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Open Thread: Stay Classy, Senator Grassley!

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Dave Weigel at Slate reports:

Today’s extended hearing on the immigration bill is about as crowded as you’d expect….

The robust media presence came in handy when Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy picked up a theme of the last 96 hours, asking that anyone with thoughts about Boston’s bombing and its possible relevance to immigration should keep them to himself.

“Let no one be so cruel as to try to use the heinous acts of two young men last week to derail the dreams and futures of millions of hardworking people,” said Leahy. “A nation as strong as ours can welcome the oppressed and persecuted without making compromises on our security.”

One of those cruel people was, of course, Judiciary Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley.

“I want you to take note of the fact that when you proposed gun legislation, I didn’t accuse you of taking advantage of the Norristown (sic) situation as an excuse,” snapped Grassley when he got his chance to respond….

Surprise, surprise:

A source with a long memory—by D.C. standards, that is “a memory that goes back more than 30 days”—had some qualms with Sen. Chuck Grassley’s tut-tutting at the start of today’s immigration hearing. “When you proposed gun legislation, we did not accuse you of using the [Newtown] killings as an excuse,” Grassley had said.

But he really did accuse Democrats of using Newtown as a launchpad for gun legislation. “Although Newtown and Tucson are terrible tragedies,” he said on Jan. 30, “the deaths in Newtown should not be used to put forward every gun control measure that has been floating around for years. The problem is greater than guns alone.”

Grassley was following the path of Sen. Ted Cruz; the two of them would end up co-sponsoring a “compromise” gun amendment that was introduced as part of the long, successful stop-gun-control fight. “What I don’t think is constructive is what the president is doing right now,” said Cruz on Jan. 20. “Within minutes of that horrible tragedy in Newtown, the president began trying to exploit that tragedy to push a gun control agenda that is designed to appeal to partisans.”…

Bonus Rand Paul video at the link, if you’re trying to stay on your diet. IOKIYAR!

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118Comments

  2. 2.

    Jerzy Russian

    Can’t someone kick Grassley in the junk? Is there a company that provides this service?

  3. 3.

    BGinCHI

    If Republicans weren’t “exploiting” something (gosh, what could it be?) we wouldn’t have the largest and most expensive military the world has ever known.

  4. 4.

    c u n d gulag

    Must be a slow news day.

    Otherwise, ‘stupid and ignorant old Republican hypocrite, acting like a stupid and ignorant old Republican hypocrite,’ wouldn’t warrant a post until later on in the day.

  6. 6.

    schrodinger's cat

    Senate Republicans like Grassley will use the Boston incident to jettison immigration reform. They have always wanted to do that, now they have a convenient excuse. Let the immigrant bashing begin.

  9. 9.

    Mnemosyne

    @Chris:

    Because passing laws against guns is exactly like passing laws against people.

    In Republicanworld, passing laws against guns is worse than passing laws against people, because property is more important than people.

  10. 10.

    Linda Featheringill

    As a group, the Republicans were going to kill immigration reform anyway and wouldn’t vote any differently if the Marathon Bombing had not happened.

    The world is full of crappy people. And generously peppered with kind and helpful people.

  14. 14.

    kindness

    The Republican plan to win back the government goes on. What is that plan? Well, the very same one they’ve been using since President Obama was sworn in as president. They are refusing to allow government to function. In any capacity. For them it is bonus points if they can blame that lack of functionality on Democrats which is exactly what we have seen for the last 4-5 years.

    What a shock!

  15. 15.

    FlipYrWhig

    Amazingly, IIRC, Grassley used to be considered one of the middle-of-the-road Republicans who cared about governing, more Alan Simpson or Orrin Hatch than James Inhofe or Jim Bunning (all of whom suck ideologically and temperamentally, but at least the former thought he was elected to do a job, not just to be a dick). It’s a great regret of mine that Grassley wasn’t made persona non grata after as much as he did to torpedo the health care bill. Iowa _made_ Obama, and progressives in Iowa couldn’t throw this bastard out on his ass? Bah.

  18. 18.

    Michele C

    @Mnemosyne: Especially if those people are not actually people in Republican brains, i.e., you only count if you are American White Male Straight Christian (and I’m probably forgetting some other way of limiting rights).

  19. 19.

