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Guns Don’t Kill People

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Abortions do:

Well, here’s an interesting weapon!

The Susan G. Komen Foundation, which collects and distributes money for Breast Cancer research and prevention is in the news for withdrawing its (relatively small) grant from Planned Parenthood.

So the Komen Foundation doesn’t want to be associated with the nation’s largest abortion-provider. But they don’t mind partnering up with a handgun maker.

Komen took off the mask, and people don’t like what they see. Right wing lunatics.

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  1. 1.

    Joseph Nobles

    Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Except in the case of Agent Brian Terry. Then the people who used the gun to kill him don’t matter, the gun matters. Especially when Obama let the guns walk to enable all of the Mexican drug violence so he could then take our guns away.

    The 0-crazy time is down to milliseconds when you’re dealing with Fast and Furious conspiracy theorists.

  3. 3.

    Wag

    I posted this on Doug’s thread, but it’s buried there

    Has anyone begin referring to the Komen headquarters as The Komen-dome? If not, then we should

    “Quick, Nancy, back to the Komen-dome!”

  4. 4.

    trollhattan

    Wow, why fight cancer in the lab when you can put a cap in its ass, uh, in it?

    Next thing we’ll discover is they fund Mariana Island sweatshops and worship Xenu.

    [holy crap, put that gun above the post and firearm ads are popping out everywhere.]

  5. 5.

    Freddy D

    There are no words.

    But there are lyrics I suppose…

    Well hand guns are made for killin’
    They ain’t no good for nothin’ else
    And if you like to drink your whiskey
    You might even shoot yourself
    So why don’t we dump ’em people
    To the bottom of the sea
    Before some ole fool come around here
    Wanna shoot either you or me

    New commentator…LONG time reader…one of my favorite sites and just want to add John – the site is great with your current crew, but it is better with ABL…don’t piss her off again!!!!

  8. 8.

    Tonal Crow

    The goodies just keep flying out of that pinata.

    This must be a record for the number of FP posts on a single topic.

  12. 12.

    Eric U.

    I became a lot more cynical about charities when Elisabeth Dole was put in charge of the Red Cross as a case of wingnut welfare.

    we were being harassed by a “breast cancer charity” for about a month. I finally asked one of the people to identify who she worked for, and I tracked them down. They spend 3% of the money on the charity, the rest goes somewhere else. And it turns out that a lot of the donations are drugs they get cheap/free that are past their expiration dates. It really opened my eyes up to what a criminal enterprise many of these “charities” are. And even the better charities are very much a waste of money. Wingnut welfare abounds.

  17. 17.

    eemom

    omg, this thing is really spiraling out of control now. It’s like some kind of pink electric kool aid acid test.

  22. 22.

    clayton

    @Joseph Nobles: I was wondering if anyone would point that out.

    And it’s not even the gun that killed the guy. They don’t even have that, but they are ready to impeach over the implied association . . .

  26. 26.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Mrs Greenspan, for whom this is simply terrible since it involves so many people one knows, just said it’s very interesting to see people from both parties [her emphasis] come forward to defend Planned Parenthood. I haven’t seen one Republican take PP’s side, and you’d think that would make some news.

  27. 27.

    AA+ Bonds

    It’s okay, I’m an ethical slut with my (inevitably correct) political advice….

    I just like a little ;) now and then

  30. 30.

    pragmatism

    susan g. komen facebook on 1/27/12:
    The CDC released a new study today that marks improvement in some minority cancer screening rates, but big gaps remain for the poor and uninsured. Review the new CDC study here: http://1.usa.gov/ykNbPe

    susan g komen twitter twat today:
    There will be no gaps in service to women as a result of our new funding criteria.

    they closed up the gaps in a week so the reduced funding won’t even matter. QED.

  32. 32.

    Satanicpanic

    @eemom: I kid you not, I actually typed that and then thought- nah, I’ll go with cigarettes. Great minds think alike.

  33. 33.

    JordanRules

    @AA+ Bonds: Nothing personal, but in this type of incident I prefer spammy comments aimed at keeping the momentum going like posting action items, contact info and important points about the victims of terrible policies.

