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— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) September 15, 2015
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— CNN (@CNN) September 16, 2015
"4. At some point, @jaketapper winks at the camera then blows a soft kiss in your direction…" https://t.co/1AWHvSjZEL
— Daniel Drezner (@dandrezner) September 16, 2015
Here’s another debate thread with some predictions – Anne Laurie’s Internet dropped and I (mistermix) am posting it for her.
Baud
I blame Obama. #GOPdebate
Baud
USA — Under the dome!
Mike J
Is “I (mistermix)” is the sequel to I, Claudius?
Chris
I don’t usually watch these debates.
Man, the moderators are just BLATANT about trying to start fights.
MomSense
I read the title of this post as 11 Republicans Smoking Crack. The debate suddenly made sense.
Morzer
@Mike J:
I can’t wait for Livia’s Diary.
Jeffro
Wow they are really loving Rubio Fiorina and Carson aren’t they ?
Baud
@MomSense: that would be an improvement.
raven
@Jeffro: Worse for Hucker.
Morzer
Trump is surprisingly untroubled by Cruz’s pointy nose exploring the yuuge inner recesses of the Trump Asscrack.
Morzer
@Jeffro:
Well, you know that the GOP is the real party of diversity…..
Schlemazel
@MomSense:
Republicans making you want to take smack.
Tie me off Lenny
NotMax
For any who might have heard of the Chilean earthquake and possible tsunami heading to Hawaii –
We’re under a tsunami watch, not a warning. No confirmation of tsunami waves generated yet.
That’s 12 hours from now.
Keith G
@Morzer:
I am sure no one else (esp. his wives) never ventured there.
Elizabelle
I’m just thinking about Chile.
They have worse problems tonight than we do.
Fiorina: why have Democrats not solved this (immigration) problem?
During that magic year, just after an economic crash and during an active war. Yes, Let’s have put more on the plate.
But you won’t even admit what was going on in 2008-9, will you?
Morzer
@Elizabelle:
Possibly because the Republican donor corporate bosses don’t actually want them to?
Elizabelle
Hewlett Packard. Bingo squares.
mai naem mobile
Carly may just be the 2016 veep. Don’t think her business record would work for the top spot. The Donald looks pretty flushed tonight? He looks like hes either perspiring or got shiny make up on.
Elizabelle
@Morzer: They all talk “border security”. E-verify.
If we were jailing and majorly fining employers, that would dry up the supply of jobs, which is the magnet. But that is never, ever, ever mentioned. GOP don’t want to turn off the illegal workers spigot either.
Morzer
Fascinating to see noted constitutional scholar with exotic pet on head Rand Paul agreeing with noted constitutional scholar with exotic pet on head Donald Trump re: the 14th amendment.
Baud
@Morzer:
So that’s where Carly gets her material from.
Capri
Just wanted to go on record thanking Chris Hayes for not opening with the debate and covering a wide number ot topics. One of his better shows. Unfortunately, Rachel didn’t exhibit the same restraint.
David Koch
Trump is just burying Fiorina.
MomSense
@Baud:
This is really weird, right?
@Schlemazel:
Watching these wahoos for three hours is probably worse for my brain than taking smack.
Botsplainer
Go Carly!
raven
@Capri: Yea because I’m sure the host determines what is on the show.
Keith G
@Capri:
The two nouns in the above sentence can not exist in the same galaxy.
Botsplainer
Shit, Christie says something right.
David Koch
6 of them fighting over the mic is really presidential
Baud
Christie is an empty suit. Has he expressed a single idea?
MomSense
@NotMax:
Oh God.
JPL
What happened to Huck?
MomSense
@Botsplainer:
Drink!
Waldo
Wow — Christie wins the Big Mansplainer on Campus award
Jeffro
I’m telling you, even my kids are able to see through these people…
Oh and here is another chance for Carly to stick her claim (this time rebutting Christie). I may have been wrong in my earlier prediction that Rubio was going to be the most fluffed candidate on the stage but it looks like it’s going to be Carly
Baud
@JPL:
Childhood trauma?
Morzer
Ah, Trump and Carly the Bloody going at each other over their business records. Popcorn futures are soaring YUUUGELY!
gene108
@Baud:
He’s going for sound bites. He doesn’t need any ideas.
Helen
Did Kasich just say there was a 5 trillion SURPLUS in the federal budget? No there wasn’t. WTF is he talking about?
Morzer
@efgoldman:
We definitely need more than six Baud-on-Baud debates.
JPL
Kasich is now talking about the Clinton years but he’s taking credit.
Jeffro
Kaisch: I wouldn’t make a bad moderate Democrat, would I?
scav
There were eleven on the screen and the little one Screamed “Roll Over! “Roll Over!”
So they all rolled over and One Fell Out.
David Koch
kasich putting people to sleep. he’s a human sominex.
Baud
@Morzer:
That sounds like something Santorum would hate.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: No, that’s Walker’s bald spot.
And I think I made the right decision in watching Breathless.
mai naem mobile
I don’t want anybody hurt but,shit, I would love to have CNN absolutely have to do a breaking news thing right now and go to Hawaii for the tsunami and go to the WH and Dem governor of Hawaii for.an update.
JPL
Huck is finally asked a question and we need the sales tax.. whoops fair tax to the rich
Elizabelle
This is just so depressing.
These people are mean and shrill and unqualified.
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: Are you sure the suit is empty? I thought it was spilling over.
PeakVT
Hard to believe the election is still over 13 months away. That’s really the main story for me: we collectively (and the media especially) has pretty much forgotten there is a difference between campaigning and governance.
gene108
Poor Huckabee. He get bitch slapped hard by the Club for Growth in 2008, ’cause he had to raise taxes in Arkansas to comply with a state Supreme Court decision to better fund Arkansas schools.
Now he’s gone to the Fair Tax.
NotMax
@MomSense
Not to worry. Can easily weather it should anything of any magnitude arrive at all. At 3 in the a.m., the coastal roads will be all but deserted anyway.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Helen: It was a projected surplus for 2010, then shrub was elected.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: Kinky.
Botsplainer
I’m getting another goddamned drink.
Yes, I think I want to lay on the couch and yak on the floor. These people suck. The only decent human on that stage is Carson, and he is a moron.
Keith G
Now Chile has an exploding volcano.
Man, are they fucked
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
He can wink at the audience while refudiating himself.
David Koch
Jeb! – completely silent. He really is low energy.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: I am catching up with NYT’s NYFW coverage, then some stargazing in the back yard with a telescope. Clowns scare me so I cannot watch the Republican debate.
mai naem mobile
OMG, Rands hairpiece looks awful tonight. He needs to talk to Carlys hairstylist pronto.
Baud
@Morzer:
Last time I did that, the police were called.
Waldo
Hey, they’re asking Walker a question about lameness — his area of expertise.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@MomSense:
It’s certainly worse for your blood pressure.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: So that’s what the kids call it these days.
Morzer
Ben Carson may be an excellent surgeon, but he comes across as a crass, greedy, ignorant son of a bitch in every other area.
JPL
Jeb really does have a lazy eye. I don’t mean to be ugly but he is just out of sorts.
David Koch
Ha! Tapper just slapped Walker for engaging in double talk
Helen
@BillinGlendaleCA:
The projected surplus was about $300 BILLION. Didn’t he say $5 TRILLION? Or did I hear wrong?
Morzer
@Baud:
Alinsky! Alinsky!
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
Ted Cruz sounds like swearing Yosemite Sam, only more unhinged.
SiubhanDuinne
@Chris:
I was listening to CNN earlier this afternoon on sat radio, and they were interviewing a number of GOP campaign advisors. It was clear that all they (CNN) were interested in was a big ole fight. “How would you advise (your candidate) to attack Trump?” “Will (your candidate) shoot back if Trump attacks him?” “Can Carly punch hard and still be seen as above the fray?”
Give me a fucking break.
Helen
@Helen:
Yep I just wound back. He said $5 TRILLION.
GregB
I schlepped over to Drudge.
Trump is winning with 54% over second place Fiorina at 18%. Cruz is third.
Rubio, Kasich, Bush and Christie are in the gutter.
The base loves Trump.
gene108
@Morzer:
His minimum wage answer was not totally bug-fuck crazy.
Walker on the other hand ays we don’t need a minimum wage. We just need people to get the skills to make more than the minimum wage. But people still need to flip burgers, so what are they supposed to make? Dumb ass.
Baud
@Morzer:
I refudiate that.
Waldo
Even with Trump, Huck and Cruz in the room, Hewitt will not be out-D-bagged.
Mary G
This debate is awful.
Mike in NC
When did CNN hire Tapper? Was it because Blitzer wasn’t enough of an embarrassment?
Elizabelle
@Keith G: That’s something, to have a big news night and CNN is locked into the Clown calvacade.
I just see commercials on MSNBC. Now it’s Rachel, with her planned program.
Fox has Tony Perkins on. Some movie coming out with a Christian theme. Gag …
gene108
Carly going all askew on Hillary…name a Hillary accomplishment…smack…
mai naem mobile
@JPL: nah, you’re confused,Walkers the one with the lazy eye. Jebs got squinty eyes.
Morzer
@GregB:
It’s a yuuuge mystery why the GOP base should prefer a fat, fake-haired, blowhard white man to the others.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
John Kasich is totally eating JEB?’s lunch in this debate. He’s doing a much better job of sounding like the reasonable grownup conservative. JEB can’t get anything out right – total fail on his part.
David Koch
quick – someone wake Jeb! up.
Baud
@GregB:
The base is right.
Elizabelle
@gene108: Walker fled the work world for government jobs at first opportunity. He has not lived it.
scav
I think the volcano may be from April. Google News hasn’t anything more recent than that date.
dedc79
I’m really glad the Republican base doesn’t trust/like Kasich b/c he would be far and away the toughest candidate for the Dem nominee to face. And no less dangerous, if elected, than any of these other psychopaths.
Elizabelle
Did Alinsky get mentioned? Is that a Bingo square?
JPL
Christie is wondering about who is going to prosecute Hillary???? hahahahahahahha
schrodinger's cat
@gene108: The other day Snooze Hour had a tubby kid in a suit
from the Enterprise Institute who also against raising minimum wage. He wanted some tax cut in instead. I think his name was Michael Strain and he was straining my credulity.
median
@gene108: So is Scott Walker advocating for free college education? How is it that people are going to “get the skills they need”? I feel like I must have missed something since I just tuned in.
Also, too, Scott Walker is stringing sentences together.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Helen: We would have paid off the debt and have an actual surplus. That was based on the declining deficits and increasing yearly surpluses.
SiubhanDuinne
@Elizabelle:
I’m still wondering why Tapper hasn’t asked a single question relate to a natural disaster somewhere else in the world. The Chilean earthquake would seem to present a natural opportunity.
But I guess in order to bring a, you know, actual breaking news event into the conversation, you would have to be an actual, you know, news person. And it’s been a long time since anyone accused Jake Tapper of being an actual news person.
Mike in NC
@David Koch: Narcoleptic
Suzanne
I think Ted Cruz is the one I hate the most. That is saying something.
Elizabelle
@dedc79: It’s a long election season. Could still happen. Unfortunately.
I’m bored and turned away. Now back: it’s a Reagan and immigration ad, soft.
If us junkies are bored, do you think the average American is going to watch all 3 hours?
This probably thrills the Fox News set, because it’s that unhinged, but it’s just …. booooring, otherwise. No actual reference points to hang on to.
JPL
Right to Rise is not going to be happy…
In the first two hours, Jeb executed what seemed like pre-approved talking points worked out in debate prep. He seemed hesitant and, when he demanded an apology to his wife from Trump, couldn’t get it. There will be real questions from political observers after tonight about the path ahead.
MomSense
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
I don’t even recognize the world they are discussing. Here’s my question. Do they believe the things they are saying or are they just lying and manipulating likely Republican voters?
scav
@SiubhanDuinne: Um, introducing reality and natural events simultaneously might really really really not be a topic they want to introduce into the arena. Too close to science.
Mandalay
Christie is acting exactly like the bore everyone avoids, who is always hunched over his glass, drinking alone at the end of the bar every night.
Just an angry, whining windbag with absolutely nothing to offer.
SiubhanDuinne
@Capri:
You know, I loves me some Rachel, but let’s face it, the words “Rachel” and “restraint” are rarely to be found in the same sentence.
Baud
@MomSense:
Yes.
SiubhanDuinne
Rubio looks about nine years old.
Morzer
@JPL:
The bush of liberty is haltered by the mud of laughers.
As Thomas Jefferson would have said.
David Koch
Rubio is like the know-it-all kid in the back of the 3rd grade who won’t stop raising his hand.
median
Listening to Donald Trump makes me long for Howard Stern to moderate a debate.
dedc79
@Elizabelle:
The fact that an apparently significant segment of the population takes any of these candidates seriously makes me question my ability to judge what the average American will or will not do.
GregB
Rubio/Netanyahu!
NotMax
@David Koch
According to Jeb lapdog correspondent, RtR, it’s all part of a cunning plan.
Like Baldrick in Blackadder but devoid of turnips, apparently.
gene108
Rubio comes off like a pissy paranoid poosssy…we’re going to get ISIS Holocausted unless we get Rubio in office…
No one likes a scaredy cat Rubio…
BillinGlendaleCA
Fuck, Marco tells me that North Korea has a missile that could hit the Reagan Library. That’s too close for comfort. And I thought that being in Seoul was risky.
MomSense
@Baud:
Answered like a true candidate for president.
mai naem mobile
@JPL: Christie’s a republican so you know its projection.just based on that.
SatanicPanic
Why is national security so important to these people? Don’t we all have GUNZ? We don’t need government to defend us
Helen
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Ok now I get it. The OMB said that if Bush did nothing and just left taxes and spending alone, within 10 years, by 2010, we would have had a $5 trillion surplus.
But that’s not exactly “when I left the feds we had a $5 trillion surplus” I guess he’s going for ‘but it coulda happened.”
Mandalay
Give credit where it’s due: Kasich actually answered a question without mentioning that he flew in Air Force One with Reagan thirty years ago.
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Those of us in Seoul thank you for reminding us. Now, why don’t you just give us all a paper cut and pour lemonjuice on it?
Origuy
@Keith G:
I think that page is a few months old. It says that Calbuco is erupting for the first time in decades. It erupted in April of this year for the first time since 1972.
RK
Trump is a businessman so he doesn’t have to know foreign policy while running for president. lol
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
We are supposed to be opposed to this, correct?