    Donald G

    Before Louis Gohmert and Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann came to prominence in the House, I used to consider Chuck Grassley the stupidest legislator in Washington. Now “Ol’ Fartface” is just the stupidest legislator in the Senate. “Norristown”, really?

    Does history hold any record of Grassley being on the correct side of any issue in his 32 years in the Senate?

  20. 20.

    The Dangerman

    @Jerzy Russian:

    Is there a company that provides this service?

    I suspect we can hire an epileptic hooker to give him a blowjob and hope for the best (worst?). Is that service close enough to the original request?

  21. 21.

    Cacti

    Rand Paul bows to the bigots and says immigration bill needs to be slowed.

    I never could have seen that one coming a mile away.

  22. 22.

    Violet

    Grassley was following the path of Sen. Ted Cruz;

    See how the wind blows. Look who’s the new leader of the GOP in the Senate.

  24. 24.

    Suffern ACE

    @Linda Featheringill: No. But they now can blame the Muslims when they throw the Hispanics under the bus. At least more credibly than when they claimed that the Mexicans were allowing al Qaeda in from their stronghold in Venezuela.

  25. 25.

    BGinCHI

    @Cacti: Hmm, I thought he was trying to limit the scope of government by widening the scope of government.

    No?

  27. 27.

    gene108

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    As it stands, I don’t think jettisoning immigration reform would be a bad thing.

    Right now Obama & Co. are doing everything they possibly can to make life hard for legal immigrants in the hopes that it’d impress the knuckle-draggers on the Right to allow immigration reform to pass and thus enable Democrats to lock-up the Latino vote forever and ever.

    In short, whatever benefits illegal Latinos are getting is being done by making immigration harder for legal immigrants.

    It’s not a good bill.

    It needs to die its own death.

  28. 28.

    max

    @schrodinger’s cat: Senate Republicans like Grassley will use the Boston incident to jettison immigration reform. They have always wanted to do that, now they have a convenient excuse.

    He would have anyways. This gives him a hook for working the gullible. And the calculating.

    That said, what he said back when:

    the deaths in Newtown should not be used to put forward every gun control measure that has been floating around for years.

    Which is more or less what happened – they reached back in the files for stuff they’d wanted for years. Of course, his asking Dems to be ‘reasonable’ and not use it as a political argument when he would never do any such thing par for the usual dishonesty of the Senate.

    The problem is greater than guns alone.

    Mostly, it’s guys with guns. Sometimes it’s guys with bombs. If you’re looking for root cause, well, there was a big round of shootings and bombings in the aftermath of the S&L bust, and an even bigger (spontaneous – unorganized) wave during this exciting economic episode.

    We had a an AQ problem, but we also have had a problem of younger men with no jobs and no money looking to make their names real quicklike.

    max
    [‘Unhappy with all the happy people? Get on the austerity bandwagon and help fuck things all up!’]

  29. 29.

    Cacti

    @gene108:

    As it stands, I don’t think jettisoning immigration reform would be a bad thing.

    Kill the bill and wait for something better.

    Now where have I heard this before?

  30. 30.

    catclub

    @Suffern ACE: Of course, the funny part is that the GOP bosses want some kind of immigration bill in hopes of NOT losing the Latino vote forever. The rest of the party is having none of it.

  31. 31.

    The Other Chuck

    It would seem to me that the best hope for immigration reform is to never ever ever vote for a Republican. Ever. Seems to me we can get fucked by bipartisanship or we can wait for the GOP to do to their electoral chances in places like Texas what prop 187 did with California, and then maybe we’ll get some real reform to happen.

    I’m not advocating the Nader-esque “make it worse so it gets better”, just advocating that we perhaps shouldn’t interrupt Republicans while they’re committing demographic suicide.

  32. 32.

    Citizen_X

    Bonus Rand Paul video

    You seem to be using some meaning of the word “bonus” with which I am unfamiliar.

  33. 33.

    ruemara

    these donuts came out tasty, but more like a light biscuit with tasty cream. However, I think working on this month’s recipes probably mean I have to be very strict and over exercise for a bit.

  34. 34.

    gene108

    @Cacti:

    I like Obama, but his handling of immigration and public education leave a lot to be desired.

    I know folks on employment based visas, who’ve had to abandon everything, despite not violating the law. The Obama administration introduced some gray areas into the law that weren’t there before regarding subcontracting firms having people on work visas and if that actually constituted on employer-employee relationship.