  35. 35.

    honus

    I’ve always said “Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people”

    The gun at the top of the page is a Walther P22, a fairly accurate .22 caliber pistol. Sen Klein’s pistol was a 38 auto Ruger LCP, which is a piece of junk you can’t hit anything more than about 10 feet away. There are a lot of handguns in pink available now, you know, to appeal to the growing ladies’ market. I’m not sure any of them have anything to do with SGK, though.

  36. 36.

    different-church-lady

    Oh… my… fucking… god….

    At first I thought that pic was just a sort of editorial graphic. And then I clicked on the link.

    That is a picture of a real object. That really exists. In reality. Unbelievably.

  39. 39.

    AA+ Bonds

    @JordanRules:

    Nothing personal, but in this type of incident I prefer spammy comments aimed at keeping the momentum going like posting action items, contact info and important points

    Uhhhh I repeatedly posted extensive contact information for The Republic of Tea yesterday, a tea manufacturer and major donor that just gave $1 million to the Komen Hive Mind

    so you could get on that like you say you want to

    But while I’m mentioning it, go on, Google ’em up,

    really, I just want people to pay attention and work hard and not let it slip when they have the upper hand

  41. 41.

    freelancer

    @efgoldman:

    Wasn’t the P22 007’s weapon of choice in the original Ian Fleming James Bond novels? Or was that the PPK? So many decades ago…..

    Bond used the PPK, and in the more recent Pierce Brosnan films, he used the P99, a 9mm version of the P22. I’m no Bond, but I’m pretty awful. I’ve been using mine to perform abortions. Makes the wingnuts heads ‘asplode, I tell you.

  43. 43.

    Cowbelle

    This is reminding me of when the Boy Scouts decided they wanted to rebrand themselves as an anti-gay hate group.

  46. 46.

    AA+ Bonds

    @Cowbelle:

    This is reminding me of when the Boy Scouts decided they wanted to rebrand themselves as an anti-gay hate group.

    Exactly. Now you’re getting it!

  51. 51.

    Jason

    There’s now laws against making toys look too much like guns. Shouldn’t there be a law against making a gun look a bloody department store sex toy?

  52. 52.

    AA+ Bonds

    I said yesterday, grab Komen’s donors, don’t let go, hammer ’em with emails, phone calls, everything.

    “Are you giving money to Komen this year?”

    “Can I quote you on that?”

    Again, again, again, non-partisan The Republic of Tea’s $1 million donation to Komen:

    http://the.republicoftea.com/teablog/2011/10/03/1-million-in-donations-to-komen-for-the-cure/

    And their contact page:

    http://www.republicoftea.com/Contact-Us/a/CS2/

    And the contact information for media inquiries:

    Eva Wong
    Minister of Enlightenment
    5 Hamilton Landing Suite 100
    Novato, CA 94949
    (415) 382-3443
    [email protected]

  54. 54.

    AA+ Bonds

    @burnspbesq:

    I became sick and tired of y’all dragging ass when there is an election in 2012 that fucking means something

    If you can get off your Iraq-war-defending high horse for just a second and listen, then things can get done and elections can be won

  55. 55.

    suzanne

    LMAO. Even before I learned that Komen was a horrible organization, I objected to all the pink shit every October. Like, seriously, I don’t want a pink stand mixer, I just want a white one, and that doesn’t mean I’m all “yay cancer”. And saving the damn lids of my yogurt is NOT a charitable action on anyone’s part–it’s seriously the lowest level of engagement in society possible. UGH.

    Now to find out they’re hypocrites with torrentially poor taste… UGH.

  58. 58.

    AA+ Bonds

    @burnspbesq:

    blah blah blah that guy who killed civilians in Iraq should’ve gotten off scot free

    Look, I can dance with BigLaw here all day, we’ve proven that, but please, the rest of you? Learn from OWS.

    There is a stomach in America for hard-hitting, left-slanted revelation of the Right’s strategies.

    Now’s your moment, liberals, not mine. Seize it.

    Hit Komen, hit their donors, do it now before the media loses the story.

  59. 59.

    different-church-lady

    @Jason:

    Shouldn’t there be a law against making a gun look a bloody department store sex toy?

    They sell sex toys in department stores now? (I haven’t been near a department store in years.)

  61. 61.

    Emma

    I’m sorry but for me this has just descended into bad-movie territory. Betty Davis and Olivia de Haviland chewing the scenery. Pink guns? The gob, she has been ground into library paste.

  62. 62.

