Matt Welch at Reason:
One way of interpreting O’Donnell’s upset victory is as a sign that insane anti-masturbators are emerging from America’s fever swamps and marching toward Capitol Hill, ready to sic ex-gay-ministry counselors on Barney Frank in the unlikely event they can get past Democrats on Nov. 2. And maybe that’s true. But I might propose an alternate way of looking at it: Anti-spending and anti-establishment sentiment is running so strong right now that even an obviously flawed, possibly nutsoid political neophyte looks better to a lot of people than just another TARP supporter.
Still pimping the notion that what motivates these people is limited government.
*** Update ***
Digby, Digby, Digby… Of course this isn’t about race, this is all about limited government.
Amanda in the South Bay
Again, in a just world Welch, et al would be living from paycheck to paycheck getting shit upon by the rich and affluent as cashiers, and I’d be making big $$$ and writing whatever shit just came out of my ass and going to conferences and hobnobbing with the rest of the village.
Because you get a couple thousand more votes in a closed Republican primary, you obviously must have tapped into the zeitgeist of the nation.
Clearly from Matt Welch’s writing Christine O’Donnell isn’t the only possible “nutsoid.” That’s a high level of delusion he’s reaching for there.
Well, to be fair to O’Donnell, she is trying to save America from the hideous threat of ..orgy rooms:
God only knows what will happen when she realizes that Taco Bell exists.
So…what, he’s trying to frame this election as a choice between not having TARP and legalized masturbation? Because if so, the choice is pretty damn obvious. At least to those of us who like having a functioning economy.
I love the way Welch is trying to find an intellectually responsible way to spin this, and get on the side of the ‘Baggers here, while admitting their excesses and their “possibly flawed” choice.
Bonus for the Barney-Frank-is-so-gay line.
It is so hard keeping the angry peasants with their burning torches and nooses away from your door.
@Sentient Puddle: not so sure those are exclusionary propositions… pretty sure there was a LOT of
masturbationself-congratulation going on at the banks that got bailed out on our dime…
I just don’t get it when these people act as if there was something wrong about supporting TARP. Sure, there may have been better alternatives (although not coming from the Right!), and there was something seriously wrong in not following TARP up with some seriously hard-assed regulation (not that the Glibertarians would agree with that), but in late 2008 the alternative to TARP was huddling around oil barrel fires in the chill winter wind roasting rats on skewers. TARP was a necessary measure to prevent our entire economy from imploding, and it worked. It was ugly, and it was never intended to address the underlying problems that caused the collapse, but it worked. Bashing TARP is no more reasonable than bashing all taxation and all regulation – although, as the Glibs do that as well, maybe I shouldn’t act so surprised.
BTW, and less topically, Sci-Fi writer and blogger John Scalzi has a great essay on the miserable communication efforts of the Dems up today.
Has Matt Welch ever met any genuine Republican base voters lately? The ones I met don’t know anything about TARP or the nuances of the financial industry. They are not even remotely curious about those things. They do tell me, however, that 30 million Mexicans a year come to the US just to use our emergency rooms. From them I have also learned that global warming is part of a plot by Al Gore to do something they weren’t quite clear on, and that teh Muslims are on the brink of imposing Sharia law on the US. Obama is also a Muslim member of a radical black power church, and gay marriage encourages people to become gay.
There’s more, but you all know the deal; I don’t think Matt Welch does.
I might suggest to Mr. Welch that there’s another explanation for the O’Donnell primary win…I just need a link to that quote about certain people being willing to live in a box if it means the people in the box next to them don’t have a sparrow to roast on a shower curtain rod…
Why, oh, why do you torture yourself with reading these assholes, Cole? You know that you’re going to get your boxers in a bunch every.single.time.
Reasonoids are just as stupid, delusional, and dishonest as any teatard you can find. In fact, probably more so. I don’t understand why you do this to yourself.
Orgy rooms? Menage-a-trois rooms? O’Donnell sure has a vivid sexual imagination for a self-avowed virgin.
All projected on her enemies, of course.
