Monsieur Kerry today:
“I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as president,” Kerry declared to some of the biggest applause of his half-hour speech in the Great Hall at Cooper Union.
Kerry then promised to tell the truth instead of “hiding behind front groups” — an apparent reference to attack ads by veterans who accuse Kerry of misstating his war experience in Vietnam…
“The Bush campaign and its allies,” Kerry told them, “have turned to the tactics of fear and smear because they can’t talk about jobs, health care, energy independence … real issues that matter.”
At least Kerry is now admitting Bush has some allies. I was worried this was going to become a unilateral speech. At any rate, the reason Kerry is so pissed off about the Swift Vets are not the charges themselves, but stylistic differences about hopw the charges are being presented. Kerry believes if you are going to smear someone, you do it yourself, openly, with the willing cooperation of the press.
How else can you explain this ‘PRESS RELEASE’:
Wulfgar
So let’s get this straight. Bush says that Kerry served admirably, Yes? Bush’s reelection campaign supports groups that stands contrary to that opinion, Yes? Kerry calls Bush to task for his lack of evidence that he completed his service … and no proof of Bush’s claims are at all forthcoming, yes? Bush says that he used no connections to get into the national guard when there is ample evidence that he did, yes? Who’s the hypocrite? Who’s the liar?
Innuendo and style do not make an argument, John. You know this.
Thomas J. Jackson
Actually Kerry is the liar. He enlisted in the Naval Reserves, not the Navy but was called up for the war. He did the same thing Bush did. Kerry sought to get a quiet billet and thus sought service in a coastal unit, unfortunately for him the Navy decided to use the coastal patrols in riverine warfare. Bush’s records have been posted and only the most obtuse believe that the Democrats and the media would not have destroyed Bush had he been guilty as their canards imply. Perhaps this is why Kerry is so honored at any veterans meeting he attends. I assume he will also get thunderous ovations at any military installation he visits as a “war hero.” Just as Clinton did.
Max M
Bush refused to criticise a bunch of lying smear artists in 2000 and he’s refusing to do it again now.
He was caught saying he’d get nastier with John McCain ‘but not on TV’ when he thought his mike was off. John McCain knows how this Texas Republican smear machine operates and he was right to say back then that George W Bush should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashame of himself, but he isn’t because he is a venal, self-centred man with no honour.
HH
“Bush says that Kerry served admirably, Yes? Bush’s reelection campaign supports groups that stands contrary to that opinion, Yes? Kerry calls Bush to task for his lack of evidence that he completed his service … and no proof of Bush’s claims are at all forthcoming, yes?”
Just saying the word “yes?” after everything doesn’t make it so.
Wulfgar
Just saying the word “yes?” after everything doesn’t make it so.
Absolutely true, and pointing that out doesn’t make it false. Do you have an argument?
Bush saysKerry served admirably, yes? (Proven in this very post)
Bush’s reelection campaign supports groups that stands contrary to that opinion, Yes? (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/24/veterans.group.ap/index.html)
thus it is proven.
Kerry calls Bush to task for his lack of evidence that he completed his service … and no proof of Bush’s claims are at all forthcoming, yes?” (proven in this post)
As I said in my original comment, innuendo and style do not make an argument … but keep trying. Its fun to watch the waffling.
capt joe
Wulf, ah I see, secret double probation.
The problem with you is that you don’t read very well.
in the article we have the following:
Larry Noble, head of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics campaign watchdog group and former FEC general counsel, said it’s true that serving as a lawyer for both a campaign and a soft-money group isn’t considered automatic evidence of coordination under commission rules, but added that it doesn’t mean the FEC won’t look at it.
“I think there’s a valid question about when you’re talking about strictly legal advice and when you’re talking about policy issues and strategic issues,” Noble said. “It’s fair to ask what the advice is about.”
Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once
So even the DNC says “there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once”
And Joe Sandler was the lawyer for both the DNC (Kerry) and MoveOn (the guys with the Bush = Hitler ads).
Nice try.
Next!
Wulfgar
Thomas J. Jackson, I don’t know who slipped you that oh so pleasurable bullshit enemy, but you might want to check the record:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf
Notice the line where John Kerry *requests* service in Vietnam …or remain a total ignoramous. Your choice, of course.
capt joe
Isn’t Kerry the guy who said he hasn’t spent a dime attacking Bush’s Vietnam record?
Thnaks for proof that Kerry was lying afterall.
Good Job!
capt joe
Wulf, yes he did request that duty.
The bad luck for him was that just after he requested it, the ops planning for swift boats changed completely to a very dangerous one. Orignally it was a nice cozy billet patrolling offshore.
Wulfgar
capt joe, links would helpful here, if for no other reason than to show you aren’t taking things out of context, or making stuff up. I’m sure you understand why I request such as a good faith getsure of honest communication.
capt joe
Oh, and he was already going to war, ie. Vietnam so requesting to go to Vietnam is a bit odd.
His request was not for vietnam but swiftboat duty.
Why swiftboats, you ask? He referred to himself as JFK. In WW2 another JFK made a name for himself on patrol boats (PT-109). I reckon that was the reason for the choice.
capt joe
Well, I was referring to the link you posted. That quote was direct from the article.
Which information do you want a ref to?
The danger of swiftboat duty after the operation plan changed?
Wulfgar
All right Joe, now you’re pulling stuff right out of your ass. It says clearly in the linked PDF file:
1. I request duty in Vietnam. (John Kerry)
capt joe, at least try to keep in touch with reality while throwing shit around, okay?
Wulfgar
Isn’t Kerry the guy who said he hasn’t spent a dime attacking Bush’s Vietnam record?
Link please?
So even the DNC says “there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once”
No, Joe Sandler says this, not the DNC. And unlike Ginsberg, Sandler isn’t shown to be working for the Kerry re-election campaign. Proof please.
MoveOn (the guys with the Bush = Hitler ads).
You are so full of it. Proof please.
capt joe
Kerry
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/23/165046.shtml
“Dole said Kerry responded, “I haven’t spent one dime attacking President Bush.”
Joe Sandler is General Counsel for the DNC
http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_pdf.html
Check the signature block.
And I can’t believe you didn’t see the Move On Bush comparison to Hilter ad. It was the talk of the blogosphere. You must have been sleeping under a rock
Wow, you ask for links and give insults before you get the data. What a silly little doofus you are.
feeling link Kerry is going to lose ?
hmmm.
Max M
Capt. Joe, your miseducation about the MoveOn-Hitler ad imbroglio says a LOT about you. Do a google, and educate yourself, or better yet, check out some internet sites that aren’t completely Republican.