Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

That’s my take and I am available for criticism at this time.

T R E 4 5 O N

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

The willow is too close to the house.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

A thin legal pretext to veneer over their personal religious and political desires

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

Good lord, these people are nuts.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

Sadly, there is no cure for stupid.

Too often we hand the biggest microphones to the cynics and the critics who delight in declaring failure.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

I know this must be bad for Joe Biden, I just don’t know how.

Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.

Not all heroes wear capes.

When I decide to be condescending, you won’t have to dream up a fantasy about it.

JFC, are there no editors left at that goddamn rag?

… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact

Hot air and ill-informed banter

Damn right I heard that as a threat.

Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.

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Greg Sargent, also — “Is the Media Putting Its Thumb on the Scale?“:

…[H]alf-baked suggestions that Americans want generic “action” risk being misleading. What actions do Americans actually support? It turns out the WSJ poll also finds that 40 percent say “action” should be “limited to air strikes only” and another 15 percent say we shouldn’t act at all — a total of 55 percent. Meanwhile, all of 34 percent support air strikes and sending in combat troops — perhaps higher than one might expect, but still only one in three Americans.

What’s more, the poll also finds that only 27 percent* say the U.S. should become “more active in world affairs.” That’s up from April, but still, it represents barely more than one in four Americans. Meanwhile, 40 percent say we should be less active and another 29 percent say we should maintain our current level of activeness — a total of 69 percent….

* (That number, again!)

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Apart from waiting for the President’s address to the nation, what’s on the agenda for the evening?

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124Comments

  1. 1.

    Cacti

    As I mentioned the other day, CNN finessed the results of their own poll into a headline that read: Majority of Americans alarmed at ISIS.

    Buried in the 4th paragraph was the finding that the public opposed another ground war in Iraq 61% to 38%.

    War is good for the bottom line of the news business.

  4. 4.

    Trollhattan

    A lawyer-person evidently used these words to form some kind of “argument” before an appellate court.

    [It’s] as though the federal government had passed an edict that said that parents much provide a stocked unlocked liquor cabinet in their house whenever they’re away for their minor and adult daughters to use, and Mormons came in and objected to that. It is exactly the same situation.

    http://wonkette.com/559825/barack-obama-turning-missouri-republicans-daughters-into-slut-pill-popping-hooers#ixzz3CwxSQFXK

    This ironclad analogy is somehow supposed to lead to the end of Obama’s reign of birth-control terror.

  5. 5.

    Baud

    @Trollhattan:

    So employers are our parents now?

    ETA: Ok, I clicked the link and it’s actually dumber than the argument against having BC covered by employer-based insurance.

  6. 6.

    gene108

    Regarding the state Sen Millar’s comments about “educated” people being able to vote, folks need to remember something very important: Literacy Tests are illegal via the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and its renewals, there is no Constitutional amendment banning literacy tests, unlike poll taxes.

    Given the Roberts Court’s striking down part of the VRA, it is kind of unnerving that a lawsuit could bring back literacy tests, if it goes before the Roberts Court.

  9. 9.

    Trollhattan

    @Baud:
    “Employers are people, my friend, while my parents are monsters!
    Guns, of course, are still Man’s Best Friend(tm)”

    Is anybody over there not on the grift? I can’t keep track.

  11. 11.

    skerry

    @Baud:

    “The employees are to Hobby Lobby what the daughters are to Paul and Teresa Wieland,” attorney Timothy Belz said

    Your boss is your new daddy.

  12. 12.

    Citizen_X

    What actions do Americans actually support?

    Pretty much what Obama is doing, that pu$$y loser. FAILURE TO LEAD ARGLE BARGLE!!!

  13. 13.

    Suffern ACE

    @Baud: And if I am reading it correctly, if your strong patriarchial reading of Christian texts leads you to believe that you possess your daughters until they are married, the government has to accept that.

  14. 14.

    Culture of Truth

    @lol: Yeah, but for a good reason. To cover up Ray Rice punching his girlf– wait I’ll go and come back again

  15. 15.

    Mustang Bobby

    Watching the twitterpation of the cable channels about tonight’s address and the subsequent war, I can’t help but think they’re all excited about the inevitable ratings boost that will come from the breathless reporting of more war.

    They’re turning William Randolph Hearst’s line on its head: “You furnish the war and we’ll provide the pictures.”

