How long until the jumbotron applause story becomes accepted Washington fact, like the missing w’s on the White House computers, the earth tones/invention of the internet, the spitting on conservatives at the Wellstone memorial, not letting Casey speak at the convention, etc.?
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Comrade Javamanphil
I’ve got last Friday.
gbear
I don’t think it will stick. Nobody wants to voluntarily look that stupid.
jeffreyw
We went bingo a while back. You musta been napping, dude.
hildebrand
I predict that 27% will buy it, and everyone else will be thinking about the conference championships on Sunday.
Dennis SGMM
I dunno, it took me years to understand that hippies spat on me when I returned from Vietnam. These things can take time.
stuckinred
this blog is fuked again
burnspbesq
I heard the man saying something.
He said it’s already happened.
BGinCHI
Yeah, 28%.
Reality holds no attraction for those people.
hildebrand
On the other hand, it depends on what Kerry Livgren thinks.
Frank Chow
When it’s posted on Palin’s Facebook followed by a Broder column.
stuckinred
@Dennis SGMM: Pat Lang had another post about being spit on by a hippie chick in the SFO. I do not doubt his word but some folks wrote that the government had plenty of counter ops going on and we really don’t know who the spitters were. That was very well received by the old green beret!
BGinCHI
When Fred Hiatt decides shit is real, it’s real.
KG
@hildebrand: seconded.
Speaking of the 27%, I decided to bite the bullet and started reading Decision Points today (it was a Christmas gift from my mom). I’m about 50 pages in and can’t say that I’ve seen anything that resembles insight.
John - A Motley Moose
3…2…1…
BGinCHI
@stuckinred: Sounds like a really magical loogie.
gnomedad
@gbear:
It’s only secondarily about stupid. The 27-percenters feel a moral duty to believe anything bad about Obama. It’s goodthink to them. It’s true because it’s bad.
Loneoak
Given that it was true before it happened … I’d say November 4, 2008.
Loneoak
@KG:
I loved this review.
suzanne
Um, a week ago Saturday. Duh.
BGinCHI
@stuckinred: You see this?
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/01/14/npf-how-to-drive-in-snow/
Funny as hell.
Sidhra
Closed captions provided by Glen Beck
Joseph Nobles
It’s already accepted. The proper bet would be if and when RW blogs look at it with the same disdain as Birthers and Truthers.
cathyx
I say that it will be the same percentage of people, and the same people, who think that Sadaam had anything to do with 9/11.
stuckinred
@BGinCHI: It’s a week and there is still ice in the shaded areas on the roads and plenty of snow on the ground in places. My buddy runs a big crew at the physical plant at UGA and they had a great plan that worked well except where the city and the DOT made them stop plowing. He said he would have had downtown cleared the morning after but, noooooo.
Mattminus
I expect we’ll get a Nooners column saying that we really can’t know, but it would be irresponsible not to speculate. Then we’ll get a Broder column admitting that, while this is all BS, the fact that so many are willing to believe it is very telling and so indicative of a very real problem that Obama has that it might as well be true.
John - A Motley Moose
@Mattminus: Close the thread. You win.
dmsilev
Funny thing about that ‘missing w keys’ story. A high school classmate of mine was a White House intern at the beginning of the Clinton years, and she told me that the departing GHW Bush folks left all sorts of prank-type stuff behind. Things like gremlins in the computer network that would cause windows with “Bush rules!” to randomly pop up on people’s screens, some keyboards dekeyed and similar.
dms
jl
If the silly mistake is too risky to go with as true (due to likely loss of believability due to what viewers would regard rightly as undeniably dumb clownatude), or insufficient numbers of the general population can decipher the Nooner approach, many under realms of the media can pull out the ‘it’s a problem for the WH that they did not anticipate this”.
gypsy howell
@Dennis SGMM:
It worked on Pat Lang. He’s still peddling that story.
joe from Lowell
I don’t think this one will stick. People actually know what closed-captioning is.
Rhoda
That’s sweet, this is a done deal. The real question is when the guy whose wife died becomes the Obama Vince Foster.
Mike Kay
@joe from Lowell: yeah, Doug is suffering from PTSD. On Wednesday he thought the crowd enthusiasm would allow the wingers to cry foul, ala the Wellstone funeral. Instead, even the liberal John McCain said he loved it. Even the whining over blue shirts was immediately debunked by CNN.
joe from Lowell
@Mike Kay: Right, because we don’t live in a world where Republicans saying things is the central fact of our politics anymore.
This isn’t 1988, and it isn’t September 2001. Republicans said all kinds of things about Obama during the campaign in 2008. Remember Eric Cantor’s 19-page “budget outline,” and the reception it got?
Today, the Republican uber-men are just pols with a line of bull, like every other pol.
Obama’s speech is being lauded across the country. He’s a leader who brought the country together. The Republicans talking trash are just making themselves look like idiots. That happens sometimes nowadays.
Omnes Omnibus
@joe from Lowell: God, man, I hope you are right and we have turned some kind of a corner.
Cam
@KG: Decision Points as a Christmas gift? Does your mother not love you?
gwangung
@Omnes Omnibus: Maybe not A corner…but maybe a tiny pivot point. Hopefully, one among many. Because, as today teaches us, the murder of one civil rights worker in the South didn’t stop the hate, nor the second or third….but it slowly, but surely, did help turn the tide.
