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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2016 / Open Thread: This Time, It’s Personal

Open Thread: This Time, It’s Personal

by Anne Laurie|  December 10, 20143:42 pm| 104 Comments

This post is in: Election 2016, Open Threads, Republican Stupidity

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Me and Omnes, we told you guys, but did you believe us? … From the Washington Post:

Rick Santorum is running for president again — and says this time will be different
Rick Santorum won primaries and caucuses in 11 states in 2012, coming in a respectable second in the GOP presidential primary season. And Republicans have a history of bestowing their nomination on the next guy in line, usually an also-ran from the last contest.

Yet the former senator from Pennsylvania is rarely mentioned in the already feverish pre-game 2016 chatter among the political commentariat and the donor class.

That’s just the way he likes it. Or so he says.

“America loves an underdog. We’re definitely the underdog in this race,” he said in an interview Tuesday. Santorum added that being underestimated — again — “has given me a lot of latitude.”…

Where he had to build his operation from the ground up in 2012, Santorum now has a grass-roots operation called Patriot Voices, which boasts 150,000 activists across the country. Its current push, an online petition drive to oppose President Obama’s recent executive action on immigration, has generated what Santorum strategist John Brabender says are “30,000 new e-mail relationships.”…

Santorum argues that the reemergence of immigration as an issue will work in his favor because he takes a tougher line than many other Republicans do.

“I take the approach that immigration policy in America ought to be about Americans,” he said. “The principal focus of immigration policy is not about the rest of the world. It’s about us.”…

He’s pale! He’s rested! He’s ready! And he hates all the people the struggling Joe & Jane Sixpaks hate — not just the filthy urbanists and the criminal blacks and the pushy encroaching browns, but the overeducated hipsters and fat-cat megacorporatists who encourage those tribes and mock the decent patriotic Americans who want no part of those hipsters and immigrants. To the barricades, fellow Heartlanders!(tm)…
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Apart from putting on our waders (just the boots won’t be enough), what’s on the agenda for the afternoon/evening?

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  1. 1.

    Violet

    December 10, 2014 at 3:45 pm

    Will he be the sweater vest candidate again or go for something else?

  2. 2.

    Omnes Omnibus

    December 10, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Frontpaged with Santorum…. Ew.

  3. 3.

    Belafon

    December 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    not just the filthy urbanists and the criminal blacks and the pushy encroaching browns, but the overeducated hipsters and fat-cat megacorporatists who encourage those tribes and mock the decent patriotic Americans who want no part of those hipsters and immigrants.

    And that is why Republican minds don’t work right: Santorum and Joe & Jane Sixpaks are always siding with the megacorporatists.

  4. 4.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 10, 2014 at 3:48 pm

    I’m not surprised he’s running, I’m just not sure if he can get Foster Friese or another sugar daddy to help him rile up/round up the fetus fetishists who are his base– and if you have no ties to that world, he’s their Elizabeth Warren, Dr Dean and DENNIS! rolled in to one creepy goober.

    More seriously, ensuring a focus on immigrant hating, which I guess was inevitable, is gonna give Reince Priebus some well-deserved acid reflux.

  5. 5.

    Violet

    December 10, 2014 at 3:49 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: You go to the front page with the candidate you have, not the candidate you wish you had.

  6. 6.

    Yatsuno

    December 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Paging Dan Savage. Dan Savage please report to the Santorum thread for mockery and arranging clean-up detail.

    Looking at the budget mishegas. Böhner isn’t scheduling the vote until Thursday. That means he doesn’t have them now & Nancy BETTER not bail his ass out this time.

  7. 7.

    raven

    December 10, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    Go Noles!

    O’Connor called Lively a gay slur and used profane language.

    “Take your Northern (gay slur) elitism and shove it up your (expletive),” O’Connor wrote on Lively’s Facebook post (they are not Facebook friends, but have one mutual friend on the social media site).

    “I teach at a University, you (expletive). What do you do?” she added. “You are an intellectual fraud, just like your Messiah. Obama has single-handedly turned our once great society into a Ghetto Culture, rivaling that of Europe.”

  8. 8.

    low-tech cyclist

    December 10, 2014 at 3:53 pm

    Did anyone think he wasn’t running? If he didn’t run, he’d have to get a hobby or something.

