Oh, no, Obamacare claims another victim:
“I probably could keep Chester Cab Pizza going for a while more. But when I see the mandates that businesses will be required to comply with by 2014, I figure those would be the mandates that would break the camel’s back. So why wait, my work is done. Why delay the inevitable?”
“There’s a perfect storm brewing, involving a number of factors. There are higher fuel and food costs (due to mid-west droughts and corn ethanol mandates), higher labor and health care requirements, and a hostile New York State business environment. With high unemployment and U.S. Labor salaries being stagnant, I did not feel we could push the prices to the customer any higher.”
“It just seems to be the right time to shut it down and say good-bye to my customers and employees and thank them.”
You’d think he was going out of business, but actually he sold the place to one of his managers, probably at a profit.
This guy is a serial Galtian douche – last year he replaced the front page of another restaurant he owned with a long rant about union thuggery. The real story was that he rehabbed a restaurant that was located in a special taxation district where property taxes were greatly reduced as long as you did all your work with “prevailing wage” contractors, which in practice turn out to be union. He didn’t want to pay those wages, so he hired his own contractors, and when the unions turned him in, he cried just like a little girl.
The protagonist in Atlas Shrugged was selling something nobody else had, a special metal that was the product of his ubermensch intellect and sweat of his brow. Papa John and this local douche are selling pizza. Anyone with enough money to rent an storefront, pay minimum wage teenagers and buy the cheapest rubbery cheese available can open a pizza place. Please, you whiny fucks, deprive us of your productivity. Maybe the type II diabetics in your neighborhood will stave off amputation for a few more years without your greasy pies.
Culture of Truth
WTF is it with pizza? Ok, I get it’s hard to make a food product and make profit selling it for $1. So it’s tough gig, easier to blame Obama.
You have a point about the pizza connection with assholery. Hmmm.
@Culture of Truth:
Seriously, what is it about making pizza that attracts the wingnuttiest of the wingnuts? Here in Mass. the biggest pizza chain is owned by a nutjob fucktard fascist too.
@Culture of Truth:
Business people hate capitalism, as they cannot handle competition without cheating. And the barrier to entry for pizza is so low that there is a lot of competition.
So he stops making pizza, and someone else comes into the neighborhood who will make pizza and has whatever limited success a local pizza place can have. Sounds like the free market to me…so what’s his problem?
“I’m going to open a restaurant in the tightest parking zone in the city, and bitch to the city about the lack of parking.”
You want parking, open a storefront in Marketplace Mall. What an asshole.
How did that pizzeria get past the ADA? It’s got a steep flight of stairs up to what looks like the only entrance.
Maybe it’s a delivery-only pizzeria? Grandfathered in as a really old business?
Pizzeras are one of the easiest restaurants to equip and open, and one of the most profitable. It’s quite hard to screw up a pizza and most of the ingredients cost very little (though cheese is getting more and more expensive these days, and pizza prices are rising accordingly). Plus, you get an almost guaranteed customer base unless there are already too many other pizza joints.
The stuff on that link would have tipped the political savvy diner off even before getting to the rant text – Sticky Lips BBQ? That’s as Southern Fried as you can get; just the front page of the menu screams “Republican jackass” to me.
I wouldn’t say EVERY restauranteur is like that, but I would be shocked if less then 99% of them weren’t also Republican douchewipes. They just don’t put their politics right on the front page of their menu. (Any Republican owned restaurant that did that in a place like where I live, Ann Arbor, would be out of business before the first rent check was due).
One of the unforeseen fringe benefits of Obamacare is apparently its ability to clear out the drek in our capitalist system.
@Baud: As has been often pointed out, wingnuts are obsessively driven to do the opposite of whatever Obama is advocating. The logical corollary to this, also often pointed out, is that Obama needs to embark on a national “don’t drink bleach or lick 3-phase power outlets” campaign.
