Toodaloo, tontos:
Donald Trump stood outside a Carrier manufacturing plant in Indianapolis, Indiana weeks before taking office and boasted he just saved 1,100 jobs from being shipped to Mexico.
Inside the plant, some workers were skeptical. Carrier had promised layoffs, which Trump glossed over in his claim to save over 1,000 jobs.
On Monday, these workers were proven right. Though Trump struck a deal with Carrier promising them $7 million in local business incentives if they kept their Indianapolis plant open, the heating and cooling company warned that it would still outsource a number of Indiana jobs to Mexico, regardless. But the Trump campaign still championed the deal as a win for American workers. This week, the Carrier announced it will cut 632 jobs from its Indiana plant by the end of the year.
For labor leaders like Chuck Jones, the layoffs are a grim told-you-so moment. Jones is president of the United Steelworkers 1999, which represents employees at Carrier’s Indianapolis plant.
No one could have predicted. Wait, what?
After Trump failed to mention the major layoffs during his December speech, Jones told the Washington Post that Trump “got up there and, for whatever reason, lied his ass off.”
Trump retaliated on Twitter. “Chuck Jones, who is President of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee country!” Trump tweeted of the local union leader, adding that “If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking. Reduce dues.”
Now, as Carrier warned on the day of Trump’s triumphant speech outside the plant, the jobs are leaving Indiana anyway.
“It wasn’t a shock by no means,” Jones said.
Expert businessman and his bible thumping sidekick just let the people of Indiana get fleeced for seven million by Carrier who went ahead and did what they said they would do all along. WINNING.
?BillinGlendaleCA
I take it you’re already tired of WINNING, John.
Baud
Ididanode
raven
Xin Loi mofo’s
Hunter Gathers
And the residents of Indiana will gladly ask to use sand as a lubricant as long as Trump is the one fucking them over.
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debbie
Too much to ask Indiana to pull back the tax incentives?
Major Major Major Major
@Hunter Gathers: better than some chick.
Baud
@Hunter Gathers: As long as we’re upset, they are satisfied.
jl
It’s kind of like a demo for Trump’s ‘giga-jobs’ infrastructure rebuild.
amk
@debbie: As if carrier will give a shit.
Isn’t there a small IN ‘wwc’ town, where the kenyan saved their sorry lil asses and the racists there said, nuh, ah and voted for twitler?
amk
TenguPhule
@debbie: They were supposed to be pulled back if the jobs did leave. Its anyone’s guess if they actually will now, though since Carrier cheated by claiming jobs were saved that were never actually going to be moved (management level)
amk
winning bigly.
Corner Stone
@amk:
BBBBBUUUUUULLLLLSSSSHHHHIIIIITTTTT!!!
Sorry, in case this wasn’t clear – this is bullshit.
Jeffro
Unless the United Steelworkers and DNC are going to carpet bomb the Midwest with ads, flyers, and billboards, Trumpistas are never going to hear about this unfortunate turn of events.
So…who do I pester to carpet bomb the Midwest as noted above?
piratedan
it’ll all work out… the GOP will blame Carrier for doing what they did on the Dems because reasons… the steadfast folks of Indiana will take a step back, listen to what was said and what was promised and the reality of the situation and believe the GOP.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: You mean the one with the email?
Baud
@piratedan: Indiana does have one Dem senator. Better than many states.
efgoldman
Oh, so that’s what he’s done since Warner stopped making cartoons.
Major Major Major Major
@amk: Elkhart, right? The caterpillar place? I remember all the interviews last year where people talked about how the town rebounded in SPITE of obama.
Gravenstone
@amk: Elkhart.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: You know who doesn’t care about emails? Carrier’s new Mexican employees.
TenguPhule
@Corner Stone:
I dunno. Smells more like horseshit to me.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
At $3.90 an hour, they can’t afford to care.
Major Major Major Major
@?BillinGlendaleCA: all I knows is she called all white people deplorable, and once I looked it up I got real mad!
trollhattan
@Corner Stone:
Invoke Josh Marshall rule: moderate Republicans always fall in line.
The end.