    The real question is, who’s gonna vote for him this time? Last time, his success, such as it was, was the result of being the last Anti-Romney in the race. This time, almost everyone is an Anti-Romney; the question is, will there be an Establishment candidate to bother defeating?

    I suppose he’s got as good a shot as anyone in the GOP clown car, but he feels like yesterday’s news.

  9. 9.

    mai naem mobile

    December 10, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    Do these 30000 new email relationships involve some santorum like substance after the rectal feeding , oops,I meant intimate encounter?

  10. 10.

    Violet

    December 10, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    @low-tech cyclist:

    the question is, will there be an Establishment candidate to bother defeating?

    Jeb!

  11. 11.

    Shakezula

    December 10, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    The powerful white Christian heteropenis delusion that a powerful white Christian heteropenis is an underdog when a person who isn’t a powerful white Christian heteropenis dares to contradict him is one of the many powerful white Christian heteropenis delusions that are starting to bore the shit out of me.

  12. 12.

    NonyNony

    December 10, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    @raven:

    Obama has single-handedly turned our once great society into a Ghetto Culture, rivaling that of Europe.

    Um, whut?

  13. 13.

    raven

    December 10, 2014 at 4:05 pm

    @NonyNony: Cool huh? She resigned.

  14. 14.

    Suzanne

    December 10, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    @NonyNony: Amazing, isn’t it? They see Europe, with its socialized healthcare and maternity leave and fine art and public education, and think “ghetto”. These are people with whom one cannot reason.

    Favorite unrelated note: I watched the POTUS on Colbert, and was struck by the Presidential seal behind him with the word “veritasiness”. I laughed a lot.

  15. 15.

    kindness

    December 10, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    And let us not forget that if it was up to ole frothy mix of lube & whatnot, Joe would do everything he could to make condoms illegal.

    Why step back in time to the 1950’s when you can go to the 1500’s?

  16. 16.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    December 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    So, the NFL is unilaterally imposing a new personal conduct policy without input from the players or union. And better than that, they put Jimmy Haslam (or his wife; I’ve seen both reported) on the committee that will implement the policy. You know, the same Jimmy Haslam that’s implicated in his chain of truck stops fraudulently overcharging customers for gas to the tune of about $30 million.

    That’s a pretty sharp stick in the eye that this new personal conduct policy isn’t going to apply to the owners, just their employees.

  17. 17.

    Mike E

    December 10, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Where’s Pat Paulsen when we really, really need him?

  18. 18.

    Litlebritdifrnt

    December 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    @NonyNony:

    That is exactly what I thought. What are the odds that the person has never left the US in their entire life?

  19. 19.

    Major Major Major Major

    December 10, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    Well, this’ll be fun! Wonder if he actually has a base.

    In open thread news, just stockin’ the ol’ pantries for storm prep. Might go wait it out at my friend’s house, he lives on a hill…

  20. 20.

    MomSense

    December 10, 2014 at 4:13 pm

    @raven:

    Woah. Obviously that lady has never been to a ghetto or to Europe.

  21. 21.

    JGabriel

    December 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    WaPo:

    “I don’t think I’ve met a ‘suit’ yet,” Santorum said of his travels around the country. “It’s very much heart of America, average Americans who have found a place where they see someone who will stand up and fight for them. If the Republican Party has a future — and I sometimes question if it does — it’s in middle America. It’s not in corporate America.”

    That is a theme he has sounded for years …

    And utterly hypocritical in that Santorum was the GOP Senate’s liason for the K Street Project — a fact he has since tried to obscure.

  22. 22.

    beltane

    December 10, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    @NonyNony: To these people, widespread prosperity and overall high standards of living=Ghetto. Republican base voters enjoy rolling in the Santorum, believe it smells like the finest perfume, and will raise their Patriot Voices in protest if you hand them a bar of soap and suggest they might want to go bathe.

  23. 23.

    raven

    December 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    @MomSense: She ain’t no lady neither!

  24. 24.

    Botsplainer

    December 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    I think the Teatards have morphed too much to support Santorum. They’re mostly Know-Nothings now. He’s too Catholic, probably knows some o’ them furrin’ words and Latin and stuff, and is gonna kowtow to that there Commie pope, coz them papist mackerel snappers was always really like that, deep down.

  25. 25.