Your comments about the resources needed to open a pizza parlor reminded me of an old Round Table Pizza commercial touting how some of their competitors used inferior ingredients (“Is the price of soy-based protein extender pushing your unit costs through the roof, Mr. Pizza Operator? Try our artificial soy extender…”)
More seriously, only in an Ayn Rand novel can someone invent something and start producing it in useful quantities – all by themselves. It’s a supply chain / team thing. Only in a Bugs Bunny cartoon can one über-rabbit play both pitcher and catcher simultaneously while also playing shortstop, first base, second base, third base, left field, center field, and right field.
Besides, a Galtian superman shouldn’t need any of those moocher employees – shouldn’t the brilliant pizza store owner be able to take the orders, assemble and bake the pizzas, bus the tables, wash the dishes, and still have plenty of time left to make the mozzarella, grow the mushrooms, onions, olives, raise the pigs and cows needed for the salami, pepperoni, Canadian bacon…
I guess Martha Stewart is the new John Galt…
Sticky Lips BBQ is fake Southern BBQ. Only non-natives eat at that crap chain.
The Ancient Randonneur
For the hundredth time, I have two young daughters and they don’t whine and cry nearly as much as some of the boys around here. This guy cried a like big punk-ass white boy. Girls have nothing to do with this. Little boys cry, and obviously grown men whine like little kids.
Here’s an update on my fish skeleton project. The black and white is a professional job the color is mine as of this morning.
Back in the day when I handled a lot of divorce and property division cases, I got to learn a lot more about the pizza business than I thought I would…yes, it does seem to attract a lot of douche-bags, and furthermore, the profit per pie is AMAZING.
Ayn Rand’s brilliant inventor has as little to do with the 1% of the real world as Indiana Jones does with real archaeology. In real life, that special metal would have been invented by a college professor and his gaggle of grad student interns working with government grants, and the Job Creating Superhero’s only involvement would have been to swoop in once everything had been worked out and start selling it, with little to no profit going to the actual inventors.
@Walker: Oh, I never said it was a real Southern BBQ. I’ve had real Southern BBQ and it is the bee’s knees. It’s just the sort of name, style and logo that a Republican idiot would put out as a dog whistle. Loud and proud and fake as the food.
(The last really good BBQ I had didn’t have a menu at all – just a chalkboard with the the info on it. But whoa, was it ever good).
Fat, salt, and, yes, sugar (in the tomato sauce, so the Diet Coke is irrelevant). Also gluten and lactose for the special-needs crowd. What’s not to like?
So he was willing to push his employee health care costs on the public system and other, larger, better employers but now that is more difficult so ge’s getting out?
Good. If he couldn’t compete without a public-private subsidy he should get out and let someone else in.
Health care isn’t free. Pretending some people don’t need it doesn’t make it true.
God, I love a good mistermix rant.
As others have pointed out, it’s one of the easiest kind of restaurants to open. So, no surprise that it should appeal to lazy fucks who scream oppression and “it’s all someone else’s fault” the first time they hit a snag.
Snarky, but that’s probably true. As Kay discussed in comment 19.
We be subsidizing some maroons.
All this talk of pizza brings back memories of BoB.
Evolving Deep Southerner
@raven: I missed something, dawg. What’s the “fish skeleton project?”
Restaurants are a Galtian paradise because the wingnut advantages are (pun alert!) baked in.
Low wage employees, ingredients that can hide their humble origins with breading and sauces, a work environment that is both high pressure and tolerant of Narcissistic asshats, plus lots of cash to skim.
Not to mention the way they can sweep into the establishment wrapped in the aura of The Owner. This lets a jerk buy friends with comped drinks and meals. This lets a sadist bully their employees, who are one paycheck away from eviction. They get to put their name above the door, all over the menu, and even name dishes after themselves.
Now add in franchising, where they don’t even have to be particularly good at it… and it’s no wonder they infest that culture like weevils in hardtack.
Love the headline of the second link:
@Evolving Deep Southerner: I caught this big hawg redfish this fall and am skeletonzing the head.
Culture of Truth
He should’ve called Gordon Ramsey.
As a Cardinal there are certain things the Church will accept but calling someone a douche or a whiny fuck is not allowable. Repent and atone for your sins.
Gin & Tonic
@WereBear: I must go to completely different places. I frequent small restaurants, where the chef/owner pays his people seemingly well, as they are happy and stay there for a long time, and where they pride themselves on using quality, local ingredients, very often listed by producer of origin (local farmers/fishermen, etc.) You can run a good and profitable restaurant without being an asshat.
