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Friday Evening Open Thread

by Betty Cracker|  June 22, 20186:43 pm| 100 Comments

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Here are some purslane plants hubby is growing in what is charitably called the “pallet garden:”

Hope y’all are having a pleasant evening. I am not. Maybe more on that later.

Anyhoo. Open thread!

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  1. 1.

    lamh36

    June 22, 2018 at 6:46 pm

    FUQ YOU SUSAN!!!

    @SusanSarandon
    Follow Follow @SusanSarandon
    More
    “Thousands of migrant children are being separated from their families at the border. Here’s how to help.”

  2. 2.

    HumboldtBlue

    June 22, 2018 at 6:47 pm

    Sun is out after two days of overcast and the wind has died. Gonna be a good evening for beer on the front stoop. I just have to remember not to read the national headlines before I leave work.

  3. 3.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 6:49 pm

    Beautiful and I have always loved purslane. I have a black pot similar to yours, but it’s filled with weeds, since I decided not to do flowers this year. I just don’t have the heart for it. Can I borrow your hubby for a few days?

    We had a storm move through and my front yard is filled with branches and pine cones. I told my son and he said mom you don’t have pines in your front. Oh well. There’s a lot of power outages in the area, but at least I was spared that.

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 22, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    @lamh36: not a dime’s worth of difference, eh, Suze?

    Is her head really so far up her own ass she has no idea of the kind of apology she owes the world?/rhetorical

  5. 5.

    Mary G

    June 22, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    David Hogg and a bunch of the Parkland kids are outside one of Paul Ryan’s offices not being let in and it’s great. Some poor staffer offered to take a message through the window and David Hogg is just dictating and dictating and dictating.

  6. 6.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2018 at 6:51 pm

    Nice steady winds, mostly temperate. Waiting on UPS for a delivery.

  7. 7.

    trollhattan

    June 22, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    Direct action.

    Zak Ringelstein, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in Maine, was arrested Friday morning outside a U.S. Border Patrol facility in McAllen, Texas.

    Ringelstein, who is challenging incumbent independent Sen. Angus King, traveled in a pickup truck to the facility, carrying toys, blankets, and food, while his campaign filmed his visit and protest in a Facebook Live video. Ringelstein sat in the flatbed of his truck, refusing to move it as Border Patrol agents and eventually local police gathered in response. “I refuse, I refuse, I refuse to stand by as you imprison children and bring more children by the dozens into this facility… it is wrong. It is sick. It’s a sickness,” Ringelstein said in part of the live broadcast.

    The unnamed official with whom Ringelstein spoke said that the Senate candidate couldn’t bring the items inside the facility but could instead give them to charitable organizations authorized to deliver them inside. Ringelstein was repeatedly denied access to the facility before being peacefully handcuffed by police and arrested.

    Another man who joined the candidate, holding a sign reading “Free Them,” also was arrested in the video.

    “Zak is now a political prisoner of the Trump regime,” the Democrat’s Twitter account posted shortly after the arrest.

  8. 8.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    @lamh36:

    She forgot to mention how the contradictions have been heightened by all this.

    And how Hitlary would have been worse — she would have had ICE kidnap the children, then turn them over to the DoD for conscription, or perhaps turn them over to HHS for “Project Soylent.”

  9. 9.

    Mary G

    June 22, 2018 at 6:53 pm

    When you’ve lost the freaking American Legion:

    “The American Legion is adamantly opposed to the Senate’s NDAA position of raising Tricare enrollment fees and copays and repealing current grandfathering provisions. We view the Senate’s proposal as an erosion of our veterans’ quality of life and earned benefits. t.co/h9FcIfv0Ho— The American Legion (@AmericanLegion) June 22, 2018

  10. 10.

    Mai naem mobile

    June 22, 2018 at 6:54 pm

    George Will is telling people to vote against the GOP. I have a lot i want to say about this but I am trying to leave it at ‘hey, if it gets several thousand GOPrs to vote Dem and we win some tough races then I need to STFU for right now.’

  11. 11.

    SFAW

    June 22, 2018 at 6:56 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Is her head really so far up her own ass she has no idea of the kind of apology she owes the world?

    Yes.

  12. 12.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2018 at 6:57 pm

    I am not. Maybe more on that later.

    Fingers crossed it’s not to do with granny.

  13. 13.

    geg6

    June 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm

    @lamh36:

    Goddamn, that fucking bitch. She should be wearing sackcloth and ashes and be on her knees crawling to every home in America begging for forgiveness. Fuck her with a rusty chainsaw.