    Lee Rudolph

    December 10, 2014 at 4:18 pm

    I’m sorry, I didn’t think we were going to talk about “man under dog” with a United States senator, it’s sort of freaking me out.

  26. 26.

    BGinCHI

    December 10, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    Sic Semper Ignorance.

  27. 27.

    KG

    December 10, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    @low-tech cyclist: he won Iowa last time, so it wasn’t just that he was the last standing anti-Romney. republican presidential candidates fall into certain archetypes – he fits the reactionary social conservative premodern archetype perfectly. he won’t actually win because the reactionary social conservative never wins. but he will force the rest of the candidates to pay fealty to the pro-life/forced-birth agenda and make them say nasty things about gay people. his job, basically, is to make sure whoever wins the nomination remembers that they need reactionary social conservatives to win in november (even if they really don’t)

  28. 28.

    Amir Khalid

    December 10, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Rick Santorum may be “retooling” his message, whatever that means, but as far as I can tell it’s still the same damn message. And Santorum is still the same damn candidate. In 2012, Santorum did not manage to rise above a desperately awful Republican field. (Come to that, neither did Mitt Romney. Mitt just looked the handsomest in a suit.) I don’t see how being runner-up for the nomination then makes Santorum the favourite in 2016. Given his charisma deficiency, I think he’d lose the nom to almost any other candidate, even Dunderhead Rick.

  29. 29.

    beltane

    December 10, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    @MomSense: This lady has probably never left the tribal village in Wingnutistan she was born in. Taco Bell is the only exposure she has ever had to the dark and sinister outside world where three-headed hipsters and ten foot tall lesbians create armies of Mexicans with their superpower endowed smart phones.

  30. 30.

    rlrr

    December 10, 2014 at 4:21 pm

    @raven:

    “I teach at a University, you (expletive)

    Not anymore, apparently…

  31. 31.

    JGabriel

    December 10, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I’m not surprised he’s running, I’m just not sure if he can get Foster Friese or another sugar daddy to help him rile up/round up the fetus fetishists who are his base …

    The article says Friess already plans to support Santorum:

    Foster Friess, the benefactor who ponied up $2.1 million to a pro-Santorum super PAC in 2012, says he would support him again.

    Of course, that’s in the context of WaPo wondering whether Santorum will be able to find any other deep-pocketed supporters. So it doesn’t really contradict your point.

  32. 32.

    SRW1

    December 10, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Next guy in line or not, the evangelical godbotherers have their own horse in the race. Plus, his Raffael daddy knows how to wield fire and brimstone. If need be, wh*re of Babylon whispers might waft through the clown car for a bit.

  33. 33.

    jonas

    December 10, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    @NonyNony: You know, Europe. That post-apocalyptic hellscape of 4-week vacations, maternity leave, and free health care. Haven’t you ever been there?

  34. 34.

    Felonius Monk

    December 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    And on the First Tuesday of November, God sayeth: “Thou shall not pollute thy White House with Santorum or any other frothy mixture.”

  35. 35.

    the Conster

    December 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    @raven:

    LOL – she’s learned her lesson…. about Facebook. What a dumbass.

  36. 36.

    rlrr

    December 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    @jonas:

    a dystopian nightmare, to be sure…

  37. 37.

    beltane

    December 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    @SRW1:

    If need be, wh*re of Babylon whispers might waft through the clown car for a bit

    If the Whore of Babylon was real, she would win the Republican nomination and the presidency.

  38. 38.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 10, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    @Botsplainer: He’s too Catholic, probably knows some o’ them furrin’ words and Latin and stuff, and is gonna kowtow to that there Commie pope

    actually I’d lay even money that, if his campaign has any legs, we’ll see Cardinal Santorumarola declare, a la Scalia, that the Pope isn’t Catholic enough. I have a hunch that this, unlike his diss of Kennedy last time, will not trouble my wing nut “pro life” aunt, if he hasn’t already lost her to that Senator Tom Cruise.

  39. 39.

    Elizabelle

    December 10, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    @raven:

    Wow. More of the Kenyan usurper smoking out his detractors eleventy level chess.

    Here’s the Folio article on the former FSU lecturer’s FB commenting, including the email on her extracurricular activities sent to Florida State.

    ETA: Tee hee. Here’s the money quote that really got FSU president Thrasher’s attention, no doubt.