It may cost me a little more, but I get to feel good about it, and probably won’t get diabetes.
@The Ancient Randonneur:
Thank you. Casual sexism is so annoying and so hard to counter act.
Ted & Hellen
@The Ancient Randonneur:
Having two daughters myself, now young women, I heartily concur and find this expression, currently in vogue even with ersatz male libs, nakedly sexist.
It’s like musical chairs. For 30 years low wage employers have been jamming their ass onto a chair someone else is sitting on, and paying for. The chair is labeled “uncompensated care” or “Medicaid” or “another employer”, and there’s a price on each chair. We’re all pretending low wage employers found a chair.
The PPACA says “here’s your chair. It costs 2000 dollars. Sit THERE or you’re out”.
The pizza shop entrepreneur has assured himself that he is a businessman of substance, and applies his variety of nearly kitchen table microeconomics to everything in the world around him. Thus, he becomes the economist who has all answers to baseline budgeting, the deficit, macroeconomics, etc. Further, he knows everything about human resources from his experience with the motivations and work ethic of his handful of part-time minimum wage employees. In the realm of regulatory policy, he knows how upset he was when the health department gave him a C, and when ABC cited him for selling beer to that table full of cute 19year old girls he was talking to. On tax policy, he was totes pissed off when the state drilled him for failing to remit sales taxes in order to take advantage of a great deal on a lake boat. On social issues, he knows that his 7 tables are really for the neighborhood folks, and doesn’t want to be told that he has to accommodate, you know, those people.
It is a natural wingnut constituency.
Ted & Hellen
Also too, I disagree that pizza is difficult to fuck up. On the contrary, the world is full of shitty pizza parlors and chains. I’d say good pizza is rare.
However, here in Jamaica Plain, Mass. you really should try out JP House of Pizza. Really exceptional pizza, every time we order it, delivered hot and delicious.
Don’t know anything about their health insurance issues, however.
@dr. bloor: His business couldn’t survive without a parking subsidy? Sounds like capitalism at work to me.
Ted & Hellen
Question to Bots: So when these health services mandates hit next year, requiring insurers to cover all these services they now don’t, are they also free to jack up rates as high as they wish to compensate?
Truly asking; don’t know.
@raven: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Villago Delenda Est
These assholes HATE the free market. They have to work to succeed, and they don’t want to work. They want the rewards without having to earn them.
@Kay: Perfect analogy.
You cannot get decent ‘cue at a chain restaurant. Period.
@Ted & Hellen: Starting last year, insurance companies have to spend a certain amount on care or give rebates at the end of the year. I’m not sure what percentage though.
@Gin & Tonic: Oh, I go to those same sort of restaurants for me and my friends!
Because I know of the other kind :)
@Baud: That’s beautiful.
Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Cardinal mistermix
On the “cries just like a little girl” thing, I meant to refer to the Dylan song but it was early in the AM so I screwed it up. It should be “breaks just like a little girl”. Is that better? Probably not.
@The Ancient Randonneur: So glad I’m not the first one to clear my throat at this. But it did wrankle. Rankle? So I thought to myself I thought, hm, what would be a better term? Substitute little girl for ‘little wanker’ and I think you’ve got a winner.
Up in the Quebec province there’s a new Omaf Sherif in town and her name is Pauline Marois who wants separation from Canada. The language police are out in force. There’s a decent if not good reason for this. But of course things get can get ridiculous, like when they fined an Italian restaurant for using “pasta” on the french menu for pasta.
All I’m saying is, we don’t want to be the language police. But sometimes what people say about me and my kind makes me want to cry out. Like a little wanker.
local papajohns franchise owner = useless republican jerkass (couldnt figure out how to print out OR email a flyer!!) so an other data point
@Ted & Hellen: When I lived in JP I loved Friendly Pizza on the corner of Centre and … Boylston (I think). Loved their sauce. Is the JP House of Pizza located down near the monument where Gadgets Kitchen store usedta be? I’m trying to picture it and am using an ancient computer on loan. Can’t play scrabble on it so think doing a google map will cause sparks to fly.