    The immediate result is stuff like a family pulling their kid out of second grade in mid-year and moving back to their country of origin to start looking for a job all over again.

    The long-term impact is going to be to limit the already tough lack of mobility on employees with work visas, which U.S. workers feel creates an anti-competitive environment for them.

    Also increasing the log-jam for employment based Green Cards, from India and China, whose citizens make up the majority of employment based visas only compounds the lack of mobility U.S. workers complain about as being anti-competitive for them.

    While he’s trying to get the Latinos to vote Democratic by making their illegals legal, he’s pissing on currently legal immigrants to do so and not doing any favors to U.S. workers in the process.

  35. 35.

    Citizen_X

    @gene108:

    Right now Obama & Co. are doing everything they possibly can to make life hard for legal immigrants

    Er, link, pls? Because I was pretty sure the immigration process sucked for legal immigrants already.

  38. 38.

    Suffern ACE

    @Kay: Also, need to ask what a rational and fair system would look like. I know it doesn’t look like the current state. But what would it look like?

  42. 42.

    DankNuggets_420weed_guy

    @Cacti: as a socially conservitive/fiscally conservative Libertarian Rand Paul supporter, I take offense that you would say teh senator is a racist, just because he disagrees with you.

    But I guess that is what happens when the Obama economy is so bad. You hav to insult. You have to Distract from the real issues:

    Ten years ago we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash these days we have no jobs, no hope and no cash.

  45. 45.

    schrodinger's cat

    @gene108: I need to read the bill before I come to that decision. Can you give me some examples that prove your point?
    The outsourcing body shops by and large deserve all the scrutiny and the negative blow back they are getting in my honest opinion.
    Your definition of a legal immigrant is not USCIS definition, by their definition a permanent resident is a legal immigrant not someone on a temporary work visa.

  47. 47.

    Roger Moore

    @The Other Chuck:

    It would seem to me that the best hope for immigration reform is to never ever ever vote for a Republican. Ever. Seems to me we can get fucked by bipartisanship or we can wait for the GOP to do to their electoral chances in places like Texas what prop 187 did with California, and then maybe we’ll get some real reform to happen.

    I’m not sure that it’s necessarily an either/or. I suspect the best case scenario for Democrats is for immigration reform to pass with enough Republican support to get it through Congress but not enough that the Republican Party can throw off its anti-immigrant reputation. In that case, the Democrats can win on demographics without having to share much credit for passing the bill. IMO, it’s the Republicans’ nightmare scenario, and it’s one they have a real chance of bumbling into if they maintain their current disagreement on tactics. The Republicans might even score a trifecta by alienating their nativist base in the process.

  48. 48.

    Kay

    @Suffern ACE:

    Yeah, I just wondered, because the Kennedy effort, as I understood it, really was a bad deal.
    He sacrificed an awful lot to “save” the 12 million here.
    I wondered if people were using that as a kind of “bad baseline”because it probably IS good the Kennedy-Bush effort failed.

  54. 54.

    Petorado

    @DankNuggets_420weed_guy:

    I believe the lyric goes:

    Now they sound tired but they don’t sound Haggard
    They got money but they don’t have Cash
    They got Junior but they don’t have Hank
    I think, I think, I think the rest is …a long time gone

  59. 59.

    Mustang Bobby

    Mr. Grassley reminds me of one of the more understated stage directions in Lanford Wilson’s Fifth of July:

    KEN (overreacting): I did NOT overreact!

    Busted, Chuck.

  60. 60.

    Bobby Thomson

    @DankNuggets_420weed_guy: No,we say that Rand Paul and his dad are racists because they are. If we were going to make unfair ad hominem attacks, we’d bring up your carnal relations with your sister. And seriously, lame ass riffs on celebrity names from the 2012 campaign? You lost. Just like the war your great grandfather lost.

  61. 61.

    Tonal Crow

    Once again Lindsay, where did the Boston bombers get their guns, ammo, and bombs? Maybe through the gun-show and private-sale loopholes?

  62. 62.

    Kay

    I love how lunatic Cruz has figured out the magic word, the ultimate insult…PARTISAN.

    Take THAT, Democrats. You’re PARTISAN with your…background checks.

  68. 68.

    Hill Dweller

    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has been given his Miranda warning. It was read to him by the magistrate.

