Here's how key Trump associates have been linked to Russia and how they misled officials https://t.co/JfnHy4q4Mg pic.twitter.com/KKkJHSrFul
— The New York Times (@nytimes) July 11, 2017
The NYTimes has posted an aggregated timeline with links to all their Russiagate stories, in case you want to forward something not-too-overwhelming to your Fox-curious acquaintances.
The Story Behind the Meeting Story by @Jo_Becker https://t.co/uIpn0ZfRw7
— Adam Goldman (@adamgoldmanNYT) July 11, 2017
TenguPhule
Washington Post is starting to fall behind. Step up your game, people! Don’t let the FYNYT win this!
jharp
That New York Times aggregated timeline really made me smile.
Baud
@TenguPhule: They will always be garbage to me.
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel about them.
kindness
But her e-mails!!!!11!!
Our side is going nutz about this. Republicans and particularly the Fox & Congressional side, they won’t care until they start losing important votes in Congress. Like if the TrumpCare never makes it out of the Senate and if the Tax Overhaul (moar tax cutz for gazillionaires) doesn’t happen, then Republicans will turn on the Donald. Because it won’t be that because the Republican proposals are so odious that they lose, it’ll all be Donald’s fault. I’ll be happy though.
JPL
The NYTimes did a great job connecting the dots this time, but let’s remember the reporting on Hillary’s emails was filled with innuendos and mistruths .
Baud’s right.
JMG
It’s a question of approach. Post scoops come from the outside in, Times scoops come from the inside out, from careful cultivation of Trunmp administration sources (Jared and Ivanka particularly). Both are valid means of reporting. But the Times will never give up the idea that as long as Trump voters love Trump, he’s invincible. Maggie Habermas, a very good reporter, is slinging that line in her twitter feed right now. Apparently, as long as 40 percent of Americans want fascism, that’s what we should get, rather than a Times reporter abandoning Olympian neutrality, that is, their belief they are superior beings.
Major Major Major Major
@kindness: totally agree with all this.
@JMG: to be fair if 40 percent of Americans want fascism I have no problem with them getting it.
Quinerly
OT…Meanwhile, the guy behind the New Black Panthers conspiracy theory is getting a new gig: https://www.thenation.com/article/meet-the-liars-and-conspiracy-theorists-on-trumps-election-integrity-commission/
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major:
And getting it good and hard?
debbie
@Baud:
In the spirit of looking forward, can you set that aside?
NotMax
OT for Adam:
Rake season 4 scheduled to show up on Netflix this weekend.
Off now to lose some hours in Azeroth.
Turgidson
@JPL:
And let’s also not forget, particularly in light of these revelations, how they tripped over themselves to make a nice, clean “Nope, nothing to see here” proclamation that Hair Furor’s Russia ties were totally no biggie. That, of course, came out at one of the several apexes of their ZOMG EMAILS hysteria.
I’m glad the NYT is trying to do some actual reporting on Hair Furor and his merry band of degenerates and crooks. But it won’t make me forget their disgraceful malpractice during Election ’16.
JPL
If you live in Iowa, please call Grassley’s office and ask WTF
thanks to kyle griffin on twitter
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: that’s how one tends to get fascism, yes.
schrodingers_cat
@debbie: I don’t know about Baud, but I will never forgive Vichy Times. T is their gift to us.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Turgidson
@JPL:
She…booked a flight? And presented a valid passport? What exactly is the mystery, unless she’s on the terror watch list or something.
TenguPhule
The Republican Party is a Terrorist Organization. No ifs, ands or buts.
This is not going to end well.
They will stand with him to the last man.
TriassicSands
@TenguPhule:
I know you hate the Times (wait, you’re not Baud), but I don’t care who gets “there” first as long as someone does. I don’t care if the Peninsula Daily News gets the Pulitzer, as long as Trump gets the shaft.
But you are right, this is the kind of thing that should get both newspapers working overtime to be first. Whatever is bad for Trump (in this context) is good for America (and most of the world).
tobie
@kindness: I think this is partially true. But I would add that a lot of Trump’s exurban and rural base will start to care when this administration’s disfunction and incompetence hits their pocketbooks. Having to shell out more money for healthcare will get to them. If the economy slumps, they will feel it and from what I’ve read the slump in new car sales and new home sales has some economists worried. They voted for Trump when the going was good and they could cavalierly send a big middle finger to “libs.” When the shit hits the fan, though, they suddenly want adults in charge. It’s painful to have to witness the adolescent attitude of large swaths of the population.