    “If I were a graduate and saw this kind of vitriol coming from an FSU professor, I can guarantee that FSU would not see another dime of donations from me.”

    FSU is lucky O’Connor was a “senior lecturer” — sounds adjunct — and not tenured, apparently.

  40. 40.

    Betty Cracker

    December 10, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    @raven: Good lord, what an idiot.

  41. 41.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    December 10, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    @JGabriel: I was thinking one of the active billionaires– the home builder from Texas or one of the hardware megastore boys– is hard core anti-“amnesty”?

  42. 42.

    Belafon

    December 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    @jonas: It’s so bad in Europe they haven’t even finished building the Eiffel tower.

  43. 43.

    JGabriel

    December 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    @raven:

    O’Connor called Lively a gay slur and used profane language.

    Will no one do anything about these white thugs and their obscene facebooking?

  44. 44.

    Chickamin Slam

    December 10, 2014 at 4:27 pm

    Anne, I predicted the same, probably not on this website, but I said to someone “I bet he runs again.” They just can’t quit politics. If they are not running they are on TV talking about what they would do if only they were in office.

  45. 45.

    Jebediah, RBG

    December 10, 2014 at 4:30 pm

    Santorum is, I think, too smarmy and creepy to win a general election. Being a sweater-vest doofus doesn’t help him, either. He’s the church youth group leader your parents didn’t want you spending too much time with.

  46. 46.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:31 pm

    @raven: Florida, still the plantation, no tenure, no ‘freedom’

    If she was a high school instructor I’d say CTRL-ALT-DEL but some part of me is still aghast that you can terminate a college instructor for off work mouthing off.

    I have no sympathy for this woman but I object to the system. Also, too, the fact that everyone is at will is what feeds the rage and fear. Not being able to work, not being able to eat, well hook that right into the amygdala.

  47. 47.

    SRW1

    December 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    Given his charisma deficiency, …

    Provided without comment.

  48. 48.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    @Elizabelle: This is Thrasher:

    http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/24293/john-thrasher

    before you start making assumptions

  49. 49.

    Just One More Canuck

    December 10, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    @Botsplainer: As Harry Reid said, Santorum is Latin for asshole

  50. 50.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    Thrasher, a yea vote on random drug testing for state employees, kind of gives you an idea of where he falls on labor issues.

  51. 51.

    Hungry Joe

    December 10, 2014 at 4:34 pm

    @raven: ” … rivaling that of Europe.” So we have high-speed rail now? Cool! … uh, where is it, exactly? The last time I took the train to L.A. (130 miles) it was a three-hour trip.

    I swear, most of these Know-nothings think that Europe looks like the village in “Fiddler on the Roof.” (Without the Jews, of course.)

  52. 52.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    Well, he’s said all along that he was strongly considering running, so I don’t know who wouldn’t have “believed you.” The question is whether he’ll get anywhere with it. No.

  53. 53.

    KG

    December 10, 2014 at 4:36 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    I don’t see how being runner-up for the nomination then makes Santorum the favourite in 2016

    because that’s how the GOP nominates people. 1976 Reagan came in second, he wins the nomination in 1980. GHW Bush comes in second in 1980 (becomes VP) and then wins the nomination in 1988. Dole comes in second in 1988, wins the nomination in 1996. Field is cleared for GW Bush in 2000, except for McCain,who comes in second and then wins in 2008. Romney comes in second in 2008, wins in 2012. Republicans pick the next guy in line, it’s what they do.

  54. 54.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:37 pm

    @beltane: FSU is pretty diverse in terms of student body.

    It’s worse, actually, it’s not that she lives in a bubble, it’s that she’s girded by ideological armor. She has circumcised lips, a circumcised heart, and apparently circumcised eyes and ears which you would need, maybe the cotton wool of Christ in her ears. Anyway, she is one of those none so blind as those who will not see.

  55. 55.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    December 10, 2014 at 4:41 pm

    Sticky Ricky will do well. He knows what the idiot brigade wants to hear and will feed it to them by the bucketful.

    If Money loses the fight for the nom to the Tards, he’ll easily get the VP slot this time around.