Omnes Omnibus
@NotMax:
Not completely devoid of turnips, Walker and Huck are onstage, no?
Morzer
@Helen:
Eh, five trillion here, five trillion there…
Botsplainer
@MomSense:
Thanks for helping last night, BTW. As the therapist said in first session today, “oh, she’s a narcissist.”
The only advice she could really give was “form outside interests and start living your own life again, quit trying to always make her happy, and let there be mystery about some things you do. Quit being addicted to the draw she presents.”
She didn’t sound hopeful.
I went to the grocery, came home, got no help with bringing in groceries or meal prep and got whines from the couch on me needing to interrupt work for a predinner drink for her. When I refused to plate food and carry it to the couch (a minor step), I got a bunch of sulking about me being an asshole and ruining the fun of dinner.
She’s been sulking in bed since 9. I’m thinking I’m close to done. Maybe the cervix-hammering, younger Australian dude whose name she won’t share can take her in. I’m sure he’ll take care of the stuff I do on a routine basis.
Origuy
Since it’s raining in LA, here’s what happens.
David Koch
An IT tech needs to rebuild Jeb!’s hard drive. He’s still running on Windows XP
dmsilev
@NotMax: If it helps, Jeb evidently has all the charisma of a turnip.
SatanicPanic
Lol Bush “we need to rebuild our intelligence capability”
Waldo
Holy shit is bush a mess.
gene108
Hewitt asked a real good question to Bush about how he’s different than his brother or pa…
John has loser stink…and the media smells it and wants to chew him up about it…
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: You heathen, you save the lemon juice for soju.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
Sorry it ain’t going so well. I think you would do yourself a favor by moving away from her at a prudent and deliberate velocity.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I’m 35 miles from the Reagan Library.
Morzer
@David Koch:
Jeb! is the Clippy of this debate.
Baud
I think I hate Jeb because he really makes me appreciate W. as a politician.
Right to Rise
Jeb: Peace through strength. A foreign policy like Reagan, like the 1980s, not “leading from behind”.
Waldo
W. kept us safe! wtf?!
Peale
@BillinGlendaleCA: and he is going to change that how? Poking them in the eye?
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Of course I am a heathen! I am one of those Kim Davis repressing heathen liberals.
SatanicPanic
I bet Trump was considering telling Jeb! that GWB didn’t keep us safe. You know he was thinking it
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
You are too valuable to lose.
David Koch
He kept us safe — except for 9/11, except for Iraq. Details. Details.
Keith G
@Origuy:@scav: You are right. That pic matched news photos from April in Chile. Twitter was wrong. OMG!
median
@Waldo: Don’t you remember the rubble?
Right to Rise
Jeb: W. kept us safe and strong.
Deathblow for Trump.
Morzer
@Right to Rise:
So you want to invade Grenada while suffering from Alzheimers?
Truly, an impressive foreign policy for the 21st century.
dedc79
@David Koch: Yeah. I can’t believe he said that. I can’t believe it was an applause line. I can’t believe everyone else let it go. Oh wait, of course I can believe all these things.
jl
Oh boy, tuned back into debate in time to hear the Jeb? get the executive branch legacy question.
So, Jeb? is his ‘own man’ but of course, of course its a horse a horse, he’ll uses the Bush I and II foreign policy teams.
In other words, Jeb? has no new people on his team? Just the crooked loser Bush II.
And Trump plays his anti-Iraq ‘vote’.
Edit: Jeb? Iraq splat 2!
GregB
My brother standing in the rubble of the worst terrorist attack in America ever that happened while he was President was keeping us safe.
Fuck.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: That’s what I told the mrs, scary thought shrub is the smart one.
Botsplainer
Blearily refocusing for a moment on !JEB.
SOFA agreement done by your bro, man.
SatanicPanic
JEB! is drowning. OMG I almost feel bad
Right to Rise
The firefighter. Arm around the shoulder. The ruble.
Do you remember? After 9/11, do you remember? We thought other attacks were coming.
They never did.
That’s peace through strength.
That’s Bush.
Morzer
@Right to Rise:
Sure, what’s a botched invasion, a major terrorist attack and a collapsed economy between friends?
Waldo
@David Koch: Can’t believe Trump didn’t knock that one out of the park.
tazj
@gene108: I love how Rubio complained that nothing was being done to help families living paycheck to paycheck. Hello, your party controls the legislature and does nothing but take votes defunding Obamacare and Planned Parenthood.
Baud
No Republican knows what the word “existential” means.
SatanicPanic
Is Trump OK? he’s been leaning hard on that podium
BillinGlendaleCA
@Right to Rise:
Except for the little problem on 9/11.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Botsplainer: Wow. That’s surely sounds like hell. And an illustration of the therapist’s description.
Right to Rise
Jeb just turned weakness into strength with the 9/11 reference.
Beautiful.
Patrick
@Baud:
I don’t like politicians like Jeb that believes in BIG government. Kind of like the way Jeb did in telling the Schiavo’s that government knew better than Terri Schiavo in how she should die.
Betty Cracker
@GregB: I actually yelled at the TV screen when he said that. “Where did the rubble come from, motherfucker?!?!?”
Right to Rise
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Trump whiffed, didn’t he? Lol.
Botsplainer
@Morzer:
Probably should have stuck with that awesome apartment I had deposited in February.
I got suckered.
Baud
@Right to Rise:
Definitely his best moment. Congratulations!
Right to Rise
@Betty Cracker:
Too bad, too sad Trump didn’t take that tact eh?
Instead all people remember will be the prolonged and stormy applause, and the warm nostalgic reference to the leadership displayed by GWB in the Autumn of 2001, comforting a nation in need.
Suck it, Trump.
David Koch
Ask New Orleans about that.
Renie
I can’t believe Jeb just said his brother kept us safe. Does he not recall 911 – the worst terrorist attack on American soil happened during his brother’s administration!!! And the audience applauded him when he said that.
These people are insane.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
As we were reminded last Friday, on 9/11. Never forget! BTW – who was our President?
Suzanne
Bush kept us safe?!?!
Someone actually said that?!?!
War is peace. Good is bad. Up is down. BWAHAHAHAHAAA.
I Should be working.
dww44
@mai naem mobile: On LOD show, his eminence, Chuck Todd, says Carly was the winner. Plaudits across the board for her. I truly have never trusted or believed anything that Todd has ever said. Did she win the debate?
Mandalay
Carson: “I haven’t been to the White House in seven years. I’d probably have to have a food tester”.
Fuck off you Uncle Tom.
Right to Rise
@Patrick:
Again, too bad, too sad Trump didn’t take that opening.
Trump is an amateur.
Jeb just turned his last name from a weakness to a strength.
Almost…Rovian…you might say!
jl
Jen? says Dub ‘kept us safe’ and gets a huge round of applause?
Walker uses his brave and intrepid Wisconsin anti union fight to get cred on foreign policy again.
Lordy. This is like a really bad hallucination.
Anyone going to call Jeb? on his BS on recent Iraq history.
Some one should note that Jeb?’s ‘comprehensive’ foreign policy speech at the Reagan mausoleum left out a word on how he would stop Iran from getting a nuke after he ‘tore up’ the Iran agreement.
JPL
I so wish someone would mention who got Osama… won’t happen though
NotMax
@Right to Rise
When you hear Chinese, stop digging.
What a maroon.
Ever hear of an imbroglio called Iran-Contra?
Right to Rise
September 11, 2001…Jeb just used it, gave Trump an opening, and Trump whiffed.
LOL!
Shows who the real professionals in this race are.
JPL
Carson is finished..
Patrick
@Renie:
The audience was weird the entire night. Trump has a huge lead in the polls, yet he never received any applause. Jeb Bush, who once again had a pathetic night, received huge applause for just standing there.
It seemed the audience was hand-picked by the establishment Republicans.
MomSense
@Botsplainer:
Time for you to do nice things for you. You’re a good guy and it is demoralizing to be taken for granted.
Find some things that give you joy. You don’t even have to ask her to go with you! You can try new things and meet new people. For whatever reason, she can’t see the real you right now. It sounds like she is choosing to see you as the source of her unhappiness. Easier to blame you than face her own crap. We all do this to some extent but this sounds too unhealthy and its ok for you to take care of yourself.
dww44
@Capri: Chris has been my personal beacon of sanity in this regards for a few weeks. Rachel always leads with presidential politics and mostly the GOP one. It’s old.
jl
@Right to Rise: Your mad spoof skills are coming along, DougJ. Had some misses, but also some good yucks tonight.
GregB
The Insane Fascist Posse.
BillinGlendaleCA
Wait, Marco says the Sini is in Libya? I haz a confused.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
Who? Jeb with 5% and in 6th place?
Omnes Omnibus
@Right to Rise:
Tack, you illiterate fuckwit.
Right to Rise
@NotMax:
Arm around the firefiighter in the ruble.
Holding up the police officer’s badge in front of the Joint Session of Congress.
“Dead or Alive”.
A strong, but soft touch, comforting a nation in need.
Jeb just awakened the warmest feelings this nation has about his brother.
Game over.
Jeb wins the debate.
BTW, that 9/11 quip was planned, and it will be used in TV ads.
MomSense
@efgoldman:
VP efgoldman!
median
@JPL: Agreed. You can’t argue for the power of intellect over the power of bombing.
Omnes Omnibus
@Renie: He is also forgetting anthrax.
Right to Rise
@Patrick:
Wait until the 9/11 ad.
Arm around the firefighter. Do you remember? Lol.
Jeb wins. It’s 2004 all over again…
David Koch
@dww44: no. they’re trying to build her up because they love how she attacks Hillary. the one uniting principal of the Beltway media is Clinton-hate.
RK
Walker can make tapioca look charismatic.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
Hillary Clinton can take that quote and plaster some heart-breaking images from 9/11 in a relentless ad against Jeb Bush.
JPL
These folk have no clue who ISIL is…
Botsplainer
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Shoulda heard the therapists comments on how my phone gets scoured while hers is sacrosanct.
The story on how I got talked into and naively believed the request to make a special trip buy a drugstore pregnancy test because “your vasectomy may have been undone by the tubes growing back together” makes me feel truly fucking naive; I thought I detected the look of “are you an idiot” from the therapist.
Marc
Yup, because what America wants is Iraq War 2, Electric Boogaloo.
Right to Rise
@Patrick:
She’ll be portrayed as a heartless, calculating bitch exploiting a national tragedy if she does that.
Know how this business works, son. Know the rules.
schrodinger's cat
@Right to Rise: We also remember Katrina and Mission Accomplished.
NotMax
@Right to Rise
In a pig’s eye.
Loosen the straps on those rose-colored glasses, they’re obviously seriously constricting blood flow to the brain..
BillinGlendaleCA
@Right to Rise: Wait until the ad that reminds folk who was President on 9/11/2001.
Right to Rise
@schrodinger’s cat:
Middle America swing voters give fuck-all about the Ninth Ward.
JPL
haha.. Kasich is now talking about nothing or something.. I can’t figure out which.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
From talkingpointsmemo.com
They know a tad more about politics, polls than you do…
JPL
Now Carly is giving her views with exact numbers but refusing to shut up.
schrodinger's cat
@Botsplainer: I must have missed something. What happened? You don’t sound good. Take care of yourself.
MomSense
@Right to Rise:
What does Russian currency have to do with it?
Baud
@JPL:
I don’t think he’s doing as well as last time.
jl
@Patrick: I didn’t hear that Jeb? was willing or able to make a reply after several GOPers tore up his crooked incompetent bother’s crooked and incompetent Iraq invasion. After Jeb? basically said ‘of course’ he uses his Bush familiy’s legacy foreign policy team.
I would not know what to with that kind of victory.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Botsplainer: Any more cool apartments in the Peoples’ Islamic Socialist Republic of Louisville? Sounds like it’s time for serious shopping.
GregB
Nice to see Rand Paul kick the Saudi government in the teeth. Said it out loud.
mai naem mobile
@Patrick: uhm, get with the GOP.program :Clinton was president up till 9/11 and Obama was president during Katrina and the financial crash.
Renie
@Right to Rise: Bush didn’t keep us safe. I really get pissed off when you conservatives conveniently forget 911 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH!!!! I lost friends and neighbors on 911 so don’t shoot off your b.s here.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl:
Call it Pyrrhic.
Just One More Canuck
@Right to Rise: Always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
You sound worse than Donald Trump in talking about women…I can see why your candidate Jeb Bush is having such problems in the polls.
Right to Rise
@Renie:
Swing voters in Ohio remember the heartwarming images of the arm around the firefighter and the bullhorn.
And that’s what matters. Not what you think.
Mandalay
@JPL:
I had thought he might actually present a threat to Democrats if he got the nomination. Not any more.
Keith G
John Roberts….your boys are sticking in the shiv.
Right to Rise
@Patrick:
“Bitch” was one of the top words that came to mind in swing voter focus groups (of BOTH genders) when the name “Hillary Clinton” was mentioned.
Learn the rules.
Learn…the….rules.
Mary G
Jeb is really politically tone-deaf. Saying Roberts is a good Supreme Court judge will really tick off the base.
Patricia Kayden
@David Koch: Lawrence O’Donnell’s guests are gushing about how great Fiorina is performing. They seem to believe she’s winning. Not watching but interesting to see how the media is pushing Fiorina.
Waldo
@RK: Heh — I keep mistaking the Walker segments for local commercial breaks.
Chris
“And you know, we’re frustrated as conservatives because we keep winning elections, and then not getting the results we want.” /Ted Cruz
Well said, Teddy.
Now follow that thought.
NotMax
@Right to Rise
The warmest feelings are white-hot loathing and contempt.
And for future reference, ruble is the currency of Russia.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
Link please. And no, it can’t be FoxNews or any other Republican news site.
MomSense
Please to make rotating tag line.
Right to Rise
@NotMax:
I don’t give a shit about typos.
Jeb just won the debate.
Won, and won big.
Trump is over.
Arm around the firefighter…the rubble…the bullhorn….solemnly promising “dead or alive”….leadership in a time of crisis.
Feelings, images, and impressions matter more than facts for swing voters.
JPL
Now Huck is up.. I don’t know why cuz he might not even get a Fox news position at this point …
gene108
Cruz is a scary fucking True Believer. The way he tore into Roberts, fuck…he truly believes what the Fundies do…
Patrick
@Patricia Kayden:
Strange to me. She would be perhaps the easiest one (other than Jeb Bush) for Clinton to run against considering her disaster tenure with HP.