Ted & Hellen
Sorry, I don’t know where Gadgets used to be. I’ve lived here four and a half years.
JP House of Pizza is a couple of store fronts down from the Tedeschi store which is on the corner across from the monument.
It really is exceptional and consistent.
Back off, Dude! This guy has every right to be pissed! Have you seen the subsidies our government gives to oil companies and agri-business? Hell, the government threw billions of dollars at the huge failing banks to keep them afloat. But pizza chains? Do you see any huge subsidies for them? Hell, no! They must sink or swim on their own.
Surely you must understand how frustrating this is for billionaires who had to screw their employees as their only path to riches.
Davis X. Machina
It might just be pizza.
The Demise Of Upper Crust Pizza
@Davis X. Machina:
God almighty. I love this new definition of a “business”. To stay “in business” they can’t pay employees.
We hit a snag in our for-profit business model. If we pay for labor, we have to file for bankruptcy protection.
Davis X. Machina
@Kay: They have jobs. Isn’t that enough? Now they need wages?
@Ted & Hellen:
Dude, please! Don’t start: the last BJ pizza thread I remember ran to about 500+ comments about the “best pizza” – with no two reccs being the same, Won’t you think of the bandwidth???
soonergrunt (nexus 7)
@ArchTeryx: there’s a BBQ place here in OKC where there is no menu. Just a sign that says “I felt like making x today. Enjoy.”
You might get pulled pork and sausages, you might get brisket and bologna, depending entirely on what mood the proprietor is in.
@Davis X. Machina:
The NY attorney general is bringing all these wage lawsuits, and I love the language.
Legal language is so often unsatisfying, but these are called “wage theft” actions. Descriptive. No “both sides” hedging there.
A clear, bright line between “profits” and “ill-gotten gains from THEFT”. Apparently, we need that! People are confused.
@JPL: I don’t know how it’s going to come out. This eBook provided inspiration and a sense that it wasn’t all eeewwwww, gross and shit.
And thus spaketh Cardinal mistermix, Kicker of Ass and Prefect of the Perfect Mozzarella.
Fucking liberals and their anti slavery amendments.
Not that Lincoln wasn’t the founder of our party whose legacy we totally claim, of course.
@Ted & Hellen: Yeah I’ve eaten there when I helped out my friend who owned Gadgets – same block. You’re right, their pizza is really good.
Friend moved Gadgets next to the Centre Street cafe, and then sold it. The new name of the kitchen store is now Kitchen Witch.
Never fond of Same Old Place pizza, though.
The Masters of the Universe have long since embraced the lie that they alone are economically irreplaceable. It simultaneously issues and justifies their warped sense of entitlement.
Except no one is irreplaceable.
If the Carried Interest deduction were eliminated tomorrow and Stephen Schwarzman, the CEO of private equity firm Blackstone Group who compared such a move to the Nazi’s invading Poland, decided that it was no longer “sexy” enough a proposition to run a private equity firm and that he was better off retiring to a Caribbean beach to be doted upon by scantily-clad women, the impact of that decision would be limited to two kinds of people:
The first is Christine Hearst, Schwarzman’s wife, who would might object to the bit about the scantily-clad women.
The second are all the senior managers at Blackstone Group, who would crawl over each other with long knives to take Schwarzman’s place at the top of the pile. Would they make less money than Schwarzman? Sure. But they’d still be making more than they did, and would continue to lack the skill set needed for virtually any other kind of work that offered similarly high returns.
Frankly, this is a huge positive for the Park Ave area. For me, Chester Cab has always served terrible pizza at excessive prices. I’m very happy to see it go, or at least I should say that I hope that the new ownership produces a better product.
If I am the guy buying this place, especially if I am getting the name and phone number, I have a law suit filed against this guy first thing Monday morning.
has anyone else notice that papa johns has ramped up advertising a lot since he outed himself as scrooge?
on MSNBC even?
wonder if the stores have noticed a lack of customers
All press is good press, right?
It’s nice to see some of the people commenting in the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle aren’t buying it.