  16. 16.

    kindness

    I am not a Twitter fan. Don’t have the time to follow everything. But the mockery aspect…OK, I can see a use for it there. Still not going to get on it and follow anyone.

  19. 19.

    Culture of Truth

    It’s part of the Military-Industrial-Beltway Pundit Complex. Of the three, the last has been pushing for war the most. The need it for ratings and prizes and weepy specials and heart-warming pieces and patriotic breaking coverage . Hell, Jake Tapper got a book out of it.

  22. 22.

    Mike in NC

    The corporate media needs to “catapult the propaganda” (per Dubya) for the Military-Industrial-Congressional complex.

    After 9/11, some nitwit NCIS agent in DC told us not to wear our uniforms and to remove base vehicle decals from our cars because there were terrorists lurking behind every tree.

    Also, too, since the late Hugo Chavez said something critical of the Bush Administration, mighty Venezuela suddenly became an existential threat to our lives and liberties. Even worse than the omnipotent North Korea!

  24. 24.

    Trollhattan

    @Mustang Bobby: Hearst didn’t have all that file video. “Alright, gimme an F-15 and F-16 and-sub-and-ship-launched cruise-missile montage, on five, four, three…roll tape and cue Blitzer.”

  27. 27.

    max

    @schrodinger’s cat: The media has more than its thumb on the scale. Most of them are advocating for war at this point.

    Most of them have been pretty much advocating for war since, uh, er, ever. But in this incarnation, particularly breathlessly since BENGHAZI! (We lost four guys, people! We lose more than that in helicopter accidents in Afghanistan!) It’s like they’re more Republican than Republicans.

    max
    [‘”They wanna go to war to stop us buying Japanese…”‘]

  28. 28.

    Hill Dweller

    I see the Republicans are giving a ‘rebuttal’ to President Obama’s speech. Bring on the meteor.

  29. 29.

    different-church-lady

    Once again the president will go on the TV and say something sane. Sane people will breath a sigh of relief, and insane people will be more insane because the president did not feed their insane ideas.

  32. 32.

    Dog On Porch

    Anyone interested in corporate hubris in action need look no further than the unfolding NFL story. The Shield is in the process of shooting its own two feet one toe at a time.

    I’ve already nominated Amy Trask as Goodell’s replacement. But according to the most recent AP story, it was a female voice that confirmed the NFL did indeed receive a copy of the Rice sucker punch. I doubt there are many female executives at NFL headquarters, and I sure hope it’s not her.

  34. 34.

    elmo

    “Damn it, man, we *have* to invade Iraq! Our, um, uh… Our families are-are-are in there. Our, uh, mothers and-and, tiny, tiny babies!”

    /Chuck Giles

  37. 37.

    mdblanche

    @max: This. The media has struck me as the most hawkish group in this country for years now. At this point there aren’t even many Republicans who match them except backbench Senator with no leadership role John McCain and his work-wives Ayotte and Graham. Maybe that’s why they always have one or more of them over every Sunday morning.

  38. 38.

    Berial

    Of course the news agencies are for war. War means more viewers. More viewers means more advertising money. More money is why they are in the business to start with!

    Capitalism; not so good at actually distributing that rarest of commodities, facts.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    @Hill Dweller:

    “President Roosevelt says that the United States of America was “suddenly and deliberately” attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan. But aren’t the American people entitled to know how the President allowed this attack to happen.”

    Yeah, thank God the president is black, or a rebuttal in this context could be considered offensive.

  40. 40.

    Kay

    I’m applying for an absentee ballot as a test. I usually vote “in person absentee”, which means “early”.

    I had better get one :)

  42. 42.

    Anoniminous

    Heavily armed religious nutters are a direct threat to America.

    Are we talking about Iraq or Alabama? (I’m getting confused.)

    (Edited to correct pronoun shortage.)

  43. 43.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @Jay C: What’s more, two of the daughters are 18 and 19, old enough that they don’t need their parents’ consent for medical treatment.

  44. 44.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    What a miserable day. The drive shaft in my car is loose and I doubt I’ll have the money to fix it. So it looks like I’m going to have to cancel most of my road trips to watch hockey this winter and try to baby it along.

  46. 46.