SiubhanDuinne
@TenguPhule:
I am truly happy to see this kind of healthy competition for scoops between WaPo and NYT (assuming, you know that the scoops are accurate and well-sourced). And I have faith in David Fahrenthold. I think he’s working the financial-tax returns-“charitable foundations” angle.
You get a Pulitzer, and you get a Pulitzer, and everybody gets a Pulitzer!
JPL
@Turgidson: She required a special visa, which was granted because she was representing a client here. I guess this is Grasley feeling bad for Don jr., because he was set up.
r€nato
@kindness: But his emails.
FTFY
Brachiator
@JMG:
This is probably true, but it has nothing to do with the Times’ reporting. Pundits and editors can bloviate about Trump’s invincibility or what Congress should do, but the reporters can only dig up the facts.
And even if they were told directly to bury the mutha, they can’t control the final outcome.
r€nato
“my son could collude with Russian spies to steal the election and tweet the evidence to the entire world, and I wouldn’t lose a single follower!”
Baud
The NYT isn’t going to change its reporting on Trump because we recognize they are garbage. Once our national nightmare is over, they will turn against Dems again with their bullshit.
TenguPhule
\-m-/
Terrorist Fist Bump Time!
Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog
For anyone who can’t stand to read the NYT anymore – it’s basically a timeline of their reporting. The events of the campaign they refer to are only loosely time-bound by phrases like “during the campaign” (each of which should be followed by “while The Times remained focused solely on Hillary Clinton’s emails, which would have been a non-story had they not been hers”).
If they would stop patting themselves on the back with both hands, it might improve their writing.
Brachiator
Also, too, good to know that Trump associates only misled officials. Imagine if they had lied, committed perjury, obstructed justice or committed acts of treason.
Suffragette City
I’m wondering what GW thinks of Ari Fleischer now that he’s a sycophant of Trump.
Baud
These on field interviews during the all Star game suck.
Quinerly
@JPL:
Like I said earlier, Hannity said Obama let her in in order to trick Trump Jr. This is an honest to Dog talking point that is all over the RWM since the story broke.
TenguPhule
It feels good to laugh.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
“Hey Laur! You got the TeeVee on? That li’l cue ball on CNN look familiar? Ah’ve seen him somewheres, Ah swear…”
(meanwhile on MSNBC, Chris Hayes lets Charlie Dent say that the Demorats rushed through Obamacare)
debbie
@Quinerly:
That is beyond insane.
Turgidson
@Suffragette City:
Maybe I’m giving GWB too much credit, but I doubt he ever saw Fleischer as more than a sniveling toady to power, willing to say and do whatever the powerful he found himself aligned with asked of him. And that was useful to Bush, so they had a productive relationship for a time.
TenguPhule
@debbie:
In general or did you have a more specific complaint?
Turgidson
@Quinerly:
Ah, the old “they couldn’t have [knowingly] committed that crime, they’re too fucking stupid!” defense. We’ll see how Mueller feels about that one, I suppose. It’s plenty sufficient to keep the GOP congressional delegation in their current state of awkward denial, of course.
Davebo
At this point Jared’s SF86 has more amendments than the US constitution and he’s still going!
TS
And the other two at the meeting who just wandered in – knew nothing about it – I’m late reading the emails
On 7 June 2016, at 17:16, Donald Trump Jr wrote:
How about 3 at our offices? Thanks rob appreciate you helping set it up.
D
On 7 June 2016, at 17:19, Rob Goldstone wrote:
Perfect…I won’t sit in on the meeting, but will bring them at 3pm and introduce you etc.
I will send the names of the two people meeting with you for security when I have them later today.
best
Rob
On 7 June 2016, at 18:14, Donald Trump Jr wrote:
Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.
Hard to even imagine the outcry if this related to anyone vaguely related in any way to the Obama administration. “I am not a crook” seems the likely next statement from someone in this family of would be Kings.
{Just in passing – small miracle if Chris Hayes doesn’t implode or have a heart attack with all this to fit into his show}
Baud
Ha! And now the US army has an ad about how they stop cyberattacks.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Turgidson: I have little use for Maureen Dowd, but for whatever reason she had the Bush family’s number early on and talked about what they were like– the WASP Corleones– loudly and publicly, and she always said they divided the world into family, peers and The Help, and Jim Baker was the only peer. I admit I bought into the old man’s bumbling patrician schtick and Barb’s slightly waspish WASP grandmother act for a long time, till I got a look at their son. Him, I got right away.
