I’m not even going to link to the media outlet that posted this article.
Nor am I going to post the photograph.
Anyone who isn’t working their behind off to get Biden elected either needs to wake up or get their priorities straight.
Let’s set an example for folks who may not have figure out how to help yet.
What is everyone here doing? (I know you guys are donating through Balloon Juice, and we are making a difference there.)
Open thread.
wenchacha
What the fuck is Adam Schiff about now? I read he is reissuing his demand that Biden step down?
I do not understand this.
patrick II
Any ideas about who Harris should pick as VP?
Yutsano
@patrick II: Sure as shit ain’t gonna be Adam Schiff! I’d love Gavin Newsom though.
ssdd
Always
Be
Griftin’
Princess
@Yutsano: Who do you think Schiff is doing this for?
WaterGirl
@patrick II: @Yutsano:
I don’t understand. Why are you talking as if Biden is dropping out? If it’s a joke, it’s not funny,
wenchacha
@ssdd: If it’s a grift, it’s unforgivable. How has Joe Biden hurt Adam Schiff?
And what the fuck is wrong with my griftdar if I can’t see it. It feels like I am as lousy at being a judge of character as all the cultists for CFDJT.
I fell for John Edwards, once. Dammit
gratuitous
You know what’s weird? I’ll tell you what I think is weird. Some prominent Democrats are publicly proclaiming that Joe Biden should forego the nomination, ostensibly because they don’t think he can win in November. Folks like Adam Schiff and Lloyd Doggett are getting all kinds of media attention for their, uh, let’s call it “bold” contrarianism. Is there concomitant coverage of any Republicans calling for the 34 times convicted felon to step down? Weird, huh?
In any case, I have to tell the doomsayers thanks but no thanks. I cast my ballot in the primary knowing full well that Joe Biden is 81 years old. I also know that he sometimes has trouble speaking, but I know what he means. His opponent, the felon, speaks quite clearly, but then his political handlers, party sycophants, and media courtiers all fan out the explain to the poor dumb electorate that what they heard the felon say is not really what he meant, and boy, aren’t you dumb for not knowing that?
Like I said, weird.
WV Blondie
I just moved from a blue-ish small town in WV (yes, they exist) to a reddish town in blue Virginia. Just got off the phone after speaking with the chair of the county Democratic committee, who was thrilled that I got in touch. I haven’t registered to vote yet – no proof of residency in hand, but it’s on its way – but that won’t stop me and spouse from volunteering! I’m still in Joe’s corner, because I know he’s in my corner.
TBone
I wish I could post the Dotard wearing a big doggo Cone of Shame meme I have right here, right now.
Everyone I texted it to loved it! Mockery is a superpower.
bbleh
@Princess: @wenchacha: @WaterGirl: saw comments in TWO earlier threads that he’s hurting for cash (very different from a year ago) and this is a donor squeeze. No idea if true, but it seems … odd.
Paul W.
There isn’t much reporting on it, but would love help from front pagers on this site to track how things are looking in the Senate and what the fuck is happening in the House?!
Can anyone even do a basic look at fundraising since polls are harder to come by? It’s such a big info gap.
zhena gogolia
I wish I could delete the front-page post I did for BJ extolling the bravery of Adam Schiff. I wish I’d never laid eyes on him.
WaterGirl
@TBone: Here you go. I didn’t post it because I don’t think it’s fun or funny.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: I am disgusted. I thought so much better of him than this.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: He rose to the moment with the impeachment, and now he’s – I don’t know what the hell he thinks he’s doing.
But it sure as hell isn’t good for the country.
Harrison Wesley
This right here is the essence of Donald Trump. It’s so gross it’s almost funny. Except the guy could be our next President. That’s not funny.
Old School
@Paul W.:
Everyone’s losing. I get plenty of emails asking for donations because of a bad poll that’s just come out. Lots of folks here worried about Biden will talk about horrible polls they’ve seen (but can’t link to for whatever reason).
Here’s an article about Republicans worried they can’t win the Senate.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: I guess he thinks it’s good for him.
Josie
@WaterGirl: Agree
dc
I have been phone banking (something I detest) with the county party, I will be canvassing to flip our state appeals and supreme court (long term project) and for nearby state districts for our state government (my county is overwhelmingly Dem), I’ve tabled an event registering voters and passing out a QR code that reminds voters when early voting starts, I’ve written a few post cards, I’m going to a county party event to put stamps on a boatload of postcards to send them out. I’ve donated to the organizations that this blog promotes as well as to Biden and once a couple of days ago to the DNC (my response to the Fascist Party’s hate fest this week). I’ve also donated to abortion rights and services groups working in the South.
VFX Lurker
Yesterday, I:
– Donated $25 to Postcards to Swing States
– Signed up for the Postcards to Swing States email list
– Wrote ten Postcards to Voters in Florida
– Posted a photo of the postcards I wrote to my Facebook feed.
– The same photo included a handwritten note with this message: “Vote. Donate. Volunteer. Stop Project 2025.” In the photo description, I wrote “I wrote these while listening to Andy Serkis narrate The Silmarillion.” The rest of my text description then focused on Andy Serkis’ brilliant narration of The Silmarillion. If Facebook is muting any posts with “Project 2025” in them, maybe my photo will reach more people in my circles.
Today, I:
– Am ignoring the media magnifying glass applied to missteps by any Democrat
– Will focus on what more I can do to get Biden-Harris elected this November.
Paul in KY
@patrick II: Sen. Fetterman.
WaterGirl
@Harrison Wesley: There is something terribly wrong with Trump. He is not normal, he doesn’t react to things like a regular human.
Irreparably broken is the kindest thing I could say.
schrodingers_cat
@zhena gogolia: He is after donor money suggested a California BJer yesterday.
Chris Johnson
I got back into Twitter. I know it’s a complete shithole, but there’s a reason I’m finding it more fun than I used to.
I used to think the things I saw were authentic.
I smartened up about that when I watched the whole MSM uniformly start pushing Russian narratives without taking a breath, months before an appropriate time for an October Surprise. (There are some exceptions)
Now, I’ll go on Twitter and find stuff that’s blowing up, and I’ll ‘like’ the real people who are giving pushback to bots. I’ll sass people, and I’ll wise off in a way considerably more lively than I choose to do here. I figure it’s like the opposite of stochastic terrorism: can’t hurt to go on the hellsite, and just whack moles for a while, and give people crap that deserve it, knowing that 90% is simply coming out of St Petersburg or wherever, and tying up people (even if they’re aided by ChatGPT) who might otherwise be marching on Ukraine.
And so, I amuse myself among the ashes of what once was a community, and then come back to here, which is still mostly a community. If I want it to be a nice contrast I can get frisky with the pie filter.
Joe Biden is going to win the election because he’s a real human and people can trust him. Pie me, you trolls, you fuckers :D
(hint: paid trolls will always get the last word, so you gotta deprive them of non-pie-related munchies)
wenchacha
@dc: Total respect.
ssdd
@wenchacha: I was referring to the sneakers. Schiff is just a putz.
Trollhattan
You know what my high school, and my kid’s high school lacked? A rifle team.
Try that in a small town. Wait.
wenchacha
@Trollhattan: Pennsyltucky, all the way.
Loving those guns.
gvg
@WaterGirl: When is the California Senate primary and who are the other candidates? I thought he was the likely winner, but now I wonder.
Drat, I looked it up. Primary already ran and its him versus a republican, so we need to vote for him.
Soprano2
@schrodingers_cat: This reinforces my suspicion that this is donor driven.
Chris Johnson
@Old School: Republicans would be worried they can’t win the Senate/House because far too many of the statewide organizations are broke, or have been torn apart by the same struggles for control that have been won in the national organization by Trump and his people. This goes on at the state level too (for instance, Michigan) but without being able to also run Trump for the statewide position.
They have to fund GOTV operations for an electorate which now knows the Republicans have been keeping lists of gun owners, on them. They have to fund GOTV operations while also using a compliant MSM to persuade moderates that they represent a centrist position that the base will. not. tolerate.
Damn right they should be worried. They’re deeply, deeply fucked.
They are gambling on being able to run another insurrection, seize AND DISBAND government in its entirety, and then HOLD that position in any realistic way. It’s absolutely fucking psychotic. Their plan is wildly impractical and cannot work on any level.
Soprano2
@gvg: They already had it, Schiff won the Senate race.
Another Scott
Meanwhile, …
Nitter (Twitter version)
Hang in there, everyone. Eyes on the prizes.
Cheers,
Scott.
Kathleen
Repost from a thread below. The video was made 5 days ago.
FWIW – From Simon Rosenberg (Hopium) IMHO this is a balanced, data driven discussion of “where we are”, including some interesting polling data on Kamala Harris, which according to Simon Rosenberg has not been previously available. Don’t necessarily agree with all of it but it is a good overview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkdZ5yeWEiA&ab_channel=SimonRosenberg
Nelle
@WaterGirl: I called and left a message at his office. Forgot to say that this ends donations to his campaign.
zhena gogolia
@VFX Lurker: I signed up for Postcards to Swing States. I sent a few contributions to Biden-Harris and also started a second monthly contribution to them. I talk to anyone I get near about the importance of the election.
Bupalos
@zhena gogolia: lot of folks going from “hero” to “unperson” on the strength of a belief that what some of the most D connected reporters and skuttlebutters are saying is wronglietreason. That the vast majority of D pols think Biden is making a terrible mistake and some are desperate to try and stop him from doing that. While others are like “I’m not getting unpersoned for that!”