  56. 56.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    December 10, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    @Elizabelle: “Senior lecturer” is a business school thing. It’s kind of like adjunct faculty in that they aren’t tenured; they aren’t even tenure track. Generally they don’t have a PhD. Instead, they’ve spent 2-3 decades working in private industry and then come to a school and teach either full-time or part-time. They’re paid a hell of a lot better than what you think of as adjunct faculty and the lack of tenure is pretty much the only thing the two categories have in common.

    At least in accounting, I found the senior lecturers to be almost uniformly better teachers than the tenure track faculty. Academic (i.e. tenure track) accounting has become a ghetto for people who couldn’t get into an econ doctoral program and the papers they produce are just about useless. If you’re a math nerd they can be fun to read because the math is elegant but it has nothing whatsoever to do with actual problems within accounting. And even by the standards of academia they’re dismissive of actually teaching undergraduates.

    The senior lecturers, on the other hand, are people that want to be in teaching badly enough that they took substantial pay cuts to do it. They’re paid more than normal adjunct faculty, but probably a quarter or less of what they could be making if they’d just stayed in industry. They aren’t all that good, but a much higher proportion of them are than among the tenure track folks.

    I didn’t particularly like a lot of the ones that I took non-accounting classes from (though the guy that taught us Business Law was awesome) but that had more to do with my just not liking or respecting subjects like marketing than it did with the instructors themselves.

  57. 57.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    December 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: See above. You don’t need to feel aggrieved for senior lecturers when things go bad.

  58. 58.

    beltane

    December 10, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Back in 2006 David Brooks had the balls to claim that Rick Santorum was the best friend to the poor to ever serve in the Senate, and that it was oh so sad that he wasn’t reelected.

  59. 59.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    December 10, 2014 at 4:44 pm

    If she was a high school instructor I’d say CTRL-ALT-DEL but some part of me is still aghast that you can terminate a college instructor for off work mouthing off.

    @Another Holocene Human: She was not fired and probably could not have been. That was voluntary all the way.

    And yes, because of evil unions, it’s harder to fire a high school teacher than a college professor. Not that either one, in the grand scheme of things, is fundamentally that hard to fire. The professors need to climb down off their ivory towers and get a union. Any one will be better than the one they have.

  60. 60.

    Roger Moore

    December 10, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    @Amir Khalid:

    In 2012, Santorum did not manage to rise above a desperately awful Republican field. (Come to that, neither did Mitt Romney. Mitt just looked the handsomest in a suit.) I don’t see how being runner-up for the nomination then makes Santorum the favourite in 2016.

    In 2012, Santorum was runner up in a desperately awful field. In 2016, the field looks likely to be worse, so he should be able to do better. That’s his logic.

  61. 61.

    Woodrowfan

    December 10, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    @Elizabelle: “senior lecturer”

    not adjunct, probably a term professor hired a few years at a time with no chance of tenure. it’s right above adjunct but below assistant professor in the ranks, which is to say 1 or 2 steps above the bottom depending on it her school has grad students teach as TAs. .

    Just saw TTP’s post. I suspect her status depends on which school she’s in.

  62. 62.

    Amir Khalid

    December 10, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    I remember Santorum was a movie producer or something at one point. He made a little Christmas movie in which Susan Boyle had a minor role. I guess that gig isn’t going too well at the moment.

  63. 63.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 4:46 pm

    @beltane: What was the reasoning behind this unusual conclusion? That Rih was only directing Christ’s love toward poor people in telling them to stop fucking outside of marriage and start cheerfully obeying their earthly masters?

  64. 64.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    This facebook thing is like a gotcha. I know of an incident not very long ago at all where a white public employee called some little children who had a Black mom and a white dad “zebra children” and she was not fired or even disciplined (at least not to the level of suspension). Right here in Florida!

    What I’m saying is that people get away with so much on the job then you flame out on social media and get fired? How about correcting the fucking unprofessional professional behavior first. Then worry about social media.

    I don’t like the revenge aspect. Everybody needs a job. I don’t like being a gay person and reading this gay person got somebody else fired because they were upset about something that was said to them. I’m uncomfortable with that. I’m uncomfortable with the culture of firing people for social media posts. Like the woman who posted a picture with her husband and got fired because she’s in a modest swimsuit. Oh and the husband who works at the same school, not fired. Bullying is real, let’s address bullying within professional capacity, instead of this lazy, kneejerk, insidious practice of firing people over facebook or twitter stuff. Just to clarify I actually think it’s fine when high school teahers or coaches get fired for bigoted stuff on social media because they have just revealed they have no business having that sort of relationship with children but it used to be we kind of treated college students like adults. And there are plenty of bigoted professors who just express their bigotry in more upscale ways and their positions are in no danger whatsoever. How about that.