Steeplejack
That graphic up top is a little easy on Sessions. “Did not report conversations during his confirmation hearing”? He lied about his conversations with Russians and denied having any.
germy
@tobie:
Living among those people, hearing their opinions and seeing their online comments, I notice one rule: they always blame it on the liberal democrat party. Local or national level, the lib dems are obstructing the good work of the conservatives or raising taxes to help people who refuse to work or inventing pesky regulations to frustrate honest businessmen. I’ve yet to see any of them blame their troubles on dolt45 or the grand old party.
Jeffro
Maxine Waters on Twitter just now: “At this point, the NYT could release a voice message of Trump thanking Putin for services rendered and GOP would still say ‘nothing burger’ “
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: can’t edit, so:
ETA: I caught the tail end of a Nicole Wallace segment last week and she was giddily agreeing with something Savannah Guthrie had said by saying, “Even Bill Maher admits he exaggerated about George W Bush”, the whole “liberals cried wolf” thing. From Iraq to Sam Alito, those people can go fuck themselves.
Patricia Kayden
@debbie: Kind of hard to do since the NYT’s obsession with the email server non-scandal is partially why we’re here today dealing with Trump’s illegitimate regime.
debbie
@TenguPhule:
If you read the tweet I was reacting to, you would have your answer.
TenguPhule
@debbie: To be fair, this was not the insanest thing they’ve claimed this week. And its only Tuesday.
debbie
@Patricia Kayden:
Do you now disregard NYC’s reporting on Russia? Is there even a news source you agree with all of the time?
lamh36
@JPL: trying to lay groundwork for the usual “Blame Obama” defense the GOP likes to use for defense of Trump
danielx
@Major Major Major Major:
Nor me, as long as they get it somewhere else far, far away. Antarctica would do it.
Patricia Kayden
@JPL: Or Grassley trying to blame President Obama for letting the Russian temptress into the country.
lamh36
@IceManNYR Tucker throws a fit when Lt. Col. Ralph Peters calls him out for defending Putin and compares Tucker to Lindbergh’s comments on Hitler.
Patricia Kayden
@debbie: No. I read NYT’s coverage if they are linked to blogs I read. I just keep in mind what they have done to the Clintons for decades now.
Patricia Kayden
@lamh36: He should throw a fit so fierce that he loses consciousness. He needs the ratings after all.
MisterForkbeard
@TenguPhule: Might be nice if ours news media started with headlines like “Republicans shrug at Republican treason during election.”, instead of “opinions differ on whether Don Trump Jr. might have broken the law, maybe.”
NPR just posted an article with pretty much that title, including a subtitle on how it “raised questions”. In the body of the article, it cited Trump’s lawyer (who says he did nothing wrong) and a Democratic campaign finance lawyer, who says he did. There’s no judgment, no attempt to get an actual independent analysis of “he broke the law”. Even with this, they’re STILL treating it as a fucking horse race.
Turgidson
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’m hearing a lot of that, and it makes my blood pressure spike every time.
Just because Hair Furor and his dolt crime syndicate are way, way worse than Bush, and indeed, far worse than I used to imagine any administration could possibly be, doesn’t mean George W. Bush gets to retroactively be upgraded from the rank of “Colossal, near Catastrophic Fuckup” that he very much earned. He was the worst president certainly in modern history, if not all of American history. Just because Lord Smallgloves is so bad that he’s already stolen that crown away in just a few months, doesn’t make the Bush years any less of a calamity.
Central Planning
If that Russian lawyer wanted to talk about the McGuffin act (I know, it’s not McGuffin), why wouldn’t she also talk to the Clinton campaign about the same thing?
Won’t somebody think of those poor Russian parentless children!
TenguPhule
@MisterForkbeard:
Not anymore.
Patricia Kayden
@Turgidson: Wholeheartedly agree with you. I lived through the Bush years. He was awful and those were rough times for people here and abroad. Trump being a sleazy douche doesn’t retroactively make Bush over into a good guy. Nothing will rehabilitate Bush.
debbie
@lamh36:
What would Ronald Reagan say?
MisterForkbeard
@debbie: I know someone at work who will definitely be taking that line when I see him tomorrow. “It’s pretty clear he didn’t really do anything wrong, and Obama let her into the country.”
This same time last week, he was trying to make jokes about “Democrats think Trump is racist because he tweeted a picture of himself beating up CNN” and refused to believe that’s not what Democrats or the Press were worried about. I’ve known this guy for 6-7 years and we’re decent friends, but I almost flipped his enchiladas onto his face after he accused me of being a snowflake that couldn’t rationally debate anything because I hated Trump.
I think that’s the best/only thing they have right now: Lie about what’s happening, make stuff up, and try to get liberals angry. Which is satisfying on its own, but then they also get to accuse you of being emotional and compromised. Double win!
germy
@lamh36: I don’t remember… what Tucker so anti-war back in 2003 or is this a new development? Was he a vocal opponent of Bush 2’s iraq adventure?
