Amazingly, our popularity continues to wane in the Middle East the more bombs we drop.
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by John Cole| 33 Comments
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Amazingly, our popularity continues to wane in the Middle East the more bombs we drop.
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Hypnos
It’s not bombs. It’s Israel.
General Stuck
No comparison of the number of bombings and civilians killed by us, and others when Iraq was raging and thousands a month were being slaughtered. I agree it is mostly Israel, and maybe some “why not us” for world and US assistance given to Libya and not in Syria, or the other Arab Spring revolts.
Maude
The west has never been popular in the Mid East.
It doesn’t matter what the US does, we are not going to be liked.
@Hypnos:
This, too.
General Stuck
Oddly enough, when you ask Arabs on the street why they don’t like America, most of them will tell you they do like America, but hate our government policies in their part of the world. Its all the dead dinosaurs behind most of it.
Though not with Israel, that is a different matter.
Keith G
@Maude
Which outsiders do Middle Eastern get all giggly about? They don’t even seem to like each other.
murbella
Libya is the only place where we are popular dumbass. At least we are bombing the dictator and his chad mercs there instead of propping him.
wanna know some reasons muslims hate us?
Israelinazis
haw haw haw America is joined at the hip with “the only democracy in the ME”
Panetta is on a Iraqi tour to try to muscle Maliki into axing us to stay on, but that aint gonna fly with Muqtada. He and Allawi want to make America pay reparations.
Dude…we spent 4.4 trillion there an’ all we got to show for it is one measly church in Kirkuk.
We won’t get to keep the fab airbases.
jaysus you are thick.
Maude
@Keith G:
Valid point, thanks.
Just Some Fuckhead
People don’t like to be blowed up? That can’t be the lesson here.
murbella
Maude, Keith G
well Pakistan is getting giggly with China. Does that count? They just bought chinese jets.
Don’t you retards get it?
Most of MENA hates our guts.
We propped dictators for 50 years and didnt give a shit if they sodomized students or busted heads as long as they made nice with Israel.
We invaded and occupied Iraq and A-stan and tried to shove Our Glorious Missionary Democracy down their throats.
We caused the death of a million iraqis and made 5 million orphans.
Do you think they love us?
murbella
Cole why do you insist on concerntrolling Obama on Libya?
Did you catch that disease from one of your libertarian reacharounds with de Bore and Kain?
murbella
i guess its like a glibertarian STD.
Cacti
But we had to get involved in ________________ cause ______________ is a bad guy, and there would have been a genocide otherwise.
Uncle Glenny
It also can’t help that we’ve been having congresscritters and president wannabes trapsing around Israel and making nicey-nice, along with such apocalyptic idiots as Christians United for Israel (stuff on founder John Hagee – he’s the one McCain had to repudiate during the campaign).
murbella:
I believe Afghanistan is selling mineral rights to China (there’s a narrow corridor that connects them).
PIGL
my, this post really flushed out the trolls. I think the clearest statement I take away from this is, brown mooslims hate us no matter what we do because they are nothing more than a bunch of unlettered, unsaved scorpions crammed too tightly into a sack. They have an unthinking hatred for each other, and for godly white western hands which seek only to help them.
So, we may as well bomb the bezeesus out of them whenever the whim bites. And of course only a fool and a poltroon and a libtard would imagine that oil had anything to do with it.
murbella
No PIGL, Cole just needs to get that Libya != OIF/OEF
1. We were invited
2. We are on the side of the Islamists for once, and that means we have a good chance at a positive outcome.
We are dropping bombs on genocidal tyrant Qaddafi and his supporters, instead of propping Qaddafi like we propped Mubarak, Saleh, the Shah, Assad, King of Bahrain, King of Jordan, and the Saud Princes.
For once we are on the side of democracy and on the right side of history.
We are on the side of the insurgents….for once.
Cole is just stuck in his glibertarian Obama concerntroll mode.
its like a disease.
Cathie from Canada
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
John Puma
Really?!?
WhoEVER could have foreseen THAT???
And whoEVER is able to correctly translate “our falling popularity” into a multi-trillion dollar terrorist recruiting program with, of course, its domestic economy AND liberty/justice destroying “bonus”?
THE
@Murbella
This is part bullshit, Marbles.
The country that has most seriously supported Assad is Iran. Even now Iran is shipping aid to Assad.
Saudi is supporting the Sunni uprising and the Shia Iranians support the Alawite Assad regime, The Alawites have historical connections to the Shia. The Syrian uprising is part of the wider Sunni-Shia conflict.