  70. 70.

    scav

    OT but very useful Aldi own-label Oliver Cromwell London Dry Gin beats more expensive rivals in blind taste test

    Supermarket’s £9.65 gin wins silver medal at International Spirits Challenge, scoring higher than Bombay Sapphire and Hendricks
    . . .
    Several other products in Aldi’s spirits range were also highly decorated, with two of its vodkas picking up silver awards and its amaretto, white rum and peach schnapps taking bronze awards in the liqueurs category.

  71. 71.

    lamh35

    Joe Walsh Calls For Profiling ‘Young Muslim Men’

    Now ask yourself, how exactly do you profile “young Muslim men”? Answer: Any male person of color who “looks Muslim” will be stopped. Now ask yourself,how exactly does a “young Muslim man” look? Do you just stand outside Muslim places of worship and harass them all. Does the Nation of Islam followers count as “young Muslim men”

  73. 73.

    The Moar You Know

    Does the Nation of Islam followers count as “young Muslim men”

    They’re black. They’re “Double Muslim” and get sent to “Double Gitmo”.

  74. 74.

    Gin & Tonic

    @DankNuggets_420weed_guy:

    Ten years ago we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash these days we have no jobs, no hope and no cash.

    Did you make that up all by yourself? You could make it even funnier by adding “Lord, please keep Kevin Bacon safe!”

  75. 75.

    The Moar You Know

    @lamh35: My father, who’s pretty liberal for a Republican (bitches all the time about how it’s not his party anymore and then turns around and votes for them religiously) was all excited that “they’re going to have to institute profiling now. THEY’LL HAVE TO!” and then I pointed out the latest two clowns were whiter than me, no beards, dressed like American kids, and how the fuck were you going to profile that?

    I hope I didn’t cause him lasting harm, but he was pretty deflated when that sunk in.

  76. 76.

    CaseyL

    In case anyone’s interested, the NYT has posted a transcript of a court hearing that took place at Tsarnaev’s hospital bed. The judge noted, with some emphasis, that he had the right to not respond to any questions, and also that anything he said could be used in evidence against him.

  77. 77.

    Amir Khalid

    @lamh35:

    Do you just stand outside Muslim places of worship and harass them all.

    I think this is pretty much what Joe Walsh is proposing. Especially the harass-them-all part.

  80. 80.

    gene108

    Good summary of the problem:

    Link

    Of note, you were approved for a visa and are doing the exact same thing at the exact same place. USCIS may deny the extension of your visa because you are a subcontractor and they feel you don’t meet the rigid criteria of the new interpretations of the law.

    You haven’t violated the law, but that doesn’t mean you can continue to work in the U.S., if one immigration official is having a bad day and denies your petition.

    Your co-worker in the next cubicle doing the exact same thing gets his petition extended because the immigration official reviewing his case had a good day.

    wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2013/apr/22/proposed-changes-h-1b-visa-leave-some-unsatisfeid/

    In short, Obama’s cut the nuts off of employment opportunities for H1-b workers, by making it harder to sponsor visas and what category of companies can sponsor visas.

    By increasing the number of H1-b visas, you’ll end up with only large firms sponsoring H1-b visas and with fewer companies being able to or willing to hire disgruntled H1-b visa holders, who want to change jobs, you’re only exasperating the problem of a lack of mobility for H1-b visa holders.

    The only bright spot in the Senate bill is the lifting of the country limits on Green Cards, so the backlog for India and China will be reduced or eliminated.

  81. 81.

    Roger Moore

    @lamh35:

    Now ask yourself, how exactly do you profile “young Muslim men”?

    I think it’s even simpler than you make it out to be. Saying that we should profile young Muslim men basically gives cops a right to hassle any young many they feel like; they just have to say they thought he was Muslim. Unless he’s dressed in some highly distinctive clothing from some other religious sect, who’s to say they aren’t Muslim until they’ve been harassed questioned?

  83. 83.

    lamh35

    Video of day RT @whitehouse: POTUS checks out Vator Space Elevator at the WHsci fair https://
    vine.co/v/bPZtKjjO0qu

  84. 84.

    Trollhattan

    Union Thugs stepping up.

