Let the healing begin:
[Sorry, this is the best version I can find. Exes and Ohs, ABL]
by Imani Gandy (ABL)| 68 Comments
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Let the healing begin:
[Sorry, this is the best version I can find. Exes and Ohs, ABL]
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shortstop
I forgot how funny Eddie’s Stevie was.
freelancer
So you and Jane are besties now?
Angry Black Lady
@freelancer: yeah, i’m going to braid her hair later.
Pooh
@Angry Black Lady: See that’s offensive, because, cancer that’s why.
Angry Black Lady
@Pooh: ha! ok, no hair braiding. pillow fight?
Kryptik
@Pooh:
What about those of us that suffer from male pattern baldness? Or split ends? Or….um…um….short hair? I’m reaching here, tell me what I need to be outraged about here?
In all seriousness, here’s something I can be irritated about: Greg Sargent and his take on the stupidly ironic way that Republican hyperpartisanship has managed to paint Obama as a partisan ideologue in public opinion.
Mike Kay
FDL is still a smear merchant and fuck up.
Last August economist Christine Romer left the administration. No big deal, people come and go.
But Hamsher immediately ran to MSNBC and claimed Romer left because Obama is a sexist. Never mind that Hamsher offered no evidence supporting of her charge, never mind that if Obama was a sexist he wouldn’t have appointed Romer in the first place, as well as two women to the supreme court, and Hillary as secretary of state.
Hamsher has never let facts and logic get in the way of a smear.
Hamsher went so far to say Obama should be listening to people like Romer because she’s always right but big sexist Obama won’t because he hates women.
So guess what happened this weekend. Hamsher’s economic hero Christina Romer published a full-throated op-ed in The New York Times begging Obama to adopt the “catfood commission” – lock, stock, and barrel.
Romer went so far as to call for dramatically jacking up taxes on the middle class, slashing social security and medicare, but…. but… but she pleaded for leniency on the rich.
hahahahahhahahahahhahahahah
is there anything hamsher can’t fuck up.
shortstop
@Angry Black Lady:
Mastectomy bra jokes now? Oh, honey. Brace yourself.
Pooh
@Kryptik: just being outraged by all the outrage is never a bad default position. It’s like getting into a defensive stance in basketball in that it allows you to move quickly in whichever direction is needed.
JPL
The clip was hilarious!
Allan
@Mike Kay: What’s so funny and ironic about “Catfood Commission” is that, in their effort to smear anything that came out from the commission, they’ve managed to mislead their followers about the major and fundamental differences between the early “minority report” from the co-chairs, which represented the bullshit they couldn’t sell the panel on, with the more nuanced and worthwhile start that the actual commission report turned out to be.
Watch and you will see the FPers at FDL and Kos, like the one who poked his head into the earlier thread to let us know that he wasn’t interested in our silly little conversation, willfully misrepresent the actual report in order to keep the froth at a nice head.
Allan
@shortstop: As someone who struggled, and failed, to find a way of going there without going there, well played.
Angry Black Lady
@Mike Kay: this gave me a much-needed laugh. thank you!
Pooh
This thread just proves that Balloon Juicers do it too. Also. Too.
Angry Black Lady
@shortstop: brilliant.
DennisCA
Just what this site needs, another Hamsher hate-fest thread.
Angry Black Lady
@Allan: i never understood the freak out about the catfood commission. i mean, sure, it could be obama signaling that he wants to gut social security. or it could be obama letting People Have Their Say and then telling those people to kiss off.
what do i know?
i need a drink. i know that.
morzer
@Angry Black Lady:
A drink of blood? I hope so, ‘cos otherwise I’ll have to find an original libel.
lamh32
ABL,
From one sista to another, I co-sign your post 100%. You are a much betta person than I am. I’ve learn that certain people who say they want to have a discussion about race don’t REALLY want to have that conversation. What they want is a superficial conversation, maybe like discussing a funny clip from Chappelle, or after seeing an episode of Oprah, but never a full substantive conversation.
A real conversation involved hurt feeling, feeling of confrontation and feeling of defensiveness. In much the same way, I try to steer the conversation away from Obama when I talk to my more conservative friends and co-workers, I will steer the conversation away from race, because sometimes it just so exhaustive.
So I commend you on your posts.
BTW, ya shoulda posted a video of “The Fresh Prince” where Carlton sings his “interracial” love songs medley: Carlton sings Ebony and Ivory, Jungle fever.