@morzer: Leave it to a Republican to bring up the subject of orgy rooms. I wonder how Ms. O’Donnell feels about lesbian bondage clubs.
So when given the choice between a mealy-mouthed McCain conservative and a crazed hard-right extremist, the Delaware Republican Party will vote for the extremist.
However, when given the choice between crazed hard-right extremist and jovial moderate-left County Executive, the state polls hard left. Perhaps the good folks at Reason can explain why the majority of Castle voters favor Coons over O’Donnell. Could it be because the moderate Republicans are too pro-spending, pro-establishment TARP supporters? Because that’s the only conclusion I can arrive at.
According to the major networks and some of the right-wing punditocracy, in early voting in Delaware yesterday, 30,000 GOP voters in a closed primary decided the elections this November.
@geg6: He does it for us.
And fuck me. Right on cue, we have an ad for Ben fucking Stein staring me in the face.
Yeah, because cutting all the taxes would fix the deficit, which is of course what most Americans are worried about even though there’s no evidence that they are.
That woman is speaking French — worse, correctly! Traitor to the Sacred Cause!
(thinking about that order. Assuming the rhetorical progression of from bad to worse, does she see a Menage à trois as kinkier than a dull old Orgy? veddy veddy inter-esting.)
$50,000 says that Welch couldn’t tell us serious O’Donnell positions on the deficit, tax cuts, entitlements, and defense spending. Even with Google and the ability to call her campaign, he’d soundly lose that bet.
to me, it’s clear that “anti-spending and anti-establishment” is the official organizing principle of the teabaggers, however uninformed and naively it manifests. but it’s also obvious that a lot of other stuff motivates many of them as well, including all kinds of really ugly isms and phobias that the big brains at “Reason” are happy to overlook because libertarianism is simply “I Got Mine, Jack” masquerading as a high-minded philosophy about “freedom”. they’ll hop on any train that looks like it might take them to the magic land of low taxes, no matter what that train’s real destination is – persecution and demonization based on religion and ethnicity? bygones! elementary school grasp of economics? whatever! pre-school grasp of civics? no problem! as long as my marginal tax rates go down, who cares!?
@geg6: it’s simple… first they came for the masturbators, and Cole just laughed… next they’ll come for the masochists and he’ll be in serious trouble….
August J. Pollak
Well technically “limited government” is a way to describe not wanting black people to run it.
Perhaps she is just thinking of the size of room required for each event and listing in descending order.
pseudonymous in nc
One way of interpreting Matt Welch is to argue that he represents a valid contrarian perspective on primary politics. But I propose another: he’s a Koch-sucking whore who is too much of a coward to admit that his gang has been bankrolling and cheerleading a pack of nutcases.
“Stop all the damn spendin'” means “stop giving my money to all the n****** ’cause that’s where I think it goes!”
The Other Chuck
Ah yes, “limited government” that starts wars, builds fences, spies on its citizens, shuts down abortion providers, rewrites textbooks, and interferes with end-of-life care. Limited government that believes in private property rights unless that private property includes a mosque.
Glibs, how about you don’t piss on my fucking head and tell me it’s raining.
For a party that regularly polls less than 1%, libertarians sure think they have the pulse of the nation.
First they came for the masturbators, but I … oh, wait.
I feel so cheated. My college didn’t have menage-a-trois rooms.
This kind of thing is so funny. It’s not even close to what motivates these people. They want the red meat of teabaggerism: no brown people, no gays, no Muslins, etrc.
Eventually whoever writes this stuff is going to write something that goes against the white/straight/Christian axis and they will be deemed Not Conservative Enough. You never thought it would happen to Karl Rove, and look what happened today. And then they’ll be tossed out on their rear and they’ll wonder what happened.
I might propose yet another way of looking at it. Republicans are idiots who will eat a shit sandwich every day for years, provided you call them “twinkies”.
…provided you call them “Freedom twinkies”
I’ve never paid much attention to Reason. Has the title of the publication always been meant ironically, or is this a recent development?
My guess is it did. They might have been unofficial and you might not have been there, but I bet they existed. Sorry.
My guess is it did. They might have been unofficial and you might not have been there, but I bet they existed. Sorry.
