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You are here: Home / Economics / C.R.E.A.M. / Tuesday Morning Schadenfreude Open Thread: Never Give the Son-in-Law A Real Job

Tuesday Morning Schadenfreude Open Thread: Never Give the Son-in-Law A Real Job

by Anne Laurie|  September 12, 20174:55 am| 173 Comments

This post is in: C.R.E.A.M., Domestic Politics, Open Threads, Russiagate, Trump Crime Cartel, Assholes, Fucked-up-edness

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Trump can’t even screw up like a normal grifter. Be interesting if the key to breaking the Trump Crime Cartel’s grip turns out to be that 1950s comedy figure, the Otherwise Unemployable Idiot Son-in-Law. Per the Washington Post:

A small group of White House lawyers this summer urged that President Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner step down from his White House role amid a broadening probe into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russians in the 2016 election, according to multiple people familiar with the discussion.

Some of the lawyers worried that the presence of Kushner, a senior adviser with a broad domestic and foreign policy portfolio, created potential legal complications for Trump, while the probe threatened to limit Kushner’s ability to perform his job, these people said.

Kushner had several interactions with Russian officials in the campaign and transition that have drawn interest from investigators, and some White House lawyers warned that even casual discussions between him and Trump could spark additional scrutiny.

The debate, first reported Monday night by the Wall Street Journal, took place before a July shake-up of the legal team. The idea to press Kushner to leave was ultimately rejected.

In a statement Monday night, White House lawyer Ty Cobb blamed the disclosure of the internal debate on former White House staffers seeking to tarnish Kushner, who Cobb described as “among the President’s most trusted, competent, selfless and intelligent advisers.”…

Of course, in the Trump White House, “most trusted, competent, selfless and intelligent” is not exactly a high bar, is it?

… Cobb declined to say which former staffers he believed were trying to undermine Kushner. Former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon, who was dismissed last month, had been a rival to Kushner in the West Wing. Bannon did not respond to requests for comment…

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Apart from stifling our snarky guffaws — or not! — what’s on the agenda for the day?

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173Comments

  1. 1.

    Brachiator

    September 12, 2017 at 5:33 am

    White House lawyer Ty Cobb? What did senior counsel Babe Ruth think?

    Trump was intent on bringing his family into the White House as his most trusted inner circle. Could he function at all without them?

  2. 2.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 5:45 am

    @Brachiator:

    Could he function at all without them?

    Do you have to ask?

  3. 3.

    NotMax

    September 12, 2017 at 5:47 am

    Has commenter Ajabu checked in at all? IIRC, he’s based in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

  4. 4.

    p.a.

    September 12, 2017 at 5:48 am

    @Brachiator:

    What did senior counsel Babe Ruth think?

    To quote former Red Sox gm, the late Lou Gorman,

    , “The sun will rise, the sun will set, and I’ll have lunch.”

    Also too, my agenda today…

  5. 5.

    Raven

    September 12, 2017 at 5:51 am

    Just got power back after 12 hrs.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    September 12, 2017 at 5:57 am

    @Raven

    Good to hear. Although that also might mean nothing fresh out of the oven at the bakery.

  7. 7.

    Raven

    September 12, 2017 at 5:59 am

    @NotMax: yea I don’t suspect they’ll open

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 6:07 am

    Good Morning,Everyone ???

  9. 9.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 6:07 am

    @Raven:
    Good news

  10. 10.

    MomSense

    September 12, 2017 at 6:10 am

    The one time I didn’t wake up at 3am and browse twitter when I couldn’t sleep, the official account of Sen. Ted Cruz liked a porn video.

  11. 11.

    efgoldman

    September 12, 2017 at 6:13 am

    @Brachiator:

    Could he function at all without them?

    Can he function/is he functioning with them?

  12. 12.

    eclare

    September 12, 2017 at 6:25 am

    @MomSense: Hehehe, just googled, some funny responses out there! Kimmel already had one up.

  13. 13.

    eclare

    September 12, 2017 at 6:26 am

    @Raven: Glad to hear, esp with your friends there.

  14. 14.

    Ben Cisco

    September 12, 2017 at 6:31 am

    White House lawyer Ty Cobb

    Am I reading this right?

  15. 15.

    MomSense

    September 12, 2017 at 6:41 am

    @eclare:

    So funny. Can’t wait to hear how he tries to explain this.

  16. 16.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    September 12, 2017 at 6:49 am

    @MomSense:
    “My account was hacked”
    “The staffer responsible has been fired”
    “The staffer responsible for firing the staffer has been fired”

  17. 17.

    bystander

    September 12, 2017 at 6:55 am

    I like the tie-in to 9/11. That Ted!

  18. 18.

    MomSense

    September 12, 2017 at 6:57 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym:

    Sadly for Ted, his college roommate is also on twitter. Craig Mazin is enjoying this.

  19. 19.

    Raven

    September 12, 2017 at 6:59 am

    @MomSense: yea I had just finished the red beans and rice and the collards and did the salmon on the gas grill in the storm! The women’s made pies so it was a candlelight dinner,

  20. 20.