  14. 14.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 22, 2018 at 6:59 pm

    I didn’t remember this, it’s from February of ’17

    On Wednesday night, Susan Sarandon returned to Chris Hayes’s prime-time show on MSNBC for the first time since she caused a firestorm by seeming to say a Donald Trump presidency might not be the worst thing in the world…..
    In their original interview nearly a year ago, Sarandon said “a lot of people just can’t bring themselves” to vote for Clinton and said she would “see what happens” regarding her general-election vote. “People feel Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately, if he gets in then things will really explode,” she said….
    “I think that I absolutely feel that talking about blaming people for what happened is really wasting your time and energy,” Sarandon replied. “Because what we have now is a populous that is awake.”…
    She went on to say that Trump is “so clumsy and so bad” at putting policy together that “now everyone is awake.” She insisted that she’s not in favor of a “revolution” brought on by Trump’s misdeeds instead of the one we could have had with Sanders in office. To the people that would “attack” her for her statements, she asked, “Really? That’s where we want to spend our time and energy?”

    let’s not waste our time arguing about ‘oo killed ‘oo

  15. 15.

    lamh36

    June 22, 2018 at 7:00 pm

    I don’t have WashPo access…can anyone tell me what this article says, and how well it is sourced?

    @JenniferDokes
    5h5 hours ago
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    Great. Time mag gave forces of evil legit reasons to gloat, preen and be indignant. Very bad day for journalism. The nation can’t afford mistakes like this. Not now. The crying Honduran girl on the cover of Time was not separated from her mother

    twitter.com/JenniferDokes/status/1010221877078327296

  16. 16.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:01 pm

    @NotMax:

    Waiting on UPS for a delivery.

    Keep us posted!

  17. 17.

    TenguPhule

    June 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    The effort was led by Nevada’s governor, Brian Sandoval (R), and Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.), who separately spoke with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and pushed for Storey County to win designation as an “Opportunity Zone,” which was established in the law to help distressed areas attract money.

    Working behind the scenes to help the effort was a Storey County brothel owner and real estate investor, Lance Gilman, who told local officials that the designation could lead to a surge of investments within the next few years. Gilman is also a major GOP donor and made a $5,000 campaign contribution to Heller in the midst of the process, the biggest contribution he had ever given to a candidate for federal office.

    Treasury officials had initially deemed that Storey County’s income levels were too high to qualify, based on the metrics they had used to judge every other nomination for the special tax status. But after weeks of prodding from Nevada officials, Treasury relented and gave the designation to Storey County using new data.

    Republican corruption via Wapo. Doesn’t even make headlines these days.

  18. 18.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    what is charitably called the “pallet garden:”

    How very… post- something. Industrial? Apocalyptic?

    I studied dynamic programming all day and now it’s time to… not do that. Probably play video games.

  19. 19.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 22, 2018 at 7:02 pm

    @lamh36: Is “go back in time and vote for HRC” on the list? No? Then she can STFU.

  20. 20.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Not your doing, it’s the ultra-dim transcript writer..

    a populous

    (head.desk) populace

    /pedant

  21. 21.

    Elizabelle

    June 22, 2018 at 7:04 pm

    Someone put this up as comment on George Will’s Vote against the GOP this November:

    T RAITOR
    R ACIST
    U NSAFE
    M 0R0N
    P UTINS B I T C H

    works for me. Truth.

  22. 22.

    TenguPhule

    June 22, 2018 at 7:05 pm

    @trollhattan: Now let’s see what the media says.

    Maybe we’ll be pleasantly surprised.

  23. 23.

    TenguPhule

    June 22, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    To the people that would “attack” her for her statements, she asked, “Really? That’s where we want to spend our time and energy?”

    if it ensures that the Sarandons of the world shut up and never venture out from under their rocks ever again, Yes?

  24. 24.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: If you are truly in ATL, did you get the storm with strong winds? My yard is trashed, and the a section of the neighbors fence came down. It overturned another neighbors gas grill. That’s why you need to use charcoal.
    I have power but the surrounding neighbors don’t.

  25. 25.

    delk

    June 22, 2018 at 7:08 pm

    I posted this morning but I’d like to repeat it for afternoon/evening folks.

    Thank you all so much for the kind words about Gav. He was a good dog.