I don’t want to try and discuss the issue itself and consider it closed in this space, But as a meta-issue, maybe y’all shouldn’t be quite so sure people like Schiff or Pelosi aren’t who they always were and doing what they’ve always done but instead have suddenly gone insane. Possibly their judgment could even be better than yours or mine wrt this whole politics/counting thing.
Again this is a META thought about certainty and uncertainty, not raising the issue which shall not be named.
Soprano2
I went home at noon to see if my cat had come back yet, but no luck. When I go home later to try to take him to the vet I’ll search the house too, there are a couple of places where he might have holed up, but he was hanging out by the back door last night so I’m afraid he went outside. If he never comes home I’m going to hate myself for days and days for not making sure he was secured inside before I went to bed.
How’s your day going?
ETA – at least Schiff has the balls to say it publicly, rather than leak it to Politico as a “top Democrat”. I still hate that he did it, but at least he’s being honest.
WaterGirl
@zhena gogolia: If you would like to do another guest post about Adam Schiff, I would happily put it up.
zhena gogolia
@Bupalos: WHAT IS THEIR PLAN AND HOW DO THEY PROPOSE TO DISENFRANCHISE 14 MILLION PEOPLE?
If they have no such plan, and they don’t, then all they’re doing is getting in the way of people who want to win the election with the nominated candidate.
And I’ll ask again, when did the presidential nominee of one of the two major parties (not to mention the sitting President) ever step down merely because they were behind in the polls in July? No one has answered this question yet. I’d be interested to hear.
WaterGirl
@gvg: Yeppers. Even with this betrayal, Schiff is better than a republican.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: No, I’m done thinking about him.
I contributed to him once in my impeachment euphoria, then they wouldn’t let me alone — for years.
Bupalos
@zhena gogolia: The answer is never. The answer to just about every question you can pose about this election is also never.
Does Schiff have a plan? Hell if I know. All I’m speaking for here is uncertainty. When we’re calling Pelosi stupid and disloyal…. Maybe. Or maybe we don’t actually see the whole picture here.
zhena gogolia
@WaterGirl: If I were in CA, I wouldn’t vote for him now. Apologies to Katie Porter.
zhena gogolia
@Bupalos: That’s a pretty fucking pathetic answer.
Chris
@WaterGirl:
One of the craziest things about Trump is that he’s managed to turn “Hitler was nice to his dog” from an Internet satire of stupid people looking for pointless redeeming features in reactionaries, into something that actually feels meaningful.
Whether or not Hitler was nice to his dog still doesn’t say much about Hitler. But it says so much about Trump that no one can even imagine saying anything that humanizing about him. It’s not the extent of Trump’s bad qualities. It’s the total absence of any good qualities, anywhere, no matter how tiny.
And now we’ve got half a country that thinks Trump’s a role model worth living up to.
Sister Golden Bear
@gvg: We need to vote for Schiff this time around, since the primary was back in March, but I’m going to be contacting his office/campaign and let them know in no uncertain terms that I will support primarying him in 6 years if he doesn’t STFU and get on board.
Given it’s CA, there’s almost no chance he’s going to lose the Senate race this time around, especially given who he’s running against.
dc
@wenchacha: You can do some of the same or similar in your city, town or county. If you want to help NC, this is the calendar of opportunities and events for the county Dems where I live: durhamdemocrats.org/volunteer-events/
It has phone banking opportunities, you don’t have to be local and you are calling Dem voters looking to get people involved.
This is County to County, an organization that gets people from heavily Dem counties to help campaigns in competitive races in counties nearby: countytocountync.org/volunteers
There are phone banking (for state reps and senators) and postcard writing opportunities.
Taking action is empowering.
Soprano2
@Bupalos: I echo what Zhena says. They’re saying generic things and asking us to trust them that the polls have suddenly tanked for Democrats so badly that there is no possible way to recover before voting starts. All of this cannot be due to one poor debate performance by Biden.
cain
I’m manifesting a timeline where Biden refuses to drop out and then wins.
If Biden can’t win – I dont’ see how any other candidate is going to win either. I mean, you’re competing with a guy who is also old but also a piece of shit and the polls say they want the piece of shit even though both are old. Biden as he has shown is definitely sharper than Trump.
Also, I’m seeing some movement towards Biden in the polling as well. I think JD is going to be bad for the party. The racists are already angry about his wife. The Brits are angry about JD calling them an Islamist country. I mean, the two of them are just going to shit all over everything.
We should vote Dems because they can stop thinking about politics for 4 years.
Salty Sam
You are correct.
Old School
@zhena gogolia:
Not a major party, but Ross Perot did. (He also said Bush was going to sabotage his daughter’s wedding.)
Even though he re-entered in October, he didn’t win.
I can’t say this offers any lessons for 2024.
cain
@Soprano2: It is COMPLETELY donor driven. This is not some kind of mass rejection. Look at all those crowds yelling for Biden to stay in the race.
The thing is, those rich donors don’t like Biden’s tax policies. Neither do the media companies.
I don’t mind if Biden starts attacking those who want to use their wealth to curry favor.
WaterGirl
@Old School: The difference between Ross Perot and a major party is so large it can’t even be measured.
WaterGirl
I am trying to recall the last time I felt this angry, and I cannot.
Belafon
I think, even if something bad were to happen to Trump, his corpse would still find a way to fundraise off of it. He’s trained himself so much in the con that he doesn’t actually have to be conscious to do it.
mrmoshpotato
True since the 1970’s.
I really hate this timeline.
sab
@Princess: He needs big donors and they are doing their control thing, as per usual.
Eyeroller
@cain: I agree that this is donor driven, but I don’t think it’s a particular group of donors. It’s just a lot of them. Some are basically Republicans who are ratfucking us (the “pass the torch” assholes). Some are techbros, perhaps. Quite a few seem to be leftier-than-thou types from the entertainment and similar industries. That may be why we are not getting any coherent “plan” out of the “Dump Biden” crew. The only shared goal is getting rid of Biden.
skerry
@WaterGirl: I agree with you. Not funny
Ishiyama
Dead Horse, Dead Parrot, what’s the difference? Nothing could be more historically & hysterically offensive to the intelligent observer than the arguments, such as they are, for demanding that Joe Biden step down. Go read Finley Peter Dunne (Mr. Dooley) on the public reaction to the youthful Teddy Roosevelt becoming President after McKinley was shot, for a look at the other end of ageism.
In the summer of 1864, Elihu Washburne was pointed out as the “only Lincoln man in Washington”.
Go suck on a turnip.
Aurora S
@WaterGirl: Can we put the cone of shame on Adam Schiff and the Pod Save Whatevs guys?
WeimarGerman
open thread: going to link this 1941 article by Dorothy Thompson, harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/. It’s remarkably enduring list of personalities similar to Mayer’s “They thought They Were Free” which looks at a list of ordinary townspeople in Germany and who became a Nazi and for which reasons.
sab
@bbleh: CA candidates have trouble raising money (remember Kamala’s difficulties?) I don’t know why that is. I assume the small fry think the big donors will take care of it. And the media market is insanely expensive.
Hungry Joe
Finally got the 150 postcards I ordered. Wrote five this morning, and I’m here to tell you I FEEL BETTER! Goal is 5-10 a day, then order more.
Its odd — I can canvass and I can write post cards, but I can’t phone bank; it actually gives me vertigo. So figure out what you’re able to do, and then do it. Griping and shouting at clouds can be cathartic, but … enough. ACT!
Mike in NC
Wow. There is no bottom with Donald Trump, but we already knew that. One of the worst people that ever lived.
Cathie from Canada
@WaterGirl: Maybe somebody has convinced Schiff that he could be nominated for president if Biden was out of the way — he does have enough ego to believe that.
Belafon
@sab: Been blue for so long that the median Democrat thinks someone else will take care of it?
Ksmiami
I just called schiffs senate campaign office and told them off. This is unseemly. His number is 818-841-2828.
cain
@WaterGirl:
When Trump got elected?
Mike E
@Mike in NC: with the media elevating him his feet never touch the ground, lifts not needed.
Lapassionara
@WaterGirl: Ditto. I just saw a list of the things that are going right with the US economy, and how those things are mostly the result of Biden’s policies. Why anyone would want to change our candidate at this stage of the race is a complete mystery.
My guess is this is donor driven, but that’s just a guess.
ETA: If the donors get their way, we are in unchartered territory. I’m contemplating moving to Scotland.
prostratedragon
On the motivation of the virtual roll call.
oldgold
What do Schiff and Pelosi have in common besides being consummate pols?
They are both from California and close to Harris.
Who our nominee is going to be remains unresolved. That it does at this time surprises me. I thought within a week to 10 days of the debate debacle it would be resolved.
Biden has been better, but not enough better to button this up.
Last year, I argued here that Biden was too old and should step aside. And, was beaten to a pulp for so doing. Despite that, at this time I am undecided if Biden Stepping aside is currently our best play. I just want to move forward in the manner that gives us the best chance to beat Trump.
The internal polling numbers and the big donor$ are going to tell this tale. The sooner it is resolved the better.
Mike E
@Cathie from Canada: he’s starting to look like he’s huffing his own farts on the regular
MinuteMan
2000?
JoyceH
Called Schiff’s office and left a message. As best as I recall, the.message was: For the next four months, NO Democrat should be saying anything other than that Donald Trump is corrupt, criminal, incompetent and dangerous, and that JD Vance wants to force raped children to have babies and women to stay in abusive marriages.
sab
@zhena gogolia: As an Ohioan with JD Vance as senator because Ohio people were mad at Tim Ryan, I think your comment here is nuts. Calm down. Nobody outside of California really is much influenced by what Adam Schiff says right now. But we do need him in the Senate.