    Aleta

    September 12, 2017 at 7:01 am

    @MomSense: “God never gives me more than I can handle.”

  21. 21.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:02 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning.

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 7:08 am

    @Aleta: He only does that to other people.

  23. 23.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:11 am

    @MomSense: In an ironic display of good taste, the purveyor of the porn video blocked Ted Cruz.

  24. 24.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    September 12, 2017 at 7:14 am

    Dodgers just lost their 11th game in a row and 15 of their last 16.

    There’s just something really compelling about a train wreck.

  25. 25.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:15 am

    The NYTimes is till flogging Trump funding the government for 3 months as a monumental achievement:

    Was President Trump’s bipartisan hurricane relief/debt ceiling/government funding deal last week simply a “bipartisan moment,” as the House speaker, Paul Ryan, put it? Probably, given this president’s pattern of poor impulse control and of reverting to base politics. But it’s tempting nevertheless to imagine what Mr. Trump might achieve if he could see beyond momentary, tactical wins. Hints of bipartisan consensus are popping up in Congress around enough significant issues to suggest that a determined, strategically minded president — yes, we know, but bear with us — could strike a number of
    important deals.

    They lower standards every day for this President.

    If Donald Trump had a policy agenda besides racism and being an asshole, it was infrastructure. He said he would do infrastructure. He has not done one thing. It’s as if Obama had ignored health care.

  26. 26.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:17 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: It’s like Cleveland stole their mojo.

  27. 27.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:18 am

    @Kay: The NYT is garbage.

  28. 28.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 7:19 am

    Robert Randolph and the Family Band- Voodoo Chile.

    You won’t be sorry you went there.

  29. 29.

    debbie

    September 12, 2017 at 7:19 am

    @Kay:

    Even more tempting to Trump is the power to fuck with his “enemies.”

  30. 30.

    MomSense

    September 12, 2017 at 7:23 am

    @Raven:

    I know where I’m going next time there’s a weather disaster. Sounds wonderful.

  31. 31.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 7:25 am

    @Kay:
    The curve for unqualified White Men is REAL ?

  32. 32.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:28 am

    @Baud:

    I’m hoping Democrats have a plan to block the huge tax cuts they’re all promoting. If they don’t, that inequality graph with the 2 lines we’re all sadly familiar with will continue to widen. Then it really gets scary. If that downward cycle gets locked into the tax code the best future President in the world won’t be able to reverse it. It won’t matter how many safety net ideas are proposed or created or saved- there won’t be any money to fund them. Trump’s monied backers know this.

  33. 33.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:30 am

    @Kay: I don’t think the red state senators can say no to tax cuts. But if it’s filibusterable I think it will be filibustered.

  34. 34.

    MomSense

    September 12, 2017 at 7:32 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Love that song.

  35. 35.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 7:32 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Meanwhile the Cards who have spent most of the season treading water have finally decided to play ball, winning 8 of their last ten and most recently sweeping Pittsburgh.

  36. 36.

    Brachiator

    September 12, 2017 at 7:34 am

    @Kay:

    .The NYTimes is till flogging Trump funding the government for 3 months as a monumental achievement

    Actually, it does more than that. The Times is trying to flex its muscle as the voice of the political establishment.

    Here are a few areas where capital insiders believe progress is possible

    Who the fuck are these people?

    Some people moan that the Times isn’t liberal or progressive enough. The newspaper never was either of those things. The political journalism is a joke. And its official editorial position is beyond idiotic. They don’t have a fucking clue.

    They are looking for Trump to pivot towards moderation. Hell, he can’t even pivot towards rationality.

    And the story that isn’t being written is about exactly who these people are who are trying to get Trump to act as though he really were president and not joker in chief.

  37. 37.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 7:35 am

    Seriously, Jared Kushner was the best potential husband princess Ivanka could land? She couldn’t have picked a guy much wealthier, more attractive and more intelligent than her?

  38. 38.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:37 am

    @debbie:

    But it’s always been a team effort, right? Donald Trump and NY media? He pretends to attack them and they pretend to disapprove of him. It works out well for both sides of this charade. It’s about power – it elevates both sides and makes Trump and media the story. They’re the power players, locked in a fake battle. The rest of us just watch.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:38 am

    @bemused: He is pretty wealthy.

  40. 40.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:39 am

    @Brachiator:

    Here are a few areas where capital insiders believe progress is possible

    And when it fails to occur, it will be the Dems fault.

  41. 41.

    Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes

    September 12, 2017 at 7:40 am

    I’m positive that the “like” is real. A hacker would have gone full fetish or gay. That one was boring, like Ted…

  42. 42.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 7:41 am

    @Kay:

    If that downward cycle gets locked into the tax code

    There is no such thing as a “permanent tax cut” anymore than there is a “permanent tax hike”.

  43. 43.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:41 am

    @Baud:

    I’m sympathetic to Democratic Senators in tough states for Democrats. It really is hard to win and keep their seat. I’m sometimes amazed they try at all, given how expensive and awful and time-consuming running for office is.