Omnes Omnibus
OT: Did Belmondo smoke giant cigarettes in his films or is his head really tiny?
Full metal Wingnut
@SiubhanDuinne: he looks young, but my favorite part is his constant deer in headlights look.
Mike J
@Omnes Omnibus: He rolled them pretty loose.
mai naem mobile
@Botsplainer: You really need to see a family lawyer, start protecting assets,continue with the therapy and cut her loose. She sounds like my crazy SIL who I wish would become my ex-SIL for all the crap shes put my brother,niece.and entire extended family through.
median
Nice to hear the 14th amendment mentioned in a positive light. Thanks, Huck.
Right to Rise
@efgoldman:
Nobody of any importance gives a flying shit about the Lower Ninth Ward. Bush’s approval rating dropped after Katrina due to gas prices rising, not because of Michael Brown.
And nobody blames Bush for 9/11.
The outcome of Iraq can easily be blamed on Obama with enough ad money.
Stop confusing Ohio and Florida undecideds and swing voters with the Democrat base.
Suck…on….that.
Baud
@Right to Rise:
I hope you’re right.
dmsilev
@efgoldman: RtR has successfully predicted eight out of the last none Trump collapses.
Mandalay
@Patricia Kayden:
I do as well, though TBF most of the others are completely mediocre.
She more than held her own against Trump, knows her shit as well as any of them, and mostly looks presidential. The only thing is that every now and again she starts getting carried away, and I’m waiting for her to cry or throw something. She just needs to calm down a bit.
JPL
@efgoldman: If he/she is getting paid by Bush, it just shows how incompetent Jeb is.
MomSense
@efgoldman:
If it’s not DougJ and the Jeb! campaign thinks the way to influence thought leaders is by posting nonsense here–his campaign is seriously doomed.
Shaun Appleby
For those who care about such things Cruz’ comprehensively demolished the whole Bush family on conservative SCOTUS nominations; ouch.
Jeffro
@Suzanne:
He is absolutely the worst of the lot – willing to say anything, ramp up The Fear to 11, flat out lie, and more – all in the service of Cruz.
jl
Is RtR saying that Jeb? will have to rely on copying his brother’s 911 first responder political ads to get out of the problem created by his brother’s disastrous foreign policy decisions?
Edit: Well, RtR ‘knows the rules’ so I guess that will work.
RK
Ted Cruz wants to bring back the rack for Supreme Court nominees.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
Not sure why I am bothering but…Couldn’t enough ad money easily blame Bush for 9/11? By the way, what color is the sky in your world?
Still haven’t seen a link from your so called focus group…
Right to Rise
@jl:
Pretty much.
And it’s going to work beautifully.
Did you hear the applause? Biggest of the night. And Trump was flabbergasted.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Right to Rise:
“The buck stops here”.
Morzer
@Right to Rise:
Dick Cheney’s hand up his ass…..
JPL
@Right to Rise: I remember that too. I also remember when Jeb’s brother got Osama.
Right to Rise
@Patrick:
Nope.
Hillary attacking Jeb for 9/11 would be a cold, calculating, exploitation of a tragedy very typical of a Clinton.
Jeb Bush referencing the same would be merely a warm, passionate, “high-energy” defense of his brother’s legacy.
Learn the rules, bitches.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: That rule only applies to Democrats.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Mandalay:
Now that you mention it, he DOES remind me of Corner Stone.
Jeffro
@Patrick:
I could swear I heard something to that effect by the commentators in the interim between the kids’ table debate and the main event.
Turns out to have been quite prophetic.
NotMax
@Right to Rise
We don’t give a shit about your hot Jeb fantasies.
Such a sad, sad clueless one-trick pony.
Waldo
Jeb could have used a toke before he took the stage.
jl
It’s DougJ
Mike J
@Omnes Omnibus: She’s got a Princess Leia hairdo.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
So you got nothing, eh. Are you sure you are not Baghdad Bob?
Morzer
@Right to Rise:
Oh DougJ, sometimes you just try too hard, you big, grumpy, lovable hunk of man-flesh, you!
Kay
It’s Bernie Sanders, from the Debate with Bernie series :)
I cannot read him without hearing how he talks.
twitter.com/BernieSanders
Mandalay
Christie says invading Iraq was the right thing to do.
Carson wants an indexed link minimum wage.
Jeb! admits to smoking pot forty years ago.
They’re all hellbent on not getting the nomination.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: C’est vrai.
Renie
@Right to Rise: It was a smoldering pile in NEW YORK CITY not Ohio a$$hole! And the jerk told us to go shopping. You are obviously some 16 year old who knows nothing of history just trying to earn pennies as a JEB troll.
Morzer
@jl:
Yeah, DougJ’s weakness is the syntax. It’s always a little bit too sophisticated.
Cacti
@Right to Rise:
So, when will Jeb start being seen in public with his bro?
For some reason, he hasn’t wanted him around so far.
median
Rand Paul has a lovely, casual, “Fuck all you fascists,”
attitude about him.
Keith G
These idiots are fighting like toothless, epileptic pit bulls to see who can win the temporary love of less that 1/4 of US voters, while clearly saying things that eviscerate their legitimacy to over 1/2 of the voters.
Botsplainer
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
May even be something in that building, but the dog is 5 pounds over at the moment, and looks even bigger. It’s an issue.
She’ll be gone far, far away for about a month starting second week of October. I’m going diving by myself in Mexico the third week of October.
When I come back, I can make hard decisions and have some room to breathe. If she can’t see that taking me for granted is fucked up, I shouldn’t have to draw a flowchart.
Honest to the Goddess, as I said today, I’m not torqued about the sex. She’s a gorgeous, accomplished woman who oozes appeal, accomplished men are gonna flock and she’s away 2.5 to 3 months a year, 2-3 weeks a time, mostly in Australia. What pisses me off is being treated like an afterthought on the best day, like shit in general. She doesn’t get to have everything her way while treating me as a whipping boy.
Mike in NC
JEB! failed to phone it in tonight. What’s the Spanish word for LOSER? He’s now polling behind Christie. That is amazing.
Anoniminous
@Right to Rise:
GOPers lost Ohio and Florida in 2008 and 2012. Stop confusing your swing voters with the GOP base.
Patrick
@Jeffro:
It seemed they overdid it with their applause for the establishment and their utter silence for the non-establishment. It can cause a backlash among voters who are watching on TV. It will be interesting to see what the polls say in the next day or two.
Marc
@Morzer: He needs more typos and more caps lock. Even the master of trolling can use some pointers.
beltane
@Renie: On some level, conservatives know perfectly well that Bush stood by passively as this country was being raped by OBL. Instead of confronting their feelings of shame and vulnerability in an honest manner, they have fetishized 9/11 as being the Great Patrotic Holy Day while chanting the mantra “Bush kept us safe.” Bush did not keep us safe. Bush allowed the US to be violently penetrated by foreign terrorists. If conservatives truly felt that Bush kept them safe, they would not have reacted to 9/11 by becoming the cowering pants-pissers they are today.
Jeffro
@Jeffro: Btw not that it matters much, but in an earlier thread I said Rubio would get softballs and be praised by the pundits, with Fiorina only slightly less so. Ahem. So I had it backwards, but I still got the correct 2 out of 11.
Also, there should be a few “Christie’s BACK!” articles tomorrow. It won’t mean anything, I’m just sayin’…
Mandalay
@SiubhanDuinne:
He’s grown since the last debate then.
Omnes Omnibus
@Renie: If you must engage with the troll, try to do so in a spirit of mockery or derision. Don’t let it get to you.
patroclus
I’m thinking Rand Paul is winning this debate. He seems like the only adult in the room.
Frankensteinbeck
@Renie:
Bush didn’t even keep us safe after 9/11. There were more terrorist attacks on US soil.
Shaun Appleby
@Keith G: My kind of entertainment.
Botsplainer
@mai naem mobile:
Irony of irony, guess who is a superbly competent family lawyer who has a blind spot to his own shit.,,.
Suzanne
@Jeffro: I am watching on my DVR, so I am a bit behind all y’all. I am trying to decide who makes me puke the least.
Haydnseek
@Right to Rise: Are you paid in shiny new pennies or small, one gram bindles of Cheeto dust?
Jeffro
@Patrick: I don’t think anti-establishment sentiment can get much higher in the GOP – they’re pushing 60-65% as it is. If anything, some of the Trump support may shift a bit to Carson or Fiorina but I doubt it. Should be a wash between Carson and Trump, anyway. More likely, the remaining Walker and Christie voters might shift to Fiorina (plus some of Bush’s voters) and show a bump in her support at their expense.
It’s fitting that Huck and Paul were over on the same side next to each other, looking pretty bored and spouting unimportant platitudes for most of the debate. Grifters gotta grift, after all.
jl
@Cacti: Well, Jeb? is his own man, but of course he will use the Bush famiiy legacy foreign policy team, and he’ll hide behind his brother for sympathy if anyone attacks the horrible decision to invade Iraq of his negligence before the 911 attack.
I guess it might work.
Turning off the sound again. Too damn much dishonesty and insanity this debate.
Tapper should have been yanked from the stage after the first half hour.
Anoniminous
Oh Lord, now they are talking about THE DEMON WEED!
beltane
@Keith G:
Those words also describe the Republican base, a group of people who resemble “sharp-shy” dogs in their combined traits of fear and viciousness.
Cacti
@beltane:
Between 9/11 and Katrina, about 5,000 innocent people died.
Dubya failed miserably at keeping us safe. The right wing fall back of “Bush kept us safe” is an attempt to shout down their own cognitive dissonance.
Mike in NC
@Right to Rise: Trump’s numbers are going to close on 50%, while JEB! goes to Kennebunkport to breast feed.
Jeffro
@Suzanne: That really ought to be Kaisch, the moderate Democrat. YMMV.
Debbie
@efgoldman:
Your numbers should include the almost 1.5 million Iraquis who have had nothing to do with 9/11.
Omnes Omnibus
@Anoniminous: It’s still happening?
@Mike in NC: FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK! I now have a mental image in my head that all the booze in the house won’t erase.
Botsplainer
Blearily refocusing, did Rubio learn to speak by a tent revival speaker?
MomSense
@Suzanne:
Cruz is by far the creepiest, but Huckabee isn’t far behind. I wouldn’t let either of them dog sit.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Botsplainer:
You may not read down this far, but ever since I figured out WTF is wrong with my nieces’ mother (flaming NPD), I’ve been reading this Reddit board:
reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/
Most of the people who post are the children of toxic narcissists or people with other cluster B disorders (like borderline personality) but the sidebar has a lot of great resources about dealing with narcissists. Unfortunately, the prognosis is not good if it’s NPD, because you’re dealing with a person who is literally unable to be self-critical. You’d be better off if she had BPD (borderline personality). Good luck.
Debbie
@Debbie:
Dammit. 1.5 million dead Iraquis.
RK
Ted Cruz is a clumsy politician. Rubio is the best packaged, at least in these small bursts.
Brandon
So…. since Fiorina shared her annectdote about a drug addicted step-daughter, when is Jeb! going to discuss his daughters substance abuse problems? I would guess never.
And why is Bob Dole the last Republicans candidate the did not have an obviously whacked out family?
hilts
@Chris:
“the moderators are just BLATANT about trying to start fights.”
Jake Tapper should be arrested for impersonating a journalist. He has set a new low for presidential debate moderators. Instead of wasting time asking questions, he should have just jumped on top of the table at the beginning of the debate and screamed FOOD FIGHT!
.
Felonius Monk
@Right to Rise: JEB??? Who?
dww44
@Morzer: I’ve never believed that surgeons had any claim on personal exceptionalism beyond the narrow parameters of their technical skills Carson shows me nothing,yet I’ve seen his sticker on the big white diesel pick-up trucks driven by white guys of a certain age who inhabit these parts. I’m somewhat amused, but mostly befuddled.
Keith G
The misappropriated ol’ cliches just keep on coming.
Right to Rise
Loving the George W. hate-orgy going on here.
Brings back the good ole’ days of impotent liberal rage.
And they’ll soon start again.
Happy Days are Here Again…
Anoniminous
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yes.
And I want a goddamn medal and a pension for continuing to listen to this shyte.
Kay
Very discreetly. Which is why Jake Tapper is tweeting it. Was the tape on the floor? So did he have to get down on the floor to draw it?
Frankensteinbeck
@Debbie:
While their deaths are both tragedies and crimes belong on George Bush’s doorstep, they don’t count in the ‘kept us safe’ equation.
BillinGlendaleCA
I guess Marco thinks everyone in CA is a billionaire, (looks at bank balance), eh no Marco.
Suzanne
@Jeffro: I have definitely been leaning toward Kasich as the least bad. But I did think Paul had a moment I appreciated, when he pointed out that both Bashar al-Assad and ISIS are bad and that we shouldn’t help either of them.
JPL
This is the problem with dealing with climate change.. Don’t destroy our economy but they don’t mention the future of our country..
Misterpuff
George Schultz is a dirty fucking hippie/ Chris Christie
Corner Stone
@Botsplainer: Dude. Shut the fuck up on this public forum. You aren’t anon.
And don’t wait another stupid fucking day. It’s going to end. It’s up to you to make sure it doesn’t end in a brutal fashion – for you.
Stop coddling her and stop motherfucking mollycoddling yourself. You fucking baby.
Get representation ASAP and shut your stupid fucking mouth.
Mike in NC
@Right to Rise: The ruble? Putin joke? Honestly, DougJ. Now would be a good time to go fuck yourself with this pointless trolling.
NotMax
@Right to Rise
Um, that was FDR’s campaign song.
Try harder, schmendrick.
Anoniminous
And Rubio just killed any remaining chance by not screaming against the DFH Climate Change Conspiracy.
Morzer
That’s the weak tea Rubio we all remember.
Brandon
It shocks me that Florida politicians have their heads both in the sand and up their arses on climate change. Yet I am curious how much federal dollars are currently used for beach erosion, etc. in Florida. Deny the problem, prevent appropriate policy responses yet first at the trough.
beltane
@NotMax: Conservatives always steal other people’s songs. Their own songs tend to suck.
SiubhanDuinne
@scav:
Oh yeah, silly me. Whatever could I have been thinking?
MomSense
@Mike in NC:
I’m probably the only commenter here who has done a lot of breastfeeding in Kennebunkport–but no Bushes. Nope. Not a one.