  65. 65.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I believe he still has his “Christian production company.” He better get going if he wants to make this year’s end-of-year movie rush. American Christians love nothing better than moviegoing in late December, ‘lessen it’s moaning about the mortal insult of having been wished “Happy holidays.”

  66. 66.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    December 10, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    @Woodrowfan:

    . . . it’s right above adjunct but below assistant professor in the ranks . . .

    It’s not even in the same set of ranks at all, though I suppose tenure track people like to think of it that way.

  67. 67.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It was better than Kirk Cameron’s Saving Christmas.

    Xmas Candle: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2739338/

    Saving Xmas: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2739338/

    Saving Xmas currently IMDB’s worst film of all time (you will see some classic shlock movies on the way down–Touched by Satan, I Accuse My Parents, etc): http://www.imdb.com/chart/bottom

  68. 68.

    beltane

    December 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    @shortstop: According to David Brooks, Santorum is a man of deep compassion. He could not, of course, point to a single thing Santorum has done to alleviate poverty, but his flamboyant religiosity was enough for Brooks. If there was a Nobel Prize for bullshitting, David Brooks would be in the running for it.

  69. 69.

    srv

    December 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    srv says:
    June 30, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Everyone please email John Cole now to start an Act Blue for Santorum and set us a $100K goal.

    I will dollar match the first $500.

    My offer still stands.

  70. 70.

    Hungry Joe

    December 10, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    Santorum is orders of magnitude creepier than anyone I can think of who as gotten this far in the nominating process. Twenty seconds of Rih on the tee-vee and I want to get in a scalding shower with a Brillo pad and a wire brush.

  71. 71.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 10, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    @raven: I suspect the “ghetto culture” remark juxtaposed to Europe suggests that she means that the Mud People are taking over here the way she thinks they have in Europe — fairly common sentiment in the European wingnut-o-sphere, a la Anders Breivik and “Eurabia.”

  72. 72.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    December 10, 2014 at 4:53 pm

    @Woodrowfan: She was in Business Communication, which looks like it’s part of the Marketing department there. Though it turns out that she does have a PhD (in English). I suspect that she won’t have too much trouble finding a job.

  73. 73.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    This is the first review to the 2nd worst IMDB film of all time:

    This movies outshines “Troll 2” in every respect. It puts “Plan 9 From Outer Space” and “The Room” to shame. Imagine a movie that would be created solely to give film students a paper topic on how NOT to make movies. Every conceivable error has been made in making “Birdemic.” At first, you simply won’t be able to believe that the film is not a spoof. But if you read about the film and about Nguyen, and if you take a few moments to watch the additional material on the DVD, you will soon agree that this was just a misguided effort on the entire production team’s part.

    Now contrast Saving Christmas which takes place mostly in a minivan and consists of Kirk Cameron expounding on his extremely heretical (and ahistorical) views about American materialist and secular Xmas traditions and his conviction that they’re some how deeply Xtian sacramental offerings.

    At least the Xmas Candle was an actual mooovieee, with a script and actors and costumes and sets and a story, even if the story was stupid.

  74. 74.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Straight to the private for profit degree mills!

  75. 75.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: My thoughts exactly.

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    Woodrowfan

    December 10, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):

    It’s not even in the same set of ranks at all, though I suppose tenure track people like to think of it that way.

    that’s how they rank where i am, but, as I said, it depends on where you are and what school you are in. It also does not necessarily reflect on your skill as a teacher. the best teacher in our department was a “Senior Lecturer” with “only” a MA.

    She might have trouble getting a job, it’s pretty crowded out there. If a prospective school Googles her and sees this situation, they’d probably toss her CV. OTOH, she might fit well into a Xtain college..

  77. 77.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    @shortstop: Fuck that noise, ANNIE is coming out at Xmas this year!

  78. 78.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 10, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    @Woodrowfan: @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): “Senior lecturer” here means someone who’s hired on to teach full time and gets annually reviewed, but isn’t tenure-eligible. Adjuncts pick up a course here and there, a la carte; senior lecturers have more security than that and the presumption is that they’re in it for the long haul.