    So- them I will forgive. I hope they have the numbers without them, because they have to block those tax cuts or nothing else will matter. They have to start reversing income inequality. That gap can’t continue to widen.

  44. 44.

    satby

    September 12, 2017 at 7:42 am

    @rikyrah: Good morning ?

  45. 45.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:44 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    There is though, because anyone who tries to raise it will meet ferocious resistance. They don’t care if poor people do or don’t get health care. What they care about is paying for it.

  46. 46.

    Steve in the ATL

    September 12, 2017 at 7:44 am

    @Raven: our power was out for almost half an hour, and we have leaves down everywhere. No trees or branches down, just leaves. Despite all this, my friends and family in Florida and savannah are making it all about them and their supposed flooding and weeks without power. Selfish bastards.

  47. 47.

    debbie

    September 12, 2017 at 7:44 am

    @Kay:

    I think the Post and Daily News are less fawning than the NYT, but you do have a point.

  48. 48.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:51 am

    @debbie:

    It isn’t “fawning” so much as it benefits both sides because it makes “both sides” the star of the show. It’s like a professional wrestling match. By picking them as his “opponent” he takes them onto a stage and behind a rope, but no one really gets hurt.

    They could have done investigative reporting on Trump’s sleazy business dealings at any time in his 50 year career if they wanted to “expose” him. They didn’t.

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 7:51 am

    @Kay:

    There is though

    No Kay. Nothing is ever “permanent”. I’m as pessimistic as anyone, but even I know that nothing is forever.

  50. 50.

    Eric S.

    September 12, 2017 at 7:52 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m never sorry to listen/ watch Robert Randolph.

  51. 51.

    bystander

    September 12, 2017 at 7:55 am

    @bemused: Marrying Jared never made sense unless Ivanka realized how highly leveraged her father’s business was and simultaneously bought the PR about what a wunderkind Jared is. Oh wait…

  52. 52.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 7:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Eventually, the sun will explode.

  53. 53.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 7:59 am

    @debbie:

    Here’s what I thought would happen. When it became clear that Trump was going to be the GOP nominee I thought “boy, he has no idea what he’s in for because they are going to look into Trump Inc and he’s sleazy and dirty as hell”.

    That never happened. They never did the investigation. The best we got was the WaPo investigation into the foundation. The foundation is bullshit. No one cares about that. That’s minor sleaze.

    You know who is finally vetting Donald Trump? The NY attorney general and Mueller. It’s like the opposite of Watergate. It’s as if the Watergate reporters had said “well, I’m sure the authorities will look into this at some point”. It went all the way to law enforcement, to what could be criminal acts. He’s President! How in the HELL did he get a pass that long?

  54. 54.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 8:01 am

    @Eric S.: I Don’t Know What You Come To Do.

  55. 55.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 8:04 am

    @Baud: And DEMs will get the blame.

  56. 56.

    raven

    September 12, 2017 at 8:05 am

    @Steve in the ATL: Our Ft Myers peeps are trying to figure out when they can go back.

  57. 57.

    Cheryl Rofer

    September 12, 2017 at 8:05 am

    I keep saying we need to look at the sources for these stories. Carol Leonnig at the Washington Post does not disappoint.

    In a statement Monday night, White House lawyer Ty Cobb blamed the disclosure of the internal debate on former White House staffers seeking to tarnish Kushner, who Cobb described as “among the President’s most trusted, competent, selfless and intelligent advisers.”

    A few paragraphs later:

    Cobb declined to say which former staffers he believed were trying to undermine Kushner. Former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon, who was dismissed last month, had been a rival to Kushner in the West Wing. Bannon did not respond to requests for comment.

  58. 58.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 8:06 am

    @Kay: Rich white privilege?

  59. 59.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 8:06 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Ain’t that the truth?

  60. 60.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 8:07 am

    @raven: I missed the original comment. Are they your family?

  61. 61.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 12, 2017 at 8:09 am

    @NotMax: Several Caribbean islands were badly damaged by Hurricane Irma. Hope he is safe in the Virgin Islands.

    @Kay: To be honest, it’s obvious by now that for the MSM, there are no standards to which Trump must adhere. He can just do whatever he wants on a whim and they’ll figure out how to normalize it. It’s almost as if they don’t care that Trump is not a popular president and lacks a mandate and has signed no significant legislation after 8 months in office.

  62. 62.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 8:09 am

    @debbie:

    We had a sleazy business person run for county commissioner in 2016. He’s basically a slum lord. He also owns a pizza place/convenience store where no one “works” because he hires desperate people and pays them under the table. They’re openly dealing drugs in there. He’s had not one but two suspicious fires at his falling-down rental properties. So he had to run GOP here and they made sure he lost the primary but he got on as an independent. I asked Republicans what happens if he wins and they assured me his business issues would immediately become public and he would never be seated.

    That to me is what happened here except it’s the President of the United States and no one did anything. A county commissioner had a rougher road. That’s what The Establishment does. They call a halt before it goes off the rails. It’s the whole fucking point of having them.