Major Major Major Major
@TenguPhule: very funny read, thanks.
joel hanes
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
the old man’s bumbling patrician schtick
A disguise he perfected while still a Bonesman, and tremendously useful first at the CIA, and then as Reagan’s VP.
In reality GHWB was a brilliant behind-the-scenes operator; Iran-Contra breadcrumb trail points straight at his door until you get to the last two miles or so, at which point the trail mysteriously disappears completely, almost as if someone cleaned up verrry carefully after themselves.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@debbie: What would Ronald Reagan say?
I want someone to ask the senior Senator from Arizona what the first two (Admiral) John Sidney McCains would think about him twiddling his thumbs (with furrowed brow! and the occasional wry observation!) while a pawn of a Kremlin dictator sits in the White House.
MisterForkbeard
@TenguPhule: And yet, they still do the “Democrats and Republicans disagree” thing, as if there’s equal weight to each side just having a normal, reasonable disagreement.
TenguPhule
@Major Major Major Major: You’re welcome. Couldn’t be much prouder of my Senator.
debbie
@MisterForkbeard:
Tin hats as a metaphor just doesn’t seem adequate anymore.
GregB
Why do Trump Nothingburgers always taste like borscht?
Major Major Major Major
A Ghost to Most
Why is Pence not there?
FTFNYT
?BillinGlendaleCA
Obviously, the only reason the FTFNYT is covering this is because it has emails.
debbie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
He’s let his Obama Derangement Syndrome get the better of him.
gene108
@Quinerly:
I am fascinated by how all-in the right-wing media is about polishing the Trump turd. It’s not just Fox News, but right-wing radio, Christian radio stations, and pretty much everything in between.
I understand these are shameless partisan hacks, but they are really out doing it to try and explain how Trump is innocent and a victim of the Deep State, vindictive liberals, etc.
At some point Trump’s house of cards will come crashing down – it always does – and these guys may have finally gone far enough away from reality that the rest of the media finally learns to ignore them, and not react to every outrage ginned up by Fox News, James O’Keefe or whoever.
Major Major Major Major
@debbie: …some time around 2009.
Baud
@gene108: The GOP is frightened of only one thing and that is the possibility that white people will consider Democrats a viable option.
dexwood
@A Ghost to Most:
Because he has Presidential hair and the fucking NYT will always be the fucking NYT. As our next president Mr. Baud, wrote earlier, they will be back to attacking Democrats.
Yarrow
@Baud: Perhaps they will also become afraid of going to prison.
bago
@gene108: That’s hilarious. Donny Junior’s credibility has been ground down so far, he’s past the knuckle and bone. He’s like James Franco in 127 hours. The only thing he’s got left waving is humorous.
MisterForkbeard
@dexwood: Right. Might have been nice if they’d mentioned that Pence was notified repeatedly about Flynn and Russians and lied about it publicly, was brought on specifically by Manafort, and has been proven to have lied repeatedly in support of the rest of these Trump scandals.
debbie
@Major Major Major Major:
McCain turns out to be more petty and vindictive than Trump. I wouldn’t have thought that was possible.
Jeffro
Just a quick OT note: did you all know that the educated class, with its insistence on spending money and time with their kids and preparing them for college is “ruining America”?
per Brooksie:
…which is kind of funny, because he’s really just talking about his own rarified up-most layer of the status-sphere here.
There’s quite a few educated folks who would like nothing more than to bring all Americans along for the ride. Apparently not educated Republican folks: over half of them think that college is a bad thing for America (since a few of them have world-destroying ‘safe spaces’ and what not). But quite a few of us educated progressives sure do wish that all Americans could just, you know, go to college or learn a trade without drowning in debt. That doesn’t take a whole lot of ‘code’ knowledge to understand, does it David?
Gelfling 545
@Baud: It might never have come to this if the Times hadn’t decided HRC was Satan in a pantsuit.
Jeffro
Hello moderators – can I have my comment back please?