  26. 26.

    frosty fred

    June 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    Learn something new every day. I knew the weedy/edible purslane was in the Portulacaceae, but I’d never known this “moss rose” kind of Portulaca (which I’ve known and loved from my earliest memories) referred to as “purslane.” Is the kind in the picture edible as well? Well, palatable, as opposed to not poisonous?

  27. 27.

    Elizabelle

    June 22, 2018 at 7:13 pm

    @lamh36: Here you go. This morning’s WaPost story, reporters are Samantha Schmidt and Kristine Phillips:

    The crying Honduran girl on the cover of Time was not separated from her mother

    …. the girl’s father told The Washington Post on Thursday night that his child and her mother were not separated, and a U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed that the family was not separated while in the agency’s custody. In an interview with CBS News, Border Patrol agent Carlos Ruiz, who was among the first to encounter the mother and her daughter at the border in Texas, said the image had been used to symbolize a policy but “that was not the case in this picture.”

    Ruiz, who was not available for an interview Friday, said agents asked the mother, Sandra Sanchez, to put down her daughter, nearly 2-year-old Yanela, so they could search her. Agents patted down the mother for less than two minutes, and she immediately picked up her daughter, who then stopped crying.

    “I personally went up to the mother and asked her, ‘Are you doing okay? Is the kid okay?’ and she said, ‘Yes. She’s tired and thirsty. It’s 11 o’clock at night,” Ruiz told CBS News.

    The revelation has prompted a round of media criticism from the White House and other conservatives.

    … Moore told The Post’s Avi Selk that he ran into the mother and toddler in McAllen, Tex., on the night of June 12. He knew only that they were from Honduras and had been on the road for about a month. “I can only imagine what dangers she’d passed through, alone with the girl,” he said.

    Moore photographed the girl crying as the border agent patted down the mother.

    Moore said the woman picked up her daughter, they walked into the van, and the van drove away. When he took the picture, he said he did not know whether the mother and her daughter would be separated, “but it was a very real possibility,” given the slew of family separations carried out by the Trump administration.

    … In Honduras, Denis Javier Varela Hernandez recognized his daughter in the photo and also feared that she was separated from her mother, he told The Post.

    But he said he learned this week that his 32-year-old wife and daughter were, in fact, detained together at a facility in McAllen. Honduran Deputy Foreign Minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Varela’s account to Reuters.

    An Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman said in a statement to The Post that Sanchez was arrested by the U.S. Border Patrol near Hidalgo, Tex., on June 12 while traveling with a family member. She was transferred to ICE custody on June 17 and is being housed at the South Texas Family Residential Center in Dilley, Tex., according to ICE.

    ICE said Sanchez was previously deported to Honduras in July 2013.

    Sanchez and her daughter left for the United States from Puerto Cortes, north of the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa, on June 3, Varela said. Sanchez had told her husband that she hoped to go to the United States to seek a better life for her children, away from the dangers of their home country. But she left without telling him that she was taking their youngest daughter with her. Varela, who has three other children with Sanchez, feared for the little girl’s safety, he said. Yanela is turning 2 years old in July.

    After Sanchez left, Varela had no way to contact her or learn of her whereabouts. Then, on the news, he saw the photo of the girl in the pink shirt.

    “The first second I saw it, I knew it was my daughter,” Varela told The Post. “Immediately, I recognized her.”

    He heard that U.S. officials were separating families at the border, before Trump reversed the policy Wednesday. Varela felt helpless and distressed “imagining my daughter in that situation,” he said.

    This week, Varela received a phone call from an official with Honduras’s foreign ministry, letting him know his wife and daughter were detained together. While he doesn’t know anything about the conditions of the facility or what is next for Sanchez and Yanela, he was relieved to hear they were in the same place.

    As news emerged late Thursday that the mother and child were not separated, conservative media jumped on the story, portraying it as evidence of “fake news” surrounding the Trump administration’s immigration policies.

    It was the most prominent story on the home page of the conservative news outlet Breitbart, which called it a “fake news photo.” Infowars, owned by conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, singled out Time and CNN for using the “completely misleading” image to push “open border propaganda.”

    … Varela pushed back against the portrayals of his daughter’s story, saying it should not cast doubt on the “human-rights violations” taking place at the border.

    “This is the case for my daughter, but it is not the case for 2,000 children that were separated from their parents,” Varela said.

    At least 2,500 migrant children have been separated from their parents at the border since May 5.

    Varela said he felt “proud” that his daughter has “represented the subject of immigration” and helped propel changes in policy. But he asked that Trump “put his hand on his heart.”