Comrade Mary
Oh, thank God that’s the SNL version. I was going to burst into flames if it was the original.
OT: When did Josh Marshall become so needy?
Andre
I’m getting “interracial romance” banner ads now.
Giggity.
J.W. Hamner
So I had a ton of work to do today… anything exciting happen while I was off the grid? No? Cool.
Allan
@Angry Black Lady: It’s the “Obama is a puppet of the Jews in general, or Axelrod and RAHM! in particular, or Wall Street, or [insert enemy here]” attitude combined with the helpful leftwing urge to pre-attack our leadership in case they’re thinking of doing something we don’t like.
Karen S.
@lamh32:
Just another sista seconding this. I know exactly what you mean.
MobiusKlein
So I can’t swear up a storm safely in the comments anymore?
No more transgressive language, offending folks on purpose?
Drat. Us honkeys, crackers, and peckerwoods will be bored now.
Omnes Omnibus
@Andre: I have something about business forms. You must live a more interesting online life than I do.
pragmatism
did we forget invite jane to the book club? she holds grudges.
morzer
@Omnes Omnibus:
I have a personalized diabetes assessment offer.. what that says about my online habits, heaven only knows.
Mike Kay
@Allan:
can you point me to the thread, I need a good chuckle.
Allan
Del Taco here.
Which is scary because it is the closest geolocated fast-food joint with a drive-thru, and the one I actually frequent.
I think I’ll have a taco.
Google is evil.
General Stuck
The wound never heals. You can clean and bandage it, and over time it is maybe a little less than it was. Unless you ignore it, then it spreads.
WereBear
@Mike Kay: If there’s any charge I can’t support; it’s President Obama being a sexist.
In fact, one of the things that warms my heart about is the obvious respect and regard he has for his dynamite First Lady and his lovely daughters.
For instance, on Day of the Woman, I’ll never forget how Michelle Obama, at the podium, said jokingly, “This is our day. You should worship me.”
And he said, quite seriously, “I can do that.”
I believe he can.
Allan
@Mike Kay: Here it begins.
And because failing to provide links or making any insignificant error of fact totally invalidates anything I may write, I should correct myself to note that the individual is not, to my knowledge, a FPer, but his work rides the Rec List with great frequency.
morzer
@WereBear:
Yes, we can!
DougJ DougJson
This Ken Burns documentary brings people together too.
Mike Kay
@Allan: oh, that guy. he’s an edwards groupie. I really got a kick outta of Edwards’ apologists during the primaries, especially when they would insist only edwards was electable (no racism, there).
Omnes Omnibus
@Allan: There is a taco place here in Madison, Wisconsin called the Taco Shop that lists its locations on the front window as Madison, Amsterdam, Copenhagen. I have yet to try it.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
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Notice of FDL Incivility
Angry Black Cow has just put up a post at FDL righteously bleating about the term “veal pen”! When will all these hurtful terms for concepts end, once and for all?
I call upon all balloonbaggers to go over there and show your solidarity by indignantly caterwauling about it all night long. NOW! (Or once the vapors have passed.)
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Warren Terra
Since this is an open thread, two things:
First, about the site, there seems to be a quite annoying bug, in that balloon-juice.com links to a time-delayed, infrequently updated version of http://www.balloon-juice.com. This was not the case before the recent upgrade, or if it was the case then the delay was not nearly so profound. It’s not uncommon for balloon-juice.com to be missing the most recent post or two, and its comment counts are always off.
Second, in news of more general interest, I don’t see how this can possibly go wrong:
I especially like the parts where Erik Prince has recently moved to the UAE and the UAE is allegedly paying for the mercenaries.
PS
Reposted from the very end of the last related thread, this definition of Protected speech from the Legal Dictionary: The right, guaranteed by the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, to express beliefs and ideas without unwarranted government restriction.
Offensive speech is not the same thing as protected speech, and vice versa. To take one recent example of misunderstanding this, Sarah Palin’s First Amendment rights do protect her from being silenced by the government, but do not require others to broadcast or even tolerate her statements. Same goes for everyone else.
WereBear
@Allan: And the sick part about that? You don’t want to be eating cat food lately, either.
I mentioned to a friend today that I never saw so many human food recalls as I did during the Bush administration. That’s the kind of thing that takes a while to correct; like turning a battleship.