Botsplainer
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
Thank you. What the therapist told me today was resigned as opposed to curative. It was to create circumstances where I can go forward without, and that is what hurts.
Hard part is that she occasionally pulls back and I think we’re moving in a great direction. As a consequence, I impale myself routinely, and have attenuated my personal acquaintance and friend networks, to my detriment.
This is toxic.
Omnes Omnibus
@Botsplainer: @Corner Stone: CS is right. Get counsel. Do what your counsel says and keep quiet in any fora that could be traced back to you. Trade online war stories after everything is resolved.
Irony Abounds
The fact that one of these utter assholes could become President, and it isn’t that remote a possibility, is so depressing, and such a black mark against America, that the next time I hear someone talk about American Exceptionalism I may punch him or her.
Gin & Tonic
@Botsplainer: “your vasectomy may have been undone by the tubes growing back together”
I don’t mean to be rude, but you believed that? You’d have a greater chance of winning the $200M PowerBall than having that happen. Urologists are really careful about that sort of thing.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Botsplainer: I’m not certain Rubio technically learned to speak. Certainly not without sweating profusely and/or hydrating frequently.
Renie
@beltane: Thanks for posting that. Being personally affected just makes my skin crawl when people say such b.s.
Mandalay
All of them: “We are not going to do a single fucking thing about climate change!”
They’re fighting each other to jump into the wood chipper.
Clinton must be picking the new drapes and wallpaper right now.
mai naem mobile
These people are crazy. Maybe Bill Clinton conspired with Trumpy to diss.vaccines so that teabaggers’ kids would be more likely to be killed off like a Darwinian situation.
JPL
Holy crap.. they are talking about vaccines. Now Huck is giving his opinion..
What century is this?
chopper
@NotMax:
actually it appears to be *all* turnips.
Botsplainer
@Corner Stone:
Gotcha.
Tripod
@Patrick:
Yep… it would be down right Rovian to clobber him with 9/11.
dedc79
This just got serious. There are people watching this debate who are going to refuse to vaccinate their kids as a result, putting those kids and everyone else at risk.
Anoniminous
Dr. Trump needs to go back to medical school.
joel hanes
@David Koch:
[W] kept us safe — except for 9/11, except for Iraq
except for the Beltway sniper
except for anthrax in the mail
except for Katrina
Ripley
Flag on the moon. How did it get there?
JPL
@Anoniminous: Not only trump…
Renie
@Omnes Omnibus: Thanks. As I said in another post, 911 affected me personally so I do get unhinged hearing about how Bush kept us safe.
Anoniminous
Next up ….
ZOMBIE REAGAN!
I can hardly wait
Irony Abounds
Also. Too. I know it’s sexist, I know it makes me a bad person, and I know it means I’m agreeing with the Donald, but I really can’t stand looking at Carly Fiorna’s face. There is just something wrong with that face.
Mary G
Rosa Parks is rolling over in her grave that these fucks are using her name.
oldgold
CNN ought to hire Jerry Springer to host their debates.The original is always a better chance than an imitation.
Anoniminous
@JPL:
I’ll give Carson credit for injecting a badly needed dose of reality.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
Oh man, that really is bad. Time to cut losses and move forward to a better life without the gangrened limb. You can have so many great years enjoying your life. Don’t stick around for a decade of misery. Move out, change your phone number, email address, everything and only communicate via a lawyer. In six months time, you and Joe Biden can be cruising along Pennsylvania Avenue, getting tattoos and picking up hot babes together.
SiubhanDuinne
@Right to Rise:
I wish I knew how to spell the sound I just made.
beltane
@Renie: I am also originally a NYer. As far as I’m concerned, Bush opened the door of my home to intruder and then behaved erratically after the resulting attacks. I did not feel safe again until Barack Obama’s inauguration. The people who idolize Bush as every bit as much losers as he is.
Omnes Omnibus
@Renie: Not a problem. Sometimes trolls get under one’s skin. I’ve been helped by a reminder in the past.
Keith G
Thatcher!
He has been dropping acid!
joel hanes
@Right to Rise:
And nobody blames Bush for 9/11
I do.
MomSense
Jeb! is definitely taking smack. Margaret Thatcher on the $10?? One could make an argument that it would be an economical switch. The hairstyle is not that different from GW’s.
jl
Sound on.
Lighthearted questions?
Sound off
Keith G
The Mint does not do paper money, you dumb ass.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: “Ack!” or “Thbbft!” would probably work.
Morzer
And now we know that Trump likes to cuddle up to the anti-vaxxers. Might as well get all the kooks in one car, I guess.
SRW1
JEB! wants to see Maggy Thatcher on the $10 bill?
Anoniminous
Next up: what is your favorite color?
ETA: Wrong but it was just as moronically lame.
beltane
@SRW1: Well, he’s got Andrew Sullivan’s vote I guess.
Brandon
@joel hanes: The sniper is a bit of a stretch. It’s like blaming all the mass shootings the last few years on Obama. Guy was nuts and had a plot to murder his ex-wife by shooting random people first. Then got enthralled with his own publicity and got caught by trying to be too clever.
Morzer
@Keith G:
Republicans probably think that the Mint is the foil-wrapped thing you find on your bedside table in the hotel along with the coffee-like substance.
MomSense
@SiubhanDuinne:
I think we are all making this sound.
youtube.com/watch?v=gkefG2lCbqA
Tripod
Bush? 9/11? Didn’t he tell us to go shopping?
Irony Abounds
I guess I must have been asleep when our military completely disappeared into complete dreck. When did that happen and what the hell have we been spending so much money on all these years?
Brandon
@Keith G: Everyone knows that the Mint makes commemorative coins and plates.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: Count me third on this. B should know some other quite capable counsel in the field, retain one, and listen to that counsel. Whose advice will include radio silence on the matter in public. Especially places like here. It’s what B would tell a client.
We’ll of course offer tea and
sympathycongratulationssupport when everything is settled. If you want a Juicer to vent to, AL can provide my email. I found criminal practice much more civilized and pleasant than domestic, FWIW.Stacy
Cruz “Angel for my wife because she’s my angel.” His answer to what the secret service code word should be for his wife. Gag.
Botsplainer
I’m trying to figure out Rubio’s speech pattern. It reminds me of something, can’t peg it.
Morzer
And that sums it up perfectly. Sometimes reality just does the best mic drop without even trying.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: I’ve usually found them on the pillow. There’s a building in Denver that’s called the Mint. Pretty cool happenings inside.
Mike J
@Brandon: I thought they made those chocolates the hotel puts on your pillow.
JPL
@joel hanes: No shit.. Right to Rise might be to young to realize that before 9/11 a lot of corporations demanded execs to fly private .
Before Lockerbie, my ex canceled overseas flights. I’m sure it was just a coincidence.
Keith G
@Botsplainer:
Mad Cow Disease?
gelfling545
@Right to Rise: sort of like the GOP exploiting Benghazi. I see.
dedc79
And for my closing: “Reagan Israel Russia Reagan Israel Israel Reagan Russia Israel Reagan Reagan Russia God Bless America”
BillinGlendaleCA
Carson thinks Reagan was logical, must of gotten out the prescription pad out for self use.
Hey doc, those ‘free phones’ are from a Reagan era program.
Botsplainer
@dedc79:
And the Troops.
Amen…
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Criminal practice with professional criminals is actually quite civilized. The defendants often know the rules of evidence quite well and consider time a cost of doing business. Luckily, I’ve only touched on the edges of domestic and it’s a vicious world.
Felonius Monk
@SiubhanDuinne:
Spell it any way you want. I just hope it didn’t leave a mark.
SiubhanDuinne
@Right to Rise:
You’re the…laughing helicopter….guy, aren’t you?
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: He hasn’t faxed his credenza yet, so we can’t be sure.
GregB
Is it true Chris Christie proposed Mrs. Butterworth on the $10.00 bill?
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Close, but more snorty.
CaseyL
I want to thank everyone who watched this, so the rest of us didn’t have to.
The chance that any of these ignorant, corrupt, evil-minded pinheads might become President makes me sick to my stomach.
Haydnseek
@Keith G: That’s okay. Five second rule applies to more than food.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
But the…ellipses….are a clue.
Morzer
So we now know that Jeb is still a runt, that Walker might as well not bother to show up, that Kasich is (mostly) running in the wrong primary, and that Ted Cruz should probably marry the legendary bust of Churchill. All this and a free helping of eleven varieties of nuts.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: “Snorglehack!”?
Brandon
Meh. Debate, schmate.
Mary G
These closing statements are making me want to barf.
scav
Pop Poll. Who won the race for most untethered unreality with agreesive rage-fueled shock appeal: Candidates or Network?
Mandalay
Rubio, Jeb! and Fiorina all reciting paragraphs of swill that they have clearly memorized.
Don’t their handlers tell them how blindingly obvious that ploy is?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Omnes Omnibus: I made a single domestic appearance and it was at the appellate level, at request of counsel. Her client was fine with it as he was an LEO who’d worked with me. It was over who paid atty fees for the first appeal and subsequent squabbling. It confirmed my peripheral experience of the nastiness of the arena. Our side prevailed on the fee issue on appeal, at least.
Anoniminous
I did my civic duty and watched this stupid train wreck.
JEB! didn’t do himself any favors. He won’t lose support but I doubt he gained any.
Trump did OK. He should pick up support from the below 4% crowd as they drop out.
Carson did OK. He should pick up & ditto.
Kaisch, Walker, Paul, Rubio, Christie, and Huckabee are toast. I imagine they’ll stay in as long as the grift keeps flowing.
Fiorina came across as mad crazy lady so she should get a bump from her 2.5% but not enough to do anything.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mary G: Especially the Demon Sheep lady(starts the Colbert barfing bit).
Brandon
When Trump promises “more of everything” you kind of have to believe him considering his track record. It’s his life’s work.
Beatrice
I did get one thing out of this evening, I am now 99% sure the troll is a parody.
Keith G
@Mandalay:
Well, considering the evidence that has been placed before us…either the message is not being given or it is falling on infertile soil.
Mandalay
Kasich deserves a special mention for telling the biggest lie of the evening: “America is run from the bottom up”.
Botsplainer
@Omnes Omnibus:
Normally, I’m better than this. I’ve sobered a little and am humiliated to realize I just broke about a dozen of my own sacrosanct rules.
What’s worse is that it took CS to point it out. I’ll never live it down.
Suzanne
@Botsplainer: I celebrated my divorce by going out and getting laid. May I suggest that.
MomSense
@Mary G:
See my comment above. I don’t even know how to evaluate the debate.
jl
@scav: CNN Tapper, and the whole moderating team’s approach to the debate was horrible. As I asked before, why was not Tapper pulled off the air a half hour in?
I just turned the sound on again. Is this train wreck still burning, or are they playing clips?
OK, I guess it just ended. See them walking off stage now.
Now CNN is doing postgame sideline interviews?
Trump just said CNN did well. That is one lie that might come back to haunt him.
Trump is gracious and merciful in victory. He knows how to sell himself.
Anyone making a score card of how many egregious lies each one of them, including Trump, told tonight? Or is that a large cardinal problem?
Omnes Omnibus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I got sent to a couple of hearings at my first firm by the one partner who did domestic work. He would tell me that I was appearing just to get a continuance that everyone was okay with. The judge would get pissed but know that I was not ready to proceed and would grant the continuance while telling me to tell the partner that he was not pleased. I left that firm fairly quickly.
Renie
Is this the first time a thread has hit 400 posts!!!
Morzer
@jl:
We’d need a couple of walls as wide as Mexico for that to be possible.
Botsplainer
@Omnes Omnibus:
No good deed goes unpunished.
jl
@MomSense:
” I don’t even know how to evaluate the debate.”
Some Founders quotes come to mind/
Alexander Hamilton: “a spectacle both hilarious and disgusting”.
James Madison: :a tragedy or a farce, or, perhaps, both”.
Botsplainer
God, how much do these people get paid to pundit?
Omnes Omnibus
@Botsplainer: You know what your advice would be. Go get it from someone else. Every word on the topic here pr elsewhere on the ‘net is dangerous. Let us know how it works out.
NotMax
@Renie
Nope. Sometimes, but rarely, even surpass the so-called Tbogg unit of 500.
Morzer
Red State thinks Bush, Carson and Kasich lost, while Carly, Christie and Rubio won, although none of them won big enough to make any difference. Walker, Cruz, Paul and Huckabee are listed as “Also present”. Trump is “Impossible to quantify”, which seems like a squeak of despair.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: Ben Franklin: “I think I am going to be unwell, sir.”
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Renie:
We’ve been over 600 and maybe 700 in the past. Front-pagers try to control it more now by posting new threads.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack (tablet):
When they take an interest.
@Botsplainer: I went on to a federal clerkship so it worked out okay.
Morzer
@Omnes Omnibus:
Vespasian: “Oh dear, I think I am becoming a god.”
Mike J
The scissors just appeared in frame.
https://ericvanderford.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/3765158857_623f49f3eb_b-700×500-700.jpg
Omnes Omnibus
@Morzer: Rabelais: “I owe much; I have nothing; the rest I leave to the poor.”
Morzer
This seems like the sanest take on the recently completed proceedings.
Keith G
I wonder if the ghost of Ronald Reagan was hovering around thinking, “What a bunch of losers. These fools don’t fucking belong in my shrine.”
NotMax
Heh.
Trump, being interviewed live right this minute.
“Every poll shows me winning the debate.”
Like what, maybe 20 minutes after it ended?
Morzer
@NotMax:
The Guardian livestream has a poll showing that Carly Demon-Sheep won.
Like maybe 20 minutes after it ended.
Anoniminous
@NotMax:
He knows TV and instant media communication. Be first out and you’ve set the tone of the conversation.
MomSense
@jl: @Omnes Omnibus:
Churchill: “He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.”
Omnes Omnibus
@Keith G: If the ghost of Reagan is around there, it is more likely to be saying, “Mommy, can I have a peanut butter sandwich?”
NotMax
@Morzer
And we all know how much credence to grant any online poll.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Suzanne:
Eh, wutz dat?
dedc79
So when Fiorina suggested her secret service nickname should be Secretariat, was she trying to bait Trump into making another comment about her face?
Morzer
@NotMax:
It had a yuuge, classy graphic. Very nice, very classic. What more could you possibly want?
Botsplainer
So hungover. Ow, my head.