Omnes Omnibus
@Corner Stone: Could you speak more plainly?
amk
@Major Major Major Major: @Gravenstone: That’s the one. Thanks.
jl
@amk: That liberal 4th circuit court of appeals is out of control. Amazing to me that some liberal judges out in some weirdo backwoods mountains can rule over us. It needs to be broken up .Many people are saying that. Believe me.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: I see that course you took at Trump University is paying off.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
amk
piratedan
@Baud: counterpoint… they elected Pence
jl
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
” I see that course you took at Trump University is paying off. ”
Many of the best, top, people are saying that. BillingGlendale, and many people are saying that he is doing great work lately, he is a friend of mine, and he tells that, privately.
amk
@Baud: and mikey dense.
Major Major Major Major
Have we talked yet about these fragile snowflakes who can’t handle that the new Star Trek doesn’t have enough white dudes? http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/white-genocide-in-space-racist-fans-seethe-at-diversity-in-new-star-trek-series/
Corner Stone
@trollhattan: I apologize everyone. After seeing how important this anonymous quote was about R Senators pulling the rug from under McConnell depending on their..*laughing*..home town response, I have recalibrated all my resources to keying on three super important bellwethers. I think we should know how far the R Senators are going to break by looking to McCain, Graham and Collins. If they issue tough statements….this thing is done. Over. Because they Do.Not.Fucking.Play.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major: They sound economically anxious.
Jeffro
@amk: Was just seeing some of those same tweets myself…you know the Europeans have to be like, “fuck this”.
Weird to think that the GOP care so little for national/international security that they’d let this Russian ‘useful idiot’ continue to chip away hard at the Western alliance. That Mercer cash…or maybe, that Russian mob cash?…must be some sweet, sweet stuff…
Peale
@Corner Stone: sorry. Tough statements in which way? Or are you wishing for Olympia Snowe to come out of retirement and be a maverick, too?
Jeffro
@Major Major Major Major: “…you’re…you’re taking my FAVORITE THING and making it into my UNFAVORITE THING…I don’t want to share MY THING…or even just ‘roll with it’ and enjoy the stories…”
I thought having Storm lead the X-Men cured a lot of these babies of their white-male-must-lead issues. She kicked so much ass, ass hid under the bed for miles around her.
efgoldman
@Corner Stone:
Collins? Suzy Q of the “serious concerns”? When it comes to voting, she’ll go whichever way Yertle McTurtle needs. And Grandpa Walnuts makes two.
Major Major Major Major
@Jeffro: plus I mean of the two properties to get upset about diversity in, Star Trek and X-Men is completely missing the point of each.
Omnes Omnibus
@Major Major Major Major: One has Kirk and McCoy. Scotty. Arguably Spock.
Gin & Tonic
@Corner Stone: Decent effort, but far from your best. 6/10.
SFAW
@Corner Stone:
You forgot the part about a “strongly-worded letter.” That would make the satire (or whatever) complete.
SenyorDave
@Major Major Major Major: Its Elkhart, but I think that the town is the RV capital of the US. If you own an RV, chances are it was made in Elkhart. And Obama pretty much literally helped save the town and for a while they tolerated him, and by 2012 they went back to hating him and voted for Romney. Here’s an interesting article about it.
http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016/05/31/elkhart-residents-obama-tell-us-how-you-helped/85194822/
Inventor
@jl: Da! Many American comrades learn much WINNING!
bl
Fellow wonderful BJ jackals who have overwhelmingly supported getting a home for Buddy:
Please stop donating! We have plenty. You people are the greatest (now I sound like Trump).
Buddy notice: I just got back from my weekly trip to RWNJ land otherwise known as WV. I drive (5 hours one way) and work long hours Tues-Thurs, so I dont have time to check personal emails and browse BJ for the most part on those days.
I will give an important update and I need advice, but I need to get the stop donations coming in.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
They can go fuck themselves. (Not that they have the requisite equipment, of course.) Michelle Yeoh can “captain my ship” any time she wants.
Jeffro
@Major Major Major Major: Yup. I think X-Men leans even harder in that direction, but both are pretty obvious in terms of message. How some of these folks enjoy the adventures but miss the overall theme is beyond me.
debbie
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
You have to read the ruling. It’s an incredible slamming of Trump!
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro: I know right wing people who like Billy Bragg’s music.
Mary G
@bl: Give the extra to whoever takes Buddy for his future care.
Schlemazel
It goes against my personal nature but here is a glimmer of hope for us all:
emphasis mine
dm
Polls have closed in Montana. Vox is following the results.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
You callin’ me “right wing”???