Restrung
@gwangung:
I like your style.
joe from Lowell
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m not saying the Republicans’ media machine is feeble. They can still kick some serious butt sometimes.
But something stupid like this isn’t a winner for them anymore. It makes them look like idiots to most people.
de stijl
@joe from Lowell:
Part of me thinks you could be correct (maybe the naive part of me), but it is disturbing that the number of Americans who think that Obama is Muslim has gone up from 10% to 34% is disturbing. Remember, the 34% is also the number that are willing to say this out loud to a pollster.
Thoughtful Black Co-Citizen
That’s not the right question. The question is how long various fucknuggets will push it before they get distracted by some other piece of INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF that Obama is going to unleash 12,000,000,000 ACORN thugs armed with butt plugs shaped like Lenin on ReaLAMErica ‘s backside.
MNPundit
DougJ, Kevin Drum researched the reporting around Casey at the Convention and discovered that at the time, it really WAS because Bob Casey wanted to make a pro-life speech.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005_03/005787.php
I’m not quibbling with your point but this one is true.
Bender
…and Tea Partiers yelling the n-word at Rep. Lewis, and the plastic turkey, and the Clinton “surplus.”
(I think Factcheck found that the “pulled W’s from the keyboard” thing was probably true. Harmless — and pretty funny — practical joke, at most. Also, I’ve never heard anyone claim they were spit on at the Wellstone pep rally, and a Google search for the relevant terms shows nothing of the sort — that one may be in your imagination.)
DougJ DougJson
@MNPundit:
Thanks for pointing that out.
Emily L. Hauser/ellaesther
@Dennis SGMM: Awesome.
Quaker in a Basement
Clinton’s haircut!
Cacti
The same percentage will believe that also believe the President never released his birth certificate.
About 27%.
That's Master of Accountancy to You, Pal
@MNPundit:
I may be replying in a dead thread, but . . .
I thought the claim was that he was denied a speaking role because he was pro-life. If it’s that he was denied a spot because he wanted to give a pro-life speech, then color me underwhelmed.
The pro-choice position is a major plank of the Democratic platform. No party is going to allow a speech attacking one of its major planks at the national convention. The Republicans haven’t exactly been forthcoming in allowing pro-choice speeches at their conventions. No one should be surprised by this. They don’t allow speeches in favor of pacifism, atheism or high marginal tax rates, either.
About the closest I can remember either party coming to allowing something like that in recent decades was the GOP letting Pat Buchanan speak in 1992. They only did it because it was the only way to stop him from protesting in the streets, which they liked less. It turned into a complete disaster for them. It’s a perfect example of why parties don’t allow such things.
As any sort of serious claim, it can’t be that pro-life speeches aren’t allowed at the DNC. It would have to be that someone with a pro-life position wouldn’t be allowed to give a speech on any subject, whether it touches on abortion or not. I haven’t seen a shred of evidence that that’s the case. In fact, there have been plenty of speakers at the DNC who are pro-life. They just talk about other things.
The right wing claim that Kevin substantiated is so trivial as to be pointless. DougJ is welcome to keep making his claim, as far as I’m concerned. If any of the trolls make an issue of it, just call them on their weak ass shit.
Karen
You mean it’s not already accepted as fact?
Or maybe, just maybe, the whole Obama demands applause thingee is a trial balloon, to see if it catches on and if it doesn’t, the theory will suddenly vanish.
Uloborus
@Mike Kay:
Wait, is that true? I can’t tell if you’re being snarky. You MUST be being snarky, I can’t imagine McCain admitting Obama’s not radioactive. But I’ve been avoiding the major news outlets because of a bad case of Washington Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Zuzu's Petals
It’s even worse than that. Ann Althouse actually believes – based on two pictures only – that Obama dyes his hair:
And of course this was immediately picked up by the Ol’ Perfesser and Jim Hoft.
Good God, these people are stupid.
de stijl
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t have gray hair.
jim
Arugula! Teleprompters! Giving Queen Elizabeth a DVD! Bowing to an Asian head of state! Closed Captioning! HAIR DYE!
Good to see conservatives still know what really matters.
Gregory
Ten seconds after Drudge links it. (SCLM: Drudge link turns out to be just more conservative bullshit? Unpossible!)
Ija
Edited because I can’t get block quote to work for multiple paragraphs.
Jamey: Bike Commuter of the Gods
Not to go further down the meme-hole, but when I replay Obama’s speech slowly, I can swear that I hear him muttering, “applause.”
(See, because he uses TelePrompters… Thankew. Thankew.)
mnpundit
@That’s Master of Accountancy to You, Pal:You raise a good point! I’ve heard both versions. The facts are that Casey was prevented from pushing an anti-abortion point of view on stage at the convention.
But there’s no need to defend whether it was good thing or not. Drum thinks it was reasonable to do so, and I think it’s reasonable to do so. If DougJ wants to call bullshit when the rightists bring it up, he should. But he shouldn’t say it was because Casey refused to endorse Clinton/Gore, that’s flat out untrue and our side shouldn’t make false claims.
Leave that to the right.