    Patricia Kayden

    @gene108: As much as I hate the Roberts Supreme Court, I cannot imagine that it could bring back literacy tests or poll taxes as a way to further depress the Black vote. But perhaps I’m just naive.

  49. 49.

    Trollhattan

    @Patricia Kayden:
    Just “an umpire” calling balls and strikes. Right up until the fastball to the balls. The trick, I suppose, is making bloody sure a relevant case doesn’t come before them.

  51. 51.

    Jay C

    @Mike in NC:

    Also, too, since the late Hugo Chavez said something critical of the Bush Administration, mighty Venezuela suddenly became an existential threat to our lives and liberties

    Riiiiiight! A country that can’t even secure its own supply of toilet paper is going to be a vital threat to US interests……

  53. 53.

    feebog

    I’m so fking sick of this. We are playing Charlie Brown to Lucy and the football. Yes, it is outrageous that ISIL brutally murdered two journalists and then published it on social media. Saudi Arabia executes several people, many of them innocent or guilty of minor crimes by decapitation every week. No one says word one about that. ISIS is trying to lure us into a protracted ground war on their terms and we are walking right into it. If we want to help the Iraqis chase them out of their country, fine, but bombing ISIL targets in Syria is very dangerous. Assad has already said he considers it a declaration of war, so we would not only have bomb ISIL targets, but watch our backs as we do it. Syria has a pretty good air defense system (thanks Putin) and it is not inconceivable that we could lose some plane and some pilots. Let the Turks and the Saudis deal with this mess, it’s in their backyard, not ours.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    @Citizen_X:

    Whoever gives the rebuttal will do that. I’d almost be ok with the rebuttal if it gave a firm position either for greater war or no war. But it won’t. It’ll be some lame criticism of Obama’s leadership.

  55. 55.

    Bystander

    One day since Cuomo found out 1/3 of the party hates him, I just saw the first ad attacking Rob Astorino.

    Glad there was no time to waste.

  56. 56.

    srv

    I only trust Obama’s Secretary of State, and he’s wanting boots on the ground. They just need to do something scary.

  57. 57.

    AxelFoley

    @lol:

    Goodell just fucked up the cushiest high paying job in the world.

    His job is safe. He makes the owners money, hand over fist. Until that money stops rolling in, Roger ain’t going nowhere.

  59. 59.

    ellie

    Waiting to hear about a job my husband applied for. I must vent: I can understand not sending out rejection letters to the thousands of people who apply but don’t get invited to interview. But what about the handful of people who interview? Is it too much to ask to send out a rejection letter, even if it is an email, to the small number of people who interviewed?

    Apparently.

    A decision is being made before Friday. To muck up the waiting, we missed a call from the place but no message was left. My husband called back, but no one answered. He left a message. So our options are: the place made a mistake in calling him because no message was left OR they are so unprofessional that they didn’t leave a message telling him he got the job. Come to think of it, both options smack of unprofessionalism.

    Urge to kill rising. I am required to be professional, to return calls and emails, to leave messages. I guess I am in the minority.

  60. 60.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Chances are real good that you have a bad u-joint or C-V joint. U-joints are cheap and easy to replace (I would say any idiot could do it, but then again, looking at some of the idiots I know…) C-V joints are more expensive and more difficult to replace but still reasonable in cost.

    Find a way to fix the problem. The list of far more expensive things that can be damaged by a dropped drive shaft is not limited to “ripping the transmission (if front wheel drive) or rear end differential right out of the vehicle”.***

    *** an exaggeration, happens on the race track at 150+ mph, not on the street at 30 or 45, but you can do serious damage. I dropped one in the middle of Nebraska once at 70 mph and considered myself very lucky that I only bent my drive shaft. ‘Course, it took a day and a half to find a shop that could straighten it. That was the same trip I blew out my rear differential in Murdo SD…. Bad trip.

  61. 61.

    Omnes Omnibus (the first of his name)

    @srv: While you are trolling, it is true that Kerry has been the designated public hawk before.

  63. 63.

    some guy

    Assist ing the Assad regime in getting rid of the Saudi militants occupying parts of Syria is a splendid idea. Destroying Wahabbi terrorists by any means necessary is a good idea. Hell, we provided air support to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards in their recent battle againt ISIS at Amerli, so partnering with Assad really isn’t that big of a leap.