    AA+ Bonds

    Look, I post on here for a reason. I stopped trolling for a reason. I get raked over the coals here by the faithful like Veritas and m_c because they can’t believe I went native.

    But I like Cole – he was right on Libya, he proved he learned lessons that many of the rest of you haven’t. I like the rest of you, because you’re not pussywillows like the liberals I know and loathe. You can take shit, stand up, keep going.

    And what is important here is that y’all hit Komen’s donors now, en masse.

  63. 63.

    Nicole

    @different-church-lady:

    They sell sex toys in department stores now? (I haven’t been near a department store in years.)

    If they did, they’d probably stand a better chance of surviving. Someone alert Sears: what a great opportunity to revamp the Kenmore line.

  64. 64.

    eemom

    Pink snowmen! Pink snowballs! And little pink pills!

    — The Cat in the Hat Comes Back

    Maybe some VROOM could clean up teh Komen.

  65. 65.

    AA+ Bonds

    Look, I post on here for a reason. I stopped trolling for a reason. I get raked over the coals here by the faithful like Veritas and m_c because they can’t believe I went native.

    But I like Cole – he was right on Libya, he proved he learned lessons that many of the rest of you haven’t. I like the rest of you, because you’re not p***ywillows [it’s like Arrested Development here] like the liberals I know and loathe. You can take shit, stand up, keep going.

    And what is important here is that y’all hit Komen’s donors now, en masse.

  68. 68.

    The Snarxist Formerly Known As Kryptik

    Holy shit. Seriously? Fucking seriously? You lend your name to a limited edition pistol? As an organization meant to save lives? Jesus fuck, like others, I thought this was a fucking joke….and I guess it is a joke, but not an intentional one.

    …and ugh. Why do I bother with comment sections sometimes? The comments on the article there seem 90% “YAY KOMEN! FUCK THE PP BABY KILLERZZZZZ!!!”

  71. 71.

    Nellcote

    @wasabi gasp:

    Soon it will seem that bibles came pink straight from the saucer.

    (CBS/AP) Breast cancer awareness has turned a plethora of objects pink – including Bibles. But the pink-bound version of the Holman Christian Standard Bible has now been recalled by the Southern Baptist Convention’s publishing division, because some of the sales money was given to Planned Parenthood.

    PICTURES: Breast cancer campaign turns planet pink: Too much?

    A portion of the purchase price went to Susan G. Komen for the Cure. LifeWay Christian Resources, the Bible’s publisher, made the move after receiving complaints that some Komen affiliates were helping fund cancer screenings at Planned Parenthood clinics, which also provide abortions.

    “The sign might as well read, “Buy a Bible and support abortion!” wrote Susan Tyrrell, editor of the Christian news website LifeNews.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57344281-10391704/pink-bibles-pulled-over-planned-parenthood-link/

  73. 73.

    farmette

    Fuck the pink. Corporate branding crap. You want economic recovery? Give people access to common sense and good algorithmic health care. Freedom from economic catastrophe if they get sick. Right now, in part through the Obama health care reform, the government is mandating best practices. From all hospitals. That means the treatments that produce the best results for the most people are required, by all providers, hospitals and docs. The fight against health care coverage and reform for all is purely political. Mandates mean less money for hospital corporations, Republicans who will brand it socialist and cookbook medicine. Yet with the reforms, and over time, so many would live the life they want and create competition against a corporate model on a level never seen before. Doesn’t mean using more resources. Means letting people live decent and healthy lives. And enjoying it.

  75. 75.

    Shalimar

    @AA+ Bonds:

    “Thank you AA+ Bonds, we should have paid attention”

    It was so easy to miss these posts where you were right about whatever it is you were right about. They got buried beneath your thousands of posts about how awesome you are.

  77. 77.

    Mike G

    Komen will be to charity what Dennis Miller is to comedy — mediocrity supported only by narrow ideologues.

  79. 79.

    Gretchen

    @57 capnswag: I especially liked the part where they pointed out that the program was actually losing $200,000/year for the state, because 98% of recipients passed the test and had to be reimbursed the $30. But at least they got to shame them first, so there’s that.

  80. 80.

    RadioOne

    Does anyone else think this is a brilliant ploy by conservatives? If you can’t win over people politically on womens causes nationally, just infiltrate and infect women’s own institutions with right wing nonsense.