    He hopes that U.S. officials will grant asylum to his wife and daughter, he said.

    Asked whether he would also like to come to the United States, he said, “Of course, someday.

  28. 28.

    Elizabelle

    June 22, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    @delk: We are so sad he’s gone, but know he had such a good life with you. Beautiful dog.

  29. 29.

    Mandalay

    June 22, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley yesterday:

    “It is patently ridiculous for the United Nations to examine poverty in America,” Haley wrote in a letter to Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Thursday. “In our country, the President, Members of Congress, Governors, Mayors, and City Council members actively engage on poverty issues every day. Compare that to the many countries around the world, whose governments knowingly abuse human rights and cause pain and suffering.”

    Haley picked a really bad week to make an argument about other governments knowingly abusing human rights, and causing pain and suffering. I can just about understand her saying that if she had a brain fart and the stupid gushed out. But as UN Ambassador she wrote it – she actually thought about the situation and wrote that.

    Haley is at a Sarah Palin level of stupidity (and will probably run for president in 2020).

  30. 30.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    @Elizabelle: Actually according to CNN he said she was not separated at that time. He has no idea now, although border control said yesterday they kept them together. The father only spoke about that time frame. Yeah right. They are probably frantically trying to find the girl so they can be reunited.

  31. 31.

    scav

    June 22, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    @lamh36: Probably doesn’t matter to the people most likely to wave it about. Difference between signifier and the signified, it’s all too comperlicated and a slippery slope (but only for certain messages). If this one image can be proven incorrect in any way, then there is no problem at all, hey presto! If Time had used a line drawing of a crying child instead, well then all crying infants everywhere would have been proven to actually from the comics and thus necessarily happy! But then beware, stock photos of minorities prove that the Republicans are a big tent party and using images from 2016 as though they are from 2018 is unproblematic so long as the proper message is conveyed. It’s all the same blah blah chaos shiny-object confetti.

  32. 32.

    debbie

    June 22, 2018 at 7:19 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    After she attacked others’ statements? I don’t think so, chick.

  33. 33.

    Tilda Swintons Bald Cap

    June 22, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    The @eclecticbrotha brings a 2×4 to Bernie Sanders and his bullshit. Tweet

  34. 34.

    TenguPhule

    June 22, 2018 at 7:20 pm

    In the 2016 presidential election, George Skarich, the vice president of sales for the Missouri-based Mid Continent Nail Corporation, voted for Mr. Trump and hoped that he would use his business acumen to supercharge the economy.

    The economy is booming, but Mr. Skarich said he was not reaping the benefits. Instead, as a result of Mr. Trump’s trade policies, Mr. Skarich said his nail company may soon be out of business.

    Mid Continent, the largest American producer of nails, imports steel from Mexico to make its nails. That steel is now subject to the 25 percent tariffs that Mr. Trump imposed on dozens of countries, forcing Mid Continent to raise its prices by nearly 20 percent.

    Someone break out the world’s second smallest violins!

    To meet a global thirst for American whiskey in recent years, distilleries that make bourbon and rye — and sell it around the world — have sprung up across the country. But this week the European Union applied a 25 percent duty to American whiskey in response to Mr. Trump’s steel tariffs, spiking the prices of the iconic American tipple on the Continent.

    For small distillers like Scott Harris, a founder of Catoctin Creek Distillery in Purcellville, Va., this has dampened happy hour.

    “We are just launching into the European market now in a big way, and this could be the worst possible timing for us,” Mr. Harris said. “We’re probably going to see all of our European sales now come to a screeching halt.”

    Exports to Europe represent about a fourth of Catoctin Creek’s annual sales, and the prospect of a 50 euro bottle of whiskey costing 25 percent more is troubling. Some bigger distillers shipped extra spirits to Europe before the tariffs were in place, but for small businesses, the shipping and warehousing costs are prohibitive.

    A self-described free-trade Republican, Mr. Harris is disappointed with the path that his party has taken on trade.

    “I remember just two years ago we were talking about pushing hard for the Trans-Pacific Partnership so we could open markets in Asia, but all of that has just been turned upside down,” Mr. Harris said. “It really is quite puzzling.”

    No clue at all. Indeed.

    European tariffs on peanut butter will be a blow for the makers of Peter Pan and Skippy spreads, but it is peanut farmers in Republican-leaning states like Georgia, Alabama, Florida and Mississippi who could struggle the most.