Another Scott
Meanwhile, … GovExec.com:
Who is it that demands we cut the government? Hmm… I can’t quite put my finger on it…
Cheers,
Scott.
Bill Arnold
@wenchacha:
The Republicans were right about Adam Schiff.
Aurora S
@Eyeroller: I see a very common theme in which the screeching and flailing is coming from dudes with platforms and privilege, perhaps because they never really thought it would be their asses on the line. Isn’t there some sort of Captain America knight in shining armor to rescue them from the Nazis? We’re the ones who get to tell everyone else how to save democracy in ten easy steps, and Joe Biden betrayed us by being imperfect. He gave us no choice but to kick him in the nuts and run away!
sab
@Belafon: That’s my guess. In the midwest we know that every Democrat down to city coucil needs help every election. And our guys don’t have to raise money for California media time.
Also too, our voters aren’t paying more for the mortgage on a modest house than my dad paid monthly for a high end nursing home. California voters are.
CaseyL
@cain: It would be very interesting for Biden to embrace hisi nner (Scranton) populist.
I think he’s been moving towards this for a while. Following where his heart is, so to speak, “Senator from
And I think that’s the main reason the Democratic Monies have turned against him.
moonbat
@WaterGirl: I’m with you. I’m livid. And I have resigned myself to the fact that some longtime commenters on here have Biden Derangement Syndrome. They just straight up hate the guy. No logic-based argument will sway them. Which means they are willing to tank our chances in November in order to see Biden removed from the ticket.
I cannot fathom it and it simply enrages me given what’s at stake. I was NOT a big fan of Hillary Clinton, especially after the primary shenanigans of 2008, but I never in a million years would have tried to chop her off at the knees after the primaries of 2016 were over especially given the existential threat posed by the opposition (which was pretty clear then and is even MORE clear now). It’s nuts.
Cacti
I said false flag from the start.
WaterGirl
@Lapassionara: This is reminding me of 9/11.
We did more damage to ourselves in the aftermath than Osama bin Laden did on Sept 11.
Somebody lit the match and started the ball rolling and a ridiculous number of Democrats are running to get more gasoline to add to the fucking fire
At this point, Dems are doing the damage to themselves. The stupidity is mind-bobbling and enraging at the same time.
I feel like I’m in the car that’s about to go off the cliff, and I’m screaming at the driver to stop and we just keep going and going and going.
WaterGirl
@moonbat: Yes to everything you wrote.
Chris Johnson
@VFX Lurker: Huh! I don’t want to mess with Facebook, but I love that: very clever! Very 2024.
Trollhattan
Having recalibrated their blame vector, Republicans have chosen a target.
Bonus points that she’s a girl.
Ishiyama
@Bill Arnold: Adam Schiff? More like Adam Shift.
How to tell who is owned by their donors: when you see them pulled by the choke chain around their neck.
Heidi Mom
@WaterGirl: Mary Trump’s book, Too Much and Never Enough, does a good job of explaining how that came about. When Donald was a toddler, his mother was in and out of hospitals and his father was not inclined, to put it mildly, to take on the role of loving-and-caring parent. Essentially, Donald was unloved. I don’t know if it’s possible for a child who suffers such a drastic deficit at such an early age to ever overcome it.
jowriter
@zhena gogolia: I’m with you here. Not one thin dime for Schiff, who has pestered my inbox multiple times a day. He has proven his worthlessness on the national stage. If he and the other untimely Democratic public naysayers all had such reservations, they should have been voiced internally and outside the beltway megaphone, before the primaries. Only the feckless Phillips actually got into the ring. Not to mention, way to step on a perfectly visible GOP shitshow now in progress with a bit of distracting Dem-bashing. But I’m sure he doesn’t really need my small donations. Must be the tech bros he’s courting.
Ksmiami
Adam Schiff can go to hell
randy khan
@zhena gogolia:
Without expressing an opinion on whether Biden should step down, I do think that anyone says Biden should step down without proposing an actual plan for the nomination is not helping.
TooManyJens
I’m writing to my Congresscritters yet again. Would it be inappropriate to ask my Rep. to give Adam Schiff a kick in the shins for me?
chemiclord
But… Biden is just so OLD, and I read a blogger that said he had Foot Parkinson’s. This blogger talked to a social scientist, after all, I’m sure that’s suitable for a remote diagnosis, right?
Belafon
The annoying thing is that it was running it’s course until Schiff decided to start it back up.
Though early indications at DK show that Schiff is probably going to suffer politically for this. Imagine him trying to win the Democratic nomination now.
WaterGirl
Dog help me, I am about to let Wil out of their 10-day timeout, per the rules of engagement. (aka the BJ comment policy) If we see the same thing again, and I hope we don’t, please bring it to my attention ASAP.
I am really bogged down with work, plus it’s maddening to see some Democrats lighting ourselves on fire, that I am not following a lot of the BJ threads right now.
So send me an email, please if the derailing commences again.
moonbat
@TooManyJens: I wrote to Fetterman and Casey to ask them to yell at Warner the other day, so why not?
Another Scott
Made me look… 2024 Senate Race at OpenSecrets.org:
This 23-24 cycle Schiff has raised $38.7M, spent $53.3M, and had $6.5M on hand as of 6/30.
Garvey has raised $5.5M, spent $3.9M, and had $1.6M on hand as of 3/31.
A vote for Schiff is a vote for Democratic leadership in the Senate.
Eyes on the prizes.
Cheers,
Scott.
Eyeroller
@randy khan: Some of them do have plans. The problem is, they don’t all have the same plan.
WaterGirl
@TooManyJens: I have never seen balls spelled that way before!
Chris
@WaterGirl:
Yeah, I’ve had that same thought. The last time this many Democrats shit themselves and ran screaming to join the Fox News narrative was, in fact, right after 9/11.
Quadrillipede
Excellent title! 😆👍
(Now I suppose I should read the rest of the post too…)
Omnes Omnibus
You know, I remember back in early 2020, there were commenters who were convinced that the Democratic nominee was going to be either Sanders or Bloomberg and were mentally preparing to pick there poison. A number of people, including me, pointed out that there were still four real Democrats in the race, Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar. I wonder why that memory is coming to mind today?
Trollhattan
TBF “cutting gummint” is a handmaiden to privatizing the hell outta everything.
The King’s speech today is interesting reading, being very not-Tory in its intentions and goals. Planning and infrastructure? Renters’ rights? Leasehold reform? State-owned energy grid? National wealth fund? Regulation of water? Passenger rail?
These items would have any Republican keel over in horror.
I don’t even live there and am relieved the Tory monsters are out on their asses.
SiubhanDuinne
@TBone:
I am desperate to see it!! Please post it, WG!
cain
@moonbat: Let’s be empathetic that their bubble might be more “biden is old” various other places. Folks like Kay have a number of great insights and we should be careful not to silo ourselves by taking too much of a hard position.
My only thing here is that this entire effort is not a result of big spend donors and the media. If there is an actual problem then of course we should do something about it but someone has to give irrefutable proof that Biden’s downsides are dragging all the tickets.
What I’m seeing at least poll wise is that Biden is not dragging the down tickets – he’s beyond those polls. But if you’re going to vote for a democrat at the state/local level I don’t see why you wouldn’t do it for Biden.
Chris Johnson
@WaterGirl: Thoughts and prayers, WaterGirl <3
RaflW
@Trollhattan: Johnson I’m sure will want to promote one of the J6 text-deleters as the new head.
cain
@CaseyL: It’s very clear from the NAACP and the various other appearances that the debate was an anomaly. It’s unfortunate that Biden did not cancel the debate given that he was sick, but he didn’t anticipate that his party would give him shiv. I think that was something he alluded to during the NAACP talk.
eemom
I stopped coming here years ago in part because I couldn’t take the collective mindless apologism for powerful Democrats who fuck up. (E.g. Pelosi’s dithering about impeachment for months before finally doing it; but especially the craven cowardice of chickenshit Merrick Garland for his entire career as AG.)
I peeked back in this week because I suspected people here would share my fury at this media and money driven fucked up shit insanity against Biden, so thanks to y’all for that.
Chris Johnson
@cain: You absolutely would. I’ve seen hard leftist places where they were TOTALLY caught up in the Palestine thing (before that suddenly and mysteriously flicked off like a fucking switch) and even those people gave the sense that they were going to vote the full blue ticket, largely because there was no alternative whatsoever. They were convinced they were gonna die, but they were gonna vote on their way out, dammit, full of bitterness and still they were intending to show up for what they thought a futile exercise.
It took a huge amount of troll manpower even to get them into THAT state. Because voting is not actually all that difficult, especially when the choice is that stark.
Ballot boxes don’t care about your feelings. But they do care about real humans showing up and doing their civic duty, so they can be represented.
SiubhanDuinne
Are the sneakers gold? Because I’m sure as hell not parting with three fucking hundred bucks if they’re not gold.
moonbat
@cain: I’ve tried to be empathetic given that many of the BDS sufferers are in deep red states, but it’s fish or cut bait time. And whatever silo they may be in at home, when they come here they are provided with a buffet of fact-based counter points yet refuse to seriously consider any of them. It’s dragging down the entire culture of the site when every thread devolves into a T-bogg unit of back and forths over the same damn points.
cain
@eemom: MG is definitely a chickenshit. Of course, he now reaps what he sows – the institution he loves so much is going to be torn apart and yet he still won’t do anything.