Feels like somebody poured middle range bourbon directly on my brain.
Plus, I heard the voice of High Hewitt.
Bobby Thomson
@Botsplainer: fool for a client, etc. Good luck.
Morzer
@dedc79:
I think she was going for “Winner against heavy odds”. Or perhaps she forgot how to say “Proletariat”.
NotMax
Didn’t watch, but just saw a still shot. Did CNN supply the flag pins? They’re suspiciously identical on all 11 of them.
Chris
@CaseyL:
I thought I might find this entertaining. Didn’t work. If they were an Illinois Nazi convention rambling helplessly at the world from their soapboxes, I might. All I can do instead is be reminded that this is what half our political spectrum has been reduced to.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
When they haven’t been playing the debate drinkin’ game.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Keith G: Ha. Numismatry will get you nowhere.
(It’s supposed to be “philately” in the joke, but I wasn’t counting on the USPS getting mentioned tonite.)
dedc79
@Morzer: makes sense. my other thought was that i’d misheard her and she’d said “Secretary of State,” and was dropping a hint that she wants to be the one who gets sent to Russia to not listen to Putin.
JPL
Ben Carson played a better Chance than Peter Sellers. imo
RaflW
@Brandon:
So much of the FL economy is tied up in oceanfront real estate that they have to play dumb, at least long enough to cash out. But given human nature, they probably won’t cash out soon enough, so plan B will be massive gov’t bailouts. Meanwhile, denialism and/or too difficult/expensive/what about China/India?
Suzanne
@BillinGlendaleCA: That is the best short-term cure for the awful feelings that come with getting out of a shitty relationship. Puts a bit of swing back in your step like nothing else.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: Usually the pious wear “Republican Flag Pins”, they have an elephant on the stripes.
Timurid
I couldn’t help but wonder how many of those people… if any… were sober.
Corner Stone
@Suzanne: Oh, hi. Ummm, Hi?
Hi there.
mai naem mobile
@jl: I think Jake Tapper and the other CNNrs think moderating a GOP debate at this point = yelling ” Fight!Fight!Fight! Fight some more!”
Deecarda
Botsplainer, I haven’t commented in awhile, usually content lurking, but I just need to beg you to stop taking this woman’s shit. You are in the same emotional space you were months ago, just stop, nothing in your relationship has changed so you need to change by getting the hell out. The pain will be bad, it will take a long time to heal. Staying in this limbo will never give you the opportunity to get over her. Just sayin.
Keith G
@Botsplainer:
Well, as long as you are not waking up next to him.
BR
All I can say is I wish Obama could run for a third term.
Suzanne
@Corner Stone: I am since remarried.
RaflW
@Morzer:
I’ve seen variations on this fro several folks this eve. I don’t get it. He is still very conservative. It might seem like a cute throwaway line, but it is not clever and certainly not funny.
Kasich would not be an acceptable dem or president. Period.
Anoniminous
Romney got 47.2% of the vote in 2012. Looking at this dumbass group and with the continual shrinking of old white bigots I’m thinking they top out at 45% in 2016.
Omnes Omnibus
@RaflW:
Agreed. He is very conservative. He just happens to not be completely loathsome.
Suzanne
@Deecarda: Concur. @Botsplainer: Stop taking shit. Being single is fun, once you push past the crappy feelings of a breakup. Go forth and enjoy yourself.
jl
@mai naem mobile:
” I think Jake Tapper and the other CNNrs think moderating a GOP debate at this point = yelling ” Fight!Fight!Fight! Fight some more!” ”
It really stunk. I think they wanted to start a food fight to get lots of publicity from clips that they can claim made campaign news, and also framing questions by asking X what they thought about Y talking smack about Z was a chickenshit way of hiding (edit: that is ducking possible controversy and shirking their role as journalists.. Sad, weak, contemptible and sleazy).
Really sad when a supposedly reputable news organization makes the Fox gang look good.
Morzer
@RaflW:
Kasich is trying to run in a primary for an increasingly unhinged Republican party while using conservative Democrat stylings. Yes, his record is as corrupt, vicious and incompetent as any Republican could desire, but his presentation is completely wrong for the crowd. It’s funny in the same way that Harold Ford’s more clueless attempts to be a “moderate” were funny.
Thoughtful Today
“7 things to expect at tonight’s #CNNDebate.”
# 1) CNN will sell Apple computers on their twitter feed.
# 2) CNN will remind me why I’m glad I don’t have CNN (see # 1).
# 3-7) See # 2.
Morzer
@Suzanne:
I think Botsplainer should go forth and give serious consideration to the preliminary stages of increasing and multiplying as well.
David Koch
Best tweet mocking the debate tonight
twitter.com/frankthorpNBC/status/644331679528566784
Morzer
Coulter has apparently finally had the meltdown everyone has been predicting:
talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ann-coulter-jews-rant
Corner Stone
Weird.
Suzanne
@Morzer: When I said, “Go forth and enjoy yourself,” that was really what I was saying.
Omnes Omnibus
@Morzer: Has anyone seen her as anything but a pathetic joke for less than 10 years?
David Koch
Drudge Poll
TRUMP 58.5% (159,037 votes)
FIORINA 15.94% (43,326 votes)
CRUZ 5.85% (15,903 votes)
PAUL 5.14% (13,972 votes)
RUBIO 5.12% (13,922 votes)
CARSON 4.46% (12,128 votes)
JEB! 1.23% (3,345 votes) ◄ (bwhaahahhahahahahhahahahahhaah)
CHRISTIE 1.21% (3,288 votes)
KASICH 1.19% (3,230 votes)
WALKER 0.79% (2,156 votes)
HUCKABEE 0.57% (1,539 votes)
Total Votes: 271,846
Morzer
@Suzanne:
I rather suspected as much. We need to get Botsplainer some quality side-pieces to tide him over in this hour of need.
divF
@Morzer:
“Higglety-pigglety my red hen,
she lays eggs for gentlemen.
But you cannot persuade her with gun or lariat
to come across for the proletariat.”
It sounds like I made the correct decision to watch the “Da Vinci Code” instead of going to the circus.
Botsplainer
@Morzer:
Out of deference to Corner Stone, who is right (ugh – it pains me, but he is a good guy deep down, after all), I shall refrain from saying anything other than the words “that is kinda scary for me at my age, on the wrong side of middle age”.
Suzanne
When we just got to the question about what Secret Service name each candidate would pick, Spawn the Elder suggested “WHITE GUY”.
LMAO.
Morzer
@Omnes Omnibus:
She’s still on the TV and hawking book-like products.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
divF
@Suzanne:
*Applause*.
celticdragonchick
@Botsplainer:
Ouch. Yeah…not good.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
Think of yourself in geological time and feel younger and friskier.
Suzanne
@Botsplainer: There is tail for everyone, never you fear.
jl
@David Koch: Thanks.
Kasich only semi-sane person who has actually done something in government that is above a gentleman’s D. And he is 9th out of 11, and among a group barely registering above zero.
Loons leading loons in the GOP primary.
Morzer
@Suzanne:
As Reagan once said:
“It’s horning in America again!”
J R in WV
@Right to Rise:
You fuck-knuckle – Bush didn’t even care about bin Laden. President Obama directed a security team that found that dead fucker, and sent the USN Seals in there to kill him deader than a fucking rock.
Bush was warned about possible aircraft terrorism, and said “OK, you’ve covered your ass, now go away!” As far as I’m concerned, the 9/11 tragedy was as much Dub Bush’s fault as it was Bin Laden’s fault.
And then Dub had “Prince Bandar” over to visit, and kissed him, and held hands with him walking up to the ranch house. After closing down civilian air flight, EXCEPT for allowing Saudi airliners to fly members of the bin Laden family out of the country their Papa just attacked!
And you, RtR, are as useless as a possum.
Omnes Omnibus
@Botsplainer: Go to bed and then talk to your partner/other lawyer in the morning. Do not say anything more. My legal advice is worth what you paid for it and I am not licensed in your state. But do go to bed now.
celticdragonchick
@Morzer:
I feel K-T Boundary right now and a massive bolide is about make the Chicxulub Impact Crater somewhere in my neighborhood.
Suzanne
@J R in WV: My Secret Service name: GERONIMO.
Or Architect.
RaflW
@David Koch: I just voted for Christie, hoping that maybe jeb. can be pushed down another notch. hahahhahaaaa.
Morzer
@J R in WV:
The possum on Rand Paul’s head feels that its sacrifice for the country is insufficiently appreciated.
Suzanne
@Suzanne: Or Martini.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Suzanne: Even for Carly? That’s brutal, worse than tRump in fact.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Suzanne: I call BS.
Botsplainer
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’ve shifted locales, guzzled water, and am prone.
It’s a little spinny.
Morzer
@Suzanne:
I think Trump should have gone with KOJAK, but he probably thought Babydoc had first dibs.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: I just remember, “There’s a bear in the woods…”.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
Do you need us to call a spin-doctor for you? I believe the Carville Clinic is still open.
BillinGlendaleCA
@J R in WV: That wasn’t brother Bandar, that was the King.
Suzanne
@Botsplainer: Go get some sleep.
David Koch
srv
I sleep so soundly now. Had grave doubts that we could survive this long, but this country can make it 16 more months.
Help is on the way.
David Koch
Anyone watching MSNBC? Katy Tur is really hot.
BillinGlendaleCA
@David Koch: Did Huckabee know the people on currency have to be dead?
Anoniminous
@David Koch:
I’m surprised by Carson. I thought he would do better. Drudge readership doesn’t overlap with his support?
I am super surprised by JEB! Much lower than I would have guessed. The Pew Research poll nailed it: the GOP base is in no mood to support another Romney.
BillinGlendaleCA
@David Koch: Too blonde.
joel hanes
@Steeplejack (tablet):
We’ve been over 600 and maybe 700 in the past
I suspect that the record was set the night of “I am aware of all internet traditions”.
The Sadl No! thread that inspired that hilarity went over 2000 comments, IIRC.
It’s a damned shame they lost their archives; it was epic. Epic.
Morzer
@Anoniminous:
Maybe Jeb can borrow Rafalca and add some of that Romneycred to his rallies.
David Koch
Peale
@Morzer: LOL. Well, Ann. 1. How can she be shocked that they would answer the question in a way to get Sheldon Adelson’s money
David Koch
These clowns are just getting massacred on twitter.
It’s a turkey shoot.
David Koch
@Anoniminous: in the final analysis, he isn’t white.
Corner Stone
@Suzanne: No shit? Really? Did not know that.
Thanks!
joel hanes
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I’m sure that, from the perspective of a young, attractive, experienced woman, Suzanne’s comment appears to be perfectly true.
Let it be a lesson to the rest of us on how subjectivity can lead one astray.
Suzanne
@David Koch: I couldn’t believe Huckleberry said that. What a fucking dumbass. All he had to name was ONE prominent American woman and all he could come up with was his wife, for enduring his company.
Spent more time talking about our uteri.
I will say that I loved Trump’s comment to Rand Paul, “You’ve got your one percent.” LMAO.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Botsplainer:
With any luck, it ends up like “Modern Family” — you get Sophia Vergara and she gets the pathetic loser she left you for. Win/win!
RaflW
@srv:
Glad to know you’re pulling for the meteor too.
Suzanne
@joel hanes:
One out of three ain’t bad.
Anoniminous
@Morzer:
He’d better do something. Polling has JEB! losing Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. There’s still time but the window is starting to close.
@David Koch:
Yup. And the mad crazy lady, ultimately, has lady parts.
Peale
@David Koch: Let’s be fair here. Hamilton was not a natural born citizen, so replacing him with another foreigner wouldn’t be out of bounds.
RaflW
@Anoniminous: He’s got loser stink. And it is fully self-applied!
Morzer
@Anoniminous:
I don’t think El Hermano Jeb! is going to come back at this point. He’s managed to convince everyone that he’s a boring wimp and I can’t imagine how he changes that impression.
Suzanne
@Corner Stone: Actually, on the day we met, Mr. Suzanne and I talked about our favorite blogs, and he told me about this one. He said it was just my kind of place—liberals, pets, nerdy things, and snark. So you have him to blame for the last seven years of my crappy commentary.
Morzer
@Peale:
We could could always replace him with Ted Cruz, that well-known Texan author of The Fudderalist Papers.
sinnedbackwards
@David Koch: Are folks who aren’t familiar with whatever that show is expected to understand? I do not.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Anoniminous: You forgot Florida.
Mike in NC
@srv: You were missing all day, asshole. Do you have a hall pass, shithead?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Suzanne: Don’t sell yourself short. I know you’ve got number one nailed down(you’re 3 years older than the kid).
Anoniminous
@RaflW: @Morzer:
It’s insane. I’ve never, ever, seen a front runner crater this badly, this early. The doofus is managing to poll third in Florida! The guy has got like no national popular support. Even the despised Romney was getting in the mid-20s by this point.
Anoniminous
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Picked it up on the rebound. :-)
Morzer
@Anoniminous:
Well, he is facing the awesome might of the RUBIOMACHINE!!!!
Omnes Omnibus
@Anoniminous: Right now the front runner on the right is Trump.
Ruckus
@Botsplainer:
I bet I’m a lot farther along than you on the wrong side of middle age and I’m here to tell you, it isn’t as scary as it was when you were a teen and I bet you managed then.
joel hanes
@Suzanne:
As is well known, all is relative.
I was using myself as a baseline, and I am … not you.
Nor does my life experience bear out your charmingly optimistic claim.
(I _can_ say that I am younger than efgoldman; just not nearly as charming)
Morzer
Apparently raging Socialist Vermont Cheddar Jihadi Muslim Bernie S had himself some Twitteration fun:
theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/16/bernie-sanders-gop-debate-live-tweets
NotMax
@Anoniminous
Ah, but per the resident Jeb fetishist, it’s in the bag. Let others tire themselves out lapping him on the track again and again, then ramp it up and boldly shift into second gear.
:)
Thoughtful Today
heheh
Bernie Sanders on Republican debate:
War, war, war. When do we get to their other major priority: tax breaks for billionaires? #DebateWithBernie
—
twitter.com/BernieSanders
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
You may have lost a little off your fastball, but you are still fully capable of balling. Trust me, I did the Kessel Run in 2.7 parsnips!
Anoniminous
@Morzer:
Rubio is doing even worse. Florida GOP doesn’t want their governors to become prez, I guess.