  81. 81.

    pseudonymous in nc

    @Joey Maloney:

    And the back-and-fill begins in earnest…

    Both the NYT and WaPo have committed journalism here, perhaps because they were given one on-the-record rationale by spokespeople and board members one day, and now have another one from the top brass. The NYT says “directly contradicted” and WaPo goes in the same direction.

    My prediction: tomorrow is the day when they finally get in the PR emergency firefighters and announce a “wholesale review” of their grant policy — not pledging to restore PP’s grant eligibility but to produce a revised and fully disclosed set of criteria that all recipients will then be judged against. And Karen Handel announces her resignation late in the day, during Friday garbage time, saying that the unwarranted focus on her role is distracting from Komen’s mission.

    Someone might want to register haskarenhandelresignedyet.com and put a big pink NO in the middle of the screen (and a donation link to PP) then be ready to replace it with a YES around 5pm.

  82. 82.

    Mnemosyne

    @AA+ Bonds:

    “Thank you AA+ Bonds, we should have paid attention”

    And those of us who have actually been following feminist blogs are saying, “Welcome to 2005, AA+ Bonds. Glad you could finally join us.”

  83. 83.

    maus

    @Shalimar: Right, I was too busy actually emailing and getting a response from them yesterday to give a fuck which one of the regular trolls is more interested in self-promotion and taking credit for the hard work of others than actually making a difference.

  84. 84.

    IM

    @AA+ Bonds:

    Look, I have read 30 or comments on Dailykos proposing the same. Ands some comment here. It is not that innovative an idea.

    So while not idiotic, you do act perhaps a bit narcisstic right now.

  85. 85.

    IM

    @Mnemosyne:

    And that too. I really don’t need AA+ bonds, intrepid commenter, to know there is a war against reproductive health in general and PP in particular. Reading pandagon every six months will do. hell, I could even learn that from BJ front posts.

  86. 86.

    Applejinx

    @IM: I dunno. It made me happy to see him pounding the table as a renegade troll gone native.

    That’s how we win, not by snarking to the like-minded but by staying strong about stuff that people can actually be persuaded of- by caring about things that matter and not backing down or spending all our time being self-satisfied.

    Welcome, AA+ Bonds, you brightened my day a bit, and I agree that beating on Komen is the order of the day. This crap is unreal. I’ve been fooled by them too, and would not have guessed they were both crazy rightwingers and the worst sort of corporate assholes. Had I known I would’ve boycotted them unhesitatingly.

  87. 87.

    glocksman

    Meh..

    I have no problem with SGK partnering with a gunmaker because I personally believe that any American who isn’t prohibited from owning a firearm under current Federal law shouldn’t have any problem owning such firearms anywhere in the USA.

    As such I have no more an issue of SGK partnering with a gunmaker than I would with them paring up with McDonald’s or Wendy’s.

    In fact, I’d probably condemn Walther or S&W for partnering with such a sleazy charity than the inverse.

    That said, I have a huge problem with SGK pushing a political agenda that is in direct conflict with their stated goals.

    Defunding PP is a direct assault upon the lower income women who depend on PP for cancer screenings.

    Fuck the SGK Foundation.

    As it is, my charitable donations go to two groups.

    The Salvation Army and the American Cancer Society.

    I give to the Salvation Army out of habit, plus I’ve read that they are among the most efficient charities out there.

    I give to the ACS because they were ‘Johnny on the spot’ helping to put my family up at no charge in a nearby Indianapolis hotel for a week after my Mother’s surgery for pancreatic cancer failed.

    She lived for two weeks after we were able to get her home to Evansville.

    AFAIK, the ACS doesn’t play politics like the SGK assholes apparently do.

    So I urge anyone who is looking for an alternative to Komen to consider donating to the ACS.

  89. 89.

    ice weasel

    Bond’s first gun wasn’t a PPK, the gun that was taken away from him in the Dr. No. His first gun was a Beretta, possibly a .25 calibre Beretta Bobcat. He was issued the PPK to replace it.

  93. 93.

    Adam in ATL

    Check the update… apparently the internets got this one wrong. Too bad, it was really quite hilarious

  94. 94.

    Cowbelle

    You might want to update this one, John — it turns out that the gun retailer lied and Komen didn’t partner with them at all.

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