  63. 63.

    Steve in the ATL

    September 12, 2017 at 8:09 am

    @raven: yeah, you may have guests for a while!

    In laws in Jacksonville sent a picture of whitecaps in their back yard at high tide. Not a good day to live on, or anywhere near, the St. John’s river.

  64. 64.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 12, 2017 at 8:11 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s odd that Democrats aren’t getting praised by the MSM for getting Trump to go along with their budget plan. Funny that.

  65. 65.

    raven

    September 12, 2017 at 8:14 am

    @Baud: Family in the sense of us having been friends for one 40 years.

  66. 66.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 12, 2017 at 8:16 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Of course they will, they run the worst candidates that run the worst campaigns in history!

  67. 67.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 8:19 am

    @bemused:
    Yes, that is the best that she could do. For all their money, the Trump Crime Family could not find mates from that social circle. They wouldn’t allow Trump into THEIR families. Ivanka had to go and find a Jew, and even then, she couldn’t find an ‘A’ list society Jewish family that would take her, even with conversion.

  68. 68.

    Brachiator

    September 12, 2017 at 8:20 am

    @Kay:

    So- them I will forgive. I hope they have the numbers without them, because they have to block those tax cuts or nothing else will matter.

    It’s not just about tax cuts. The Republicans want to redo the entire tax code to build in benefits for the wealthy. Some Democrats will be happy to go along.

    This is not necessarily permanent, if the country survives Trump. But it will be hell to redress the problems caused by this.

    I also see more division as Trump and the GOP sell their plan as finally taking away benefits from unworthy blacks and Latinos and finally making America great again for hardworking white people. This will provide cover for dismantling any safety net for anyone.

  69. 69.

    Schlemazel

    September 12, 2017 at 8:21 am

    @Raven:
    12 hours is bad but not horrible, welcome back to civilization

  70. 70.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 8:21 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It’s just very hard for me to accept because you and I both know the 3 day freak out that would have ensued if Obama had ever done this:

    On the video at roughly the 45-minute mark, you can catch glimpses of Trump fidgeting around and talking with his hand over heart during the moment of silence.

    I insist they recognize this double standard and explain it. Obama would have badgered until he held a beer summit with survivors or something. Cokie Roberts would do 500 words on how his foreigness (blackness) makes him not like the rest of us, because we revere 9/11.

    Every fucking day Obama was forced to prove he belonged in that job and every fucking day they lower the standards so Trump can believe he belongs in that job. It contradicts the whole concept of “merit”- shows it to be an elaborate lie. People need merit! They need to believe that it matters, because if it doesn’t why try at all?

  71. 71.

    Schlemazel

    September 12, 2017 at 8:27 am

    @Baud:
    SOON?

  72. 72.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 8:29 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: And all those trump voters were economically anxious working white people.

  73. 73.

    oldgold

    September 12, 2017 at 8:30 am

    @MomSense:

    Can’t wait to hear how he tries to explain this.

    “I am only human,” will not work for him.

  74. 74.

    Schlemazel

    September 12, 2017 at 8:32 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:
    I remember when old fat bastard Rush got his cochlear implant. The NYT ran a story about it that was all factual, He was going deaf, had the implant now better. THEN, the last paragraph was something about the number of adults who go deaf in the US every year and how abuse of Oxycontin was a major cause. Nothing to tie the two bit together but I am positive that was there to tell people what actually happened. That story looks to be doing the same.

  75. 75.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 8:32 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It goes back to merit to me. They don’t get it both ways. They don’t get the power and respect of being “the establishment” or the “grey lady” if they’re useless and ineffective. They’re supposed to perform some function, or why have them? So we all get to listen to them as authorities? They have to earn that. Everyone talks about Trump’s voters but they’re not the only people who failed and they only have power as a bloc. The elites failed. The establishment failed. They were called on to perform their whole reason for being and they failed when it mattered.

    I don’t care what they think about the tax code. They don’t get to be the wise counsel anymore.

  76. 76.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 8:32 am

    @rikyrah:

    That sounds about right. If she had been smarter, she would have looked further afield for some not too bright but really loaded celebrity or at the very least she could have landed a uber wealthy senior citizen sugar daddy.

  77. 77.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 8:34 am

    @Baud:

    Perhaps not so wealthy in the future….

  78. 78.

    Schlemazel

    September 12, 2017 at 8:34 am

    @raven:
    That is the best kind of family you can have.

  79. 79.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 12, 2017 at 8:35 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m reading HRC’s book, excuses, excuses…*

    *Actually it’s really good and in places really funny. Sec. Clinton would fit in well as a jackal.

  80. 80.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 8:36 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: Maybe she already is.

  81. 81.

    Jeffro

    September 12, 2017 at 8:37 am

    @MomSense: I’m dyin’…karma, sweet sweet karma!

  82. 82.

    Steve in the ATL

    September 12, 2017 at 8:42 am

    @Kay:

    They don’t get the power and respect of being “the establishment” or the “grey lady” if they’re useless

    QFT. You are filled with righteous fury these days!