  65. 65.

    scav

    @ellie: I was interviewed by a big firm with multiple friends there in the very dept (I would have been working under an immediately prior boss) and still no one ever bothered to call back about not getting the job. You’re disposable and unimportant seems to be the new professional message from many firms.

  67. 67.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    @OzarkHillbilly: The folks at the shop (who I trust, for what it’s worth) were talking about needing to replace the drive shaft. Given that what I know about drive trains would fit on a 3×5 card I have no idea what that means or how to take it.

  68. 68.

    Liberty60

    @Trollhattan:
    I do find it revealing that they see “Employer” and “Parent” as “exactly the same situation”.

    Corey Robin is proven right, again- conservatism really IS about preserving private power.

  69. 69.

    Amir Khalid

    @SatanicPanic:
    The marketing of the Apple watch is itself amazingly dumb. By touting it as an interface device for your iPhone, Apple is as much as admitting that the iPhone fails as its own interface device. Doesn’t that give Samsung an opening to say that their phones work just fine without a smart watch”?

    As for a cool watch, it falls between two stools. The ones people wear to impress cost thousands, even tens of thousands, of dollars. A US$350 watch is low-rent crap in comparison, even if it’s an Apple and looks elegantly simple. And perfectly good digital watches, more accurate than any Rolex, can be had from Casio for, like, thirty bucks.

    As for the fitness/health tracking functions, great. But not original. And it’s in competition with dedicated devices in that space, which is not a good sign.

    I saw this Slate story, a glorified sales pitch, and came away deeply unimpressed.

  71. 71.

    FlipYrWhig

    Do people in the general public honestly care about beheaded journalists? Like, “I didn’t much care about ISIS before, but now they’re beheading journalists, we need to go get ’em?” That’d be like going to war in Israel/Palestine over Klinghoffer. I don’t remember anyone wanting to do that. I can’t imagine that this is really the source of War Fever 2014.

  73. 73.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Though that could also mean that I completely misunderstood the woman at the shop, too. I guess a lot hinges on what, exactly, she meant by, “Probably a lot,” when I asked her how much it would be. I’m waiting for them to get back to me with an estimate.

  74. 74.

    FlipYrWhig

    @Liberty60:

    I do find it revealing that they see “Employer” and “Parent” as “exactly the same situation”.

    We’ve seen this analogy before: God:man::king:subject::husband:wife::father:child. It’s called “patriarchy.”

  75. 75.

    srv

    @Amir Khalid:

    But not original.

    It’s not a watch, it’s a lifestyle.

    So the iPhone wasn’t the original smartphone either. But it sells 50M more per quarter.

    I love all the ‘pro’ joggers and droidnerds ranting about having to carry an iPhone with it. In the meantime, every jogger running by me has an iPhone strap or on their waist. Every guy at the gym has a smartphone. Every single one of them rechecks it between reps. It’s hysterical.

    It’s also a great business model.

  77. 77.

    Betty Cracker

    @Valdivia: Christ on a croissant. FWIW, I think spending a nickel or an ounce of national prestige on the ISIS “threat” is stupid. But we used to have this “politics stops at the water’s edge” thing. At least in public.

  78. 78.

    Mnemosyne

    @ellie:

    From what I’ve been told, companies don’t notify people that they did not get the job anymore for fear of lawsuits. I doubt it’s a realistic fear, but that’s the excuse I’ve heard.

  80. 80.

    Dog On Porch

    If only Americans read more- and therefore knew more- about their own military’s history, they wouldn’t be so easily stampeded. Certainly not by the likes of ‘Isis”.

  82. 82.

    SatanicPanic

    @Amir Khalid: That was my feeling- why price it at $350? If you’re going to go the Beats by Dr Dre route of basically selling a fashion accessory with some functional aspect, then price it at $1000 so people have to really want to show it off.

    Plus it looks kind of small and plain. I already see people with the phones attached their bicep, why not make the Iwatch a full phone that’s twice as big, then you can cram all kinds of neat stuff into it and have a decent battery? And then it’s more eye-catching.

  84. 84.

    Trollhattan

    @Valdivia:

    Just read it will be Rand Paul at 10 on Fox.

    Rand Paul: “I’m a-gin it!”
    Rand Paul’s head-badger: “Bomb the piss oudda dem!”