Omnes Omnibus
@Schlemazel: Who are you and what have you done with Schlemazel? You bastard.
efgoldman
@SenyorDave:
Used to be the home of Selmer and Conn musical instruments, too. Don’t know if it still is.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I never would have guessed that winning bigly would suck ass so much.
bl
I sent my email to Adam for the fundraising, loaded Buddy into the car, dropped him off at my daughter’s house. Buddy REALLY LOVED her pet bunny, so we had to move the bunny’s cage to a different spot in the house, and then make sure Buddy could not get to the cats. Then I started the rest of my 5 hour drive to WV. I didnt arrive until after 1am and crashed. I had meetings all day and did not get a chance to check the youcaring site until 4pm Wednesday. Cell phone service is poor at the federal facility where I work and I dont like using work computers to check personal things, so I need to be able to walk out of the building to better reception.
When I saw the entire amount had been raised, I cried. You guys are amazing!!!
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: No, I really mean what I said. I have asked them, “Have you listened to the lyrics?” and been told, “I just like the song.”
Shalimar
@piratedan: Countercounterpoint, they weren’t going to be stupid enough to reelect Pence.
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
It’s high time this became a rotating tag.
amk
nyt MT live results
Aleta
Steve Kornacki @SteveKornacki 3m3 minutes ago
Yellowstone (Billings) — looks like early vote
Gianforte 56%
Quist 37%
Was Trump +27
Steve Kornacki @SteveKornacki 5m5 minutes ago
Looks like early vote from Lewis and Clark (Helena) is counted:
Quist 52%
Gianforte 42%
Was Trump +7 in November
Steve Kornacki @SteveKornacki 8m8 minutes ago
Early winner is the Montana Secretary of State’s office for putting together a great site for real-time results http://mtelectionresults.gov/
Jeffro
@Omnes Omnibus: I don’t know anyone who likes Billy Bragg’s music.
I do know some RWNJs who give themselves fits going to see Springsteen on every tour, sometimes for multiple dates. I guess they have their own form of breathing exercises that helps them through the rough stuff – you know, pleas for us to take care of each other, not just serve the rich, shit like that.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
“Well, Dick, it’s got a good beat, I can dance to it, but I don’t understand all them big words, but thass OK. I give it a 91.”
Fucking morons.
Shalimar
@Omnes Omnibus: As exemplified by the number of people who love Jimi Hendrix’s “Scuse me while I kiss this guy”, a lot of people don’t have any grasp of the lyrics they’re listening to.
SFAW
@Jeffro:
Spawn of Satan, get thee behind me!
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro:
Do you live in a cave?
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
¿Que signífica Xin Loi? I want to know, mofos.
amygdala
@Major Major Major Major: They’re just upset Michelle Yeoh could kick their backsides into whatever century she wanted to.
Steeplejack
All Right! Joy Reid in for Lawrence O’Donnell. (Somebody needs to look at his attendance records.)
SiubhanDuinne
When does Trump return to the US, and what will he be facing?
-Bad reviews on nearly every aspect of his overseas trip
-Jared under FBI scrutiny
-Lieberman, his fave pick for FBI chief, withdraws
-Appeals Court shoots down his Muslim travel ban yet again
-AHCA/GOP Congress in a metric shit-ton of trouble
-Carrier Goes to Mexico
I must be forgetting any number of really important stories, but they come at us so fast and furious it’s almost impossible to catch them all.
I can hardly wait for the inevitable tweets once he’s back Stateside. Epic, I have no doubt.
Jeffro
Meanwhile, Michael Gerson goes full metal dKos: The Conservative Mind Has Become Diseased.
Clearly, Mr. Gerson missed out on “countertops” and “Pizzagate”, but hey at least he is catching on!
Truly, we are living in remarkable times, people.
efgoldman
@Shalimar:
And he wasn’t even out of the state 24 hours when the very RWNJ legislature and Lieutenant Governor started dumping Dense’s most egregious initiatives. When you’re too much of a chistofascist for the Indiana leg…..
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
@SFAW:
@Omnes Omnibus:
Who the fuck is Billy Bragg?
amk
@Jeffro:
fuck him and his lies.
Jeffro
@SFAW: @Omnes Omnibus:
Plenty of folks I know are aware of his music, I’m sure of it. They must just not like it enough to let me know how (or if?) they feel about it.
Maybe they’re all just too busy rocking out to some Audioslave this week? I know I am.
