestimates this), axe or ignore the Byrd rule.
Ryan’s the one who claims to dream of real, permanent tax reform paid for by cutting Medicaid by >$100B/year or what’s basically a sales tax while inverted over a keg. Trump doesn’t want that. Most Republicans don’t want that. And most rich people who fund Republicans would MUCH rather have a 10-year plan that’s more generous than a revenue-neutral permanent plan.
Major Major Major Major
@zach: Yeah, they have options, but there are obviously limits to their coordination and desire to blow up the senate (e.g. Mitch keeping the filibuster this session).
dogwood
@zach:
It isn’t easy to get a big fast win on tax cuts. It will be nonstop, “No Tax Cuts Withiut Tax Returns”. They need to win on something, even if it’s small, that most people think is ok. Problem is, they don’t have a single small, benign card in their deck.
Major Major Major Major
@dogwood:
Oh, I like. The question of course is whether Dems actually want to oppose tax ‘reform’. Willing to bet ‘yes’, right now.
jl
@dogwood: If Trump’s stunt on the AHCA was a warning that he was willing to walk away if the Freedom Loons would not negotiate in good faith, we’ll soon see if it worked. I think they are going to find it very difficult to control their impulses to demand maximum everything right now on every issue.
jl
@Major Major Major Major: The media pundits can pester the Dems all they want, to compromise away everything and all principles for the sake of bipartisanship. But if their proposed ‘reform’ always nets out with multi-billion dollar giveaways to the top 1 percent. I think the Dems will find the spine to say no. I hope so. Fact that Trump is on track to produce an unprecedented Epic Fail Show for his first hundred days may dissuade conservative Dems from defecting.
Guys like Manchin must be wondering if it goes wrong, will he wake up to news Trump has been yelling about him all night long, telling his troops to turn Manchin out next election. Because whatever went wrong, it was all Manchin’s fault. Will be somebody else’s the next day, but still…
Patricia Kayden
@Joyce H: Jazzy has been duly admired. Gorgeous doggy!
dogwood
@jl:
We have to be honest about healthcare reform under Nixon. He didn’t really care that much about domestic policy, but Ted Kennedy admitted decades later that he and the dems made a mistake by not making some deal at the time. They thought they had a permanent legislative majority and could just wait for a dem. POTUS and get what they wanted. We would be in a much better place right now if something had begun then. Obama did an important thing with the ACA, he risked his presidency and hurt his party electorally in the short run in order to the ball rolling for once. And as we saw last week, significantly more people believe healthcare is a right rather than a privilege than believed it 7 years ago. that is his greatest legacy.
Patricia Kayden
@Raoul: I can’t imagine Republicans having a hard time cutting taxes for the rich. That’s what they live for. Just hope zero Democrats play along.
CM
@Raoul:
Here is a possible slogan for the coming tax battle: “No ‘tax reform’ without tax returns”!
From this moment on, no Republican should be able to mention the phrase “tax reform” without being asked about Hair Furor’s tax returns. And that phrase “tax reform” should always be used in quotes, because we know it really means tax cuts for Trump, his family, and his rich friends.
CM
I see several people beat me to the slogan, “No ‘tax reform’ without tax returns”! Great.
This is a slogan every American can understand.
Do go on, Republicans, do go on.
CM
@dogwood:
I prefer “tax reform” in quotes to tax cuts because that is the phrase the Republicans use, because it allows for making reference to and fun of Trump making a big deal out of the use of quotes, and because the use of two “r” words seems a bit more memorable.
zach
@dogwood: My prediction: a 10-year tax cut for the rich (largely) will be paired with a ~$500/person instant rebate for everyone; Trump will combat the argument that both are stupid at full employment by saying unemployment numbers are wrong; free money will be FAR more popular than deficit increases are unpopular when it’s coming from a GOP government.
Van Buren
@zach: I think you have it. Enough people will accept the 500 dollar bribe to go along with billionaires getting 500,000 or whatever. All the talking heads will love it. We will see articles about how he found his mojo.
Is it too early to start drinking?
dogwood
@CM:
Dems should never call it tax reform. But then again I refuse to say “defund” when talking about PP. It makes it sound like they are something other than a healthcare provider. They receive federal reimbursement like everyone else.
TriassicSands
@dogwood:
They don’t care about improving the lives of regular Americans. That isn’t the job of the government. It’s there to smooth the way for rich people.
opiejeanne
@Humdog: One member of the Freedom Caucus left in a snit because of the defeat of the AHCA. I think his name is Poe.
akryan
This really tickles me. He just can’t help himself from being a petulant asshole.
dogwood
@zach:
If they try the $500 one year rebate, dems better be clear that over the next 10 years that averages out to around $4.80 a month in tax cuts for everyone but the wealthy who will see tens of thousands in monthly relief.