    More popcorn and beer, please.

  86. 86.

    Trollhattan

    @SatanicPanic:
    Why not go whole-hog and put it in a Power Mac Pro chassis that you wear like a Conan//WWF wristcuff?
    “Gotcher remote access device Right Here!”

    I say it goes the way of 3-D teevee.

  87. 87.

    Jebediah, RBG

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):

    Wow… that’s really saying something, because what I read there was utterly revolting. But he does make a lot of money for a lot of people, so I guess it’s ok. Not sure I even want to know what the “even more” is.

    ETA: Although eventually my curiosity will probably win out.

  89. 89.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    @Jebediah, RBG: The “even more” is that I’m not even sure you can call Mayweather misogynist because he treats pretty much anyone that way, not just women. And that he’s completely untrustworthy in business matters, too.

  90. 90.

    rikyrah

    HILARIOUS!!

    …………..

    Cell Black Django’ with Beyoncé, Mariah Carey, Rihanna and Nicki Minaj will leave you speechless
    by Chris Witherspoon | September 10, 2014 at 3:37 PM

    Former American Idol contestant-turned-viral web video producer, Todrick Hall, did it again.

    Yesterday, Hall published a video spoofing the song “Cell Block Tango” from the Broadway smash hit Chicago. The video has already received nearly 100k views.

    Cell Black Django features performers in character impersonating some of the pop industry’s brightest stars, including Beyoncé, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Mariah Carey and Solange Knowles.

    http://youtu.be/GcH2TlebV6U

    http://thegrio.com/2014/09/10/cell-black-django-beyonce-mariah-carey-nicki-minaj-rihanna/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Black+News

  91. 91.

    the Conster

    @geg6:

    It’s always always always the cover up that gets them. You’d think these assholes would have learned this by now.

  93. 93.

    Turgidson

    @Trollhattan:

    Seriously. There should be wagers placed on how quickly he contradicts himself. It will be well within the Charles Pierce Rule on the Paul Family, stating that within no more than five minutes he will something totally unhinged. I’ll go 3 minutes.

    ETA: I made the mistake of seeing how our favorite Tory Innumerate Clown was handling events. Not well. Not well at all. Where was all this hysterical concern in 2002-03, you nitwit?

  94. 94.

    Roger Moore

    @ellie:

    I can understand not sending out rejection letters to the thousands of people who apply but don’t get invited to interview. But what about the handful of people who interview? Is it too much to ask to send out a rejection letter, even if it is an email, to the small number of people who interviewed?

    Sometimes they don’t want to send rejection messages because they want to leave their options open. The last time I was involved in a hiring decision, we offered the job to our first choice, but after some hemming and hawing, they turned it down. Because we didn’t send out rejection letters to the other candidates, we were able to offer the job to one of the people lower on the list.

  96. 96.

    Trollhattan

    @Roger Moore:
    Back when I did such things as hiring, we’d do a two-step process where finalists would be told “we’re still deliberating” and only the definite nopes would get a “thanks but no thanks” letter, for just what you’re describing, which happened a lot.

  99. 99.

    Jebediah, RBG

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):

    I wonder, then, what the odds are that he dies of natural causes at a ripe old age. Eventually he won’t generate the revenue he does now, but he’ll probably still be a total dick.
    Thanks for the info – I guess I’ll take Mayweather off my Christmas card list.

  102. 102.

    shelley

    oops, just saw somebody else asked about the R rebuttal. Rand Paul, eh? Lovely. And I see somebody also invoked Charlie Pierce’s five minute rule on anything thing Paul says.

  107. 107.

    jl

    Whelp…. Toronto’s hearty party hardy mayor Rob Ford hospitalized for increasingly severe abdominal pains, that he has been ignoring for at least 3 months. Reports out talking about symptoms consistent with a tumor. Hope of course it is not too serious. Wonder if will shake some common sense into the guy, or will it just further convince him that YOLO is always and only way to go.

    Breaking: Rob Ford Hospitalized
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/breaking-rob-ford-hospitalized

  108. 108.

    Elie

    @feebog:

    My understanding is that we would bomb there only. NO ground troops.

    I totally get your concern, however. I think this whole ISIS thing is way out of proportion to the threat and I think (hope) that Obama already knows this. They 1) have no state sponsor and 2) no airforce or major military infrastructure 3) their financial supporters are knowable and therefore targetable..