Three-nineteen
Can we find an argument where somebody can respond by putting up Piscopo’s Sinatra singing Jingle Bells? I can’t find a clip anywhere and it’s one of my favorites:
Driving down 5th Ave, in a white stretch limosine
Jog on over to Park, meet me at Maxine’s
Come on set ’em up Joe, martinis start to flow…
Pooh
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
Notice of Pooh’s Personal Impending Incivility:
UCT, you really are a fucking moron of near galactic proportions.
Uncle Clarence Thomas
@Pooh:
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Per normal, a balloonbagger insult attempt with no supporting argument, facts or logic presented.
Sadly, I am forced to conclude that you are speaking with your tongue planted firmly in my cheek.
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Warren Terra
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
Um, I can’t help wondering whether that Pseudonym “Angry Black Cow” was created as a misogynistic insult to our own Angry Black Lady. Wondering a little bit; not enough to try to find out.
But, without having followed your link (maybe the post is much better than your link to it would seem to indicate!), my kneejerk response to this apparent lame-ass parody of ABL’s posts is that when you create an equivalence between language hurtful to Black People and language hurtful to cattle, you’re not helping your efforts to evade the label of “racist”.
jinxtigr
Eddie Murphy is a BADASS singer. Dude can do a Michael Jackson, complete with bursting into tears :D
Uncle Clarence Thomas
@Warren Terra:
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I’ll clue you in anyway, my incurious and lazy balloonbagger friend. “Veal Pen” is a famous term coined by Jane Hamsher of FDL. It serves to illustrate a concept, much as the term “House Negro” coined by Malcolm X serves to illustrate a concept. Veal is made of cows, much as soylent green is made of people. What other word besides “cow” would you deem more suitable to parallelize their juxtaposition?
But no one is labelling me as a racist, poopsie, except insofar as any critic of President Obama is automatically labelled as a racist by the balloonbagger true believer corps. And no sane and honest individual could or would label me as a racist.
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DougJ DougJson
@Three-nineteen:
I also like Silent Night.
Round that virgin chick, she had a kid
He grew up to be famous, you all know what he did.
ed
Pooh
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
racist!
Mnemosyne
@Warren Terra:
Protip, Warren: a guy who uses a variation on “Uncle Tom” as his nym is pretty much a flat-out racist, so trying to convince him that other people are racist is a lost cause.
Which is why he was introduced to my pie filter.
Pooh
@Mnemosyne:
I was about to make that point, UCT self-lables as racist more effectively any of us could. In the words of Ice-T, you played yourself.
Ija
Since there is no open thread today, can we make this the fun open thread? Everybody can make up again and be nice to each other. Pretty please?
I’ll start with something noncontroversial. My girlfriends and I have this game we play called “what is your fantasy romcom”. Basically, if you could write a romantic comedy and cast it, what would the story be and who would you cast.
My fantasy romcom is set in London, directed by Richard Curtis, starring Idris Elba and Christian Bale. Elba is an upper class, public-school-and-Oxbridge-educated barrister. Bale is a working class guy who works in construction. They meet when Bale and his crew are hired to remodel Elba’s apartment (err, I mean flat). They fall in love, hilarity ensues. Because this is a British movie, the bad guy is a sneering Frenchman played by Vincent Cassell – Elba’s ex who is trying to seduce him again. The movie will be cliche-ridden (he’s black but from the upper class, the other he is white but from the working class, let’s see how class and race intersect) and will have plot holes you could drive a bus through, which is par for the course for a romcom. The good thing is, it will feature many many scenes of shirtless! Idris Elba and shirtless! Christian Bale.
So, what is your fantasy romcom and who would you cast in it?
morzer
@Ija:
Don’t take this personally, but I feel a sudden need to vomit at the images you present.
Ija
@morzer:
Hah! Is it the cliche-ridden story? But that’s the only way it can sell in Hollywood. If you add any depth, it’s a goner. Or is it the pairing? I’m trying to think of an actor who can play British working class convincingly, and couldn’t come up with a lot of names.
Brokeback Mountain and The Kids are Alright are good and important movies, but I really don’t think acceptance of gay relationship will be truly mainstream until it is depicted in the horrible, horrible genre of romcom. Excellence is good and all that, but you haven’t truly arrived until you are allowed to be as mediocre as everybody else.
Edit: It’s the shirtless! Elba and Bale, isn’t it? I knew I shouldn’t have added that part.