@Omnes Omnibus:
Now he is. At the start of the thing Bush held all the cards: money, endorsements, organization, name recognition … you name it,. And the dumb ass blew it all away by being JEB!
BillinGlendaleCA
@joel hanes: Everyone is younger than efgoldman, though he is quite charming.
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Seeing efgoldman in the white fur coat with the diamonds and babes dripping off him was a once in a lifetime experience.
Corner Stone
Man. Sometimes life comes at you real fucking fast.
Omnes Omnibus
@Thoughtful Today: Quick question: Are you again going to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you about everything a troll? Just wondering…
Suzanne
@joel hanes: Well, I still think it’s good advice. I support giving into vices with a degree of regularity.
Corner Stone
@Suzanne: “It’s the Pictures That Got Small!”
Suzanne
@Morzer: I don’t even know what efgoldman looks like, but I hope he wears a white fur coat and diamonds. That would be tremendous.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: Did you ingest some mushrooms prior to seeing this?
RK
Carly Fiorina is Nurse Ratchet.
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
No, I watched a Republican primary debate.
NotMax
Just saw a clip of Graham.
“That’s one thing that will be different. In my White House, there will be more drinking.”
Morzer
@Suzanne:
Fur coats and diamonds, he think he a superstar.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: I believe that’s effectively the same.
Anoniminous
@NotMax:
Corrected for accuracy.
Well this has been … something.
Night all
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Well, I was seeing pink and white elephants for a while there – and they were saying the strangest things.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: I think the Secret Service is drinking too much as it is.
NotMax
@Morzer
After tonight, Limberbutt McCubbins is looking better and better and better.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: Is that Baud’s real name?
Morzer
@NotMax:
The Time Is Meow!
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Mr McCubbins is a bona fide presidential candidate. He knows where America’s kibble bowl is at.
Thoughtful Today
heh
“The Biggest Winner Of The CNN Republican Debate Was Bernie Sanders.”
;)
RK
“This is about you, not me” – Chris Christie
Funniest moment of the night.
SWMBO
@Botsplainer: At least he cared enough to do that.
amk
no new thread till this one hits 600 … or 1000.
RK
@amk: Cole’s going to start a new thread about the state of his anti-virus program.
amk
@RK:
fuck him. who the hell does he think he is?
joel hanes
@Suzanne:
I still think it’s good advice
Oh, so do I.
The practical difficulty (for some) comes in the attempt to follow it.
“Have a million dollars in investments before you’re thirty” is likewise good advice, for those in a position to follow it.
Have you ever seen the Disney movie “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” ?
The actual message is: if you’re sufficiently different from others, romantic love is not for you, so learn to take joy in the happiness of your friends.
Morzer
@joel hanes:
I don’t know that Botsplainer’s heart will be filled with joy at the thought that he might be Quasimodo II.
Amir Khalid
@joel hanes:
I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the message of the Victor Hugo novel.
Thoughtful Today
Dear Lord, Thank You for the Internet!-)
“Bernie Sanders roasts GOP debate on Twitter: Can they talk about anything besides wanting to go to war?”
RK
Why do I get the feeling that’s not the message of the film.
Morzer
@Amir Khalid:
Victor Hugo pretty clearly wanted to persuade disabled people to avoid bell towers and sexy gypsy girls.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Amir Khalid:
IIRC, in the Hugo novel, Esmeralda is publicly executed while her boyfriend watches indifferently, and they later find Quasimodo’s corpse snuggled up to her skeleton inside her crypt.
I’m surprised Disney was able to find any kind of “happy” ending for that story.
RaflW
G’night y’all …
and one comment closer to 600.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: Quasimodo III, I’m Quasimodo II.
RK
Maybe he left out: And watch a lot of porn.
Suzanne
@joel hanes: If you saw the Disney sequel, “The Hunchback of Notre Dame II”, you would learn that Quasimodo gets some ass in that film.
Morzer
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Actually, I think Cole’s antics with the mop make him Quasi III, so Botsplainer will have to settle for being Quasi IV.
joel hanes
@Morzer:
I hope that Botsplainer is not laboring under the mistaken idea that I’m talking about him, at all.
Morzer
@Suzanne:
I can see a self-help book coming out of all of this:
Love lessons from the Hunchback of Notre Dame or Even A Freak Like You Can Get Some
joel hanes
@RK:
Why do I get the feeling
Two explanations occur to me:
– you haven’t seen the movie
– you instinctively identified with Phoebus
joel hanes
@Suzanne:
HBND 2
I am glad to hear it.
Perhaps I should watch that one.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: I am the antithesis of that thesis.
Thoughtful Today
Tom Tomorrow explains it all:
thenation.com/article/nurture-that-resentment-young-man/
SectionH
@Amir Khalid: Yeah, but… modern tastes and all that.
How about a Disney movie of, oh, say Zola’s Gernimal?
That is basically the society the R’s want to take the US back to.
divF
After browsing the web looking for clown show commentary, I am coming to the conclusion that no one was really energized by the performances this evening. The candidates didn’t even induce large amounts of high-quality snark.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SectionH: a poor family meets a helpful family of gnomes in the coal mine, who bring them to their happy underground garden, and teach them to mine food and sunshine!
I managed to see only a few seconds of the debate, which unfortunately was Carly Fiorina snarling about Clinton lying about Benghazi, which I gather was the second stupidest thing said about foreign policy.
Amir Khalid
@Mnemosyne (tablet):
Esmerelda is hanged for the murder of a man who, we learn at the end of the novel, is alive and well and has quite forgotten that she ever existed. She doesn’t get a crypt; she’s a poor gypsy girl, after all. Quasimodo cuts her body down from the scaffold and takes it away to a hiding place where their dead bodies are later found.
Disney made up a happy ending on their own, just like they did with The Little Mermaid.
RK
@joel hanes: Didn’t see the movie but it sounds like an odd message coming from DIsney.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SectionH: Disney’s The Road: A Boy and His Dad cross the country in their whacky shopping cart of fun! Meeting the strangers they call friends we haven’t met yet! The shopping cart talks and sings.
Mandalay
@Morzer:
This is probably the closest we’ll ever get to seeing Coulter backpedal:
Not so sure that’s enough to get her out of trouble since her original tweet was all about “f—ing Jews” rather than “panderers”.
joel hanes
@SectionH:
How about a Disney movie of, oh, say Zola’s Gernimal?
or Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle
I’d pay to see the Disney version of Voltaire’s Candide
… and now, it’s getting late out even here on the Left coast, so if you’ll all excuse me,
I shall retire to tend my garden.
Frankensteinbeck
@RK:
Not an odd message at all. The Disney Princess Years were full of superficial declarations of a positive message, then the actual events of the movie contradicting it. The absolute disappearance of Belle’s independence and intellectualism when she meets the right man leaps screamingly to mind.
@joel hanes:
They made Peter Pan. It doesn’t get much more creepy than that book. I can’t blame Disney for removing the comments about how grown women find Peter irresistably attractive because he still has his baby teeth.
Thoughtful Today
Forewarning: Politico link:
““I think every Democratic campaign and the DNC should have to explain why we are ceding the discussion and attention to the Republicans by refusing to the kind of robust debate schedule we’ve always had,” said O’Malley’s campaign manager Dave Hamrick in a statement to POLITICO. “The question remains — if the DNC is still holding to their unprecedented exclusivity clause, are they doing it at the Clinton campaign’s request?””
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Suzanne:
I think that was The Bareback of Notre Dame. I saw it on Cinemax, I think.
RK
@Frankensteinbeck: I have no idea what you’re referring to regarding Belle and it just seems odd that a Disney movie would have the message: You’re deformed and ugly so forget about a lover.
Suzanne
@Amir Khalid: And then they made up a whole additional story in which Quasi gets a lady friend.
RK
@Steeplejack (tablet): I think the sequel was Hunchback Mountain which included the rousing number Baby Got Hunchback.
SectionH
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Yes!
We hung out in a couple of beer bars with wifi, and mostly read BJ commentary. No way I would have looked at the live broadcast. I just can’t deal with that shit any more.
…
We’re parlisly close to a thing, mission, meme here…
We could offer it to Baud for his Quest, um, which would be excellent, but otherwise, I worry that Rupert might notice and actually try to make even more re-writing happen.
jl
@Thoughtful Today:
Sanders sums up the debate in this tweet:
” Okay. Let’s vote for Reagan. Sounds better than any of these guys. “
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steeplejack (tablet): well played, well played.
How many debates were there in 2008, when O’Malley was so horrified by the thought of a Clinton dynasty he was one of her earliest endorsers and I think campaign co-chair?
Steeplejack (tablet)
@RK:
LOL.
Amir Khalid
@RK:
Belle is the princess character in the Disney Beauty and The Beast. As for the ending they came up with for The Hunchback of Notre Dame, there was no way they were going to use the one Hugo wrote. There is in fact a long tradition of Hunchback of Notre Dame adaptations pasting in a happy ending.
RK
@Steeplejack (tablet): Well you inspired me with laughter.
SectionH
@joel hanes: We’re probably too late. They’re probably working on a couple of those already.
Good night, I’m in Specific Time too. Just never got the hang of a 24 hour clock.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@SectionH: We could offer it to Baud for his Quest, um
If Baud is a hobbit I wanna be one of them rock flinging trees
I listened to a couple of podcast interviews with Ian McKellen, and I can’t remember if it was on Fresh Air or Maron that he said that during a drinking outing with the cast, Christopher Lee told McKellen that he thought that he (Lee) should have played Gandalf– told with good humor and great respect
Morzer
@RK:
Followed by Hunchback To The Future.
SectionH
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m pretty sure Baud will deny any Hobbit ties at all, but it will be harder for him when I swear “To the best of my knowledge, Baud is not now, nor ever has been a Hobbit in any way at all.”
Oops.
Origuy
In some versions of the Sleeping Beauty story, it’s not a kiss that wakens the sleeping beauty.
RK
@Morzer: Where Quasimodo hooks up with robotic AI but is once again left disappointed due to the sex being too mechanical.
DivF
I see this thread has crossed the 600 line. Good.
Morzer
@SectionH:
So Baud is officially denying tying up Hobbits?
Amir Khalid
@Origuy:
And the Disney version stops at the wedding, leaving out the part about Sleeping Beauty’s mother-in-law from hell.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Origuy:
I know that when I set out on a quest in my younger days one of the prime motivations was the prospect of boning a chick in a coma. Good times.
ETA: See my straight-to-video memoir, Sleeping Booty.
Morzer
@Steeplejack (tablet):
Sleeping Booty or Quasi MoDo…
SectionH
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Lee’s early love of LotR was well known – he sent a Fan letter to Tolkien in the ’50s, got a reply, and then actually met the man later. And he def. wanted to play Gandalf (and knows how to pronounce the name, too!). But he played the role he was dealt as well as could possibly have been done, given the script.
I have so much respect and fondness for both Christopher Lee and Ian McKellan as human beings.
SectionH
@Morzer: Do you mean he’s a Pervy Hobbit Fancier?
It would be wrong not to ask!
Morzer
@SectionH:
I am sure all those rumors about Hobbit Shibari orgies are just groundless, vicious lies.
VFX Lurker
@joel hanes:
In all seriousness… check out BLACKSAD, a comic book series drawn by an ex-Disney artist. If you want to see mad Disney skillz take on film noir subject matter, you will love BLACKSAD. (Warning: it’s not for kiddies!!!)
redshirt
So, anyone looking for a Green Card only marriage?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: MoDo after her visit to CO?
SectionH
@Morzer:
Unless they were all a False Flag operation, of course!
Amir Khalid
@DivF:
Unless there’s a late night open thread, we might even go for 700 comments. Haven’t seen one of those in a while.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Amir Khalid: I’ll do my bit.
Dogs are better than cats.
redshirt
@Amir Khalid: Did you hear Tom Brady endorsed The Donald????
redshirt
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is true by like a kilometer.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@redshirt:
Little late tonight for that. Just pay already.
SectionH
@redshirt: Who?
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
I was a big fan of The Brady Bunch, and I don’t remember a Tom Brady.
Seriously, I do know who he is. I also remember he keeps a Make America Great Again hat in his locker, which only goes to show that elite athletes are not necessarily smart political thinkers.
DivF
@Amir Khalid:
I’ve never seen 700. In fact I had never seen 600 before tonight.
Any signs of tsunami out your way? Things have been quiet here on the NorCal coast.
RK
@Steeplejack (tablet): LOL Reminds me of the book “How to Bone Chicks in a Coma: On the Road with Bill Cosby”
amk
yay 600. let’s shoot for 700.
Morzer
@amk:
625th!
SectionH
@Amir Khalid: Bleh, I figured it out after I’d posted.
The boring endorsing the appalling.
Woo.
Amir Khalid
@DivF:
A tsunami hitting Peninsular Malaysia would be very unlikely. We have all of Sumatra between us and the nearest ocean plate boundary, and the rest of the Indonesian archipelago shields us from tsunamis originating in the main body of the Pacific Ocean.
Thoughtful Today
hmm…
How is it that out of all the Republican Presidential Candidates, the worst person in the room was … CNN’s Jake Tapper?
BillinGlendaleCA
@DivF: We’re under a tsunami warning here in SoCal.
Amir Khalid
@Thoughtful Today:
Jake Tapper may have delusions of competence like all the Republican candidates for president. But at least he’s not seeking high office in order to execute a potentially disastrous policy agenda.
Amir Khalid
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
It depends on the individual dog or cat.
redshirt
@Amir Khalid:
He was another one of the cousins. Came on the show to teach Bobby how to throw a spiral, and be a man.
And Make America Great Again.
DivF
@BillinGlendaleCA: so I see – from Orange County up to SLO.
The Big Thing on the news around here tonight is snow in the Sierra. Lots of pictures of snow falling on the sf chronicle website.
Thoughtful Today
“CNN GOP Debate: The Young Turks Summary.”
Best line at the end:
“… the big loser at the debate was journalism“
redshirt
@DivF: I check the weather in California for no reason, and pray for rain. Snow’s just as good!
DivF
It’s late and I teach in the morning. Signing off.
And doing on last bit to get to 700.
RK
@Thoughtful Today: I said earlier that the one thing this debate made clear is that the media is part of the problem. Tapper opened the debate like a prize fight calling it the main event.
redshirt
@DivF: Fear not, friend. I’ll make it happen.
WITNESS ME!!!!!!
DivF
@redshirt: the whole drought thing here has made me needy and a little pathetic. Compulsively checking the climate pages on the nws website. Sad, really.
redshirt
@DivF: I feel your pain, and your joy when moisture falls from the sky.