SiubhanDuinne
@eemom:
I thought you left because too many people were saying things like “a couple weeks” or “a couple guys” or “a couple beers.” :-)
It’s good to see you back, eemom. I hope you’ll drop by now and then.
guachi
Trump sucks so much his comments about shaking down Taiwan caused tech stocks to tank
On the Democratic side, Dems are happy with Harris if she takes over for Biden.
Approve of Harris taking over if Biden steps aside
(DEM Voters) Approve 79%
Disapprove 11%
Economist B+ – 557V – 7/16
Belafon
@Another Scott: There’s a number of Democrats we will have to vote for this year, that will have to answer some serious questions when they are up for reelection.
Cacti
@Ishiyama: In the previous thread I mentioned that I was just waiting for the commenters here at this liberal blog to adopt Trump’s pet name for Adam Schiff. Congrats. Took you less than 15 minutes.
Just another day of losing the plot here at Breitbart Juice.
cain
@moonbat: Fear is a powerful odor and sometimes hard not to smell anything else.
The best thing you can do is wish them well and then scroll on past rather than making personal attacks on fellow folks who are going to vote for Biden anyways.
I’m still confident that Biden is going to pull this off. I don’t now much about internal pollings or anything else. But we need to be disciplined not to have this internecine war depress turn out, the down tickets or anything else.
The stakes are high because the SCOTUS pretty much removed all the guardrails on the executive. It’s very important to let people know that the unitary executive bits have finally come to play. The SCOTUS literally gave up its own power as a check and balance for the President. Absolutely insane.
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@cain:
The recent SCOTUS decisions show that, imo, it wouldn’t have mattered if Garland had acted sooner, if he even could have. I think the court majority would have ruled the same way they did
I think the real issue was Sinemachin and potentially other Dem Senators hiding behind them in their refusal to enact filibuster reform
TooManyJens
@WaterGirl: Well, you know, tryin’ to keep it classy.
Bex
@eemom: Nice to see you again and hope you stay a while.
cain
@Belafon: I think midterms after we win the presidency there will be some hard questions and definitely should ask the older members to step down for the sake of the party.
cain
@Goku (aka Amerikan Baka): There is a lot here – never mind that Obama did not fight enough to keep a SCOTUS that he was owed. That he didn’t take it to the supreme court was just bullshit. Obama and the Democratic party shares blame for not following up the constitutional duty they were owed. Especially for such a flimsy excuse provided by turtle man.
Old School
@guachi:
That’s neither here nor there as Biden isn’t stepping down.
Heck, Harris should really be the only option if Biden steps down. But he isn’t.
Chris
@moonbat:
Yeah, I think the most infuriating thing here is that anybody who’s been a Democrat for any extended period of time has had to eat a ridiculous amount of shit for the greater good – which isn’t even the fault of Democrats specifically, so much as what happens when you join any political coalition. “Yes yes, I understand that you want us to do more for [insert unpopular cause here], but there are so many bigoted Democrats and swing voters there’s simply nothing we can do! Now is the time to come together to achieve the things we can do!” “Yes yes, I understand that you wanted Clinton/you wanted Sanders/you wanted [insert 2020 non-Biden candidate here], but Obama/Clinton/Biden got more votes! Now it’s our job to come together and support him!” And so forth.
And now all of us are being told that we must, we simply must blow up the presidential campaign four months before the election with zero plan for what comes next, because part of the party is really really anxious about Biden you guys and apparently, it’s simply too much to expect these people to do what all of us have been doing our entire lives, accept the half loaf, swallow their misgivings, and go out and support the fucking team.
cain
Ive been watching the reddit stuff, and I see a lot of older Trumpers running around rage addled because of Trump. Their behaviors are being shared all over the place.
Renie
Why do I have a feeling the trump people did not pay for the rights to use that photo?? I hope the photographer goes after them.
Lyrebird
@Bupalos: I want to thank you for this post and another one maybe yesterday? where you used great care to be decent to disagreeing fellow commenters.
I oftern disagree with your comments, and not that my opinion matters, I really wanted to jump on the thread to say THANK YOU for these measured and maybe even wise posts. ETA the “maybe even” is me saying I might be no judge, not taking away from you.
FWIW to me Schiff seems to have some personality similarities with Comey, who I continue to see good in. Probably no one will agree with me now – I am not saying he didn’t eff up royally with huge consequences!!! But they’re both bright and have a strong sense of honor and maybe some similar difficulties admitting that they could have blind spots.
That’s not me saying, no I TRULY KNOW ALL, really really. Just observing.
I am thankful for BJ peeps and WG for your leading so much constructive *action*.
Trollhattan
@cain: The undercurrent occurred because it was unthinkable Trump would win, and thus Hillary would replace the Garland nomination with a not-centrist, not how-can-Republicans-possibly -refuse? nominee represented by Garland.
Oops. Sometimes you gotta play checkers.
FastEdD
Meeting up with a guy in a half hour to go over spreadsheets with volunteers to divide up turf for door knocking starting in late August. Gonna GOTV until my shoes wear out, or til I drop.
TBone
Even Digby is getting in on the mockery today 🤣
x.com/digby56/status/1813352472502841543
TooManyJens
@eemom: I definitely share the desire to hold Democrats accountable for fucking up. I think it’s all of a piece, really—the Democratic Party, at least at the national level, is scared of its own goddamn shadow. So they won’t do anything bold (I’m not talking about the stuff they legally can’t do, but rather about the things they’re too afraid to do because it would look “partisan” or might scare the imaginary diner denizens or whatever), and they’ll knife their candidate in public the second things start looking scary.
It’s been so nice to see younger Dems like AOC who aren’t afraid to stand up and say what needs to be said. Maybe with people like that we’ll be able to get some shit done—assuming we still have a democracy after this election.
Soprano2
@WaterGirl: I’m right there with you.
japa21
It was a week ago I said I would no longer comment on the situation, yet here I am because there has been little change in the situation.
Everybody, and I do mean everybody has valid reasons for concern. The most valid reason is that the GOP is totally bonkers and can win the election.
There are only a couple of commenters that are obviously really being trolls. Most of the others are raising valid concerns on both sides of the issue. Some misstate things that Biden has said. For example, he has not said that only he can beat Trump, but that he thinks he as the best chance to beat Trump. FWIW, I agree with him.
I have a lot of respect for most of the commenters on this issue, such a cmorenc, Kay and Bupalos, even if I disagree with their reasoning. I think people who react the most to their comments are reacting because their anxiety is so high.
I do think it is incumbent on those people in the real world, such as Schiff, if they are going to call upon Biden to step aside, to present a coherent plan with a reasonable chance of success in November. So far, that has not been done. And by plan, I don’t mean one like, throw it to an open convention or install Harris as the nominee. It has to be detailed and cover all the possible negatives and state why, exactly, it would be better than the current course.
I do think all these power Dems, named and unnamed will campaign strongly for Biden if he, as I suspect, is the official nominee.
Some people have said that Biden’s only job right now is to run for President, which means several campaign stops each day. Sorry, I disagree. He is, first and foremost, President. And he is President at a time which is as perilous as just about any many of us have lived through. As Kay has pointed out, we don’t have 4 months to the election, but if Biden runs all out now, how will he handle the last month of the campaign.
Which brings me to me final point. Biden is old. Biden has shown age related decline in terms of physicality. Has there been cognitive decline? I don’t know. I am not an expert in that field. Increased stuttering may just be related to age and not cognitive ability. All I know is that I have not seen any evidence of a cognitive decline which would impair his ability to be President. But his physical stamina is not what it used to be. Yet in the 2 weeks before the debate he was more active than 99% of American’s were and that undoubtedly impacted his initial performance.
To me, the impressive fact was that he recognized his own difficulties and buckled down and turned the debate around. A lot more people will see him between now and when voting starts than saw the debate. Since the people (normies) who watched the debate seemed less concerned than those that didn’t, I am hopeful (not a strategy, I know) that when they do see him, they will start wondering what all the fuss is about.
Oh, and I would like to mention that Trump is no spring chicken and has far more evidence of cognitive decline. It is obvious that his campaign staff is trying to limit his exposure, but that will become a weakness as the campaign continues.
Jeffro
@Old School:
110%
I know you think he won’t step down, and I don’t think he will either. But if he does, I hope he steps all the way down (resigns) so that VP Harris can run as POTUS Harris. The GOP will try all sorts of nonsense, ballot-wise…let them try to deny a sitting President the ability to run for re-election, even on short notice.
(And while I’m wishing away here…I hope she selects a very strong female VP to run with her. Whitmer would be ideal.)
And then just Dobbs the SHIT out of the MAGAts for four months, and win in a landslide!
(so simple, right? =)
Ok, back to the real world…still happily Ridin’ With Biden here!
UncleEbeneezer
This is the most likely outcome, imo. All this panic and shit-stirring is precisely because of that.
The Thin Black Duke
@eemom: It’s the extinction burst of the old school Blue Dogs in the Democratic Party, I believe. It’s closing the coffin lid of rich white men having quiet conversations in quiet smoke-filled rooms who won’t be able to disenfranchise marginalized groups anymore.
Omnes Omnibus
Jack Smith filed his notice of appeal of Cannon’s decision today.
cain
@Trollhattan: As the founder of my employer says, “Only the paranoid survives”
Princess
@Chris: All of this. All of it.