    “If it affects the peanut butter market, it affects all of us,” said Malcolm Broome, executive director of the Mississippi Peanut Growers Association. “We definitely don’t need to get into a trade war.”

    The United States and China are the biggest peanut butter exporters in the world, according to the Department of Agriculture, and European tariffs would likely give China an edge in expanding its market share.

    Mr. Broome said that many of the peanut farmers in his state have been supportive of Mr. Trump’s economic agenda, but that they will be watching carefully to see how he manages the trade negotiations.

    “If this can give him some leverage to get a deal made, they’d be all for that,” Mr. Broome said. “If it doesn’t work and he’s miscalculated, then it could be a different story.”

    Clap your hands louder, Republicans. Or Tinkerbell dies!

    /Via FTFNYT

  35. 35.

    Calouste

    June 22, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    @Elizabelle: So the woman left her husband to go to another country without telling him, taking her daughter with him. This reeks of domestic abuse.

  36. 36.

    debbie

    June 22, 2018 at 7:21 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    I don’t recall anyone ever saying they had been separated. From the beginning, the mother was nursing the child, put her down while she was searched, and then picked her back up. Irrelevant, anyway, the child was clearly traumatized, probably picking up stuff from the tones of the voices around her.

  37. 37.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2018 at 7:25 pm

    @JPL:

    It didn’t last all that long, but it was a wicked pissah in Cumming/John’s Creek/Duluth while it lasted. I was in traffic. Not fun.

  38. 38.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:27 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: My son was going to visit, and I told him to hold off. Good call on my part. It’s interesting because I checked GA Power outages and pretty much it was around me, but not me. Yeah!

  39. 39.

    zhena gogolia

    June 22, 2018 at 7:28 pm

    @JPL:

    AND SO WHAT, IF THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN CRYING? Who cares whether it was this specific kid or not? And what’s so great about being detained with her mother?

  40. 40.

    RedDirtGirl

    June 22, 2018 at 7:29 pm

    Sorry you are having a crappy evening, Ms. Cracker. Wish I could send you just some of the cheer I get from reading your delightfully disgusting descriptions of the orange shitgibbon.

  41. 41.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    June 22, 2018 at 7:29 pm

    Well if anyone else wants some relief from the awfulness that is the current situation I cannot recommend James Corden’s Carpool Karaoke with Sir Paul McCartney highly enough. It is simply joyous, and touching, and out and out fun.

    youtube.com/watch?v=QjvzCTqkBDQ

    Enjoy.

  42. 42.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:32 pm

    @zhena gogolia: I agree, but all I was trying to point out was that I don’t believe the administration on this one. They are flat out liars.

  43. 43.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 22, 2018 at 7:34 pm

    @JPL:

    I don’t believe the administration on this one

    And the girl’s father? ETA I guess his knowledge would be coming from them too.

  44. 44.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2018 at 7:36 pm

    …in what is charitably called the “pallet garden:”

    I love you Betty.

  45. 45.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:37 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: According to CNN the father new that the mom was able to pick up the child after being searched, but doesn’t know what happened after that.

  46. 46.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    @lamh36:

    “Thousands of migrant children are being separated from their families at the border. Here’s how to help.”

    Step 1: Go back in time and do not listen to Susan Sarandon.

    Step 2: As time moves forward, do not listen to Susan Sarandon.

    P.S. lamh, I second your fuck you.

    edit: I see that Omnes at #19 also suggested going back in time.

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2018 at 7:39 pm

    @Steve in the ATL

    Only because you asked, just arrived.

  48. 48.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 7:42 pm

    @JPL: Also the picture showed real pain that happens when you arrive at the border.

  49. 49.

    Frankensteinbeck

    June 22, 2018 at 7:44 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Or Tinkerbell dies!

    Tinkerbell dies anyway, and Peter Pan doesn’t care. What an unbelievably fucked up book, and a perfect metaphor for Republicanism.

  50. 50.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 22, 2018 at 7:45 pm

    @JPL: I mean, that linked & quoted article says, “This week, Varela received a phone call from an official with Honduras’s foreign ministry, letting him know his wife and daughter were detained together. While he doesn’t know anything about the conditions of the facility or what is next for Sanchez and Yanela, he was relieved to hear they were in the same place.”

    But we’re falling into the trap of caring about these details instead of what really matters…

    @NotMax: Woohoo!

  51. 51.

    Barbara

    June 22, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Let’s not waste our time deliberating fault unless it’s something we can blame on Hillary.