TriassicSands
@akryan:
And that’s on a really good day. A very, very great day. Sad!
dogwood
@TriassicSands:
I didn’t say they cared either.
dogwood
I think McConnel is probably pleased that healthcare failed. It didn’t have a great chance in the Senate and now is the time for him to push for huge tax giveaways to corporations and the wealthy. He’s only got 8 seats up next year and they are almost all completely safe. Texas, Utah, Wyoming ain’t flipping. Dean Heller is the only potentially vulnerable one. Thank god for the resistance and thank god for Trump’s unpopularity. That’s gonna limit Senate losses for us.
zach
@Van Buren:
Honestly I don’t mind. There’s a few realistic options: (1) Trump quits or is impeached; a competent GOP government takes over, (2) Trump hurts people long-term by whatever deregulation options are available to him to enrich like-minded conmen, (3) Trump pushes temporary tax cuts that overheat the economy and accelerate the arrival of the next recession leading to 2020 Dem wave.
Of those, I pick (3)… my portfolio gets a temporary boost that I’ll pocket if I get out in time, no permanent changes that’ll be hard to reverse legislatively, another nail in trickle-down’s coffin… the cost is that the medium/long-term deficit situation will be worse the next time Dems are in charge and the “centrists” looking to destroy America’s meager pension systems come out of the woodwork again… but they’re not going away, ever, anyway.
raven
@dogwood: Here’s our old dogwood, it looks like it will make another year!
Cermet
So now what can the dems do to prevent the slow erosion of ACA due to healthy people avoiding it to say money? Insurgence works only if the actual number of people needing services are a small percentage of the whole. With the “mandate” eliminate, small hand’s isn’t wrong when he says ACA will implode given time. While not exactly true, costs will climb too fast and more healthy people will be unable to afford and will op-out until they need it. Also, there will be a backlash against dems for these steadily increasing rates. Can the dems manage to convince the voters its the thugs fault since they didn’t “fix” ACA? Not sure that the dems could ever message that in a manner that dumb-ass public bothers to listen; then the standard dem stays home for the mid-terms and the dems don’t gain any seats to speak of …yes, a broken record but this matters if we hope to get control of congress before I retire … .
dogwood
@raven:
The town I live in has a dogwood festival. The home I sold 16 years ago had the best dogwood in town. I wish I had a digital picture to share. It is truly spectacular.
zach
@dogwood:
Interestingly, your numbers are almost identical to the Bush tax cuts, which passed the Senate with nearly a filibuster-proof majority (58-33) even though the GOP was less to the right and the Senate was 50/50.
Average Bush tax cut value per quintile per year: $67 / $368 / $570 / $951 / $1978 … top 1%: $45,715 (Brookings estimates 1 year after the law was passed).
The only major differences are (1) there’s no projected surplus like there was in 2000/1 and (2) we’re not immediately on the heels of a financial crisis (tech bubble bursting)… I don’t think that’s sufficient to stop it from happening again given how much more to the right this Congress is.
zach
@Cermet:
Breaking the ACA hurts states and healthcare insurers/providers in a major way and will ultimately look bad for Trump and not Obama unless Democrats are incredibly inept on messaging (non-zero probability of this). Intentional sabotage is to some degree an empty threat (but you’d say the same for refusing Medicaid expansion and that happens)… sabotage by incompetence on the other hand…
TriassicSands
@dogwood:
I didn’t say you did, but it never hurts to say it one more time. And since you’re commenting on BJ and aren’t a troll, I didn’t doubt you already knew that. It’s not like the do a very good job of hiding it.
dogwood
@Cermet:
I’m hoping to find out that more people than we think who are actually healthy still like having insurance. And the ACA tax penality wasn’t all that punitive in the first place. Add to that a percentage of people who pay little attention and will never clue into the change in mandate enforcement. It might not be as bad as some people think.
raven
@dogwood: We’ve been in this house for 17 year and we’ve thought it was a goner for 15 of them!
dogwood
@zach:
The only difference this time is those phone lines are gonna be lit up just as intensely as they were over Obamacare. They might pass it, but a few of them might have to pay a price for it.
TriassicSands
@dogwood:
Sadly, I’m older than you and one of my early memories is of the 1956 political conventions. I’ve commented several times about the truly unbelievable unpreparedness of Trump. It was obvious during the campaign that this wasn’t someone who should be allowed anywhere near the presidency, but day after day, Trump’s incompetence grows. We may have the first ever instance of a person with an infinite capacity — too bad it’s an unlimited capacity to wreck things.