Quinerly
How RWM is covering the Trump Jr story….one outlet (Infowars) said Jr. was just doing his “job”…looking for Russian spies:http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/11/media/right-wing-media-donald-trump-jr-emails-russians/
Villago Delenda Est
@danielx: They should move to Russia. Or Saudi Arabia, for the holy roller types.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Baud: that and trump taking aim at their Senators, Flake and Heller especially
Major Major Major Major
@debbie: it’s my understand that his reputation was always bullshit, but I didn’t actually pay attention to him much until 2008.
lamh36
Joe’s becoming an “independent”, much like the other former GOP partisan hacks all over CNN/MSNBC…like Matt Dowd and the like…but still spout GOP talking points
https://media.giphy.com/media/c6YhpGxZH9hjq/giphy.gif
Quinerly
Dan Rather’s excellent Book of Faces post:https://m.facebook.com/theDanRather/posts/10158990651930716
Villago Delenda Est
@Gelfling 545: The Devil wears Prada.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Like, on a debate stage?
danielx
@Patricia Kayden:
Indeed, and why not? It’s not like frothing at the mouth has ever harmed the rep and ratings of conservative pundits and commentators.
debbie
@Major Major Major Major:
Compared to the likes of Thurmond, Newt, and Helms, he seemed reasonable, but 2008 really brought out his meanness.
Anne Laurie
@Jeffro: Done. Pro tip: FYWP has decided that anything longer than about five paragraphs must be spam, so y’all need to learn to paraphrase if you don’t wanna end up in moderation.
(Sure, I’m one to talk, but *I* have the backstage keys!)
Jim, Foolish Literalist
In 2001, there were rumors that McCain was in talks to jump the fence, then Jim Jeffords did it and stole all the headlines and no way was Punk McCain gonna look like he was following some pencil-neck from New England (then 9/11 and war and no way was he looking back). There was an article at the time that I’ve looked for and can’t find, containing a quote from an anonymous GOP source (I now wonder if it was Rick Wilson) who said, that Dems were welcome to him and that Washington’s dirty little secret was that the professional War Hero was actually kind of dumb. I’d say subsequent events have borne that out.
WaterGirl
@Major Major Major Major: @debbie: : Any politician who is willing to call his wife a c#nt in public has serious anger issues, not to mention the hostility toward women.
Raoul
“Now people close to the president and to his legal effort are engaged in a circular firing squad, anonymously blaming one another for the decisions of the last few days.”
I know we have a loooong way to go, but this gives me a glimmer of hope.
Steeplejack
@MisterForkbeard:
So there are “clouds” and “shadows”?
different-church-lady
@Raoul: The very fact that there’s a long way to go is a good reason to hope. This thing is very deep. The deeper it goes, the better the chance we have that it won’t happen again right away.
WaterGirl
@Raoul: Is it wrong that I am hoping they are not using rubber bullets?
debbie
@WaterGirl:
Absolutely agree.
MisterForkbeard
@Steeplejack: Well sure, but not nearly as concerning as a transparent charitable foundation.
debbie
@different-church-lady:
It took 800-some days to get Nixon out of there.
WaterGirl
@debbie: Shorter me: He’s a total fucking pig.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
Does Don Jr’s lawyer have him tied to a chair yet? He really needs to explain to Donny the difference between “denial” and “confession.” The problem is that both are three syllables too long for Junior to understand.
different-church-lady
@Baud: Everyone’s talking about what’s wrong with baseball. Fox is one of the major things wrong with baseball, and nobody talks about it.
BUCK: “Has the excitement gone out of the game now that it doesn’t count for home field advantage?”
HARPER: “Hell no!”
ME: “You tell ’em Bryce!”
Yeah, Buck, nice try. Your network got into Selig’s head, he came up with a dopey idea, and we had to wait 15 years for him to retire before we could get rid of it.
Raoul
And jeebus freakin’ christmas, Kushner’s legal team amended his SF-86 after reviewing his emails for the Mueller inquiry. Not Kushner coming forward because he suddenly remembered something that had gone foggy. Not a ‘whoops’ how did I misremember that.
His legal team realized he was toast and did the update.
He has to go down with this ship!
different-church-lady
@Quinerly: So, their defense is entrapment in the second degree?
Steeplejack
@Anne Laurie:
That looks like a new problem. Jeffro’s blockquote is not very long—only three paragraphs. I have successfully posted ones much longer than that in the past, but not recently. I will make a note to mention it to Alain. Perhaps you could do so as well in the back office.
different-church-lady
@Suffragette City: Trump could really use Fleicher. He’s an utterly shameless liar, and extremely good at it. The administration is filled with bullshitters, but the spokesman’s job is one for a liar, not a bullshitter.
schrodingers_cat
OT Question for the hive mind
I am applying for my passport, wondering if I should get a passport card too. What purpose does it serve?
Jeffro
@Anne Laurie: Noted and thanks!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: I imagine Bob Meuller in a conference room with Hannity on a TV, taking notes, and during a commercial break, turning to an aide, also taking notes, and saying “This Hannity fellow doesn’t seem much brighter than our suspect”
ETA: @schrodingers_cat: IIRC from renewing a couple years ago, those are good for Canada and Mexico only
MisterForkbeard
@schrodingers_cat: I’d also love to know. I need to get a new passport soon.