  79. 79.

    Elizabelle

    December 10, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Woo boy. From the Miami Herald, September 23, 2014:

    In controversial decision, FSU names John Thrasher its new president

    … Supporters say Thrasher, 70, is the best person to help FSU reach its $1 billion fundraising goal and aspirations to become one of the nation’s top 25 public universities.

    Opponents say the fix was in from the start and no one else ever had a chance. Some students chanted “FSU is not for sale” immediately after the vote.

    …. The Board of Trustees interviewed all four finalists Tuesday. Thrasher, former West Virginia University Provost Michele Wheatly and Richard Marchase, vice president of research and economic development at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, all appeared in person. Michael Martin, chancellor of the Colorado State University System, was interviewed via videoconferencing …

    …. Thrasher, who earned a bachelor’s degree in business and a law degree from FSU, said all along that his political and business connections made him the best man for the job. But opponents, including faculty and students, cited his lack of academic credentials and conservative politics as reasons not to select him.

    The Board of Trustees disagreed. Many of the members have supported Thrasher politically over the years and most were appointed by Gov. Rick Scott. Thrasher is chairman of Scott’s re-election campaign.

    … Emails obtained by The Associated Press this past summer showed that the consultant first hired to help FSU told the head of the search committee that the university was trying to “concoct a competitive process” that would end with Thrasher’s hiring.

    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article2212206.html#storylink=cpy

    The previous president made $395,000 annually, plus unspecified “fundraising bonuses.” He decamped for Penn State.

  80. 80.

    FlipYrWhig

    December 10, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): I dunno. “Quick-tempered bigot” doesn’t seem like a great profile for an instructor of business communication.

  81. 81.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN)

    December 10, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: I suspect she’s likely headed back to the renumerative world of PR flacking.

  82. 82.

    Woodrowfan

    December 10, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN):

    Well, Santorum will need a Communications Director, and Florida is a key state!

  83. 83.

    kc

    December 10, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Rick Santorum is running for president again

    Finally, some good news.

  84. 84.

    Elizabelle

    December 10, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    This senior lecturer’s FB posts were so incendiary, though. And it was seeing a picture of Eric Holder re the Tamir Rice case that set her off.

    I think she crossed a line, and that it would be problematic for FSU or any company to retain her.

  85. 85.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 5:03 pm

    @FlipYrWhig: That’s Ghetto Culture with random capitalization, because she has a doctorate in English, you see.

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym (JMN): Why wouldn’t she have trouble finding a job? The academic job market is impossible and she just had to very publicly resign for blatant racism, homophobia and religious bigotry. Maybe Liberty or Regent will hire her, but I can’t imagine anyplace reputable doing so.

  86. 86.

    kc

    December 10, 2014 at 5:04 pm

    @raven:

    She sounds fun.

  87. 87.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    @beltane: Ah, so he’s just like my cracker stepmama-in-law. You can murder, rape, steal, cheat, covet your neighbor’s wife, repeatedly drive drunk AND jaywalk while never attending church or reading the Bible, but if you sprinkle occasional references to Jesus into your conversation, you’re a “wonderful person” in her book.

  88. 88.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    @Elizabelle: You’re probably right but I’m so used to such talk from white people around here in fact I kind of withdrew from FB because of it, it’s just relentless and obnoxious

    screaming about Obama is actually a relief compared to hearing bullshit about George Zimmerman

    and even though she was freaking about immigrants she wasn’t calling refugee children Ebola Muslim terror babies

    I think I’m desensitized.

  89. 89.

    Another Holocene Human

    December 10, 2014 at 5:13 pm

    @shortstop:

    Maybe Liberty or Regent will hire her, but I can’t imagine anyplace reputable doing so.

    No worries, it’s Florida.

    If she has the right friends she might even get back into the state system.

  90. 90.

    Woodrowfan

    December 10, 2014 at 5:14 pm

    it’s disturbing how many people I’ve seen in FB defending torture. “you kill 3,000 of our people, all bets are off!” “these people (Muslims) have no respect for human life!” sigh.,

  91. 91.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    @Woodrowfan: Isn’t it horrible? People I thought were brighter and less cray. Fortunately most of the people saying this shit are kids I barely remember from HS so unfriend unfriend unfriend it is. Life is short. You avidly defend torture, you got no redeeming humanity in my book.