She’s clearly aspirational in her visions of orgies. Whew, I need to get out more.
@Martin: Well, odds are all her allowable positions would be missionary.
mine did. but you needed a 3.8 GPA to get in. i couldn’t manage.
Spot on. they don’t want limited government, they want a government that is active in enforcing conservative christian ideology. Some of them might think they want limited government control over the economy but that’s just because they are largely ignorant of all the ways the government has made this country prosper and all the ways they are directly dependent on the government
pseudonymous in nc
Well, we know her position on fiscal responsibility: unpaid college debts, IRS liens, two losing campaigns with craploads of unpaid bills, a neat little scheme to live in her campaign office and pay a chunk of the rent with donations, and FEC citations up the unsullied-by-lust wazoo.
Charlie Pierce got it dead right when he called her “something of a deadbeat.”
Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant official, college-sanctioned menage-a-trois rooms. I’m pretty sure the unofficial ones were in full, ahem, swing.
What motivates people is not limited government. What motivates people is the term “limited government,” because it masks so many other things that motivate conservative voters, which they don’t want to have to say in public. Just like the terms “individual responsibility” and “traditional values.” No need to define. Just need to keep repeating over and over.
We did, but they were usually booked weeks or months in advance. Sometimes a slot would open up at the last minute if someone cancelled or something, but usually not.
If it’s all the same to you Matt, I’ll stick with the whole “fever swamp” scenario.
That makes SO much more sense, given the mental capacities of the people we’re dealing with here.
Amanda in the South Bay
@pseudonymous in nc:
Well, to be fair, college loan debt is a big problem for many, not just failed fucked up teabaggers.
@dmsilev: And then, I suppose, finding that third, or even second, person on short notice became the sticking point?
Also too, private or state?
They want “limited” government whenever it helps concentrated wealth be even less limited.
Christine O’Donnell ’10, A Dry Run For Palin ’12
I know that the GOP will eventually put out the flames (because they always manage to), but for a second here it really seems like all this tea party hatred and bullshit that burns so brightly could flame out by November.
Or so I hope.
This woman got the vote of less tha 5% of the registered voters in Delaware. She is going to get creamed in November. And yes, you can work off the word “creamed”.
Scary, scary, scary. All I can say is, I hope the economy is in better shape by then. If it’s not…shudder.
I have faith that President Gingrich’s strategy of choking the fire with gasoline will ultimately prevail.
She’s just sticking her fingers in the dyke…. but it’s all going to flood over, sooner or later.
Except that they’re not running on fiscal conservatism and won’t be fiscal conservatives, you shitdragon.
@maus: Is a shitdragon some form of flying lizard that vomits fecal matter rather than fire? Inquiring minds want to know.
Shit, thought that said “Christine O’Donnel ’10, A Dry Hump For Palin ’12”
Sorry. I’m sure I do stuff like that because my college didn’t have official menage-a-trois rooms. Nor I was never invited to the unofficial ones.
Near as I can tell from her Wikipedia profile, the only job O’Donnell has ever held was with some conservative political outfit, which canned her after a year. That’s another way that she’s like Sarah Palin, whose private sector work experience consists of one year doing the weekend sportscast.
It used to be that conservatives fawned over big-business types. Now they don’t even care if their candidates have ever been able to hold a job.
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My wingnut rellies swear this is what they’re all about. Limited government, of course, including the Surveillance State and Endless War against Terra, along with fences along the borders, etc., etc. But they still consider themselves for “limited government.” There is no logic.
My wingnut friends swore they were for limited government and a balanced budget, all while insisting we needed to be fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. When I asked them how they proposed paying for it, they’d say that military spending was separate or didn’t count or couldn’t be cut and something else had to be cut. Or something along those lines.
They also swore they were against gay marriage because they didn’t want to pay for it. I never did quite understand what they meant, but I think they meant paying for Social Security survivor benefits or something. Because that would be such a burden if gay were allowed to marry.
Or maybe, just maybe, the GOP has been fluffing the far right for so long, it was inevitable that the inmates would eventually try to seize control of the asylum.