EDIT: Just looked it up. Basically, it’s small form-factor passport that you can only use to ENTER the US, and only for specific methods such as ports and land-crossings in Mexico and Canada. Can’t be used for flights.
Omnes Omnibus
@different-church-lady: Say what you want about him as commissioner, but Wisconsin sports fans will always have soft spot for him both for his fight to keep the Braves in Milwaukee and his bringing baseball back with the Brewers.
ETA: Selig, that is.
Baud
@schrodingers_cat: I don’t think you need both. The card is for Canada and Mexico travel, but a passport works also.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: I understand that the card is sufficient for Canada and Mexico. And, if you look suspiciously foreign (and you know what I mean by that), it is proof of citizenship that you can have with whenever you have your wallet.
different-church-lady
@MisterForkbeard: The best way to win an argument with a wingnut is to deny him the competition. “Sorry, but I’m not listening to your BS anymore,” and leave. Nothing wounds them more than denying them a chance to troll.
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
Has the All-Star game ever been exciting?
frosty
@schrodingers_cat: Passport card is a cheaper way to get back and forth from Mexico and Canada than a passport. Other than that, it’s easy to carry everywhere.
However, after reading all the deportation news, I feel like I should get one for my adopted (and naturalized) son born in Bolivia. I have a bad feeling a driver’s license wouldn’t cut it if ICE decided he didn’t belong here.
But maybe it’s just me being paranoid.
MisterForkbeard
@different-church-lady: I was about 5 seconds from just getting up and leaving, and telling him he was so delusional I didn’t ever want to discuss politics with him again.
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: I used to enjoy the sight of the stars having a good time before “this time it COUNTS!” made it all grim and joyless.
The 1999 game at Fenway had a special crackle for some unusual reasons.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I imagine Bob Mueller has taken the rest of the week off, because his job is doing itself for him.
Doug R
@tobie: New homes are too heinously expensive anywhere anyone wants to live and smart buyers can sense car sales are about to make a quantum shift to electric in the next decade.
Iowa Old Lady
@Turgidson: I thought I’d read she entered the US just recently so I’ve been poking around google. One source said she was in the US as part of a fraud case involving a Russian businessman. Grassley’s office issued a statement saying her visa expired January 7, 2016 and her request for an extension was denied. Here’s her account of how she got permission for entry:
different-church-lady
@MisterForkbeard: You’ll get another chance, I’m sure. The key to it is do not show any anger.
Steeplejack
@schrodingers_cat:
Convenient for entry at land crossings and at seaport entries from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean and (maybe) Bermuda. You probably should get one, especially since you live close to Canada. More here.
Raoul
In other (good!) news, two state legislative special election races in Oklahoma — yep, deep red Oklahoma! — just flipped. Two solid R seats (one House, one Senate) went Dem today. This isn’t watched with the attention of say Ossoff or Thompson US House races, but campaign level folks will be noticing this. Wow.
Flop sweat, GOP. Flop sweat!
Baud
@Raoul: Nice. Every seat counts.
lamh36
different-church-lady
WINTER: “We had NO CONTACT with any Russians.”
SPRING: “OK, we had a LITTLE contact with some Russians. Here and there. I mean, who doesn’t?”
LAST WEEK: “Fine, so we had a lot of contact with the Russians. But we didn’t want it and it was all TOTALLY INNOCENT!”
TODAY: OK. FINE, we WANTED to have contact with the Russians. But they refused to give us the dirt we asked for, so NO FOUL!!!
TOMORROW: ?
Raoul
@frosty: There is some reason to be paranoid about that (wish it weren’t so). I’d pop for the extra 30 bucks in that situation.
debbie
@WaterGirl:
I can’t remember. Was that during 2008 or was it before he ran for President?
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: So far no one has asked me for my GC even at an airport. I blend in.
ETA: The card seems to be a good idea though. I do go to Canada often. May be if I travel to the South or the Midwest it may be good to have it in my pocket.
MisterForkbeard
@different-church-lady: That’s the hard part. I’m basically fed up with trolls at this point – people who make it their job to make the lives of others worse purely for their own amusement are.. I’m having a hard time explaining why this is so repugnant to me. But after Trump, I’m basically done with it. They don’t get a benefit of the doubt any longer.