Similarly in Bahrain where the Saudi invaded to support Sunni govt against Shia majority.
A Pakistan-China relationship is the only possible future. Pakistan and China have been close allies since forever. Pakistan was one of the first countries in the world to recognize the PRC. PRC assisted Pakistan nuclear industry including acquiring the Bomb.
IMHO US should support democratic India, post-AfPak.
That is far more consistent with US strategic goals and interests and values.
US is not dominant player in Libya. The agenda is being set by UK-France.
murbella
lol Spock.
we had a shaitan bargain with Assad– we wont destabilize you as long as you keep your israel border quiet.
Assad can’t hold up his end anymore, since the Arab spring came to town.
we support the KSA royals, so we support all their client dictators.
yes, we should support India, so they can take more tech jobs from Americans.
lol
THE
Marbles.
Read Pepe at ATO. He has been documenting the Saudi-Iran dimension of the MENA spring.
for example:
Syrian Chessboard
House of Saud Paranoia
No you should support India so you have a friend when China becomes the global superpower.
Edit: India must become closest US ally. Closer than UK. Closer than Israel.
Paul in KY
I would like us to become closer to India. The jobs go over there anyway, so maybe a closer relationship might stem that a bit.
Plus, India is a dynamic growing country that can be a non-Chinese option for us.
THE
True, Paul.
murbella
Spock, none of that contradicts what i said.
it isnt the getting closer to dotheads that is the problem, its getting the fuck away from the Israelinazis before they implode.
THE
You sound like a psycho sometimes.
“Israelnazis” is just extremist bullshit.
Israel is no worse than any other colonialist that has displaced a native people from its homeland.
i.e. No worse than USA. No worse than Australia.
You forget how many Jews were driven out of Muslim lands and found refuge in Israel after 1948.
Your crap about only achievement is building a church in Iraq is whackjob psycho propaganda.
Building churches was never US goal in Iraq.
Building oil wells might have been, military bases, embassies.
FWIW Iraqi oil production is going up still.
China will probably be biggest customer.
murbella
extremist bullshit?
what do you think about this, Spock?
sounds pretty fucking illiberal to me.
we built a church in Iran? now THAT would be an achievement.
im saying the measly little church in kirkuk iraq is the only tangible achievement for our ginormous investment of blood and treasure.
FYI we arent going to get to keep the airbases.
THE
sorry corrected the iran to iraq. Typo.
THE
When do I support Israeli colonialism?
I just say it is not Nazism.
Perhaps you are just deeply ignorant of Nazism.
I have spent years studying Hitler.
Trying to understand what happened and how and why.
Mien Kampf sits on my bookshelf still.
There is no comparison to Israel.
If you think so, you are just stupid or ignorant.
murbella
we already went over this. Israel is to Gaza as Nazi Germany was to occupied Warsaw.
this is more interesting.
The Iraq List and State of Law political blocs have both voted to kick the Occupiers out.
Those are the two main political blocs, and we all know where the Sadrist Trend will go.
nah nah nah, nah nah nah, hey hey hey
goooood-bye
THE
Even that is deeply flawed. Warsaw Ghetto was built as a holding pen because Warsaw was the center of the rail transportation network for the cattle cars that transported Jews to the death camps.
Warsaw ghetto only lasted 2 and a half years, because that’s how long it took to process the Jews through the extermination system.
murbella
so what Spock?
the Israelis penned up human children in ghettos and starved them and shelled them.
I hope the Arab Spring drives the Zionists right into the sea.
THE
And the Americans wiped out the Buffalo that was the foundation of the economy of the North American Indians.
My point is that colonialism and imperialism are 90% of the history of mankind.
And the reason is because the Earth has been populated for more than ten thousand years. And ever since then, the only way for one people to expand, is at the expense of another.
There is a reason I want to colonize Space. It would change the dynamic of human history.
murbella
but the rest of the planet didnt get a blow-by-blow with pics and video while they were doin’ it.
that is the difference.
whadat al wujud and whadat al shuhud.
for centuries anglosaxon xianity was the dominant fitness strat on the planet.
look around you Spock. the white eyes are killing their own buffalo now.
THE
But surely you realize that when an American like you preaches about the terrible Zionists, while actually sitting on land stolen from the American Indians, then it is hard for me to avoid thinking that it is one law for Jews and another one for Americans?
Go ahead prove me wrong. By next month I expect to see you giving all your posessions to a Native American family and head back to Ireland where you belong or else shut the fuck up.