I should visit. My last two visits to LA were filled with rain each time – a decade ago.
Maybe a GoFundMe raindance?
redshirt
I was legit happy LA and surrounding areas got 2 inches of rain the other day. That’s huge. Yes, barely a dent in the drought, but a record setting day of precipitation for the area. More like this please!
redshirt
@DivF: Do you visit Weather Underground? I find their use of local weather stations to be very useful. You’ve got to filter out a few anomalies, but it gives you a very detailed view of local temps and conditions.
gene108
I fell asleep at 10:32 pm. I got bored watching the debate. My subconscious just churned out a very vivid strange (even by dream standards) dream and now I am up.
Reading the comments it seems I did not miss much in the debate.
I find the rise of Donald J. Trump reassuring. It has torn the mask off of the Republican Party in two ways. One he plays to the Id of the base, with regards to immigration, but he also has “gone off script”. Publicly trashing the Iraq War, saying he will raise taxes a lot on the super rich, preserve or strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and coming out in favor of a minimum wage has thrown the GOP for a loop, because they have become dogmatically tied to tax cuts solve everything and Social Security and Medicare must be privatized they do not know how to respond to Trunp on the economy.
It is amusing to watch.
Plus the asshats from the Club for Growth cannot touch him, because he does not need them to fund his campaign or endorse as approved for potential donors.
Thoughtful Today
RK: “… the media is part of the problem.”
Amen!
Jake’s always been a sensationalist but CNN’s descent into a televised version of The National Enquirer is especially shameful during a Presidential “debate”.
jl
@gene108:
” Plus the asshats from the Club for Growth cannot touch him, because he does not need them to fund his campaign or endorse as approved for potential donors. ”
Trump produced Club for Growth’s sleazy million dollar ask letter on twitter after they lied about it. Trump is doing a lot of damage to great and beloved GOP institutions, that is, scam operations and cons. But I guess a con man who doesn’t need the money can be very effective at outing other con artists, especially a better can artist blowing the whistle on punk low skill con artists.
RK
@gene108: Trump is essentially a Democrat which is why some think he’s actually a plant.
jl
@Thoughtful Today: The one bright side I can see in it is that these clowns will spend all their time refining their skills at BSing, pandering to fanatics who hold very unpopular views, and flinging poo. Any Democrat in the race, even if something horrible happened and we got so desparate that it was Webb, will destroy them in a debate.
If the media wants to enable these goofs pandering and BSing instead of skilling up for the general, that is a good thing.
redshirt
@jl:
A Democrat cannot win a debate with a Republican unless the media says so, and perhaps they no longer will, given the Winning that is Trump? RATINGS people. Eyeballs. That’s all that matters. Well, actually the dollars those ratings translate into, but means to an end and all.
Read about these and other subtle business tricks in Art of the Deal. Our new Holy book.
David Koch
@Mandalay: She’s always been anti-Semitic.
Back in 2007 she said she wanted to get rid of Judaism – period.
Imagine if anyone else had said they wanted to get rid of Judaism. But IOKIYAR.
The right, including the Likudniks like Kristol, have always known she’s a Nazi, but they found her useful for rabble rousing the know-nothings. Now they’re gonna have to wait a while before they can deploy her again.
David Koch
@redshirt: This is true. Unless the Democrat utterly destroys the republican (“please proceed, Governor”) the media will always try to give it to the republican.
Gore beat Bush on substance but they took the decision away from him, hammering him for sighing, while gushing over Bush as a guy you’d like to have a beer with.
Amir Khalid
@RK:
There’s a persistent story that Bill Clinton persuaded him to make this run, and if it’s true this would be the mother of all ratfucks. Bill does say that he’s encouraged The Donald to play a bigger role in Republican politics.
A Humble Lurker
@Mandalay:
This thread is dead by now or just about, but would like to make of point of saying no, he ain’t, not even close. Unless you can imagine Carlson allowing himself to be beat to death because he refused to sell out two escaped girls’ location to said beaters.
redshirt
@David Koch:
When I’m Temporary Emperor, I’ll enforce a media divestment program which ensures each media market has a diverse collection of ownership (no one media company can control more than two media companies per market for example), and no national media can be owned by a larger organization.
Get rid of the corporate influence in media, and then what do we have? Truth? Or louder fictions?
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
Ultimately, you can’t engineer the profit motive out of a news organisation unless you make it a non-profit, supported by something other than business revenues e.g. a big pile of money from some benefactor.
redshirt
@Amir Khalid: Ironically, it’s the Christian Scientists.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Amir Khalid: However, you can enforce antitrust law and impose restriction on ownership as a condition for receiving a broadcast license.
raven
WTF-K?
RK
Leaked upcoming posts by Cole:
I’m Downloading Windows Updates
Just Took a Shower – I Feel Clean
My Dog is on My Couch
Took My Black Friend to Dinner
My Cat Won’t Turn Around
I Can See the Sun Outside
I Just Exhaled
I Just Inhaled
I Just Exhaled Again
Applejinx
@Botsplainer: You can’t be Quasimodo 4, I’m that.
Seriously though, I lift weights, half starve to where I am fairly impressive looking, have good grooming and am hung like a pony and STILL absolutely do not get laid ever, so some of what people are saying is lies. It’s true that some people simply don’t get laid and didn’t when they were teenagers either.
But. But! BUT.
I married a BPD woman who had many cool qualities but flipped out and turned into something of a nightmare. She bailed, I divorced, and the nightmare ended (I’m given to understand, for both sides). I even stayed in the house and paid off her equity and gave her literally all the furniture and everything that was IN the house.
And it was over. And I can’t speak for her, and I have no solution at all for the male-brain-demons that have me regularly suicidal (being steered from the dick will do that to you and I have no remedy short of serious drug abuse, which is off the table)… but apart from not being able to deal with that, life is pretty clearly better. A lot better. And being single is a ridiculous amount of freedom.
After you’ve bonded with someone that basically eats your brain, and gotten free, you’ll understand the truth of this. In some ways that’s why I’m doomed to battle my biology: I could actually get laid by ditching standards and getting real intimate with another screwed-up needy person but I know better than most, the risks of that.
Courage. There’s a way through it, and sometimes hell is other people.
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
I know, right? And Anne Laurie’s Internets are broken, so let’s not look for a morning thread from her.
Central Planning
This is the longest thread I’ve seen in a while. I missed the debate last night. Seems like I didn’t miss much. Anyone have a site with a good highlights reel?
RK
@Central Planning: You missed nothing. Long, boring, no real highlights.
I fear she may be going through Bob Schooley withdrawls.
Morzer
@Central Planning:
I think you might want to settle for the least low of the lowlights.
raven
@Applejinx: that’s some cheery shit right there
Schlemazel
I hope I time this right so mine is comment 666
Schlemazel
OK, this is it! The anti-christ of comments
MORNING JUICERS! WELCOME TO HELL.
Unles Dem wins, then it will just be heck with Phil prince of insufficient light
raven
@Schlemazel: Some of these people don’t need BJ to be in hell.
Keith G
Holy crap. I am up and getting ready for work and THIS is still the thread?
RK
@Keith G: No exit.
Schlemazel
@raven:
Don’t I know it!
Anyone care to summarize the thread? I couldn’t care less about the debate but anything fun happen here? Rite to retch show up? Svr?
raven
@Corner Stone: Where ya been dick head?
OzarkHillbilly
@Schlemazel:Getting in beastmode, eh?.
Baud
As President, I will develop an Anne Laurie continuity plan for Balloon Juice, so this tragedy doesn’t happen again.
Keith G
@Schlemazel: RtR gave it a half hearted try, but no, this was not intrinsically high on that type of entertainment.
NotMax
@Schlemazel
In a carefully weighed, objective and dispassionate manner, RtR declared Jeb! the runaway winner.
:)
Another Holocene Human
@Baud: Yeah, this is nuts.
Another Holocene Human
I drove through Betty Cracker territory yesterday. GNV to Ft Myers and back, all in one day. The Google lied about how long it would take. Miserable.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax: It was a shock to all of us that were present.
Another Holocene Human
@A Humble Lurker: Uncle Tom the book version != Uncle Tom the play
Educated people learn about Da Book in school. But it turns out (funny story) historically the masses were familiar with Da Play(s). In fact, James Baldwin references the theatrical version in Invisible Man, I believe.
The popular conception/notion of Uncle Tom comes from the play. Which was from what I understand pretty darn racist. The book was a pull-no-punches abolitionist screed, otoh.
RK
“Federal prosecutors are poised to settle a criminal investigation into General Motors, according to people briefed on the matter, accusing the automaker of failing to disclose a safety defect tied to at least 124 deaths. The case, which the prosecutors plan to unveil on Thursday, would cap a wide-ranging investigation that tainted the automaker’s reputation for quality and safety and damaged its bottom line.
“The prosecutors will impose a penalty of nearly $1 billion on G.M., according to people briefed on the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity, but they are not expected to include charges against individual G.M. employees.”
Another Holocene Human
@SectionH: Ian McKellan seemed to be a bit of a pervy hobbit fancier. I’d say more fond hobbit fancier, but, you know, figure of speech.
Morzer
@Another Holocene Human:
Let he (or she) who has not felt a twinge of affection for pervy hobbits cast the first stone.
Keith G
@RK:
Disappointing. The quickest way to lessen that type of wrong-doing is to make sure that jail time (or a very personally costly criminal defense bill) is a likely result.
MomSense
Sorry I was late boss but the thread had almost 700 comments.
OzarkHillbilly
@RK:
Of course not. Prison is for the common rif raf, not the uncommon rif raf.
Another Holocene Human
@Amir Khalid: I think the Disney ending is the unhappy ending.
In the original story, the mermaid is afraid of her mortality as a non-human creature and longs to be human. She fails as a human, falling in love with an unworthy man who rejects her. But having learned from her quasi-Faustian journey, she is transformed, and becomes a guardian angel.
The story is bittersweet but uplifting. She never really had a chance with that prince guy; the people who really love her are her family who support her in a choice they don’t and will never understand.
In the Disney movie she MARRIES THE DOUCHEBAG!
NotMax
@Morzer
Some people talk of Bilbo, others of Frodo.
No one talks about Pervo.
MomSense
@RK:
And this is how we know corporations are not people my friend.
OzarkHillbilly
@Keith G: With all due respect, I have to say that you lack the data** to back up that assertion. :-(
**hardly ever does anyone go to jail for corporate malfeasance.
RK
@Keith G: Prosecutors say they don’t have the evidence, although the investigation continues apparently, but I agree with you. Seems that prison, with the rare exception, isn’t for rich and powerful people these days, a sign of our corrupt culture.
Another Holocene Human
Anderson’s stories also tend to have a subtext about homosexuality. Unlike some writers who were gay and hated themselves and it comes out in ugly stuff like misogyny, Anderson’s message is affirming.
You could take the Little Mermaid as a metaphor about heterosexuality. The straight people are the humans. They have eternal life because they have children. The mermaids have a happy, but ephemeral life because they do not. At a horrible cost one of the mermaids has her body physical transformed (there’s a long scene describing the hobbling pain following this transformation, the disorientation) to join the human world, but fails in the imposture because she cannot speak. In the end she is not like them and doesn’t understand their ways. And straight people would rather be with other straight people than a gay person trying to be straight. (Or a transgendered person who doesn’t pass, perhaps? Can’t speak because the voice gives you away?) In the story, the little mermaid becomes a guardian angel who looks after children. Hm, much like Anderson writes stories with little morals for children.
Keith G
@OzarkHillbilly: That’s my point.
The laws and the process need to be changed so that what the supervisors at GM did could be handled as a type reckless endangerment leading to loss of life.
Edit
In every county court house in America, “normal” folk are prosecuted for doing things that are foreseeably dangerous and that then lead to someone dying.
Another Holocene Human
@RK: Corporations are a racket. Can’t go to prison, can’t get sued, do horrible stuff all day long.
No wonder NPD, sociopaths, and psychopaths are in charge.
Baud
Hey Cole, we oppose threaded comments. We still support threads.
Doing my part to get to get big 7-0-0.
RK
Cole doesn’t read this blog I don’t think.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Baud: Will it break (even more) if we reach 700? Should we chance it?
Cheers,
Scott.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
I’ll help.
Morzer
@RK:
You mean you think he does?
Keith G
I think Steve has locked Cole out of the house and taken over Balloon-Juice.
Morzer
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Cole’s going to rush in screaming “The dilithium crystals canna take it!”. Any minute now…..
Keith G
Missed by one.
Edit. If Skinner was correct, now commenting will slow down for the next 93 comments.
MomSense
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
We could always just go reclaim a forgotten 40 comment thread.
RK
@Morzer: lol Language is a strange thing.
Morzer
@Keith G:
It rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the Ravens’ highlights package again….
Tommy
@Another Holocene Human: The fact you know this much about Disney movies hurts my head. Maybe I should. When my niece forces me to watch them a strange thing happens. About ten seconds in she starts to dance. I stand up and dance with her. We don’t get that far into the shows because, well dance. She is seven. I think any lady watches Frozen as much as she does. Knows every word. Need to rent the darn thing and watch it as an adult.
RK
@Keith G: Cole’s barricaded in his Thurston panic room.
Morzer
@RK:
Nah, crouched naked in a pit with Steve snarling down from above him.
NotMax
@RK
Or it’s a subtle psychological experiment to see how long it takes for us all to lose interest and fade away.
Elizabelle
Groundhog day, hmmm?
Listening to BBC America. Reporter thinks Fiorina did well and is very impressive in foreign policy.
Good news re Chile: seems damage may be limited, although they’re still assessing villages. Tsunami warnings lifted.
Beth in VA
@Elizabelle: GOP congress hasn’t done anything but fecklessly voted to repeal ObamaCare.
RK
Well, this thread has been been epic, at least in length, with some good laughs. Have a good day all.
Morzer
@NotMax:
Does Cole do subtle?
Stacy
Mika is on morning joe assuring Bill Kristol that Fiorina can show “humor” later. He wants a Fiorina/Cotton ticket. They just love Carly this morning.
Morzer
@Stacy:
Didn’t Kristol want an independent Cheney/Cotton ticket not so long ago?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Keith G: Missed it by that much. Sorry Chief.
Amir Khalid
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Reaching 700 comments won’t break the blog.