    The God-Hates-Everyone (‘Cept For Me And My Monkey) crowd from Westboro Baptist Church announced on Twitter that it planned to picket the funerals of the Boston Marathon bombing victims this week, so members of Teamsters Local 25 sent out a call for any available members to shield today’s services for Krystle Campbell in Medford, Massachusetts. Basic human decency won out: the Boston Globe reports that hundreds of counter-protesters gathered across the street from the church where the memorial for Campbell was held, but that the Westboro protesters never showed up at all.

    wonkette.com/513374/your-monday-nice-time-teamster-thugs-block-westboro-idjits-from-victim%e2%80%99s…

    Methinks WBC had better not show their mugs in Boston, now or ever.

  85. 85.

    Schlemizel

    @DankNuggets_420weed_guy:

    See, this is the kind of shit that gets excreted here from all that attention JC got on Reddit.

    Dank nuggets is right, I scoop those dank nuggets out of the cat box every day. And the weed is probably pushing its way up through the cracks in what passes in your species for a brain.

    Set to pie

  86. 86.

    Roger Moore

    @Trollhattan:

    Methinks WBC had better not show their mugs in Boston, now or ever.

    Or what? The whole point of the place is to be a lawsuit factory. They say things so outrageously hurtful that people attack them, then they sue for assault. The best response is to ignore them; second best is to mock them. Anything else just plays into their hands.

  87. 87.

    Schlemizel

    @Amir Khalid:

    Joe doesn’t want to deport them, he wants them to ‘self-deport’, even those who were born here. Its a fine old Republican tradition. After all this is a Christian nation and all those filthy ‘others’ (Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, Atheists, eventually Mormons and Catholics) need to get out & leave it to us white men

  88. 88.

    lamh35

    Man, I’m just looking at the pics and footage from the White House Science Fair today, and realizing that all though I was a science buff as a child/teen, I had nothing on this kids.

    Shit, my first science fair project was the wussy one on photosynthesis, that would probably not even garner an honorable mention in today’s science fairs.

    Jeez.

    More video from White House Science Fair

    President Obama tries the bicycle-powered emergency water-sanitation station, created by high schoolers Payton Karr and Kiona Elliot from Oakland Park, Florida
    youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UIcHdDI_MGk

  91. 91.

    Cacti

    @The Moar You Know:

    My father, who’s pretty liberal for a Republican (bitches all the time about how it’s not his party anymore and then turns around and votes for them religiously) was all excited that “they’re going to have to institute profiling now. THEY’LL HAVE TO!” and then I pointed out the latest two clowns were whiter than me, no beards, dressed like American kids, and how the fuck were you going to profile that?

    Yup.

    The reason those two were able to mingle with the crowd and attract zero suspicion was because they looked like any old pair of white, college-aged bros.

  95. 95.

    Cacti

    @Roger Moore:

    Or what? The whole point of the place is to be a lawsuit factory. They say things so outrageously hurtful that people attack them, then they sue for assault.

    Suing Municipalities is their real goal. Private party defendants are chump change.

    However, if some aggrieved family member were to tag Fred in the jaw, I’d be willing to take my chances on jury nullification since a majority of Americans can’t stand the bastards.

  97. 97.

    Walker

    @lamh35:

    Shit, my first science fair project was the wussy one on photosynthesis, that would probably not even garner an honorable mention in today’s science fairs.

    Depends on what level you are talking about. At a school level it might get recognized, depending on the school. Certainly not regional or higher.

    College application creep has increased the number of students participating in Siemens and Intel. When I was participating in these things (back when it was the Westinghouse), a top school might have a competitor (not finalist, competitor) every other year. Now many schools have programs designed to send multiple students a year.

  98. 98.

    The Other Chuck

    @Roger Moore: Gosh it’d sure be a real shame if there were none of them left to sue.

    Free speech doesn’t extend to running a scam. And combined with the message used to run it, neither does my respect for any of their lives.

    I actually got banned from DKos after expressing that sentiment. I was once upset about that. Go fig.

  100. 100.

    Chris

    @lamh35:

    Now ask yourself, how exactly do you profile “young Muslim men”?

    The best inadvertent argument I’ve ever heard against profiling came from a profiling supporter on IMDb, who said he wanted to see “towelheads and dotheads” singled out for special treatment.

    “Dotheads” are, of course, Hindus.

    Any attempt at profiling “Muslims,” even if you think it’s a good idea, is going to end up catching every Hindu, Sikh or Maronite in the security net while any reasonably light skinned Muslim who shaves is going to pass right through.

  101. 101.