    But really, all I really want to know is how Badger fared today at the vet.

  52. 52.

    Kay

    June 22, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    I love that crazy planting, Betty.

  53. 53.

    Doug R

    June 22, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    I believe it’s pronounced “palais gar-DEN”

  54. 54.

    zhena gogolia

    June 22, 2018 at 7:54 pm

    @JPL:

    I wasn’t yelling at you, just at all the people who think there is some kind of meaningful “discovery” here. She was a symbol.

  55. 55.

    Phylllis

    June 22, 2018 at 7:55 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Haley is at a Sarah Palin level of stupidity (and will probably run for president in 2020).

    Trust me, she is off the chart more stupid than Palin.

  56. 56.

    satby

    June 22, 2018 at 7:57 pm

    @delk: I was thinking of you today, and how much it sucks that you’re without your sweet Gav right at a time when we really need our furbabies for comfort.
    I hope knowing you gave him a great life full of love and happiness comforts you in time.

  57. 57.

    efgoldman

    June 22, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    Clap your hands louder, Republicans

    Leopards and faces.
    I feel badly for their employees (although a goodly number of them probably voted for Weasel Face, too) but….

    Fuckem

  58. 58.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    June 22, 2018 at 8:01 pm

    @debbie:

    Agreed. I don’t remember the initial coverage saying that this little girl had been separated. But the picture was a hard-hitting symbol of the whole clusterfuck and went viral because of that.

  59. 59.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 22, 2018 at 8:02 pm

    @JPL: got a lot of rain, but the wind wasn’t too bad. Never lost power, except politically a few years ago when the state flipped to red. Have had many branches down in the last few weeks, though. Wife and I have been puzzled by the amount of rain we’ve had this month. It’s almost as if the climate has been changing….

  60. 60.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    June 22, 2018 at 8:03 pm

    Laura Jarrett @ LauraAJarrett
    The House Judiciary Committee Chairman has just subpoenaed FBI Special Agent Peter Strzok for a deposition on June 27, 2018 at 10:00 am; his lawyer said last week he would come voluntarily

    empty wheel @ emptywheel
    Note what the chicken shits did.
    This is a deposition, not public testimony.

    southpaw Retweeted Laura Jarrett
    If you’re going to drop a subpoena on a willing witness, it’s pretty cheap not to give him a public hearing. Two branches of our government have been dragging Strzok’s name through the mud for at least six months. Let him come with counsel and tell his side to the country.

    If Strozk wants to fuck them right back, he should hire Avenanti, at least as his ‘public spokesman’ or some such

  61. 61.

    The Dangerman

    June 22, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    @Phylllis:

    Trust me, she is off the chart more stupid than Palin.

    Almost impossible (though there was that rumor that she and Trump were dancing in the sheets, which would be incontrovertible evidence).

  62. 62.

    efgoldman

    June 22, 2018 at 8:04 pm

    My eternal 11-year old is time-wasting with Battlebots.
    Hey, it’s more realistic than wrasslin’

  63. 63.

    Mary G

    June 22, 2018 at 8:07 pm

    Betty is credited by someone who’s getting noticed more and more:

    I decided to find the first use of the hashtag #Cult45 to refer to trumpists, and this appears to be it. The first use of the term "Cult45" without a hash was nine days earlier from the same account. Take a bow, Betty Cracker. t.co/SvdDehv9B3— Frederick Douglass (@OnlyRealFred) June 22, 2018

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I second this endorsement. I love Carpool Kareoke, and McCartney is super cool surprising people in Liverpool.

  64. 64.

    Major Major Major Major

    June 22, 2018 at 8:08 pm

    Here is Samwise, nature’s perfect killing machine, playing with string.

  65. 65.

    Mnemosyne

    June 22, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    @Elizabelle:

    Now I’m wondering if they were not separated because ICE knew a photo had been taken. ?

  66. 66.

    efgoldman

    June 22, 2018 at 8:17 pm

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’m wondering if they were not separated because ICE knew a photo had been taken

    Meanwhile the lying gestapo says they’ve reunited 500 kids and families, and the rest will be together by the weekend.
    HOW THE FUCK DO THEY KNOW??!? THEY DIDN’T KEEP ANY FUCKING RECORDS!!!?!

  67. 67.

    Mnemosyne

    June 22, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yeah, we have a third-hand report saying that they were not separated as of a few days ago and that’s “proof” that the photo is a lie?

  68. 68.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2018 at 8:23 pm

    @JPL:

    My son was going to visit, and I told him to hold off. Good call on my part.