WaterGirl
@TooManyJens: Today is apparently NOT my day to be classy.
Princess
@Omnes Omnibus: That’s good news. Do you think it will come to anything?
TooManyJens
I hear what you’re saying but also they will absolutely do that and find judges to go along with it. Maybe it won’t work for them in the end but I’m not as confident as I’d like to be.
TBone
@Omnes Omnibus: 👍
ETA that link goes somewhere else (xit by Ragnarok) for me.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: That doesn’t appear to be going to the right tweet?
japa21
@Omnes Omnibus: Wrong link. Hopefully, it will take the necessary amount of time to resolve. A couple hours should do it.
TBone
@japa21: 😆
Mr. Bemused Senior
@WaterGirl: yes, it seems to be JD Vance selling sneakers. [ETA no doubt that was the deal 😁]
Chief Oshkosh
@bbleh: Yep. I’ve been buried in “asks” from the Schiff campaign today. I responded “nope” and asked that I be removed from the campaign’s email efforts. They asked “why?” and I told them because Schiff publicly asked for Biden to drop out.
I don’t know if it was automatic, but I got a second email asking why I wanted off their lists. They got the same answer.
Omnes Omnibus
@Princess: Her decision was completely cuckoobananpants. IMO it will be overturned and should provide reasonable grounds to have her removed.
TBone
@Omnes Omnibus: from your lips to the ears of ALL the gawds
cain
@Omnes Omnibus: Excellent. Go Jack!!
Chris Johnson
@Jeffro: With Mike Johnson as Vice President?
I’m not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Try this. x.com/kyledcheney/status/1813656317346869681?s=46&t=JWhimy25nBdJtrLTJg89-w
Jay
Got all the way through the Constitution* and did not find the provision whereby the South African oligarchs select the vice-presidential nominees on behalf of the Russian dictator.
*not the pocket one,……… it might be in that one,…….
The Thin Black Duke
“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.
“A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong.
“And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”
– Hannah Arendt,
The goal of liars isn’t clarity; it’s obfuscation, exhaustion and submission. But they only have power if we choose to give it to them.
moonbat
@cain: No worries. Once Week 3 of this debate started I began pieing most of them, though I do toggle in occasionally to see if reason has made any inroads. No luck so far, though.
I know what’s at stake. My question is: do they? Because the longer this drags on the more depressed our side becomes. Happy warriors fight harder.
guachi
@moonbat:
Something like 2/3 of Democrats want Biden to withdraw. Do they have BDS? Are they reading and commenting on Balloon Juice?
Biden’s electoral problem is people think he’s old. Biden bombed a debate he specifically asked for in order to dispel beliefs about his age. Biden’s age problem is unfixable because people understand how time works.
Biden must campaign to win but every time he speaks or does an interview he just reminds people that he’s old.
BR
Someone else pointed out that Thiel, Musk, and Sacks all have roots in apartheid South Africa and it shaped their world views that people like them should be in power to rule over others.
TooManyJens
@WaterGirl:
You should have seen how many times I had to edit that letter before I sent it.
prostratedragon
Too long for a tag:
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Thank you! New post up with that in the title.
BR
@Jay:
Oops, I posted the same almost at the same time.
moonbat
@Chris: Amen!
WaterGirl
@prostratedragon:
Let’s see if i can shorten it a bit.
moonbat
@FastEdD: Great!
WaterGirl
I’m going with this:
Chief Oshkosh
@Chris:
Just wanted to have that repeated for the general jackalariot.
Elizabelle
@eemom: hi eemom! We will have to do another DC/NoVA meetup one of these days.
cain
@moonbat: They do. I absolutely believe that. However, they don’t think that Biden can make it across the finish line.
I beg to differ. But it isn’t up to me or even people on this blog. Biden is going to have to figure it out and prove it.
guachi
@Old School:
Democratic and independent voters overwhelmingly want Biden to withdraw and have been saying for months and months he shouldn’t run. Only 1/3 of Democrats are satisfied with the current nominee. This isn’t the elites. It’s the elites finally listening to the people.
79% is much higher than 33%. The objective is to win, not placate Biden’s feelings.
Bex
@moonbat: Week three and NOBODY HAS A PLAN. The “donors”, whoever they are, won’t benefit from a Trump administration. Question is, who does benefit from ongoing chaos and confusion? Maybe chaos and confusion is the plan.
Jeffro
@Chris Johnson: you mean Speaker, right?
prostratedragon
@prostratedragon:
“Stay Outta My Business,” Tami Neilson. Needs some additional verses, but these are a good start.
M31
1) Biden drops out
2) collect underpants
3) VICTORY
is that what I’m hearing?
cain
@guachi: 2/3rds may want him to withdraw, but they will still vote for Biden.
It doesn’t change the maths. Because you want the squishy whoever these people are to vote. The base is going to vote for the Democratic nominee. Ultimately, the poll doesn’t give you an answer of the numbers. Those votes are still captured.
cain
@WaterGirl: Use chatgpt :)
UncleEbeneezer
@moonbat: When any online space refuses to set boundaries, this is what you inevitably get. Anyone who has ever moderated any online space knows this harsh reality. It only takes a handful of commenters in trolling mode to effectively ruin a space.
A hard/fast “No more talk about replacing Biden unless/until he announces he is out” with concrete penalties, established a week ago, would’ve avoided this shit-show altogether. As someone who has run political FB groups, I know it’s not fun to lay down the law like that, and it pisses a lot of people off, but the alternative is the 2-week, exact-opposite-of-“constructive debate” that is making this place insufferable.
WereBear
According to the two psychiatrist and their guest doctors on the Shrinking Trump (podcast & Youtube) that is EXACTLY what it is.
I see no sign of decline that would affect his Presidenting. Is this ageism? If so, everyone should be ashamed.
cain
@guachi: How much were they satisfied with the nominee during the primaries? 100%? Nobody put their hat in the ring.. not Biden’s fault.
cain
@UncleEbeneezer: You know that’s not how John works and runs his blog.
UncleEbeneezer
@Omnes Omnibus: Did Smith request Cannon be taken off the case? I’m guessing No, since I’m not seeing it in headlines/Tweets.
Bill Arnold
@oldgold:
Thank you for this. Anyone who is certain about the best course is seriously overconfident.
tam1MI
Proud resident of Michigan here. Our Dem primary has yet to take place. And, as of Adam Schiff’s announcement, I am now a single issue voter.
If any Dem on the ballot calls for Biden to step aside, they have lost my vote. Irrevocably and forever.
Hillary Scholten already did that so she is dead to me, she’s lost my vote. Elissa Slotkin is hanging by a thread.
I wish it didn’t have to come to this, but apparently withholding my vote is the only way to get the Coup D’Etat Caucus to listen.
moonbat
@Bex: It’s that old saw about how only Democrats have agency only in this case it’s been narrowed to only Democrats who support Biden have agency.
Democrats who don’t support Biden want something else.
What do you want? And how would it work in the real world?
Something other than what we have. It’s up the the Democrats who support Biden to stab their candidate in the back and make this whatever it is Plan B happen.
It’s exhausting.
Omnes Omnibus
@UncleEbeneezer: A notice of appeal is not the place for that.
Capri
The thing that explains the Dem’s behavior (other than them losing their collective minds) is that the insiders know he has a health issue that hasn’t been disclosed to the public. Said health issue has a high likelyhood of meaning he has to withdraw prior to November. Better to do it now before the convention than mid-October.
Eyeroller
@Capri: I think “losing their collective minds” and/or “losing big donors” is a much better explanation.
There’s no evidence of a health issue (other than normal aging). He’s posted his medical exam results.
Edit: This is probably the worst I’ve ever seen, with the possible exception of 9/11 as mentioned earlier, but losing their minds and/or backbone is hardly anything new for Democrats.
Chris
@cain:
And nobody would have a problem with this, if the last three weeks hadn’t proven that the people saying it will not accept anything but “he isn’t up to it” as an answer.
I mean, we were told right after the debate that he had to go out and make a bunch of public appearances in which he sounded fine. So he did that, starting the very next day. “Oh but that doesn’t count because most of these events are with teleprompters.” Okay. Here he is conducting interviews with two state media outlets. “Oh but that doesn’t count because they can only ask prescripted questions.” Okay. Here he is doing a totally unscripted interview with a hostile reporter asking him for thirty minutes why he’s old and won’t drop out. “Oh but he has to prove that he can do it in a more hostile setting.” Okay. Here he is doing Q&A with the press for an hour. “Oh but he also has to prove that he’s up to the actual business of governance.” Okay. Here he is hosting a NATO summit and then going out and taking questions from reporters. “Oh but…”
At this point, anyone who’s ever argued with a Republican recognizes the game. The question is only allowed to have one answer, and if reality refuses to return that answer, then by God we’re going to continue asking the question until we get the answer we want, and if we never do, we’re just going to continue spinning our wheels anyway.
tam1MI
@Capri: Well, then, they’d best reveal what that issue is and back up that assertion with ironclad proof.
Because I for one will not take their word for it. They have completely lost my trust.
tam1MI
What is it about “No” that they don’t understand?
Eyeroller
@tam1MI: They keep citing those polls that voters want Biden to drop out, but does it ever occur to these turncoats that the backstabbing is what is making voters hesitant? I.e. they have cause and effect backwards?
Princess
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks. Let’s hope!
Chris
@Capri:
There is absolutely no way Biden could have a known substantive medical issue without that having been leaked in the last three weeks. None.