Oh, lookie, they have a facebook page.
@db: ITA–Chester Cab is terrible pizza. Awful. The only nice thing about the whole place were the sparrows who seemed to love the crust.
Yep, if every fortune 500 CEO were to up and leave tomorrow, life would continue just fine. In fact, it might even do us good to clear the self-perpetuating deadwood at the top of the system and get a huge rush of new blood.
We have no shortage of brilliant people in this country.
What is it about these pizza “magnates” that makes them such uber-Galtians? The same applies to many chain restaurant owners who act like they’re entrepreneurial geniuses besieged by small thinking people who just want to get paid a living wage.
I think the moniker “cheap labor capitalists” applies to these douchenozzles. They think the economy is just a large-scale business that needs to be run like a chain restaurant. They don’t understand, or care, how their lousy treatment of employees to improve their own economies actually damages the larger economy.
I see that Todd (comment 34) did a much nicer job stating what I tried to state in my comment 68. Damn you Todd for being coherent and interesting in your writing.
pseudonymous in nc
Well, it’s good to know when a pizza place is stiffing its workers so that they’ll probably show up when they’re sick because they can’t afford not to.
Hmmmm……wonder if there’s a connection somewhere?
@The Ancient Randonneur: THIS. I am so tired of this kind of gender stereotyping.
If your business can’t handle this, you were probably terrible at business to begin with.
Capitalism folks. You fvckers can either sink or swim.
@The Ancient Randonneur: “This guy cried a like big punk-ass white boy” Totally.
Nobody whines like somebody that has never had to stare down the business end of the kyriarchy.
IOW, there’s no WATB like a straight white cis-male WATB.
And fvck anyone that tells me misandry or racism against white people is “a thing”, cuz it’s not. When someone is discriminated against solely for the fact that they are a white cis male , I’ll be sure to let you know – you fvckers.
As a Chicagoan who attended school in Rochester, I liked Chester Cab’s take on deep dish, even after I found out the guy just stole the recipe from Giordano’s.
Considering his business model, I find his hypocrisy unbearable.
It’s amazing how many people love to preach at you that it’s a tough world, sink or swim, the fittest survive and those who aren’t don’t deserve to… and then, when “those who aren’t” turns out to include them, go into meltdown and start looking for anyone, ANYONE to blame other than their own problems.
@Ted & Hellen: it figures that T&H likes Greek pizza, which is as indigestible and processed and fake as his politics.
Kathy in St. Louis
Perhaps he could have just shortened his “retirement announcement” to read, “I’m clossing shop because they won’t let me exploit my workers, for whom I have little respect, as much as I’d like to.
Kathy in St. Louis
Perhaps he could have just shortened his “retirement announcement” to read, “I’m closing shop because they won’t let me exploit my workers, for whom I have little respect, as much as I’d like to.”
What does cis-male mean? It’s not in my dictionary.
@Rosie Outlook: Genetically male, and identifies as male (first approximation). Cis- is the reverse of trans-, as is Cisalpine and Transalpine Gaul.
Unfortunately, you also have a combination of:
1. Customers who are extremely price sensitive (“can you believe it, they’re charging $1.50 more for a large!”), and,
2. Terrible labor standards enforcement.
Between these, screwing the workers becomes a rational, if immoral, business strategy.
Good post, but what is it with the nasty comments about Type 2 diabetes and amputations at the end? I’m guessing you don’t have it, as that’s an incredibly insensitive comment – as if those who have diabetes get it from eating pizza … some do, for some overweight is a contributor, but others just have bad genes and the disease gets them in time … for me, you’re an asshole for adding that nasty jibe at the end. At the very least, you show your ignorance.
mistermix, you are an ace writer and funny in a way that I seriously need to read in order to carry on, keep calm, all that sort of thing. So I will continue to read no matter what. But re: the use of “douche” and its variants: that is misogynistic. As a test, substiute “enema” for “douche”. If it doesn’t work with the former, I can assure you that the latter is offending many people in a similar way. Fortunately, you’re so good that most of us offended people overlook it. But please, think of the children. Also “little girls”. Same thing.
@Chris: innit, tho?