Jeffro
@SiubhanDuinne:
My point ;)
Major Major Major Major
@SenyorDave: yeah, here’s the article, it was Elkhart I was thinking of. Wrong about caterpillar though. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/511634/
dm
Heh: Montana Secy of State site falls over under the load.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Mr. Bragg. The punk generation’s Woody Guthrie.
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
Who
Some disks
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
Caterpillar pulled the same shit with Obama, they said they were keeping jobs here, Obama applauded them, and then they turned around and laid off a bunch of workers.
Shalimar
@Steeplejack: O’Donnell never shows up on Friday. And his show is also ending next week or the week after because they didn’t renew his contract.
debbie
@Jeffro:
I’m letting you know I like Billy Bragg.
Jeffro
@amk: Yes…eventually. But it’s a bit of a change (and an opportunity to peel off some GOP support?) when ‘true’ or ‘traditional’ or ‘establishment’ conservatives like Gerson and J-Rubs and Frum and others have had enough, and most especially when they so accurately diagnose the problem: the current GOP is rabid (or as Charlie Pierce puts it, is suffering from prion disease).
Never hurts to have the additional voices weighing in, in mainstream publications, in very stark terms. “The Conservative Mind Has Become Diseased” – WOW. That is a bit of a change, right?
It’s great to see what happens when they have no boogeyman to flail against, either. it’s like “Hey America (and world) – this is what the GOP stands for” Or more accurately, what it stoops to.
hedgehog mobile
@dm: I grew up in Montana(Billings) and left as soon ad I could ? Hoping for a good result tonight.
indycat32
@efgoldman: not quite. Pence didn’t resign as governor so nothing was done until the new governor took office in January
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@dm:
Googling “Quist Montana” turned up this non-official site
Quist 75,998
Gianforte 74,906
18% reporting
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro: My point was that I know right wing people who like the music of a Communist folk/punk singer. The fact that a shitload of people don’t know who he is is rather immaterial, isn’t it? The particular right wing people I am writing about know who his because they listen to his music.
Schlemazel
@Omnes Omnibus:
well, what can I say? Would it help if I had added that I think it is too late & that the damage the GOP has done over the last 40 years has already destroyed the US, we a dead nation walking? But I always hope I am wrong.
amk
Any idea which MT county has the most votes? If it is Missoula, Quist is blowing it wide with 2 to 1 votes.
Steeplejack
@Shalimar:
This is Thursday. Interesting, because I was feeling like it was Friday all day too. Joy Reid said that he was off to attend a “family event.”
eclare
@Shalimar: As exemplified by the playing of Neil Young’s “Keep on Rockin’ in the Free World” at a Fourth of July fireworks display a few years ago in my town. Lots of “hell yeahs”! Morans.
Jeffro
@debbie: Noted and respected!
After all, he did “The World Turned Upside Down” before HAMILTON made it cool…
(different song entirely folks – was just going off the titles!)
hovercraft
@Omnes Omnibus:
Um, I live in Jersey, and I don’t know who Billy Brag is.
Omnes Omnibus
@amk: Missoula has the state university.
different-church-lady
Yeah, but he’s still gonna save all those coal jobs.
[nods]
Schlemazel
@SFAW:
I’m old enough to know the kids only graded 1-10 on ABS, but that is a great analogy
dm
@Ceci n est pas mon nym: Here’s the NYT site, lots of nice maps.
Also, Vox has a warning that Montana ballots often take a long time to be counted — the governor’s race in 2016 wasn’t called until 10AM.
efgoldman
@Jeffro:
Who does it influence? Not the knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing racist flying monkeys, for sure.
Steeplejack
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Literally, it means “sorry” or “I apologize,” but in the Vietnam War context it’s more like “Sorry about that,” with a heavy undertone of sarcasm.
bl
Now for the harder message about Buddy. Fortunately or unfortunately, right after I checked the fundraiser, I checked my personal email and finally found a response from Wed afternoon to one of my lost and found notices.
I called the person – the first words out of the person’s mouth once I said I was calling about the notice, is “You found my Buddy,” which through me for a loop, since Buddy does not answer to “Buddy.”
But then this person gave me a long convoluted story claiming she is a “neighbor” of the owner, and the owner has had a death in the family, a nephew with a car wreck, and surgery all in the last 5 days, and she was “looking after” Buddy. She claimed that she last saw Buddy on Saturday, even though Buddy was in my yard Friday at 7am. She claimed she had been looking hard for Buddy, but clearly she hadnt called the county animal shelter since I still haven’t heard from them, and they have a report from me from Saturday. I posted on most of the lost and found pet sites Friday night or Saturday. Both I and my HOA president drove by the entrance to her street Saturday/Sunday/Monday and there were no notices posted.