Martin
@TooManyJens: This is my view here. The freakout over Biden’s debate performance was really about a much broader set of missteps by Democrats regarding policy and messaging that raise the stakes of this election. Democrats do this all the time – they are afraid of their own ideas, buy into GOP attacks on partisanship, and then when something goes a little bit wrong they dump all of those accumulated concerns into that one event, rather than put that responsibility back on the previous mistakes made. It’s not our fault we failed to hold people accountable for 3 years, it’s Biden’s fault for having a bad debate.
One of the things that I dislike about the Dems that have been around for decades is that they are VERY invested in this status quo, which was very apparent when Dobbs landed and suddenly everyone decided it was okay to talk about abortion after years and years of avoiding the topic, pretending all that time it didn’t need defending. It is this recurring pattern of policy and messaging failures that then get institutionalized for ages by the old guard. Biden has contributed his fair share to that problem.
My argument was that in 2022 when Dobbs handed Democrats an almost guaranteed winning policy with half the nations voters, they didn’t go all-in. They argued it was bad policy, but they never argued that the only reason this continues is because women are expected to trust well-intentioned white men to look out for their interests. Democrats could have grabbed the brass ring, put Kamala as the candidate 2 years ago and allow primaries to happen and make the argument that women’s health will get solved if we do the simple act of electing women, and leaning into women taking the lead here. That would have been a bold act, it would have been seen as what the Democrats sold it to be. But you can’t do that today, because now the only way to interpret a move of Harris to the top of the ticket is a fallback because Joe is too old. You can’t make the 2022 argument in 2024. The opportunity was lost.
Democrats acted like the courts would solve all of their electoral problems with Trump, and didn’t make any real effort to deal with him any other way. Where was Congress in all of this? Where has Congress been with USSC abuses? The GOP was always going to call them far left witch hunt whatever, at least fucking earn the label. Why have states been so slow to address the fake electors? Surely some of these blue states could have acted with more urgency. These are not failures of one debate, they are accrued mistakes that we don’t want to acknowledge, in part because Democratic voters are themselves too afraid to fight. Say what you will about Trump, he is willing to throw the rulebook out the window. A LOT of voters like him for just that reason. They want results, and following the usual rules of decorum and pretty-pleasing on the floor of Senate doesn’t get greedflation under control, it doesn’t stop 10% annual rent increases, and so on. It sure doesn’t stop USSC justices from getting bribed.
prostratedragon
A little about the man who was killed yesterday down the street from the convention. There is little or nothing about the story that will surprise.
TBone
@SiubhanDuinne: she did at the (near) top. I (and everyone else I sent it to or showed it to) think it’s hilarious but it got very mixed reviews here. Different strokes!
tam1MI
@Martin: ” You know, Burke, I don’t know which species is worse. You don’t see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage.”
Mousebumples
@Hungry Joe: thank you for postcarding!
@eemom: nice to see you around again!
TBone
@BR: A commenter here posted it earlier as a Sherrilyn Ifill xit or quote, I believe.
tam1MI
Which is why I am all for an early nomination vote. Force the assholes to come out in the open and own their treachery.
Odie Hugh Manatee
Just a quick drive by to say “Fuck you, Adam Schiff.” Just another Tonya Harding Democrat out kneecapping Joe. I’m not going to blame Joe if we lose, I’m placing the blame squarely on big media and the Tonya Harding wing of the Democratic party giving them an assist. Fuck them all.
Nobody on the right is calling for their rapey criminal to stand down because they know how to win, no matter what. The Left?
hahahahahahahahahahaha…..
Manyakitty
@zhena gogolia: he’s a disgrace.
Manyakitty
@WaterGirl: same. Just enraging. Hope he at least got dinner for his soul.
Manyakitty
@Chris Johnson: I like your style.
Bill Arnold
@japa21:
This, plus the acknowledgement that no plan survives long after contact with the enemy.
Manyakitty
@Soprano2: hoping your cat is waiting for you when you get home.
tam1MI
@WaterGirl:He rose to the moment with the impeachment, and now he’s – I don’t know what the hell he thinks he’s doing.
He’s trying to smother this:
Manyakitty
@WaterGirl: my hands are still shaking and it’s been HOURS.
UncleEbeneezer
@Omnes Omnibus: Ah okay, thx. That wasn’t really made clear in the various podcasts I listened to about the potential responses by DOJ to the dismissal.
Chris Johnson
@Capri: No, it’s that it’s been unnamed and anonymous ‘sources’ this whole time until somebody could be found to come forward and pretend to be the person behind this mysterious invisible tide of heavily reported sentiment. Somebody apparently in need of money? What is this worth, at this moment?
News reports right now DO NOT HAVE TO BE PLAUSIBLE.
You’re behaving like they’re still normal. There was a time when these news people were allowed to act like humans, but now they’re required to behave like fucking Donald Trump, JD Vance and Project 2025 are NORMAL.
You cannot believe a goddamn thing about any of it except what people literally say and even THEN you had better check to see if the sentence was deceptively edited. I remember that guy who was edited to just before the point where he said ‘but I don’t think he should drop out and he has my full support’. You CANNOT act like these times are normal.
Eyeroller
@Bill Arnold: It’s effing Politico, but they are reporting that a “new polling memo circulating among Dem party officials argues that the best chance to defeat Trump is with a new nominee independent of the incumbent administration. In other words, not Kamala Harris.”
I know they trade in rumors but I’ll bet I know what they are talking about. It’s the ratfuckers at Pass the Torch. They “polled” Mark Kelly, Wes Moore, Josh Shapiro, and Gretchen Whitmer and are claiming that any of them would do 5 points better than Biden or Harris.
Yet Biden remains tied despite all the attacks from his own goddamned party. Why are the “Dem officials” listening to these ratfuckers?
cain
@Chris:
I get you. But Dems are all about falling in love. They need to see a lot more love. But also the media and now House dems are creating more and more roadblocks. The House dems are allowing leaks either on purpose or accidently. Usually, this party is pretty good about not leaking things – so I can only guess that they are communicating to Biden in another way. But it’s a dangerous path because you are riling up the base – maybe they will take it for granted we will pick however, but we also are not going to forget. So, anybody identified can easily be primaried. I hope they get that.
Manyakitty
@Omnes Omnibus: Biden was just above Bernie and Williamson on my list. When Rep. Clyburn got behind Biden, that was all I needed to see and he’s been so much better than I ever imagined, and under unimaginable pressure.
Ridin’ with Biden until the bitter end.
cain
@Martin:
I suspect that we have a lot more centrists than we think. The status quo is still whatever the GOP has done to move the overton window rightward since the 80s.
Boomers and GenXers are still fairly centrist or slightly left of center. Gen Y, Gen Z, and Gen Alpha tend to be more left mostly because they have never been exposed to the kind of prosperity that Boomers have had in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.
AWOL
@Capri: If you’re an insider, as only an insider would actually know what the insiders know, what are you doing on this blog? Don’t you have work to do?
Chris Johnson
@tam1MI: You have no idea how much money such an action would be worth to a man like Peter Thiel right about now. Let’s not sit around assuming it’s DEMOCRAT oligarchs motivating this behavior.
Not everybody has a price, but in the entire Dem congress it would be pretty astonishing if nobody could be bought at any price. Schiff’s supposed to be overextended financially, out over his skis. I’m sure he could make hundreds of millions for just openly ‘asking questions’ at the right time, without even having to do more.
Because he IS relaunching the failed narrative at just the moment when the RNC is really coming apart at the seams and people are starting to cause problems around the attempted-assassination narrative (see: Michael Steele, former RNC chair). It is worth any sum to distract from the RNC problems and the increasing calls for looking into that stupid ear of Trump’s. And so, here he comes, and here come our trolls again, and it’s hi-ho narrative.
Even so it would be only a delaying action. But Thiel can throw millions around like play money, even if Putin can’t anymore.
Fuckers.
Jackie
@WaterGirl: I agree; not funny.
Repatriated
It’s kind of like the war plans from WW I. Once set in motion, stopping them opens up great vulnerabilities for the players — assets piled up at the wrong places, divisive statements that are damaging to walk back in the event of failure.
This was and is the timeframe in which candidate replacement is theoretically possible (though neither practical nor adviseable). The off-night debate performance was the opening, some folks took it, and can’t back out without being seen as having lost influence.
Soprano2
So, what a day I’m having. First this shit, then I come home and my cat isn’t here and isn’t coming when I call him and isn’t in any of his hiding places. Also, my IPod shot craps and died, so I need to replace it (yes you can still get IPods and I don’t want to use my phone to listen to podcasts). What a fucking horrible day this is for me.
moonbat
@tam1MI: Praise Jeebus!
Please, everyone who lives and dies by the polls, take a look at this!!!
Geminid
@cain: The waverers could be primaried over this controversy, but I think it won’t matter much if Joe Biden wins no matter how mad people are right now.
If Biden loses the recriminations will be bitter, but we will have much more critical to contend with before 2026 rolls around. I still think Biden will win.
Elizabelle
@Soprano2: Hugs.
Elizabelle
@Geminid: Ridin’ with Biden. I think he can win, too. And I think that’s why they’re trying so hard to knock him out before the convention.
Cacti
@guachi: I said in 2020 that Biden was our best chance to beat Trump, and said so when he most definitely was not the popular choice in these parts.
Anyone who thinks that my concerns about him in 2024 are made in bad faith can take a whole row of seats.
cain
@Chris Johnson:
Even if that’s true that he’s out of cash – I can’t seem him going out there formally doing anything without talking with Nancy and other CA pols.