    During Friday afternoon rush hour, no less! Good call indeed.

  69. 69.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 8:25 pm

    @zhena gogolia: She still is.

  70. 70.

    JPL

    June 22, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: He brings over his pup, and I was concerned about her safety. I don’t think he appreciated that part.

  71. 71.

    jl

    June 22, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Not sure if this will make Lady Cracker’s crummy day better or worse, but here goes:
    The GOP, and Ryan, just cannot help themselves. I guess they figure if they get it through committee, the next theft will be ready to roll that much sooner if they retain the House after November.
    But, I have a feeling it won’t go unnoticed.

    Stealing money people need to live, just sitting there, waiting to be taken… so tempting.. Well, gosh let’s just dip our toes in the water before the election and get ready to make a grab for it.

    House GOP plan would cut Medicare, Social Security to balance budget
    The budget would transform Medicaid, the federal-state health-care program for the poor, by limiting per-capita payments or allowing states to turn it into a block-grant program
    denverpost.com/2018/06/20/medicare-social-security-cuts-budget/

  72. 72.

    SiubhanDuinne

    June 22, 2018 at 8:30 pm

    @JPL:

    Heh. Priorities.

  73. 73.

    debbie

    June 22, 2018 at 8:31 pm

    @Steeplejack (phone):

    I listened To Glenn Beck this morning discredit the entire protest just with the dispute over whether the child and mother were separated or not.

  74. 74.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2018 at 8:32 pm

    @Mnemosyne

    It’s a helluva lot more real than the phony TIME cover the tangerine tsar had hanging at his golf club(s).

  75. 75.

    Mingobat (f/k/a Karen in GA)

    June 22, 2018 at 8:33 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt: Saw it this morning, and I’m watching it with my husband now. Absolutely joyous.

    (It helps that I visited Liverpool a few years ago and did the whole Beatle tourist thing, including Penny Lane and the National Trust tours of Lennon’s and McCartney’s childhood homes. Photographs aren’t allowed in the houses, so I loved seeing the inside of his former home again. It brought back my own happy memories.)

  76. 76.

    NotMax

    June 22, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    @jl

    Shafting the poor and needy is Ryan’s VIagra.

  77. 77.

    efgoldman

    June 22, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    @debbie:

    I listened To Glenn Beck this morning discredit the entire protes

    He’s as credible as the rest of them, from Weasel Face on down. Why did you bother?

    Meanwhile, aww those poor staffers

  78. 78.

    sukabi

    June 22, 2018 at 8:40 pm

    @Elizabelle: just because she wasn’t separated from her mom doesn’t mean she hasn’t been traumatized. It also does NOT negate the fact that THOUSANDS of children have been separated from their parents, or the fact that DHS has admitted they have almost 12,000 children incarcerated.

  79. 79.

    Mary G

    June 22, 2018 at 8:42 pm

    Kamala brought the fire today. Not many protesters in view because they keep parking very limited. She said “I’m a career prosecutor, so I’ve spent a lot of time visiting jails, and that place behind us is a jail.” Inmates who work are paid $1 per day. The administration of the place told Kamala the unaccompanied kids are given free phone calls to their parents. She found out that’s not true. They have to pay 85 cents a minute, so a day’s work gets you a 1 minute, 20 second call.

    A few moments ago I finished visiting with mothers who were separated from their children at the border. I can tell you they are in utter despair. The stories they shared with me paint a picture of human rights abuses being committed by our government. We are so much better this. pic.twitter.com/lEeIOtEjWU— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) June 22, 2018

  80. 80.

    debbie

    June 22, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Yeah, poor staffers. Before long, they won’t even be able to go out on dates either. ?

  81. 81.

    M. Bouffant

    June 22, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    What’s wrong w/ these people?

    Trump autographed photos of deceased crime victims for White House ‘Angel Families’ event
    President Donald Trump appears to have autographed photos of deceased young people that were featured at a White House event Friday highlighting victims of crimes committed by undocumented immigrants.

  82. 82.

    Omnes Omnibus

    June 22, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    @M. Bouffant: They are assholes. Or was that question rhetorical?

  83. 83.

    Mnemosyne

    June 22, 2018 at 8:48 pm

    @Mary G:

    Not many protesters in view because they keep parking very limited.

    Next time, they need a rendezvous point and carpools.

  84. 84.