@Violet: My wingnut friends and coworkers all think that there’s more than enough money from the federal government going to welfare and illegal immigrants and crooked contracts with liberals to give free houses to the blacks that once you cut down on what they imagine to be several trillion dollars, there will be plenty of money to pay for as many wars as you want. And they don’t need none a yer damn ‘facks’ to tell ’em they’s wrong.
Who cares about O’Donnell? How about the exciting big news out of the DNC? Boy, that new logo sure is snazzy. Who cares that it looks almost exactly like the Dewey’s Pizza logo. I just know that it’s the answer to the Dems mid-term troubles. Howard Dean should hang his head in shame that he didn’t think of that! That Tim Kaine, now he’s leadership you can look up to!
@Church Lady: Shorter Church Lady: Look over there, something shiny!
I don’t know what Dewey’s Pizza is, but the new Dem logo is teh suck. It looks like a Euro road sign.
James K. Polk, Esq.
@Violet: Should have gone to Berkeley.
This much was admitted twenty five years ago by W’s middle age frat buddy Lee.
Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”
Heh. The logo does suck, though. Kos even made fun of it today.
If you go to the Democrats.org website, they’ve got a graphic of a hand with a finger pushing a button to encourage people to vote. Only at first glance it looks a little like the hand has the wrong finger extended. Maybe not the best message.
Edit: I just realized the site is totally rendering wrong for me in Firefox. Really not good at all.
Edit again: Just checked in IE. It’s rendering wrong there too. FAIL.
I hate masturbatin’, but I hate the guv’mint more!
@Violet: The “D” in a circle? I don’t have a problem with it. More meh than anything else. I assume market research went into it.
OT, NBC News just reported that Obama will not nominate warren because some Dems don’t like it because Wall Street does not like it. I am officially not going to vote for Obama again and will not contribute this cycle. Die Democrats.
Big Government was the culprit behind the end to lynching, and Dixie never forgets, nor forgives.
Yeah, the D in a circle. I think it looks kind of stupid. But as the tab logo in my Firefox tab it looks pretty good. Rather distinctive.
But the Democrats.org website is rendering totally wrong for me. There are some kind of white bullet point items are rendering improperly and go vertically down the page. They cover the zip code box, so if I try to click in the zip code box I can’t, and instead end up clicking on whatever almost-invisible white bullet point item is covering the box.
So the website is rendering poorly, it looks like it’s got a hand giving visitors the finger, and the logo kind of sucks. Not such a great roll out. I thought we usually made fun of the GOP website fail.
“states rights” “limited government” “honor” “the rest of the English language” all have coded meaning in the Confederate dictionary.
that’s mine, go fetch it boy
@Violet: It looks okay in Safari.
It was over the air
Yeah, Totally Obama’s fault he wouldn’t be able to get her through the Senate in whatever nominating process would inevitably come up.
Also, I heard he had tuna salad for lunch. NON-DOLPHIN safe Tuna! We wuz betwaaaayeeeedd! No votes for dolphin blood!
ETA: from what I’ve read, the President is placing her in a senior advisory position to take command of the process of setting up the CPA and handpicking the person to appoint. Someone who should be just as effective, but not a political lightning rod.
pretty plain and goofy for a serious organization… I know they were trying to play off Obama’s logo with the circle, but the logo comes off pretty amaturish… it comes off more like an emoticon…. :D …. and if that was the intent, then I’d go with this >:-[ instead
Just checked TPM and they say Tapper reported it over the air.
I’ve checked it in both IE and FF and it’s the same in both. Perhaps its my computer, but I haven’t noticed anything amiss with any other website today or recently, so I don’t know…
@Napoleon: Is this the story? It’s ABC, not NBC, but whatever. Looks to me like an attempt at an end run around the confirmation process rather than a cave in. YMMV.
Somebody get my tiny fiddle.
The guy lacks the balls to even try. He is a complete piece of shit who couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag, continues to trash the constitution, and is afraid of his shadow.
He has to go.
@Violet: Have you been drinking? It might be you not the computer.
read what I said, I was watching NBC on the air and they reported it. TPM mentions the ABC story.