Not sure where Nancy is here on all this – she’s a very numbers kind of person and not invested emotionally eg ‘Just win baby!’. So, who knows what she is seeing.
Manyakitty
@Soprano2: I’m so sorry. Sending hugs from Ohio.
cain
@Soprano2: Ugh, I’m so sorry – is it a safe neighborhood? I like to get them out of hiding by opening up a can of cat food and let the smell drag them over.
Geminid
@Soprano2: I am sorry you are having such a rough time. I hope your kitty shows up soon.
Captain C
@M31:
Don’t collect JD’s. Based on what he said about divorce, I don’t think he changes his very much.
Eyeroller
@moonbat: The 538 model includes not just polls but “fundamentals.” However, I have just learned of something called the McNamara Fallacy, which involves making decisions based on quantitative information (in McNamara’s case, daily “body counts”) and ignoring other information. I think we can see how it applies to our situation here.
“But when the McNamara discipline is applied too literally, the first step is to measure whatever can be easily measured. The second step is to disregard that which can’t easily be measured or given a quantitative value. The third step is to presume that what can’t be measured easily really isn’t important. The fourth step is to say that what can’t be easily measured really doesn’t exist. This is suicide.” -Daniel Yankelovich
Captain C
@tam1MI: Too many crypto cowboys among his donors?
Eyeroller
@cain: I got dogpiled on a thread yesterday due to suspicions about Nancy but Robert Costa tweeted “Schiff piece was news to her, he did not consult her before.”
Also Ezra Klein, the blind pig who found a nut, said “If top Dems wanted to shut down the replace-Biden movement quickly, they could. They don’t.”
Edit to add: Nancy Pelosi is no longer Speaker nor Minority Leader. Hakim Jeffries is the person who should have the control here.
sab
@Soprano2: Yikes and hugs from NE Ohio. Hopes for your cat.
moonbat
@Eyeroller: I hadn’t heard about that particularly fallacy before. Thanks!
What I do, especially when it comes to 538 anymore is assume that they are under-reporting Dem advantages because Silver has been doing that forever. So if their aggregate has Biden up that probably means he’s WAY up.
Eyeroller
@moonbat: I don’t think Nate Silver is associated with them anymore. Nate has been one of the loudest media dump-Biden voices.
Also Biden is rapidly gaining ground in swing states. I do not understand where this panic is coming from.
moonbat
@Repatriated: Too late. They’ve already lost influence with me. I’m making a list. lol
Bill Arnold
@Eyeroller:
Fundamentals with predictive value are useful.
ETA I expect (without poking) that their model weights various metrics using their predictive value to make a composite model with hopefully better predictive value than any component.
moonbat
@Eyeroller: Me either. But I am glad Harrison is getting the roll call out of the way now. Another month of this constant drum beat we’d all be sunk.
To your earlier point I think this whole kerfuffle is making Jeffries look weak. In the absence of a workable plan, which there isn’t, what’s he thinking? Nancy Smash would have her caucus firmly under her knuckles right now and there wouldn’t be a peep out of them.
LanceThruster
“I was that little boy” tees also available in the RNC lobby.
It is being reported that Hillary has taken some credit for his survival, according to her having once offered these two words of sniper advice (or one word repeated if you insist): “Serpentine! Serpentine!!”
Eyeroller
@moonbat: There are a lot of rumors and some are almost certainly unreliable, but assuming the tweet from Robert Costa is accurate, Nancy is undermining Jeffries. She should not have any say over whether or when Adam Schiff goes public with his “concerns.” She no longer has a formal leadership role.
Repatriated
I’m not sure it’s a lack of desire to stop it, but a lack of ability. If it’s big donors behind it, shutting them down outright may alienate them — what’s a donation for, if not to ensure you’re taken seriously?
Letting it burn out due to the inherent lack of an actual path forward for it (and, of course, the President continuing to demonstrate that he’s more than up to it) allows those donors to accept falling back into line as their own idea rather than admitting the party rejected their demands.
LanceThruster
@Eyeroller: – the miracle workers brought in to initiate a new evaluation program for our customer service department (IT Help Desk) actually said in the training, “If it can’t be measured, it doesn’t apply.”
They could measure the more nebulous aspects of a call center in the customer satisfaction surveys afterwords so ubiquitous these days when speaking with phone reps, but a shorter call to assist is still weighted as preferable to a longer one despite whatever customer needs required more time spent, because it increased the average call time that management bean counters felt reflected poorly on them.
moonbat
@Eyeroller: I take it all with a big bag of salt mainly because the press organizations who have been pushing this narrative are desperate for a big D name to hang all this on and she’s one of the biggest out there, even if she is emeritus.
What really enrages me are the insinuations that Obama is under-bussing Joe behind the scenes. Even if you ignore that on a personal level that would NEVER happen, Obama is a pragmatist not some underpants gnome magical thinker. He knows on a gut level that there’s no replacing a presidential candidate at this stage of the game and winning. There just isn’t.
Another Scott
Good meme.
Nitter (Twitter version)
(via MuellerSheWrote)
Cheers,
Scott.
Freemark
Adam Schiv has to be doing it for promised donor money. He’s not stupid enough to believe this helps Democrats win in November. There almost no reasonable scenario where Biden stepping down INCREASES the chances to win. Kamala is the only one who would get it close to it not being a huge decrease. But If people pushing Biden out REALLY wanted Kamala Harris to be the nominee they would be ecstatic right now because if something happens to JFB she would be the President. But the putzes are showing their hand by not pushing that angle. Not to mention the 142 negative articles NYT is waiting to hit ‘send’ on the moment Joe Biden steps down. The media is salivating like an anemic vampire at a blood bank over the shit show that would erupt if Biden steps down. If that weakness is shown the media won’t stop until the Democratic carcass is ripped apart into a hundred pieces and dragged away to be relishly devoured over the next few months.
UncleEbeneezer
@Soprano2: Sorry about your cat. Hope they come home soon. I know how awful that feeling is…
moonbat
@Another Scott: Exactly!
Chris Johnson
If it was organic and actually coming from Dems, then yes, they could.
If it’s a narrative generated by captured media to kneecap the Dems by unilaterally making them disarm in response to trumped-up ‘public pressure’ and made-the-fuck-up off-the-record ‘big important Dems we promise’, then there is nothing they can do to shut down that narrative, because it’s not coming from them in the first place, it’s fabricated like Butter Emails. It’s always the same playbook out of these old imperialist cold warriors looking to conquer America and then Europe and everywhere else and reduce us all to their own state of 17th century enlightenment.
You cannot shut down a narrative like that any more than we can shut down our trolls by arguing with them and proving them wrong.
You also can’t automatically translate a narrative like that into votes just by wishing you could. There can even be a backlash to it, which I think we may be seeing the beginnings of.
sab
I frankly don’t care what Adam Schiff is up to, and I think he thinks it is all local.
LanceThruster
@Repatriated: – I think Schiff weighing in early could not be a more clear indication of getting a green light from AIPAC. That sends a message of who’s toes a member of Congress doesn’t have to worry about stepping on, whatever camp opposing factions end up in.
They have no problem with a Trump or Biden presidency, but it’s a Democratic administration fueling Bibi’s revenge rampage currently. Could it be a subtle horse’s head in the bed for those times Joe has grumbled or interrupted a shipment of 2000lbs bombs? Would the message be clear to a replacement? Are there even any waiting in the wings that wouldn’t be 100% on board anyway?
Soprano2
@moonbat: I agree with that, it seems to me that he should have been on top of it earlier. This drip drip drip crap is the worst possible situation.
Oh, and I just paid $249 for what’s supposed to be a never used IPod Nano. All the refurbished ones looked kinky to me.
sab
@UncleEbeneezer: I welcomed a neighbors’ cat into my house and she never went home. She is still here. She had a few chances, but she always “came home” here not there.
That was different facts from Soprano’s cat.
LanceThruster
@sab: I love how Schiff emphasized how Garvey wouldn’t understand the needs of Californians and how to deliver for them despite his being an excellent ball player, when Schiff’s bottom line seems concern for Israel above any other consideration. Maybe Californians could use the universal healthcare we pay for Israel to have. And as a Senator, he might want to consider the value of same to the other 49 states, territories, protectorates, or whatever the classification is making their inhabitants also Americans.
The reason why Israel isn’t the 51st state, as the joke goes, is because then they’d only control two Senators.
chemiclord
@tam1MI: Unfortunately my district is too tight for me to do that, but I have informed both that their primary challenger is getting my vote from now on.
LanceThruster
Baby goats are the bomb. TV’s Frank singing, “I love… baby ducks!” also comes to mind.
Eyeroller
@Chris Johnson: The elected Democrats could have pushed back instead of joining in with the media. Instead, assuming there wasn’t a faction that was actually helping to drive it, they capitulated completely. Even if you can’t shut down a narrative (and I agree that’s difficult to impossible), you don’t have to reinforce it. The public would likely mostly ignore media narratives, but when they see other Democrats clambering for Biden to leave because he’s too old/too senile, that has an impact.
Eyeroller
@moonbat: The insinuations about Obama probably are because it was his “guys” who were first out of the gate, basically on debate night, with the “dump Biden” narrative. Axelrod and the “Oboys” or whatever those podcasters call themselves, were advocating it by the next day and they were all over the media. Carville too, though he is a Clinton retread who hates all vaguely progressive Democrats. Then there was the Clooney op-ed. Clooney is a big Obama stan and supposedly Obama asked him pretty please don’t publish this.