Few things in the media irritate me more than the reporters or opinion writers who, following Trump’s latest screw-up, always speculate as to whether he will now reassess his position and start acting presidential (in more than a ceremonial way). Give it up guys, it’s not going to happen.
What did Trump “learn” from the AHCA debacle? ?That’s easy — that everybody else is at fault and if we’d simply accommodate him by making the government a dictatorship everything would be fine.
zhena gogolia
@Joyce H:
I’m in love!
PST
How many 63-year-olds do we have? I’m another. That might be the median age here.
NorthLeft12
While Mr. Boelhert thinks that this event proved that Dems can multi-task, I think it more clearly illustrates how Republicans can’t even single task.
Americans think that they have a two party system, but it really looks like you have at least three; Extreme Right Wing Loon Party, Conservative Incompetent and Indecisive Party, Centrist Compromise at all Cost Party, and the Progressive Waffle Party.
Kudos to the Dems, and especially Ms. Pelosi, for sticking together.
NorthLeft12
@TriassicSands: I agree with you. I can’t believe how any American who paid any attention at all the previous two years is surprised by how incompetent and ignorant Deadbeat Donald and his posse are. They gave plenty of examples throughout the election process of how unprepared they would be.
BTW I am turning sixty this year. So I guess that makes me a young’un?
Kenneth Kohl
@PST: 66, so…
'Niques (lurker; occasional commenter)
64
TriassicSands
@NorthLeft12:
The way I hear it, sixty is the new 12. Enjoy your second run at puberty.
Are you a young ‘un? It would be interesting to see the average age of the BJ commenter. Lots of oldsters in the crowd.
Little Sonny's Bubbie
61. Lurker, not commenter
BC in Illinois
67. At lest for the next two weeks.
Which means that for eight years in my life, I was older than the President.
I look for it to happen again in 3 years.
[My apologies to Hillary, Bernie, Elizabeth, Joe . . . .]
montanareddog
@BC in Illinois: I am enjoying the turn that this thread has taken. It is a long time since I have been below median age.
BC in Illinois
@montanareddog:
It catches up to you while you are busy making other plans . . .
No One You Know
@Joyce H: Pomeranian?
Name suits. Look at those ears.
Triassic Sands is right about the felines.
No One You Know
@No One You Know: sigh. Left coast, late post, wrong again! Still, a very pretty dog.
(Feline head rubs commence…)
opiejeanne
67, as of two weeks ago.
bemused
@Joyce H:
We have two Samoyeds now and had two previously. Everything you said is true. No odor. People imagine they are hard to keep clean and white and are surprised when we tell them we just lay down a couple of old blankets for them to nap & dry on. When they get up all the sand and grit is on the blankets and you’d never know they were dirty, wet messes before. The hair is the big issue. I just trimmed and clipped their paw hair as the snow is melting. It’s unbelievable how long the hair grows between toes but we leave it over our heavy snow and cold temp winters to protect their feet romping on our country property and trim as muddy season starts and less dirt tracked in.
It’s no wonder they are friendly dogs and seem to bask in the attention when people always fuss over and comment how beautiful they are. Samoyeds are not just pretty faces. They are very intelligent and the sweetest dogs. Cuddlers.
J R in WV
@PST:
I’m 66+ and you young 63yo sprouts need to get your shit together!!!! And GET OFF my lawn…. wait, I live in the woods. I don’t even own a lawn mower! Maybe I’m forgetting too much. Like what a supreme dick Nixon was… nope I still got that.
Dog is pretty. We had a very similar dog, but a neighborhood mutt, totally black. The complete opposite of Floofy girl up there. Invisible in the dark, great in the snow.
Joyce H
@bemused:
Ooh, another Sammy owner! Gotta ask – what’s your take on the Samoyed reputation for being stubborn and difficult to train? I bought into that for a long time, and my first two dogs were incredibly difficult to train – beginners obedience over and over and over again! But now with Jazzy, everything seems different. She’s SO smart and so happy to be training! My first two wouldn’t heel on leash for anything, and Jazzy will heel off-leash like a little princess! It could be that training methods have changed in the 20 years I’ve been a dog owner, and the new methods are better, or perhaps I’m just more experienced now, or maybe Jazzy is an unusual example of her breed.
We’ve just started an agility class – fun!
SFBayAreaGal
61 here and have been a liberal since my teen years
Old Broad in California
Late to the party, but another 63 here.
mr_gravity
60.