I told her I needed proof of ownership (I was warned by one of the lost pet sites to demand proof, because there are horrible people out there that claim lost dogs for nefarious purposes, such as dog fight bait). She was very taken aback. I told her I was out of town and would call her Fri/Sat after I got back.
Because I am naturally a skeptical person, and years of science courses only hardened that attitude, and I have spent the last 12 years working with a lot of WV RWNJ idiots, I tend to question everything.
I am somewhat suspicious that someone called the day after money was raised for a dog in Glenn Dale, MD. I am suspicious that the dog’s name is Buddy, which is mentioned in the fundraiser, but not on any of the lost pet sites I posted on. She didnt mention the fundraiser, but her story has inconsistencies and it worries me.
In any case, I have decided that I wont deal with her and insist the owner get in touch with me. I am going to check with the county tomorrow and see what they require when you try to claim a lost dog, and I will require the same. At the least I can tell the owner, I can always take Buddy to the shelter and then he will need to follow their rules anyway.
Any other advice?
Very important: IF BUDDY IS RETURNED TO HIS OWNER – I PROMISE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REFUND EVERYONE, SOMEHOW!!
PS: I apologize to those BJ who live in WV, but seriously, most of your fellow state residents are nuts!
amk
So far, Quist is outperforming Hillary in all counties while the thug is under performing twitler.
Jeffro
@Omnes Omnibus: Omnes, yes, it’s great that they like BB’s music. It really can help cross some boundaries, that’s for sure.
schrodingers_cat
@hovercraft: Neither do I.
Raoul
When I first saw the blog title, I thought the Tawny Toupee had weighed in again from his vast knowledge of USN aircraft carriers.
But this little shitshow (not so little for 1,000 workers, their families, and the retail and other businesses that rely on them) it is.
Shalimar
@amk: Missoula is the only strongly Dem part of the state. Quist has to perform well there to have a chance. It sounds so far like Gianforte did even better than expected in early voting, so election day votes are key. If this had been next Tuesday, I think Quist wins by quite a bit. With the assault only happening last night, there might be enough normally non-voters changing their schedules to vote against the criminal.
Jeffro
@efgoldman:
That’s true.
Perhaps it influences the other Villagers, gives them a bit of a jolt before they run off to do their both-sides reporting yet again? “Whoa – Gerson said ‘diseased’?” I don’t really understand how these folks think, but it was certainly out of the ordinary for such a mainstream milquetoast like Gerson to throw out there. Had to have caught the attention of others in his herd.
Steeplejack
@SiubhanDuinne:
I think he comes back on Sunday. The last scheduled meetings are on Saturday.
Omnes Omnibus
@hovercraft: Do you have any interest in/ connection to the 80s punk/alternative/indie scene? If not, you wouldn’t know. Previous comments from the person to whom the comment was addressed indicated that he did. Please don’t assume that a comment addressed at a specific person is an attack on you.
eclare
@bl: No, do not let her have Buddy. And as far as I’m concerned, if you don’t need the money raised, donate it to the animal charity Cole gives to, can’t remember the name at this time.
ETA: Sounds like you are taking the right steps, I would require vet records, any decent owner would have those.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: I shed a tear when he sang “A New England” at the Kirsty MacColl memorial concert
Oh, and yes I know who he is and love his oeuvre. Also, I am not a right wing nut job. As far as you know.
Raoul
47%/47%/6% right now in MT. Fivethirtyeight seem a bit discouraging. Hmmm.
SFAW
@Schlemazel:
I saw about five minutes of it, once, but I seem to recall the songs getting rated on a 100-point scale.
And for some reason, I actually recall one of the songs: “Morning Girl,” by Neon Philharmonic. Perhaps the greatest song ever produced.
By them, that is.
I think the kids gave it a 67.
Omnes Omnibus
@Jeffro: I think you are missing my point. They don’t listen to the words.
Raoul
@Jeffro: Well, you don’t know me.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jeffro:
Yeah, honestly, I never heard of him.
amk
@Shalimar: so far, quist is doing well also in gallatin and the twitler country lewis & clark. fingers crossed.