  83. 83.

    ThresherK

    September 12, 2017 at 8:43 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I haven’t read it, but it seems all of the Kewl Kidz saved whatever bile they presumably saved up for her as Prez, and are letting it out now.

    I find quite a parallel between that and the happening that HRC isn’t President, yet some House R’s are determined to ahead with their show trials of her.

  84. 84.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 8:47 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: All the review titles I have read… Seriously, this country can not just let her speak. She’s not supposed to have an opinion at all, much less have it have any validity.

  85. 85.

    ?BillinGlendaleCA

    September 12, 2017 at 8:48 am

    @ThresherK: They probably shouldn’t do that, she seems to be in NFLG mode.

    I was a bit surprised that Hillary loves spicey food and Justice Ginsburg pumps iron twice a week.

  86. 86.

    Baud

    September 12, 2017 at 8:49 am

    @ThresherK:
    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Fuckem. If they wanted to maintain power over her, they should have worked harder to make her president. She’s as free as a bird now.

  87. 87.

    Lurking Canadian

    September 12, 2017 at 8:51 am

    @rikyrah: I think you have to work “Republican” in there. White male privilege is a powerful destructive force, but not even it is enough to explain the deference shown Trump. Compare, for example, the media treatment of Gore & Kerry, who got screwed nearly as badly as Clinton.

    The media have convinced themselves only Reublicans are serious and competent. They hold to this belief no matter the evidence.

    Admittedly, much of that attitude comes from racism and misogyny (Republican leaders look like White Daddy), but it isn’t coterminous with racism and misogyny because Democratic white men don’t benefit.

  88. 88.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 12, 2017 at 8:54 am

    @bemused: Whoa there! She’s young enough to marry many more times. Jared may be her starter Hubby.

  89. 89.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 8:55 am

    @Kay:

    That’s a good analogy to throw at Republican voters. The bar is pretty damn low for them at senator, representative/president level but at the local level, they’re less likely to support or vote for total losers like Trump and the slumlord types they know will trash their communities. Scary part is that too many would.

  90. 90.

    Immanentize

    September 12, 2017 at 8:55 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I did not regret it. Fabulous.

  91. 91.

    Patricia Kayden

    September 12, 2017 at 8:56 am

    @Lurking Canadian: True. A Democratic White male President couldn’t get away with Trump’s behavior.

  92. 92.

    Lurking Canadian

    September 12, 2017 at 8:56 am

    @Kay: It’s not just that they’ll fight it. They’ll bank it in the Caymans.

    Let’s use a very simple model. Trump cuts taxes by $1T per year over five years, running resulting additional deficits of (coincidentally!) $1T over five years.

    The people who benefit from that tax cut don’t invest it because why should they? There’s no demand. Instead they park it in their offshore tax haven. When a Democrat finally sweeps into power after the disaster of Trump, that’s $5T worth of American wealth that is just gone. Short of things Americans would never agree to (confiscation, wealth tax, 100% estate tax, etc) US taxpayers are now paying interest on that $5T forever.

  93. 93.

    Cowboy Diva

    September 12, 2017 at 8:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I still think (sadly!) the Cards’ efforts are too little too late.

  94. 94.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:01 am

    @Patricia Kayden: So Jared is a lease/buy hubby?

  95. 95.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:03 am

    @Raven: You had me at collards. Were ham hocks involved?

  96. 96.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:04 am

    @Immanentize: I’m not usually up for *that* much energy in the morn but I am today.

    **actually ‘this’ much energy, I’m still listening to them

  97. 97.

    Kay

    September 12, 2017 at 9:08 am

    @Lurking Canadian:

    I’m not naive. I know some Democrats will back it. I’m afraid to count how many are there to block it :)

    It’s a real thing, that inequality gap. If it keeps getting bigger it’s a different country and no one can predict what will happen.

    Larry Summers is worried about it. Larry Summers sounds like Woody Guthrie. He writes panicked screeds about how we need more labor unions, how this power differential has to shift. I feel the same sense of urgency because it won’t just “widen” it will accelerate. It isn’t about me. I’ll be all right, secure enough. It’s my future grandchildren.

  98. 98.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 12, 2017 at 9:09 am

    Good morning! Ms. O was reading snippets of the NYT’s review of Hillary’s book to me. It sounds like the reviewer damned her with faint praise, with a few gratuitous barbs thrown in. Shocker, I know. /

    The NYT remains garbage.

  99. 99.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:10 am

    @Cowboy Diva: I thought it was all over a while ago, and if they actually get in (the brewers just swept the Cubs) I won’t be the least bit surprised if it is the shortest post season ever for them but wonderful things happen in October.

  100. 100.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:11 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    ?

  101. 101.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:12 am

    @rikyrah:
    Poco gives this statement 4 paws up.? ?

  102. 102.