All these people are individuals with agency and Obama doesn’t control them, but if he was asking them to stop it was ignored. And he has not repudiated them forcefully. That helps to feed the rumor mill.
Miss Bianca
@WaterGirl: I just went to the gym to work out because I was feeling so furious and ready to hit something.
Well, I’m still feeling furious but at least I got some exercise.
UncleEbeneezer
@Chris Johnson: One of my fave black podcasters pointed out the other day that Biden is boring to the MSM. Most of us love the fact that we can mostly ignore politics and trust Biden to do the job on the day-to-day level. But the media hates that because it needs conflict so this is a great way for them to get everyone on pins-and-needles and going through Biden’s speeches (which most of us have mostly ignored for 3+ years) with a fine tooth comb. Simple Dems-In-Disarray ratings for a dying industry.
moonbat
@Soprano2: Do they still make those?! I miss my iPod so bad!
Cacti
POTUS had to cancel his Las Vegas event due to testing positive for Covid.
FFS
geg6
@Trollhattan:
It’s pretty common for high schools to have a competitive rifle team. A guy I went to high school with has competed ever since then, winning national and international championships. It’s also not unheard of to have rifle teams in Europe, though they may compete only through gun clubs as far as I know. The people I know who compete have nothing but disdain for AR-15s and such. Accuracy is an issue. They use long guns, but not that type of long gun.
Elizabelle
@UncleEbeneezer: Jesus. They could run interesting stories about policies, and why we should care. But they are lazy money whores, aren’t they?
It’s not like they’re a trusted source with skilled writers. Like late night comics.
Hell, comics on TikTok are beating them.
Eyeroller
@Cacti: He’s been out in crowds a lot. Is that a surprise? He’s had it at least once before.
SomeRandomGuy
@wenchacha: There’s all kinds of fools and cowards who can make stupid mistakes. The media has been saying that Joe Biden is too old, because he can barely string two sentences together, because “well, *WE* didn’t say it, we just uncritically printed false witness statements – by which I mean, we knew they were false statements – that said the same thing, thus, convincing ordinary people that there was no need to call out the total, monstrous, bullshit, confabulation.”
I kid of course. They’d say “we report, you decide!” which even Fox News thought was too stupid for words.
Anyway: people who could be sensible, or courageous, are remembering all the times mean Republicans won outright, so, they’re becoming cowards and fools, because they can’t prove Joe Biden is actually *young*.
(By the way: all you saying “BUT HE IS TOO OLD!” someday, you are going to try to tell someone something important, and they’re going to ignore the oldster. And each time you try to explain, so they listen this time, if there’s any justice in the world, you’re going to remember “an 81 year old is considered a drooling, useless, husk, too used up to do anything *important.*” What proof do *you* have that you haven’t become 81 early? NONE!!)
Miss Bianca
@Freemark: What I don’t understand is, why Schiff would be worried about money, anyway. He’s out-earned and out-spent his Republican opponent and even if he did *nothing* for the next four months, he’s going to be elected.
If he’s doing this from conviction, I think he’s misguided. If he’s doing it out of a craven desire to keep the big money flowing his way, he’s both misguided *and* contemptible.
Miss Bianca
@Cacti: Oh, FFS. How dare he go and get COVID. You know, as one might when they’re going out on the campaign trail.
Go choke on a bag of salted dicks.
TooManyJens
@Elizabelle: I always say the problem with our media is less ideological bias than it is a bias toward being lazy, shallow, stupid, and above all profit-oriented.
@Miss Bianca: In fairness, I think “FFS” is a perfectly reasonable reaction to that news. Like we needed one more fucking thing to happen.
Soprano2
Joe Biden fucking has Covid, can this day get worse?
Soprano2
@moonbat: No, most of the ones you find on EBay and Amazon are “refurbished “. I happened to find a seller with some they claim are new in an unopened package. I don’t know when Apple quit making them, maybe 10 years ago.
Eyeroller
@TooManyJens: Needless to say, getting Covid is causing some media types to bring up “clouds and shadows” about Biden’s physical health. Like anybody of any age couldn’t get Covid. Plenty of much younger people have had it, and he’s been in a lot of crowds lately.
It is madness.
SomeRandomGuy
@Eyeroller: It’s the Sister Soulja moment, or whatever, where if a Democrat slimes a left-ish person, the media creams its collective southern regions because it would show maturity, and a willingness to step out of lockstep orthodoxy, for a reporter to pants a politician like that.
Eyeroller
@Soprano2: If we were sane, getting Covid wouldn’t be a big deal because a lot of people of all ages get it. I have had it. Many commenters here have had it. He’s been in crowds a lot recently.
Omnes Omnibus
@LanceThruster: Dancing pretty close to antisemitism there, aren’t you?
SomeRandomGuy
@LanceThruster: This is the problem with “metrics”. If you have a metric, on which you are judged, both you and your immediate manager are going to watch it. But direct effects of metrics are usually bad. A CompuServe agent was famous, in his day, for emailing a hundred different customers with first response, “what kind of keyboard are you using?” – a question that was, of course, irrelevant to the vast majority of them.
But wow, 100 first responses, in a single day! Sure, *some* of them weren’t very good, but, 100! What a goal to chase! This is how Trump’s aides convinced him he was doing fine – there was always some good metric to show him. “Sure, we had MORE PEOPLE DIE from Covid-19, but WE HAD TENS of TIMES MORE INFECTIONS! The PERCENTAGE of people who dies is LOW!”
Eyeroller
@Soprano2: Yes, now I see an ALL CAPS tweet from Some Guy that Shumer has told Biden that it would be “better for the country” if he were to end his re-election bid.
That is much worse than Biden getting Covid.
What mad cow disease has take over elected Democrats? BIden’s polls are quite normal for this time of year, and have been improving steadily.
Did the “poll” by Pass the Torch influence them that much? Are they that politically stupid? We should run Mark Kelly? That’s their big idea? Get rid of Kamala too?
I don’t know what’s going on here.
WaterGirl
@Manyakitty: I was so angry I was scaring myself.
WaterGirl
@Miss Bianca:
Well, there’s that!
Ksmiami
@Cacti: lots of ppl get it now and often mild
Manyakitty
@Soprano2: today is so much longer than Monday, and Monday lasted for a year 😭
Manyakitty
@WaterGirl: same. I had to force myself to breathe. WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Barry
I’ve heard people speculate that Schiff is personally deeply worried. He’s high on any proscription list (along with Liz Cheney). Trump II is likely to see a lot of people in personal danger.
Subsole
@Yutsano: No dice. He would get absolutely tuned up in the Midwest.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
Surely if we appease
Hitlerthe media by giving themCzechoslovakiaBiden’s scalp, they’ll be sated and we’ll be safe…The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Yutsano: No one but Harris or Biden is even acceptable. No process but one led by the voters is acceptable. No such process has occurred to put Newsome on top of the ticket.
That’s all before I get to my personal feelings about the man…
That’s how the media loves to portray it when people follow them like sheep, especially powerful people.
The Kropenhagen Interpretation
@Omnes Omnibus: Money is ruining our politics. This push to eliminate Biden is being driven by the money. PACs throw around money to abuse the Democratic process. AIPAC is worse then most.
If it’s ok to critique Israel and Likud, it’s certainly ok to criticize AIPAC.
Subsole
@Bupalos:
I had a meta thought about this as well.
Let’s say these folks did get their wish. Joe goes in the wood chipper and takes Kamala with him.
Let’s say all these kingmakers actually do what they have so far been incapable of doing and coalesce around a publicly-named replacement.
Their hand-selected champion goes out into the world and their numbers tank. (People loved Hillary, until she ran. There is precedent.)
What then? Do they just reshuffle the deck again? Do we go through this every time George Clooney writes an op-ed? Having thrown one ticket aside, why not two? Or three? Or five?
Where does that end?
For what it’s worth, I don’t think they’re ratfuckers. If they were, they’d be doing this 60 days before deadline, instead of 100. I think they got stampeded by a bunch of Twitter buzz – or their donors got stampeded. But that’s just gut-level hunch.
Also, how are internal polls immune to whatever the hell has broken regular polling? Not arguing to throw them out, I am genuinely wondering what makes them more reliable.
Subsole
@Soprano2:
Sorry to hear it. Hope the critter comes home safe!
Soprano2
@Eyeroller: I just couldn’t believe that happened today along with everything else.
Subsole
@Jay:
Which version are you reading?
I’m pretty sure it’s in the King James Version…
Subsole
@tam1MI:
“Awright. We waste him.
No offense.”
SoupCatcher
I realize this thread is long dead, but this was new to me and gave me a lift. I was on the DNC site trying to find information about the scheduled July 15 and July 17 committee votes and the originally scheduled for July 23 committee vote (the three committee votes necessary to approve virtually nominating Biden and Harris in advance of the convention). I didn’t find that yet, but I found the events calendar.
events.democrats.org/
edited to update the information as I don’t think my original instructions worked
ascap_scab
@patrick II: The new Veep should be Pete Buttigieg.
He ran for President, so he’s been vetted. He has been a very capable cabinet secretary. He is the only person that is willing to go on FAUX Snooze and get Biden’s message on their air.
Not only is he young and energetic, he would drive the whack brigade nuts. If they try to assassinate the black centrist woman, they get the gay guy!
We can’t afford to lose a single House or Senate member to move them up, so it makes sense to elevate a cabinet member and show unity.