    Trollhattan

    @Yutsano:
    Way to preserve Freedumbs(tm), permit-issuer person.

    “We believe that he may have been trying to kill his witnesses,” Wilson said at a Monday morning news conference.

    The suspect had a valid concealed weapons permit and no criminal history, Wilson continued. Wilson noted the man had previously been contacted by police in Seattle and Federal Way following verbal arguments with a partner or relative.

    Wilson said the man killed his 25-year-old girlfriend before gunning down two men in the complex parking lot and a third man at a neighboring apartment. Speaking Monday morning, a police spokesman said the series of murders began with a domestic violence homicide about 9:35 p.m.

    According to police, the suspect first shot his girlfriend in the head at their apartment in the complex. The shooter then left their apartment, taking with him some belongings including a large gym bag.

    Outside the apartment he encountered two men. Investigators claim witnesses reported hearing yelling or arguing, and saw the suspect shoot both men.

    The suspect walked up to a 46-year-old man and executed him before gunning down the second 24-year-old man.

    A 62-year-old walked out of his apartment, saw what was happening told another neighbor to call police and went back inside. The suspect used a shotgun to blast through the apartment door, entered the apartment and shot the man, killing him.

    Police officers arrived as the suspect was leaving the fourth victim’s apartment carrying the shotgun.

    seattlepi.com/local/article/Police-Federal-Way-killings-began-as-domestic-4453738.php#ixzz2REnoSOLm

  104. 104.

    aimai

    @Roger Moore:

    I think the fact that most people are on to them and simply block them or mock them may make their shtick less successful. I agree with you that they are primarily a nearly unique cult form: a cult of personality surrounding a lawyer, that breeds lawyers, and whose sacrament is suing cities, states, and citizens for damages. But I also wonder if that is becoming less and less profitable the more times they have to journey far afield and then no opportunities for a law suit develop? Its not cheap to fly or drive all over the country, stay in hotels, and protest–if the law suits were their main form of income they may end up bankrupt if we all keep jus tpointing and laughing at them.

  105. 105.

    AHH onna Droid

    @Jerzy Russian: Hes deserved that with interest since he dismissed the findings of a non partisan commission on church finance transparency and advocated for churches getting more tax breaks, less oversight, and more taxpayer money, ie the European model.

  107. 107.

    GxB

    @ranchandsyrup: Heh, I watched and had a strange sense of deja vu, something seemed familiar. Finally read the intro blurb… I had a couple semesters worth of classes in that building just behind the tower.

  108. 108.

    Morzer

    I feel that Chuck Grassley and Ted Cruz deserve to be locked in a hot little room with “Ben Franklin”.

  111. 111.

    MikeJ

    @Mnemosyne: Nothing gives you a right to live in a specific apartment complex either. They can refuse to rent to gun owners and you can still have a right to own a gun.

  112. 112.

    Liquid

    Thank you, Kiro 7, for reminding me why local news is worthless: Jo-Kar is not how you pronounce his name. Then you did it twice, solid job getting details correct.

  113. 113.

    dman

    The hypocrisy is astounding!! On gun rights the right rails along with the argument that any laws will affect the majority which are law abiding gun owners/citizens. Yet with them foreigners it’s lock them all out because of a few bad apples.

    The problem is the left never cease the opportunity to call them out in it in any coordinated way

  114. 114.

    Yutsano

    @MikeJ: My condo has strict rules about gun ownership, basically it’s a big fat no-no. And AFAIK those restrictions get held up in court every single time.

  115. 115.

    karen

    @Schlemizel:

    Come now, Jews aren’t supposed to be deported, they’re supposed to be forced into Israel to bring on the End of Days!

    Get your facts straight!

  116. 116.

    MikeBoyScout

    Some days I hear or read a Grassley quote and the only “positive” thought which comes to mind is that given the actuarial tables I should be able to squeeze at least 15 years on this planet without him. [sigh]

  117. 117.

    karen

    When do you think the GOP will start demanding that all Muslims be thrown into Gtmo, because of their religion alone?

  118. 118.

    Another Halocene Human

    @Yutsano: Didn’t the NYT just run a story about how people with orders of protection against them won’t have their guns taken away?

    Women’s lives aren’t worth much in this country. (Or any victim of domestic violence, if they’re a man then they’re a “pussy”, like Jodi Arias’ victim, therefore a woman, therefore worthless.)

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