JMG
Quist is not even going to beat the spread. Not his fault, early votes went way against him. I advise all political reporters to carry a sock with three rolls of quarters stuffed in the end. Just in case.
Jeffro
@bl:
You could, or you could just donate the funds to a local shelter or other pet charity?
schrodingers_cat
@Steve in the ATL: Not all nutjobs are right wing.
SFAW
@schrodingers_cat:
Time to expand your horizons.
p.a.
In the original Russian, it was “We’re thrilled. He’s your idiot.”
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major: Have you seen the stories about Alamo Drafthouse having a “women only” screening of Wonder Woman and idiot man-boys totally losing their shit?
Steve in the ATL
@bl: yes, I demand the immediate return of my $25..I mean $250!
Per @eclare: I and probably most folks here would be happy for you to pass any extra cash along to a reputable animal charity. Such as the “good lord Steve in the ATL’s daughter’s English bulldog requires a ridiculous amount of care, unlike her dad’s golden retriever” fund.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL: He added a verse for her version of the song.
SiubhanDuinne
@schrodingers_cat:
Glad to know it’s not just me.
Steve in the ATL
@schrodingers_cat: Jill Stein 2020!!!111!!0
Shalimar
@amk: The twitter feeds that Vox told me to follow do not sound hopeful right now, but I’m still hoping there was a large turnout today that will be predominantly for Quist.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Even if they did, it’s unlikely they’d understand what he was talking about. As someone else noted (or hinted at), they think “Born in the USA” is an “America! Fuck Yeah!” song.
p.a.
@SFAW: don’t forget furrowed brows. scares fascists witless, those furrowed Senatorial brows.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: at her request! And in the video for the song, she is pregnant with the son she sacrificed her own to save. What a sad story. But omg was she talented.
joel hanes
@SenyorDave:
If you own an RV, chances are it was made in Elkhart
Forest City Iowa, where Winnebago and Itasca motor homes are designed and manufactured, begs to say “ahem”.
(In 1975/76, I worked on the Itaska chassis welding assembly line for nine months after the Army, before going back to college.)
Steve in the ATL
@SFAW: and they think “sweet home Alabama” is a pro-Alabama song
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Why would you? Shouting at you about it is like being the guy on you FB thread who went off the chain because I didn’t know much about a 12th century German lyric poet. I pointed you at a rather famous song that Bragg did. Like or don’t like. It is your choice. I don’t really like Berlioz.
Jeffro
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m pretty sure at #107 I said, “it’s great that they like BB’s music”. This is getting kind of silly, eh? We’re talking about wingnuts who for one reason or another love them some leftie artists/bands and I think we both agree that’s a good thing?
hovercraft
@Omnes Omnibus:
Relax, I wasn’t the least bit offended, and no, back then I was in love with MJ and Prince, R&B/Pop/Rap phase.
Ruckus
@SenyorDave:
Company I worked for had several trailers build by a mfg in Elkhart. Was told by the sales person that when the workers get fired, laid off or quit, that they just float from company to company as there are only so many companies. It’s almost totally dysfunctional. And the fortunes of the companies and the locals depend totally on the economy, when it’s good, sales are great, the moment it drops, sales plummet. You’d think the locals might just understand that a strong economy is very much in their best interest, working in an industry so tightly bound to it, but they don’t seem to have a fucking clue. So they vote republican and fuck themselves.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Omnes Omnibus
@Steve in the ATL:
Co-sign.
Jeffro
@Steve in the ATL:
Just as soon as she explains that RT dinner with Putin and Flynn, sure…;)
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Is he a point guard for the Nets? Or a wing for the Pens (or maybe the Preds)? I can never remember.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Wow.
p.a.
@bl: I certainly don’t need my modest contribution returned. If it’s not needed, I agree with others; find a worthwhile charity.
joel hanes
@bl:
IF BUDDY IS RETURNED TO HIS OWNER – I PROMISE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REFUND EVERYONE, SOMEHOW!!
Nah. Give it to a pet rescue shelter, as Cole did with the Tunch memorial funds.
Many of those places run on shoestrings; it’d be a big enough donation to make a real difference.
Omnes Omnibus
@hovercraft: Sorry, I didn’t mean to come off defensive.
Ruckus
@Steeplejack:
“Sorry about that,” with an extremely heavy undertone of sarcasm.
At the least.
FIXIT for you.
Honus
@bl: I’m a WV native. I agree. Wasn’t always that way.