Pooh
Ija,
maybe (almost certainly) it marks me as being overly heteronormative, but not Stringer Bell. Honestly, it’s almost a better pitch if the Bale character is replaced by some pixie-ish white girl who is somehow convincingly playing a foul-mouthed construction worker. Class, race AND gender! Make her Muslim and him Jewish to add it that little something extra!
GOLD, Jerry, GOLD!
edit: but leave the Cassell character the same, that way Idris is bi, and you can explore the sexuality thing as well. QUINELLA!
Pooh
Or wait, one of them is a Vampire!
Ija
@Pooh:
No no no. The Twilight Saga is an abomination that must never be referred to.
lamh32
@Ija:
you had me at Idris Elba…gay love story or not.
BTW, I think you are right about romcom schlock being the last great indicator of acceptance.
But it does take awhile before they get any depth. For example, there have been a good number of interracial films about love, involving Black/White interracial couples, but mostly in the vein of BM/WF Jungle Fever type dramas, and rarely as the better selling romcom. it’s hard to keep the whimsy and still keep the “reality” of how hard some of the relationships can be. But it can be done, one of the more recent movies I’ve seen that involves an interracial BW/WM couple was “Something New”. It was literally something new to me. it was both a romcom, but dealt seriously (but briefly) with the more difficult aspects of the relationship.
Ija
@lamh32:
Exactly. You don’t want it to be a fairy tale, but on the other hand, if it is a romcom, it can’t be too much of a downer either. I think the first blockbuster, mainstream gay romcom would have to sacrifice reality to whimsy a little bit just to gain initial acceptance. The characters can’t be too conflicted and the fact that they are gay must be shown to be truly incidental. All that matters is they are in LOVE, which is the holy grail in romcom. Once there is initial success and you have one foot in the door, depth can come into the picture.
lamh32
@Ija:
Dont’ know if you’re still here, but one of my fav gay romance movies is called “Latter Days”. It’s not a romcom by any means, but it is a real good movie that I love. it literally to me at least one of the best “romantic movies” I’ve seen…period. Forget the fact that it involves 2 guys. I’ve shown the movie to str8 cousins and sisters, and they ALL loved it.
if it’s a good storyline, the fact that they are gay should/will fall to the waste side, and the depth and gracefulness of the movie will shine through.
Ija
@lamh32:
Is this the movie? (Spoiler alert at link for other people).
The plot description sounds like a fantastic movie. But alas, I have now thoroughly spoiled myself. Wikipedia should have spoiler alert.
MobiusKlein
@Warren Terra: Regarding the caching – Everybody here working on web development on PCs must install fiddler.
End of story.
For the caching, we see the http headers on balloon-juice.com, we see some hinkey caching going on – see headers
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
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Server: Apache
Last-Modified: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:15:29 GMT
ETag: “98e80e9-19435-a9867640”
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 103477
Cache-Control: max-age=300, must-revalidate
Expires: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 04:04:13 GMT
Vary: Accept-Encoding,Cookie
Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
as compared to this for
HTTP/1.0 200 OK
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:59:48 GMT
Server: Apache
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.12
Set-Cookie: bb2_screener_=1295582388+71.202.100.230; path=/
Vary: Cookie
Set-Cookie: wpmp_switcher=desktop; expires=Sat, 21-Jan-2012 03:59:48 GMT; path=/
X-Pingback: https://balloon-juice.com/xmlrpc.php
X-Mobilized-By: WordPress Mobile Pack 1.2.4
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
so the etag stuff, and the other cache control will destroy the live-ness.
Cain
@WereBear:
That man is a model of how man a man can love a woman. Anybody who feels that way towards his wife cannot be bad. Wish them both well.
cain
Origuy
@MobiusKlein:
This. Is indispensable.
Paul
@Comrade Mary:
I’ve never understood the visceral reaction some people have to this song. Sure, it’s saccharine (we’re talking McCartney and Wonder here for chrissakes) but voted “the smuggest, most pretentious pop song in history” by Sully’s minions? Really? It’s a pop song! Lighten up.
Angry Black Lady
@Uncle Clarence Thomas:
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NOTICE OF PUNCTUATION INCIVILITY
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go sell crazy someplace else. we’re all stocked up here.
FeFiFo
This video almost got me in trouble as a child; while I got the idea that singing “side by side, you are my amigo, Negro, let’s not fiiiiiiiight” didn’t have bad intentions behind it, its really not the kind of thing a little kid should necessarily bust out with in the grocery store.