Prepare for huge helping of “but this is *different*!” when pointed out to them.
Burn it all. I’m tired of paying for corporate welfare anyway. Not just whiny sh1tbags who can barely run a small business – who even I can feel for sometimes, but those fvcking T-Bone eating young bucks with their Cadillac bonuses living it up on Wall Street.
@Chris: Capitalism is a great thing, until it happens to you.
@Rosie Outlook: “cis”, in the context which I used it, means that your physical sex and your gender identity are congruent.
Most people are cis. A small minority of people are trans.
IOW, Cis basically means *not* transgendered.
So in my post above, where I was calling a subset of men WATBs, I was specifically excluding trans men (including Female To Male Transsexuals) from that assessment.
@Mister Harvest: “Genetically male”
I’m going to go all PC you on you.”Genetic male” isn’t quite right, and some people could even find it offensive, as people that are trans are “genetically trans” and someone FAAB but trans consider themselves male from the beginning – so….
I know you mean well, and the terminology sucks, is overly confusing and even evolving, so don’t take this as criticism. It’s more of an FYI, from a trans person with nothing better to do than explain it. =)
Jaysus, you must get splinters from one bite of that pizza with all the wood that guy has borrowed to get his cross up in time for Easter. What a jackass…
@danah gaz: Like I said, “first approximation.”
Anyway, if you want to rumble ( :) ), “physical sex” can be pretty dicey too. If an XXY considers themselves male, are they cis?
And, with deep love and respect and kindness to the trans community, I’ve come to accept that any definitions offered of cis- or trans- will offend *someone*. :)
@Mister Harvest: Yes, someone is always offended. If there’s literally no way to show tolerance for a group of people that they won’t take offense at, why bother? Frankly, I don’t think this community is ready to be accepted. They’re like the hipsters of minorities.
@Mister Harvest: Yes, someone is always offended. If there’s literally no way to show tolerance for a group of people that they won’t take offense at, why bother? They’re like the hipsters of minorities.
@Chris: And there were undoubtedly smug jackasses like T&H at the time saying, “I wonder if you Abolitionists have figured out that ending slavery is going to raise prices? Are you okay with that? Huh?”
Of course, T%H’s glib straw man assault is even dumber than that. Because we already pay for health care costs of the uninsured. Hell, it was McCain’s “access to health care” plan: emergency rooms paid for with Hill-Burton funds.
Gosh, I wonder if T&H have figured out that Hill-Burton gets its money from their tax dollars.
And, of course, T&H isn’t really advocating one way or another; just posing a stupid question to their cartoon-character fantasy image of a “Bot”. Oh, gee, things have to be paid for. Now I have to re-think everything. Wow, thanks T&H. I always wondered about that.
@Chris: You are so, so, so FU*Kin’ right. I wish I had something more intelligent to say, but this just pisses me off so much.
I’ve been to the Sticky Lips in Henrietta (which is the one this thread is about). I thought it was awful. Service was slow and the meat was way too salty. Never been to Chester Cab, so I guess I’m not missing much.
If you like barbecue and are in the Rochester area, try the Dinosaur Barbecue which is downtown. I like the atmosphere there too.
@Ryan C: “You know what, I’m going to take hormones, have surgery, lose ‘friends’ and ‘family’, increase my risk of homelessness, joblessness, physical and sexual violence, and spend thousands of hours and dollars navigating a hostile medical bureacracy; because that way I’ll be able to finally be able to be the most hip minority ever. Oh, and as a nice side bonus, maybe I’ll get raped or murdered ‘cuz that will make me so much cooler.”
— Said no trans woman ever
DIAF, arsehole. Nobody asked for your opinion, and considering what you spewed when unprompted, there’s probably a good reason for that. So you just continue calling us “shemales” or “trannies” or whatever floats your boat, and us trans women will just take it as a reminder of why the phrase “Die Cis Scum” was invented.
If you like barbecue and are in the Rochester area, try the Dinosaur Barbecue which is downtown. I like the atmosphere there too.
And their beer selection is orders of magnitude better (at least it was last time I was there)
If I remember my Atlas Shrugged correctly, Galt himself invented a perpetual motion machine.