Villago Delenda Est
@Steeplejack: NPR is utterly worthless. They should all hang from the same gallows as the members of the Trump Crime Syndicate.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
No offence to you, my friend, or to any other Brewers fans or Wisconsinites, but I loathe, detest, and pee-purely hate Bud Selig, and by extension, the Brewers. Everything bad that has happened to baseball in the past decade or two has been proposed or enacted under his Commissionership. You cannot reason with me on this, so please don’t even try. I am emotional, reactionary, stubborn, and immovable on the issue of Bud Selig. Hell, I can’t even type his name without getting shit all over the keyboard. I can’t say his name in my mouth without sulphurous flames toasting my tongue. I hate him I hate him I hate him.
You doin’ okay?
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: All it takes is one asshole. And the Canada/Mexico aspect is cool. Next time I renew, I am getting one.
WaterGirl
@debbie:
Such
an adorable mavericka pig.Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: The Brewers are leading their division by 5 1/2 and that makes my mom very happy. That is enough for me. What I will concede about Selig is that he, as commish, was a classic example of the Peter Principle.
ETA: As far as doing okay, my Saab is officially dead and I am in a dispute with the insurance company about the size of the check they will give me. I want enough to buy another Saab that just hit the market – perfectly clean, one owner (a school teacher who did all maintenance at the dealer who she traded it back to), and manual 6-speed.
Steeplejack
@WaterGirl:
Source?
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Just curious… are you planning getting both or getting the card instead of the regular passport?
I have to renew my passport soon, also.
WaterGirl
@Steeplejack: Hi Steep! I figured no one would really care, so I was being lazy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/07/report-mccains-profane-ti_n_95429.html
Jeffro
@schrodingers_cat: Just get both…no down side to having both…
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@WaterGirl: From Game Changer
germy
@Steeplejack: I copied and pasted the first sentence of the article into a commonly-used search engine and the first link was HuffPo.
germy
@WaterGirl: Pence would never talk to Mother like that.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Both. The regular for escaping to Paris. The other for Canada related emergency travel. It depends on how quickly the Trumpys discover the real identity of the freedom fighter known as Omnes Omnibus.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m happy your mom is happy. For me, it’s not even a matter of the standings. I just detest them, full stop. I would root for the Fucking New York Fucking Yankees over the Brewers, and that’s saying a lot.
As for cars, I believe back in the 1960s I was promised I would have a jetpack-hovercraft by the early 21st century. Futurists, I’m still waiting.
debbie
@WaterGirl:
Thanks. Worse than a pig.
WaterGirl
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He seems nice.
edit: Who votes for these people??????
(besides nearly my entire extended family, who are otherwise intelligent thoughtful people. The mind boggles.)
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: I just mourn my Saab. It may seem weird, but It is like losing a pet.
Steeplejack
@WaterGirl:
Get both. The card is a nice extra, but it’s very limited.
schrodingers_cat
@Omnes Omnibus: What happened to your Saab?
WaterGirl
@germy: That was so good that I am still laughing!
Hey, I just saw the long long long timeline you posted in a thread from earlier this week. Did you make that yourself? Yikes, I couldn’t get all the way through it in one sitting. Amazing.
J R in WV
@TenguPhule:
FTFY Baud…!! ;-)
germy
@WaterGirl: No, I posted the link in the following comment.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: @Steeplejack: I think I will, thanks.
WaterGirl
@germy: I already closed that tab. Of course I did!
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodingers_cat: Water damage. During a downpour while driving on a road the was undergoing maintenance, I drove into some standing water (I know not to do that – it did not look any different than the road surface). Ins. Co called it dead. Since I had it towed to a mechanic i trusted, I asked him and he said that while it could be fixed it could never again be considered reliable. Water damage to electronics can manifest months later.
germy
@WaterGirl:
http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m sorry about your Saab. Sad to lose a car you love. The one car I loved the most saved my life (accident with a semi) totaling itself in the process. It was a sporty black Suburu, nothing like the current models. What a great car.
J R in WV
@lamh36:
Well, I couldn’t stand to listen to that whole video, but Tucker really is equivalent to Lindberg back in the late 1930s. And his reaction to his “guest” – by comparing the guest’s columns in support of the second Iraqi war, the most excellent war of GW Bush – to Tucker’s support of a treasonous monster and his “administration” was amazing, and hysterical.
What a despicable piece of offal Tucker is. And the ex-military guy he was talking with, I’ll give him some credit for going where he did, and not backing down. No Trump indeed!
Manyakitty
@Omnes Omnibus: A manual 6-speed my preferred transmission. They’re getting tough to find.
Laura
@lamh36: I’m on pins and needles for Driftglass’ next post in which he calls out JoeScar’s attempted getaway from the Republican crime scene by claiming he never ever heard of the Trump fellow and those crazy Republicans when he had a hand in building this party and their current Frankenstein’s monster.