Yeah, that’s how it comes across to me too. It seems very plain and uninspired. The color choices of the circle and the D also don’t work for me. Kind of hurt my eyes. I get that they’re playing off Obama’s logo, but it isn’t working.
Oh, heavens. I just scrolled to the bottom of the page. They have the Democrats logo and the Obama logo side by side. Kind of has a boob-ish look to it, when they’re side by side like that. Or maybe that’s just all the menage-a-trois talk that’s put my mind in the gutter.
You’ve got it slightly off.
Warren will not likely be nominated as the permanent agency head. She’s being installed as the interim (and non-confirmed) agency transition supervisor, as well as a special advisory position to the Oval Office for general economic policy.
It’s more third way bullshit from a procedural standpoint, and a total dodge by the Senate corporatists, but at least she’s still allowed in the building.
Well, if Obama has lost Napoleon, it must be his Waterloo after all.
@Napoleon: Don’t get pissy. I was asking if this was the story in the larger sense, not if it was the specific set of words that you had previously encountered.
I’ve had zero alcohol since becoming violently ill after drinking one glass of wine about six weeks ago. Spent the entire next day vomiting my guts up. Scared me off the sauce.
You mean the woman who ran for DE Senate as a Republican in 2006?
I know Reason is welfare, but I always thought that it was general welfare for people who can do basic research.
Looks like old Nappy here is busy retreating from Moscow. It’s probably best not to disturb him with complex ideas like strategy, tactics, reality….
You fucking emopants liberals are enough to make me reconsider self-identifying as a liberal or even a lefty.
Yes, his record on National Security vis-a-vis torture, the surveillance state, scaling back DOD excesses has been abysmal. But it’s not him that’s keeping Gitmo open, it’s Congress.
Yes, the HCR bill wasn’t everything I wanted. I was for Single Payer, and he campaigned on Single-Payer Lite aka The Public Option, but it wasn’t going to happen thanks to CONGRESS, so I’m thankful that a bill even passed.
You can take your blanky and your saliva-soaked thumb and go fucking pout for all I care. This president has been more effective at changing the country’s direction away from utter oblivion, legislatively and executively, than Any president since LBJ and possibly FDR.
Wah, Warren wasn’t placed in the exact position your fee-fees needed. Maybe, just maybe, the president isn’t thinking about your self-esteem as a voter. Maybe he’s too busy governing, effectively.
@Violet: Well, that’s your problem right there. You done got too much blood in your alcohol system.
Yeah, it’s a problem alright. I don’t know what made me sick, but I was so, so, so sick that I’m avoiding anything I ate or drank that could be the culprit. I doubt it was the wine, but just in case…
He is incapable of taking a stand. It is that simple. Dare Dodd and the Republicans to vote against it.
Simple solutions are for simple minds. Shall we tell Christine O’Donnell you are willing to be her campaign coordinator?
@Napoleon: Or get her into a position where she can start helping people rather than being a character in Senate confirmation theater?
“The guy lacks the balls to even try. He is a complete piece of shit who couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag, continues to trash the constitution, and is afraid of his shadow“.
Congrats on the subtlety!
@Violet: What browser are you using? Looks good to me in FF 3.6 with NoScript allowing the site to do what it wants.
@Napoleon: De rien.
I think you’re vastly overstating this administration’s regulatory superiority to its Democratic predecessors. Hell, there are still more than a few places in the environmental sector where you’re guilty of overstating this administration’s regulatory superiority to the Bush administration.
I’m beginning to look at this as Sarah Palin leading the Charge of the Homeschool Brigade all the way to 2012.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
@Napoleon: This is how the Republic died, not with a bang but with a whimper of ‘nach Palin, uns.’
Here is something simple, Obama is quite simply incompetent and a wimp. That is what brought us to this point.
What motivates the Tea Partiers is the Koch brothers’ cash. Why can’t Democrats get their narrative together? This isn’t “a grassroots Tea Party movement,” this is “a corporate front funded with payola from 2 billionaires.”