    Obama missed his cue to talk trash (not his style), and so he has been asked to write “I will threaten and talk aggressive 4000 times on foolscap paper. He needs to give a good stemwinder and then do something much much slower and limited IMHO. I trust that he gets it but he let his mask slip a week ago and now has to clean that up

  110. 110.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    My Mum arrived for a visit this evening. She is here for a month. Unfortunately this morning my Bro in Law called and told me that the kennels had called and told him that Mum’s dog had died this morning. I was dreading telling Mum, because I knew she would blame herself for “abandoning” her. That is exactly the reaction she had, despite the fact that as usual they adopted the oldest and most unadoptable dog from the shelter a year ago. Susie was diagnosed with heart failure about two weeks ago and the vet gave her 12 weeks at most. Mum is inconsolable, I have no idea what to do to convince Mum that she gave Susie a wonderful year out of the shelter before she died. She keeps saying “I know she would have been dead in two months, but I think she died because she thought she had been put back in the shelter”. Today should have been a happy day, it turned out to be anything but.

  112. 112.

    shelley

    oronto’s hearty party hardy mayor Rob Ford hospitalized for increasingly severe abdominal pains

    Considering his heavy partying, could be pancreatitis.

  113. 113.

    mdblanche

    @Elie:

    They 1) have no state sponsor

    Serious question: are we sure about that? I’m sure nobody wants to admit it now, but wasn’t there talk of them receiving sponsorship from some of the Sunni states in the region, at least in the past? There’s so much double-dealing in the Middle East on all sides that it wouldn’t surprise me if IS is still receiving covert support from countries publicly calling for strikes against them.

  114. 114.

    Anne Laurie

    @Amir Khalid:

    As for a cool watch, it falls between two stools. The ones people wear to impress cost thousands, even tens of thousands, of dollars. A US$350 watch is low-rent crap in comparison, even if it’s an Apple and looks elegantly simple. And perfectly good digital watches, more accurate than any Rolex, can be had from Casio for, like, thirty bucks.

    One reason I like my old-fashioned flip phone is that my pocket is a safer tech center than my wrist. I always bought cheap watches, because I would inevitably slam them in a door or dunk them in the sink one time too many. And why would a sane person want to share extremely personal health data with the entire internet?!?

  115. 115.

    burnspbesq

    @Trollhattan:

    I say it goes the way of 3-D teevee.

    Nope. They’re going to sell eleventy gazillion of the damn things. Because it’s the new cool thing.

  116. 116.

    Anne Laurie

    @Valdivia: On the positive side, this means the GOP Permanent Party has really, positively decided Rand Paul will not be their standardbearer in 2016 (see Jindal, Bobby).

  118. 118.

    Elie

    @mdblanche:

    They have no formal state sponsor that would declare themselves as such. All others are potentially discoverable and therefore “fuckable”. Of course, the Saudi’s and perhaps others have given some financial support, but I doubt that ISIS could use them as a full sponsor and safe haven. The Saudis are most likely to have paid them off to keep them out of their hair. I read however, that their ultimate target is the House of Saud.

  119. 119.

    Origuy

    @Elie: The House of Saud has thousands of members. It’s quite possible that some of the ones on the outs with the ruling faction are contributing to ISIS, hoping for greater opportunities with an overthrow of the monarchy.

  120. 120.

    Elie

    Also — how dumb would we be to AGAIN be drawn into stupid shit by some fringe group that likes to yank our “beards”. Seriously. They decapitated two journalists. That is not good as these guys were actually jounalists. Maybe we could send them a couple of our “homeland” assholes — I DO have a few recommendations…
    Why can’t we be cool for once! Do we have to run after every car that comes down the road? Honestly, why is our model the white legislator or news anchor with an IQ of 80 or less?

  121. 121.

    Elie

    @Origuy:

    Ok

    But they are knowable and turn-in-able by the heads of the current House, right. Why don’t they clean out their own crap? When your septic system is broken, nothing smells right, but its a local job. I am tired of the Saudis and their septic system problems.

  123. 123.

    Sondra

    Well Gengis Khan could not have asked for better P.R. and he used elephants because the AP hadn’t been invented yet.

    Just sayin……….

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