    Barbara

    September 12, 2017 at 9:14 am

    @rikyrah: Ivanka had to find someone willing to show fealty to her father. Kushner is the oldest son of a corrupt dad who has nearly as strong a personality as Trump does. What they have in common is a warped sense of family loyalty that overlooks bizarre, destructive, and sometimes illegal behavior. Someone with a strong sense of self and an understanding of normal family relationships would never put up with Trump as a father in law.

  103. 103.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:16 am

    @bemused:
    Didn’t Murdoch’s ex wife who is now with Putin introduce them? I still have difficulty comprehending that Mick’s ex is now with Murdoch, but I digress?

  104. 104.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:18 am

    @satby:
    Good morning from Poco and his kitty advisers. Baud/Poco2020?

  105. 105.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:27 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA: I can’t decide whether to buy the book or the audio version for my Oct NC road trip. Never listened to a book before. So that would be a new experience. Need to check if she’s narrating the entire book

  106. 106.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:28 am

    Pepere, Jay, Maine: ‘I am so quiet in the morning when I wake up so I don’t disturb her. Then I remember she is gone’

    picture.

  107. 107.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:30 am

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    Rachel Maddow interviewing HRC. Thursday show.

  108. 108.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:34 am

    @Quinerly: My wife loves audio books.

  109. 109.

    germy

    September 12, 2017 at 9:37 am

    A few weeks ago I stocked up on my autumn reading. Bought Mark Twain’s “Pudd’nhead Wilson” and the Sinclair Lewis novel “It Can’t Happen Here.”

    The Twain novel was somewhat disappointing.

    I’ve started “It Can’t Happen Here” and it’s reminding me there’s nothing new under the sun. So many parallels to trump, to the various White House Steve’s, and hate radio.

    Depressing that the “conservative” characters are parroting the same rotarian bullshit that I hear from the rotarian conservatives today.

  110. 110.

    Iowa Old Lady

    September 12, 2017 at 9:39 am

    Fantasy tax simplification/reform that actually is simplification/reform: tax all personal income alike–earned, unearned, inherited, whatever.

  111. 111.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 12, 2017 at 9:39 am

    @Quinerly: Thanks! I’ll try to watch the YouTube afterwards. I used to watch Rachel because I liked her interviews, but can’t stand the gabbling she does at the start of her shows.

  112. 112.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 12, 2017 at 9:40 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Audio books are great on long car rides.

  113. 113.

    SiubhanDuinne

    September 12, 2017 at 9:42 am

    @?BillinGlendaleCA:

    @OzarkHillbilly: I’m reading HRC’s book, excuses, excuses…*

    *Actually it’s really good and in places really funny. Sec. Clinton would fit in well as a jackal.

    It landed in my Kindle app a couple of minutes past midnight, and I’m already several chapters in. Enjoying it very much — she writes well, her passion comes through loud and clear, and there have indeed been a couple of places where I guffawed out loud at something truly witty and unexpected.

  114. 114.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 9:44 am

    @Quinerly:

    Aw what tangled webs the privileged elites weave.

  115. 115.

    NickM

    September 12, 2017 at 9:48 am

    Jared is, basically, Buster Bluth.

  116. 116.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 9:49 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: She has an hour commute in and out every day.

  117. 117.

    gene108

    September 12, 2017 at 9:50 am

    @Kay:

    Bush, Jr’s first round of tax cuts was sold as giving us back the budget surplus that was rightfully ours and as a way to counter the 2001 recession.

    The second round of tax cuts passed the Senate with Cheney casting the tie breaking vote.

    I don’t expect there to be to be less opposition this time around. I can see Democrats in Red states holding together. Republicans are not even trying to sell it as some sort of economic stimulus for a struggling economy, this time around. This is a naked money grab being sold as a naked money grab.

    Edit: Bush, Jr’s tax cuts were done through budget reconciliation, because they could not get through a filibuster using regular order. We haven’t had an actual overhaul of the tax code, since 1986. Bush, Jr’s tax cuts were going to lapse by 2011, because they were not budget neutral, so the big drama over a Grand Bargain occurred. There are not 60 votes in the Senate to do real comprehensive tax reform. Republicans will try to pass something via reconciliation that will have a 10 year shelf life, at best.

  118. 118.

    Gelfling 545

    September 12, 2017 at 9:51 am

    @Kay: And I surely don’t want to hear their tut-tutting over a mess they helped create.

  119. 119.

    Gelfling 545

    September 12, 2017 at 9:53 am

    @Baud: That right there is a cheery thought!

  120. 120.

    MomSense

    September 12, 2017 at 9:56 am

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Her interview on Pod Save America is out, too. I haven’t heard it yet but both my older boys have told me to listen. Both are very sad about what we lost not having her serve as president.

  121. 121.

    Gelfling 545

    September 12, 2017 at 9:58 am

    @Kay: “Larry Summers sounds like Woody Guthrie”

    This (adding) machine kills fascists?

  122. 122.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 10:00 am

    @gene108:

    Bush sending out tax cut rebate checks to taxpayers was a clever PR move.

  123. 123.