Right, which is why he’s accomplished more than any Democrat since Lyndon Johnson. Isn’t it time for you to go back to buying used PUMA underwear?
FF 3.6.9 and IE 8. It looks the same crappy way in both of them.
Yeah, that is exactly what I was trying to say, asshole.
You know what, Bob? I am in agreement with you, specifically on this avenue as well. I think Ken Salazar should have been canned after the Deep Horizon disaster. I mean, the dirty laundry with MMS was aired years ago, and they couldn’t get their department restructured in the last 2 years? That’s ridiculous if one of your main campaign goals is to flush out the corrupt ties between federal agencies and the corporations they’re overseeing. So yes, the Obama administration also is fumbling the ball on this issue, but I’m not cheering for impeachment or a loss at the ballot box. At some point, I realized that single issue voting is fucking retarded and childish in its approach. (Millions of people voted for W because he was “pro-life”, nevermind that his policies killed many many thousands of people)
When you’re a single issue voter on every issue du jour in the news cycle, like Napoleon here, it’s easy to see how the emo left gets demoralized and apopleptic when, overall, this administration is getting a lot of good things done.
I voted for him, not her, check the archives.
Well I am out – taking a walk and making dinner.
Oh, and Obama is simply not up to the job,
Jeebus, dude, I hope that’s snark. Because if it isn’t, you have seriously lost the thread of the narrative here.
No, the world isn’t here to validate your opinions, especially right this fucking moment in our country’s trajectory. History is long and this isn’t just about us. And if you haven’t noticed, crazy and evil people are poised to create all the conditions to tear this country apart. I try not to get dramatic about the fears I have and the despair I feel. That’s why I hang here, with people who could make me laugh as the country burns down around us. And you think Obama should just act like Bush and make an equal branch of government irrelevant? And you think that would be the progressive thing to do? Really, governing by fiat is now a liberal value? He pisses me off plenty for many of the same reasons he pisses you off, but you need to take a good look around you and then tell me, realistically, in the political, economic, diplomatic, and social environment we live in, you expect Obama to do. Please be specific.
I usually like you a lot, dude, but this is just ridiculous.
And if it’s snark…masterful work.
I am not, but time and time again he has proven the same thing about his competence and ability.
@Violet: Looks perfect to me on FF 3.6.6 and IE8, Windows XP SP3. I can get into the zip code box, too. Have you got any plug-ins or security apps on your machine that could be causing a conflict?
I have to allow Active X on IE8 to load the site. Are your security settings just blocking that?
@Napoleon wrote stuff about elizabeth warren being out
FYI: Bob Cesca’s allegedly amazing blog says the opposite. or at least does not confirm your account. he cites ABC.
The Sheriff's A Ni-
The last I checked, his job description did not include ‘tending to tender firebagger fee-fees’. But if you want to believe he’s ‘incompetent’, then go right on ahead. Palin and O’Donnell certainly believe that too, so you’re in good company there.
Oh I see.. for the noble gesture of casting your vote, the rest of us have to rub soothing lotion into your delicate ego which has been so cruelly buffeted by the storms of reality. How truly heroic of you! Truly, none of us are worthy to buff your red Naughty Monkey pumps.
I am thrilled that Warren will have an advisory position in the White House, they need her. Hopefully she will be an integral part of the team for the next six years.
OT: I was just the 100th or 101st BJ Act Blue contributor. Keep it up BJers!!
I dunno. I haven’t done anything special to tweak either of them, although my Microsoft Update did download a bunch of updates last night. Maybe something there messed it up. I don’t tweak my browsers much and rarely use IE these days, usually only to check things. I run Ad Block on FF, but I’ve been running that for awhile, so I don’t think that’s it.
Maybe it’s the update. It’s just the auto-updater thing, so I don’t really know what it did.
My Windows update caused my machine to restart reeeeeeally slowly, then the Adobe fix (both for similar major potential exploits) forced my machine to run chkdsk the next time I restarted.
I’m backing up EVERYTHING before I restart again. I’m terrified.
Does anybody know what will happen if the FEC decidesin favor of Castle? Would Castle automatically become the Republican nominee, then, or what?