SFAW
@Jeffro:
Yes, but at 107 you also wrote:
which is not unlike saying (coming from the other direction) that if one of us liked the (hypothetical) melody used for lyrics like “All you liberals fucking suck and we wish you would all fucking die,” it would “help cross some boundaries.”
Yes, I realize the (hypothetical) lyrics are a tad more extreme than Bragg’s; done that way to make the point a little more obvious.
SFAW
@p.a.:
That’s a McCain thing, I think. Don’t recall what Lindsey’s schtick is.
Steve in the ATL
@SFAW: Bragg has some hardcore pro-union songs, but I love him anyway! Don’t tell my boss, though. J/k–he once worked for Hillary. And the third lawyer on our team is gay. We have to be the most liberal management-side labor lawyers east of the Mississippi!
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: Based on your response, my comment was poorly worded. Your musical world and mine do not intersect much. There is no reason why you would know of someone like Billy Bragg. There are also is little reason that I would know of the lyric poet I got paired with by the FB quiz. The point that I was trying, and obviously failing, to make was that judging someone on that is inappropriate. My apologies if i conveyed any other message. And, yeah, the facebook guy hurt my feelings a bit.
Jeffro
@SFAW: Um, wut? I am not that deep, amigo. Not even close.
efgoldman
@Jeffro:
Don’t you contain multitudes?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@SFAW: Lindsey’s shtick is pearl clutching and fainting couches
Citizen Alan
@SenyorDave:
Am I a bad person because I desperately want Elkhart, Indiana to end up a deserted ghost town whose entire population consists of elderly white Republicans who bitch about Obama while standing in line at the food bank?
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
You are remembering something from Facebook that I have totally forgotten (or perhaps didn’t notice in the first place). Was it a recent discussion? Sorry if someone I (may or may not) know was offensive to you; I apologize on behalf of my friends.
It’s fine that our musical tastes don’t overlap much. I haven’t yet listened to the Billy Bragg link you provided, but I will. Maybe I’ll like it, maybe not, but I will give it a generous hearing. And in truth, although there are some things by Berlioz I enjoy listening to, he would overall probably not fall in my Top 50 list of composers.
Shake?
stinger
@joel hanes: “Like”
SFAW
@Jeffro:
What? No one else here was positing that liking Bragg’s music would somehow provide crossover opportunities for wingnuts. And Omnes was (I think) trying to point out that any “crossover opportunities” are illusory, since the RWNJs’ liking of BB is based on musical notes, not on his words/lyrics.
[For what it’s worth: I generally appreciate and agree with your comments. Just not this time.]
SFAW
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
A twofer! Outstanding!
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: I have no and never had a fight with you. The rest is no big deal.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
And you had best not, when she’s in her “Mob Enforcer” aspect
Omnes Omnibus
@SFAW: I got skilz and shit.
And I try not to provoke.
Mart
Was there any new news here? That Union guy calling foul and the twitler attacking him was a long time ago in terms of this regime.
rikyrah
Absolute suckers
rikyrah
@Citizen Alan:
You are not a bad person
Vhh
@Jeffro: Prion disease, from eating the brains of the corpses of Ronald Reagan, Henry Hyde, Robert Bartley,William Safire, Roy Cohn, George Wallace, Brent Bozell Jr, and Antonin Scalia.
SiubhanDuinne
@SFAW:
That’s only for special occasions. This doesn’t even come close.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Generating Rogs and Requests for Production is not what I’d exactly call “skilz.” Same for filing a Motion for Summary Judgment.
Of course, in a state where people think wearing a foam cheese-wedge on their heads is a badge of honor, I guess almost anything would get called “skilz.”
SFAW
@SiubhanDuinne:
Understood. I was just trying to shake up Omnes, so that it wouldn’t get to that stage.
efgoldman
@SFAW:
Does Omnes get shaken and not stirred?
SFAW
@efgoldman:
Oh, no, I ain’t going there. I learned my “don’t misquote Bond” lesson earlier today. (Well, Thursday.)
frosty
@Ruckus: I’ve heard that Xin Loi should be translated in Maxwell Smart’s voice as “Sorry ’bout that, Chief”. With the least amount of sincerity that can be mustered.
TriassicSands
Q: Will any member of the media ask Trump directly about the Carrier layoffs?
amk
chucky toady and his ilk, better watch out, twitler’s teanutz are coming for you also.
Jado
@Jeffro:
It’s red gold from Murgo, with all the associated dangers.