    West of the Rockies (been a while)

    September 12, 2017 at 10:08 am

    @bemused:

    I’ve wondered about that, too. Kushner is bland yet snotty looking. He’s a trust-fund, no talent preppy. Granted, she’s likely a vapid ditz, but you’d think she’d at least select someone physically appealing.

  124. 124.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 12, 2017 at 10:09 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I used to have a commute like that. The audio books kept me informed, entertained, and calm, especially in traffic jams.

  125. 125.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 10:14 am

    This Atlantic piece nails it. Prepare to be depressed. theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/10/will-donald-trump-destroy-the-presidency/537921/

  126. 126.

    Spanky

    September 12, 2017 at 10:15 am

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): Compared to her brothers and father, Jared looks like Fabio.

  127. 127.

    Jeffro

    September 12, 2017 at 10:16 am

    Even John Dingell’s getting in on the Ted Cruz thing…LOLOL…

  128. 128.

    catclub

    September 12, 2017 at 10:19 am

    Michael Gerson had this to say about the wall:

    Republican enthusiasm for the Mexican border wall is limited by the fact that it is among the most wasteful, impractical and useless ideas ever spouted by an American president.

    But then I thought about Reagan’s SDI and the Iraq war II, and realized the wall isn’t so bad in the scheme of things. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul would probably think that Ike’s Interstate Highway system was the bad idea.

  129. 129.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 10:23 am

    The morning laugh that I needed: sfglobe.com/2016/02/04/dilapidated-house-in-los-angeles-neighborhood-listed-for-475000

  130. 130.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 10:23 am

    @West of the Rockies (been a while):

    To be fair, how would Ivanka recognize no talent?

  131. 131.

    catclub

    September 12, 2017 at 10:24 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: And then I think of social security payments, alimony, and child support. Taxing them could be done, but it won’t be easy.

  132. 132.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 10:27 am

    @Spanky:

    Gag, the brothers choose to have oil slicked back mobster hairstyles!

  133. 133.

    Kathleen

    September 12, 2017 at 10:27 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Robert Randolph is perfect go to for joy and uplift, Saw him live and he radiates bliss.

  134. 134.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 10:31 am

    @Quinerly:

    I wouldn’t even count on the studs being solid.

  135. 135.

    Iowa Old Lady

    September 12, 2017 at 10:32 am

    @catclub: Social security is taxable now, though it’s not done the same way and probably should be. Here’s an explanation.

  136. 136.

    Kathleen

    September 12, 2017 at 10:33 am

    @Kay: FFS. Repeated 100 times in my head.

    My new pet name for Maggie and Glenn is MagGle. They may have had nothing that do with that POS you quoted but just had to. type it.

  137. 137.

    NotMax

    September 12, 2017 at 10:34 am

    @bemused

    If one cannot count on studs in San Francisco…

    ;)

  138. 138.

    ThresherK

    September 12, 2017 at 10:34 am

    @Baud: I recognize Hillary is in NFLG mode and I like it. It remains.to be seen how much the Chris Cillizzas and such will miswrite things to.have Dems “lose the peace”. Never has such shit been thrown at a candidate who did so well.

  139. 139.

    O. Felix Culpa

    September 12, 2017 at 10:34 am

    @catclub: Alimony to the recipient is taxed now.

  140. 140.

    Ajabu

    September 12, 2017 at 10:35 am

    @NotMax: @Patricia Kayden:
    OK, guys. I’m checking in. Actually we moved back to Atlanta a couple of months ago so we weren’t in the VI for the recent “festivities”.
    St. Croix (our home) dodged the bullet but St. Thomas & St. John caught hell. The roof of the hospital in St. Thomas blew off & they had to transport patients to St. Croix. Generally, the whole episode puts a real strain on an already shaky economy in the Virgin Islands.
    All friends & family are OK, however, and we’ll become paradise again.…
    I am concerned with the status of friends in St. Maarten. Can’t reach anybody yet.
    Thanks for your concern for my well being. Mrs. Ajabu & I rode out this sissy remnants of the storm in Metro Atlanta. Like Steve in the ATL said: Leaves & Rain. NO BIGEE.

  141. 141.

    raven

    September 12, 2017 at 10:40 am

    @Ajabu: My friend live on ST Thomas and posted a vid on youtube of 10 minutes of the cane.

  142. 142.

    NotMax

    September 12, 2017 at 10:44 am

    @Ajabu

    Good to hear. Astonishing before and after pix of some structures on St. Thomas (hospital, library, airport control tower) shown on Maddow on Monday.

  143. 143.

    bemused

    September 12, 2017 at 10:46 am

    @NotMax:

    Ha.

  144. 144.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 10:49 am

    @NotMax:
    Actually it’s LA.?

  145. 145.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 10:54 am

    Trump is the first American president in almost 150 years without a pet: mobile.twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/906760602919608320/photo/1

  146. 146.

    eclare

    September 12, 2017 at 10:54 am

    @Jeffro: I would not support Trump, but come on Don, you know you want to call Ted this

  147. 147.