    Steve in the ATL

    June 22, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    @M. Bouffant: what bullshit phrasing. To be an angel family, you have to do something that helps people in a huge way. You don’t get called that for being a crime victim.

  85. 85.

    ixnay

    June 22, 2018 at 8:49 pm

    @Litlebritdifrnt: I am not an undying fan of Sir Paul, but this is definitely worth the time.

  86. 86.

    Brickley Paiste

    June 22, 2018 at 8:50 pm

    @lamh36:

    Pretty well. Apparently the photographer said that he made some assumptions …

  87. 87.

    japa21

    June 22, 2018 at 8:54 pm

    @Steve in the ATL: I can feel some sympathy for the families. They have gone through great pain and suffering and people in those situations ask the question “why?”. And Trump is giving them a answer. It’s a bad answer, but for them it is something.

    The thing is, Trump doesn’t give a rat’s ass about them except as a means to gin up more fear on the part of the populace at large.

    Trump complains about football players not respecting the flag or the anthem. He doesn’t even know what they stand for and he, and just about every other Republican apparently thinks the last words of the anthem are “the home of the yellow-bellied, afraid of their own shadows, cowards>”

  88. 88.

    Mnemosyne

    June 22, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    @Brickley Paiste:

    The father says that he got a call from the Honduran consulate saying they were together, but he hasn’t actually talked to his wife and confirmed that.

    Which goes to show that the photo is totally fake and the kid is at Chuck E Cheese with her mom right now, amirite?

  89. 89.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 22, 2018 at 8:55 pm

    @Steve in the ATL:
    I for one am not comfortable using the word “angel” to describe anyone because no one is an angel. We all have darker sides and this term ignores this and deifies these people.

  90. 90.

    ? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?

    June 22, 2018 at 8:58 pm

    @Brickley Paiste:
    But it doesn’t matter. We don’t know what happened afterwards and the kid was clearly traumatized. There are thousands of children suffering right now and we know for a fact one has already died.

  91. 91.

    Brickley Paiste

    June 22, 2018 at 9:02 pm

    @? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
    Agree with the bigger picture.

    I was answering a question someone asked upthread.

  92. 92.

    Auntie Beak

    June 22, 2018 at 9:03 pm

    @frosty fred: Right? I had the same question when I saw this. Edible purslane has more rounded, fleshier leaves.

  93. 93.

    Mai naem mobile

    June 22, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    @Phylllis: Paley can’t be more stupid than Palin. Palin was not just not the brightest bulb on the christmas tree she is that one light that faintly flickers very intermittently. .

  94. 94.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: ooh, scary. :-)

  95. 95.

    TenguPhule

    June 22, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    @Mary G:

    . The administration of the place told Kamala the unaccompanied kids are given free phone calls to their parents. She found out that’s not true. They have to pay 85 cents a minute, so a day’s work gets you a 1 minute, 20 second call.

    Child involuntary slave labor.

    SON OF A BITCH.

  96. 96.

    ixnay

    June 22, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    @Major Major Major Major: oh please not string as a toy nothing makes a vet’s or, for that matter, a cat’s gut clench more than a “linear foreign body.” Please trust me on this one.

  97. 97.

    WaterGirl

    June 22, 2018 at 9:17 pm

    @ixnay:

    @Major Major Major Major: I should have noticed that. A vet friend of mine put the fear of god into me about ribbon, particularly the kind you can curl with scissors.

  98. 98.

    QuaintIrene

    June 22, 2018 at 10:13 pm

    Purslane, as Ive known it, is a weed that makes its appearance in the garden around July. Low ground cover, fleshly leaves and prolific as, well, as a weed. Its edible, the leaves added to salads, the stems pickled, Ive even read that it can be added to gumbo in place of okra.

  99. 99.

    J R in WV

    June 22, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    @lamh36:

    Susan Sarandon… Her family ran a nice place in my hometown, The Eat Well Cafe.

    I will never see Ms Sarandon again in my entire life, ever. If she is on a TV show, I will turn it off or change the channel. If she is in a movie, I will not pay a bleeding nickel to see it. She is dead to me because of her extreme lack of common sense.

  100. 100.

    leeleeFL

    June 23, 2018 at 2:15 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Likely not, as she is so convinced that she was right to say what she did, that tsking ANY responsibility fir the awfulness we are experiencing now would not occur to her. Ever hear of Ralph Nader? Aa much good as he has accomplished, I will never forgive him for Florida, 2000, period! Susan will get no quarter from me as well. Wonder if they care. NOT!

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