  92. 92.

    raven

    December 10, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    @Another Holocene Human: She quit.

  93. 93.

    Woodrowfan

    December 10, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    @shortstop: fortunately they are not my friends, but other people posting on friends pages. Of course some of them have Jesus stuff all over their own pages even as they defend torture. One of the most angry (ALL BETS ARE OFF!) is a gay guy and his page is full of likes and photos from various equality campaigns. He hates discrimination! except, apparently, when it’s killing brown Muslims…

  94. 94.

    Elizabelle

    December 10, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    @raven:

    Not willingly, apparently. Folio has put up some resignation-related emails from O’Connor. Oh, and it gets better — she takes a swipe at the college president on the way out.

    Saturday, O’Connor to Caryn Beck-Dudley, Dean of FSU’s College of Business:

    Caryn

    Just a quick note to tell you that I am sending my official letter of resignation effective at the close of this semester later today. I am away from computer.

    I talked to Jack.

    Is there any chance the story can be suppressed to minimize further injury to my reputation? I think I have paid the price for my ill chosen words.

    Thanks and Go Noles

    Debbie

    ]

    It’s the intertoobs, Debbie. The dean gets back to her; a chill is in the air:

    Deborah,

    I accept your voluntary resignation. In doing so, I am not agreeing with or admitting to any statements that you have made in your emails which contain several untrue statements and misrepresentations.

    Caryn

    The formal resignation email follows, and FSU coughed it up today at a reporter’s request. There was apparently a livelier one earlier from Deborah that we do not yet see.

    Dear Dean Beck-Dudley,

    I am tendering my resignation effective at the end of the present semester. I do this with a heavy heart, having graduated with a Masters and a Ph.D. from Florida State and having taught in the College of Business for 18 years.

    Please see my previous email which I want entered into an official record to defend myself against these charges from an email written by Colin Lively of NYC regarding a FB dispute. I believe I have done an excellent job at FSU, and this one incident is the only black mark I have every had on an employment record in the 40 years I have been employed. It hurts me deeply that I was not given a fair hearing in front of administration reps, but I sense that “the path of least resistance” is for me to resign to forestall a litigation, although I must emphasize that I do NOT believe the punishment fits the “crime.”

    As a supporter of FSU since 1975, I feel cheated and betrayed. I have supported [THERE APPEARS TO BE A REDACTION HERE] and President Thrasher when many were complaining that they were unfit for their jobs. I love FSU and will continue my loyalty to her forever.

    Sincerely,

    Deborah O’Connor

    Twere not Colin Lively that wrote the email to FSU president et al; it was one of his Facebook friends, Susie Sharp, but details, details.

  95. 95.

    ranchandsyrup

    December 10, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    I found it difficult to leave for work this morning because I was watching these two snuggle.

  96. 96.

    Elizabelle

    December 10, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Linky for the above; Folio with the Deborah O’Connor resignation emails.

  97. 97.

    shortstop

    December 10, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    @Elizabelle: Excellent and hilarious editorializing.

  98. 98.

    Elizabelle

    December 10, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    @shortstop: Not often emails of that sort are so entertaining.

  99. 99.

    cokane

    December 10, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    Santorum will be the 2016 GOP nominee.

  100. 100.

    Bob In Portland

    December 10, 2014 at 6:28 pm

    IMF reforms in Ukraine sound a lot like Republicans’ ideas. I wonder how it will work out.

  101. 101.

    mdblanche

    December 10, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    I can only speak for myself, but I never doubted you about Santorum running so much as I doubt you that this Zoidberg of candidates will be accepted as the official GOP Next in Line.

  102. 102.

    El Caganer

    December 10, 2014 at 7:25 pm

    2016: A Tidal Wave Of Santorum!

  103. 103.

    grandpa john

    December 10, 2014 at 9:50 pm

    I take the approach that immigration policy in America ought to be about Americans,” he said. “The principal focus of immigration policy is not about the rest of the world. It’s about us.”

    Good ol Rick , nothing like starting off with a gaffe. I do imagine that most Mexicans,Canadians and residents of Central and South American countries also consider themselves to be Americans

  104. 104.

    Patricia Kayden

    December 10, 2014 at 10:27 pm

    @ranchandsyrup: Awww!

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