    Quinerly

    September 12, 2017 at 10:57 am

    Katy Tur’s book is also out today: axios.com/katy-tur-talks-life-on-the-trump-trail-2484350034.html

  148. 148.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 10:59 am

    @Quinerly:
    Morning to Poco, Ivan and John Lennon ??

  149. 149.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 11:02 am

    @Quinerly: What are you talking about? There’s Melania, Ivanka, Jared….

  150. 150.

    catclub

    September 12, 2017 at 11:03 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: oops. I am blissfully ignorant of some of the right things to be ignorant of.

  151. 151.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 11:04 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    That broke my heart ??

  152. 152.

    OzarkHillbilly

    September 12, 2017 at 11:06 am

    @O. Felix Culpa: So is Unemployment insurance.

  153. 153.

    rikyrah

    September 12, 2017 at 11:07 am

    @Ajabu:
    Glad to hear from you ?

  154. 154.

    eclare

    September 12, 2017 at 11:11 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I went there, and I was not disappointed. Way to start the day!

  155. 155.

    Schlemazel

    September 12, 2017 at 11:15 am

    @Ajabu:
    Not to add to your anxiety but I saw satellite photos and some of those islands look like there were sanded smooth. Recovery is going to be a long painful process. Hopefully you are not hearing because of no power

  156. 156.

    trollhattan

    September 12, 2017 at 11:43 am

    @Eric S.:
    Saw him in concert a couple years ago, playing with the Slide Brothers. If there’s anything more amazing/goofy than four pedal steel guitars playing at once, I’ve not encountered it. Randolph is a force of nature.

  157. 157.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 12, 2017 at 11:51 am

    @Ceci n est pas mon nym: This sounds like when some one accused Cruz of cheating on his wife and no one belived another woman would tolerate him.

  158. 158.

    Shana

    September 12, 2017 at 11:52 am

    @Baud: If you don’t count all that debt.

  159. 159.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    September 12, 2017 at 11:54 am

    @Kay: To be honest, this is the most presidental thing Trump has done in 8 months in office AND it did no active harm to the country. That and look he a Solar Eclipse without eye protection.

  160. 160.

    The Moar You Know

    September 12, 2017 at 11:55 am

    Trump is the first American president in almost 150 years without a pet

    @Quinerly: Good. Him or his kids would kill the poor critter for fun. That entire family should not have and does not deserve the companionship of animals.

  161. 161.

    eclare

    September 12, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    @The Moar You Know: Good point.

  162. 162.

    Steve in the ATL

    September 12, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    @Ajabu: excellent timing on your move!

    I’ve already blocked everyone on FB who supports trump; I am about to do the same for all the Atlanta people who are checking in as safe from the hurricane.

  163. 163.

    Kathleen

    September 12, 2017 at 12:58 pm

    @trollhattan: Yes he is. Perfect antidote to the dolts.

  164. 164.

    TenguPhule

    September 12, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    @MomSense:

    The one time I didn’t wake up at 3am and browse twitter when I couldn’t sleep, the official account of Sen. Ted Cruz liked a porn video.

    So you will be spending less time on twitter from now on?

  165. 165.

    TenguPhule

    September 12, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    @Kay:

    He said he would do infrastructure. He has not done one thing.

    Not true.

    He made vague promises about giant tax cuts and intended to sell off the oil reserve to pay for it.

  166. 166.

    ruckus

    September 12, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    @bemused:
    She could look in a mirror.

  167. 167.

    TenguPhule

    September 12, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    @Kay:

    Then it really gets scary. If that downward cycle gets locked into the tax code the best future President in the world won’t be able to reverse it. It won’t matter how many safety net ideas are proposed or created or saved- there won’t be any money to fund them.

    Tens of millions of angry armed citizens denied the benefits their parents and grandparents enjoyed.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  168. 168.

    TenguPhule

    September 12, 2017 at 1:29 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It’s almost as if they don’t care

    What do you mean almost?

  169. 169.

    TenguPhule

    September 12, 2017 at 1:32 pm

    @Kay:

    People need merit! They need to believe that it matters, because if it doesn’t why try at all?

    Preach it Kay.

    Trump is undermining the whole concept of working for a living.

    Seeing Crime actually paying every single day is eroding public morals.

    And there will be repercussions from this for a long time to come.

  170. 170.

    TenguPhule

    September 12, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    @oldgold:

    “I am only human,” will not work for him.

    Obviously because he failed his DNA test.

  171. 171.

    J R in WV

    September 12, 2017 at 3:35 pm

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Yes, but will her husband give her the “get” so she can remarry?

  172. 172.

    debbie

    September 12, 2017 at 6:51 pm

    @Kay:

    I know you’re long gone, but:

    That never happened. They never did the investigation.

    No, they didn’t. Donald was a joke beloved by the NYC media. Outrageous and full of chutzpah, just like all the Wall Streeters who also came to be bullshit.

  173. 173.

    hugely

    September 13, 2017 at 8:28 pm

    @Gelfling 545: dude/dudette you win the intertoobs for the week

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