Omnes Omnibus
@Manyakitty: When I bought the Saab, I was married to a non-manual driver. The manual on the possible replacement is a plus in my mind. I will never mention it in negotiations though. “Sigh, I can live with it, I guess.”
J R in WV
@Major Major Major Major:
There is a very good reason Senator McCain’s father AND grandfather were both Admirals, and Senator McCain was not, and would never be. He was incompetent at being a Naval officer. Even with two admirals pushing his career, he was never going to make flag rank, because the boards that select flag officers knew he was an incompetent boob.
WaterGirl
@germy: Thank you! I had never seen that blog but the writing is compelling. I left it open in a browser window so I can read more tomorrow.
Steeplejack
@WaterGirl:
Not breaking your balls and requiring a link, but even just a text mention of the source gives people a place to look or, what is more common, a basis on which to judge the information.
@germy:
Thank you for pointing out the bleedingly obvious. I get that. But why should it be the responsibility of dozens or perhaps hundreds of readers to laboriously hunt down the source of the quote when it would take the poster only a few seconds to provide a link or, even easier, a mention of the source?
Let me dumb it down for you, since you are one of the prime offenders here and appear to have the superpower of being able to copy and paste massive amounts of text but a near-complete inability to bring along a link or mention a source.
In one of the threads earlier today, someone mentioned that Vox or Jezebel or someone had done a satire (not very good, as it turned out) of a David Brooks column. Snippets were posted. Several people read bits of the satire, assumed that they were from Brooks’s column and commenced the usual anti-Brooks sneering. But, since links were provided, it was easy to click and see what came from the satire and what Brooks actually said. Confusion and misinformation were cleared up.
Look, it’s popular here to say that the New York Times is garbage and that the “mainstream press” is useless and should just die. Maybe that’s true. But, as we move into a more free-form, self-curated media environment, it is going to be all the more important to know where “information” comes from. I’m going to look at a story differently depending on where it comes from. How much can I trust the source without cross-checking? What’s their track record? How serious are they? I calibrate differently depending on whether the source is, say, Talking Points Memo, Slate or GOPdump69.com.
I value Balloon Juice not only for the recipes, pet pictures and Cole outbursts but as an aggregator site for news of the day and topics I might not run across on my own. And that is significantly impeded when people rush in with “hot takes” or “breaking news” items with no clue as to their source. It makes them almost useless, in fact, which is why it gets on my nerves.
I have explained all of this to you before. Apparently the idea of letting people know where your nuggets come from is some kind of mortal affront to your sovereign bloggy rights. God forbid that you have to say something like: “From HuffPo: [blockquote].” Much better that anyone—everyone—who is actually interested in what the fuck you’re posting should jump through a few hoops to find the source so they can evaluate, read more or even become better informed.
J R in WV
@schrodingers_cat:
No purpose I can find, less bulky, no good for foreign travel. I guess as a naturalized person, it would be good if ICE pulls you over, to have it next to your driver’s license.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: I agree that one should link or explain why linking is impossible (I have no idea how to link from my IPhone).
ETA: I have been shitty with people about this before.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Oh, dear. My deepest condolences. I’m not currently a big “car guy,” but I have been at times in the past, and I know what a kick in the guts it is when a trusty ride goes down. Ugh.
The schoolteacher’s Saab sounds like a good prospect. Hope you’re able to make that happen. Model and year?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@schrodingers_cat: My wife is a naturalized citizen and a POC(Korean) and is planning on renewing her passport to travel to Korea(if it’s still there) next year with her daughter. I’ve advised both of them to get a passport card since it’s a small form of ID that proves you’re a citizen.
@frosty: No, you’re not being paranoid.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: Same model (9-3), one year newer. Higher mileage, but Saabs tend to be garage queens or be nearly bulletproof. This one has had only routine maintenance and normal repairs. One hopes it works out.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus: Sorry to hear about the verdict on your beloved Saab, may it RIP. I went through the same thing on my B-day when my Jetta died.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
“One year newer.” So what year, then?
germy
@Steeplejack:
If that makes it easier for you, go right ahead.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: 2007. Updated interior.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
To be clear, I’m not even asking for that. I realize that not everyone’s link-fu is good. Just a mention—“saw this on the CNN site this morning”—would be helpful.
Steeplejack
@Omnes Omnibus:
Cool. Hope you get it.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack: So do I. Thanks. As a lawyer boy, I can drag out talks for a while. With the end result of, “just give me the number I want (which we both know is high but not unreasonable) and I will stop being a pain in your ass by raising every little thing.” While we are solving this, I have a rental.