@Another Holocene Human:
That’s an almost Slate-like take on the Disney The Little Mermaid.
OzarkHillbilly
@Keith G:
Unless there is a gun involved. Then it is just an unfortunate accident that nobody could foresee happening. Like the guy who used his gun to drill a hole in the wall for his cable TV. Killed his wife. Whocoulda knowed she’d be standing in her own house?
Elizabelle
Bailed on the debate about 10:00 p. Boring, too much exposure to Republicans and the twisted world they inhabit. It was like finally getting hit by the flung monkey poo, and walking away from the zoo.
Now it’s pod people — debate, debate, debate! — on MSNBC and CNN. It’s an infestation.
They gotta stop this.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Morzer: Nope, just Twitter.
RK
@Morzer: Think I missed that joke. Okay. Out.
Morzer
Holy Mother Mary – Pope Frankie is going full-on Communist:
cruxnow.com/church/2015/09/14/pope-warns-religious-orders-take-in-refugees-or-pay-taxes-on-your-prop…
Baud
I blame Obama.
Elizabelle
@Another Holocene Human: Very interesting about The Little Mermaid and HCA. Did not realize the subtext. Thank you.
Amir Khalid
@Stacy:
What does Bill Kristol see in that silly boy Tom Cotton?
Keith G
@Stacy:
Why not? That seems as likely as many other combo platters.
This is a weird one, but then it is still very early. Even at 14 months out, I usually have an idea of who the top two will be. Not now. So many clowns leading to so many variables. And one of them will get a not insignificant shot at being president.
Tommy
@Elizabelle: This is where my somewhat Republican parents are smarter than me. If I asked them if they watched the debate they would laugh at me. Say they have better things to do with their time.
Morzer
@Amir Khalid:
A vulnerable young mind that is currently content-free.
Amir Khalid
The morning commenter traffic is just starting. I wonder if an 800-comment thread is possible.
Elizabelle
@Tommy: Your parents were wise.
I have a sadness overlay from spending too much time in crazy RepublicanWorld last night.
They’re so craven, and they lie so much, and we get them industrial strength, like a firehose of stupid, via CNN and MSNBC.
Too much. Gonna make some coffee and get outside today.
Morzer
@Amir Khalid:
One more small, lonely comment trudges off to work for the Blog Pharaoh…..
Morzer
@Tommy:
They chose…actually, not… poorly.
OzarkHillbilly
Who said:
How to get applause from GOP donors: 1) Pledge to start a war 2) Talk about job creators 3) Denounce abortion 4) Cite Reagan 5) Cite Israel.
Elizabelle
@Amir Khalid: NEW THREAD.
We could try to get this one up to 800, if we liked … where’s that coffeemaker? Catch you in a few.
Botsplainer
Am up, feel like shit, and am sheepish about the meltdown. It shan’t happen again.
Morzer
@OzarkHillbilly:
Some guy connected to the Ozarks?
Stacy
@Morzer:Yes. He said either or would do but Cheney/Cotton is his first choice.
Morzer
@Botsplainer:
Find yourself a great apartment and spend an afternoon there imagining all the cool things you can do with what is going to be a wonderful future.
Tommy
@Elizabelle: Go for a walk. The world is a stunning place. Walk around.
Morzer
@Stacy:
Cheney/Cotton sounds like some bizarre variant on the boxers or briefs question.
OzarkHillbilly
@Morzer: Believe it or not, Anne Coulter. Right after she said something about “fucking Jews”.
Morzer
@Tommy:
Walk softly and carry a big. *cough* I mean, take time to smell the roses… but they are all dead. Um.. well, just walk around anyway then.
Cervantes
@Botsplainer:
It makes sense that you’d feel this way — anyone would.
If you need to talk, or vent, do it.
It’s a difficult passage you’re in: excruciating. Hold on to yourself and remember to be who you are — for yourself and for those who still and always love and need you.
Morzer
@OzarkHillbilly:
It was quite a rant – but I imagine she’ll get away with it, being an innocent, persecuted, rich, white Christian victim.
Tommy
@Morzer: Just a shout out to the Ozarks. I’ve been to about the entire country. It is a place where you will think to yourself this shit isn’t going on here.
Cervantes
@Elizabelle:
Yes.
On the other hand, no one ever said that doing one’s civic duty is a cake-walk. Think how much you know about these people — that’s a valuable thing and I’m sure that, as ever, you will put it to good use. You are an inspiration.
Elizabelle
Chris Christie just told CNN he’s always been a guy who’s about quality over quantity. (re he got 7 minutes in the debate last night.)
Cervantes
@OzarkHillbilly:
Here’s Coulter:
1:
2:
3:
4:
Cervantes
@Morzer:
The rant is above. How much does her being (or not being) “an innocent, persecuted, rich, white Christian victim” have to do with it?
Tommy
@Morzer: Can I sugguest a walk and it not be polotical
Morzer
@Cervantes:
Actually I quoted her rant some hours ago.
#752
Morzer
@Tommy:
I can live with a non-polotical walk. I’ve never gone for sports on horseback myself.
Cervantes
@Morzer:
OK, thanks. I did not see it.
In any event, given her rant, why do you say this?
Morzer
@Cervantes:
Because that seems to be the current conservative default status when caught saying or doing something despicable – and it seems to keep on working just fine.
Cervantes
@Amir Khalid:
Hate plus Harvard.
David Koch
Last night’s big winner: Hillary Clinton who appeared on hilarious Trump sketch on Tonight Show
Cervantes
@Morzer:
Sure.
I guess I was expecting your analysis of her rant. Is it above as well? Or do you feel it neither merits nor requires analysis?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Applejinx:
Sometimes? ;-)
No Exit.
Hang in there. (Everyone else, also too.)
Cheers,
Scott.
Morzer
@Cervantes:
I think it’s typical, despicable Coulter – but probably more accurately reflective of her inner monologue than she would like.
Morzer
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Sometimes hell is waking up to find you’ve run out of coffee.
Although I suppose Obama is to blame for that, so it all comes back to people.
David Koch
@OzarkHillbilly: she was the biggest cheerleader for the iraq war, now she thinks it’s a disaster. It only took her 12 years to figure it out
Alex S.
I guess the GOP establishment hopes to channel their base’s hate of them into the Fiorina candidacy. They probably want a Bush/Fiorina ticket.
Alex S.
@Cervantes:
And Tom Cotton apparently hates the Iran Deal like noone else.
Matt McIrvin
@gene108:
I don’t find it reassuring, because I don’t think the Democrats know how to respond to it either. The working-class white voters that Democrats keep wanting to get: what are they going to like more, economic populism, or economic populism plus hating Mexicans? Hillary and Bernie just give you one, at most; The Donald gives you both!
Obama proved that you can win without those votes, but only if you can energize minorities to turn out massively, which I don’t see the current Democrats doing. Trump can probably get a lot of Hispanics to turn out against him, but can those voters beat a wave of white bigots motivated to turn out against them? The R base is going to be way more excited about him than they were about Romney or McCain.
I am feeling a little better about Bernie Sanders this morning, just because his Twitter performance during the debate suggests that he could be the one to deliver the “at long last, have you no sense of decency?” kind of treatment that all this deserves. With a lot of sarcasm. But there’s no guarantee it’ll work.
Morzer
@Matt McIrvin:
I think the Donald is actually the perfect GOP candidate (from a Democratic point of view) to hold the Obama coalition together for Hillary. At the same time, an awful lot of Republicans are clearly repulsed by him. I don’t think he’s going to get their nomination – but if he did, I think the Democrats would benefit yuuugely.
If the Donald doesn’t get the nomination, I suspect the GOP base will be sufficiently disappointed by whatever “moderate” triumphs over their latest hero that turnout among them would be somewhat depressed, which is another win for Team Hillary.
Cervantes
@Morzer:
Well, sort of.
Anyhow, in the full interview, he alludes to Malaysia (and other nations):
(Caveat: My translation.)
Cervantes
@OzarkHillbilly:
You’ve got to be joking.
You’re not?
Don’t tell me.
Elizabelle
With you to drive this thread up to 800 comments.
Thinking on last night: that debate was a dispatch from a dying and dysfunctional planet. They were telling us that black is green and other lies. That our president is a massive failure and that we have no allies in the world.
It’s crazy talk. Presented on a dying medium. This blog skews midlife and up. Unless they’re political junkies, most Americans were not glued to that debate, and unless they’re GOP already, they thought that was excessive and crazy.
We live in a world where a cool, slender little Muslim kid builds a digital clock, takes it to school, gets arrested, and then — when news gets out on SOCIAL media — gets invited to the White House, to NASA, to JPL, to MIT, and attracts a flock of admirers.
That’s the world we at BJ want to live in, that’s the world that most voters who would vote for a non-crazy person want to live in. It’s the future. It’s the present. It’s what’s real.
I’m thinking that most people who see a lot of that debate — not the carefully polished soundbites that are being served up — will shudder.
Also, as david koch notes, Hillary had a great night on Jimmy Fallon. And Bernie’s out doing interviews. He was just on CNN.
It will be hard, but I think better than even odds we’ll get a favorable vote in 2016.
David Koch
@Morzer:
I think only the elites we see on tee vee are repulsed. The rank and file love him.
Jeb! loses his own home state by 17 points in a one-on-one match-up against Trump. PPP has found wider results in NH and SC.
Trump mania is running wild in the streets. It’s yuuuuuuge.
Morzer
@David Koch:
I should have said that although a lot of Republicans are repulsed by Trump, it’s clear that the aggrieved, paranoid, Tea Party side of things sees him as the whipping they’ve longed to deal out to their RINO traitors for decades now. I don’t think they can get Trump the nomination – but I am sure they’ll try their damnedest. I could see them taking it all the way to the convention and even splitting the party if things go sour enough.
Elizabelle
Did the topic of Ahmed Mohamed come up last night?
Because those debaters would have been on the side of the tech-ignorant English teacher, the school authorities and the police.
They’d still be calling it a “hoax bomb” — as the Irving Police Chief still does — even though (1) it’s a clock; (2) the school did not long think it was a bomb — no evacuation; (3) the child did not say it was a bomb — there was no threat from his end, so how can it be a hoax? And it’s already not a bomb.
Hope the chief stayed out of the cafeteria kitchen. If he saw spilled confectioners’ sugar, it would be “hoax anthrax”, and you can’t tell him differently.
Anyway, those debaters live in a world where what the school did is great because FREEDOM and BE SCARED OF EVERYTHING.
Elizabelle
@Cervantes: Thank you for the kind words.
Realized, as coffee was brewing, that debates like last night are just what you can talk with undecided and infrequent voters about. They probably don’t want to live in that world either.
Saw a tiny bit of Trump’s call in to MSNBC (Mika) this morning, and he does not believe in climate change.
So that all kind of inspires me.
Plus talking about how Meg Whitman blanketed the California airwaves — saturation bombing — and still lost to a good message by Jerry Brown.
Just gonna take a lot of work and working around the media to win 2016. I think and hope the Dem could have big coattails. If the GOP base is sick of the do nothing GOP establishment, it’s not likely the nonGOP voters have not noticed that as well.
Central Planning
800 or bust! Just doin’ my part.
My new favorite FB page: Christians Against Drugs… “When Jesus knocks on your back door, will you let him come inside? You can’t enter Heaven unless Christ enters you!”
Matt McIrvin
@Elizabelle: Specifically, Trump says climate science is a Chinese plot. It was the Chicoms all along, pulling the strings at NOAA and NCAR!
Never mind that the industries we’re going to have to wind down to fight climate change are killing the Chinese faster than anybody.
Cervantes
@Central Planning:
That’s quite enough about your part.
How’s the kid doing at school?
beltane
#777 and counting!
Morzer
@beltane:
*cough*
Amir Khalid
@Central Planning:
I suspect a spoof. No, really.
I’ll freely admit that I am not the world’s foremost expert on recreational drugs. But users don’t inject “the marijuanas” into their veins, do they? And since when was Lindsay Lohan known as Taylor Swift? That is some truly inspired nonsense.
Morzer
@Amir Khalid:
You don’t think that Jesus coming inside someone’s backdoor is enough of a clue?
Paul in KY
@Right to Rise: That’s gotta be you, DougJ!
Amir Khalid
@Morzer:
One could plausibly attribute that to, shall we say, innocence about certain life experiences.
Central Planning
@Cervantes:
Thanks for asking. He’s doing great. Classes are interesting, he’s making friends, and has just brief text message exchanges with me. He and a friend have been going to ballroom and tango lessons (to meet girls), and the campus just started playing humans vs. zombies. I had this exchange with him:
CP: Are you doing humans vs. zombies?
Son of CP: Yeah
CP: H or z?
SoCP: I’m a zombie now. Started out a human.
CP: That wasn’t long. What happened?
SoCP: Followed orders.
CP: You know who else followed orders?
SoCP: Nazis.
I’ve trained him well :)
Central Planning
@Amir Khalid:
Mariguanas cracks me up every time I read it.
The “What’s really in a nug?” is funny too. Smallpox, agent orange, “GMO”
Cervantes
@Central Planning:
That sounds great!
Glad all is well and that you’re in touch.
Paul in KY
@Mnemosyne (tablet): If they can’t be ‘self-critical’, then you need to fill in for them with criticism!
DanR2
After watching about an hour of that “debate,” I’d say Hillary is looking really really good.
Paul in KY
@Gin & Tonic: Have heard that happen with some animals, but never a human.
Paul in KY
@Morzer:Secretariat was a big favorite in all 3 year races. Carly probably doesn’t know that, or care.
Morzer
@Amir Khalid:
Once again, Obama has failed you
Paul in KY
@BillinGlendaleCA: Maybe a Freudian slip there….
Elizabelle
@DanR2: From your lips!
I think so too.
Central Planning
@Morzer:
Numbers don’t go high enough to count that.
SiubhanDuinne
@Central Planning:
Although this thread is definitely giving it the old college try.
Morzer
@Paul in KY:
I’ll tell you something else Carly doesn’t know: Helen “Penny” Chenery, Secretariat’s owner, has been a Democratic donor for the last 20 years of her very long life.
Central Planning
@SiubhanDuinne:
I know! So close…
Morzer
@Central Planning:
Yes, we can!
Paul in KY
@NotMax: Pervo was one of those asshole Sackville-Bagginses.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
What? Still not at 800? Slackers…
Cheers,
Scott.
Paul in KY
@Morzer: I knew I liked her! She is a class lady.
Edit: Morzer & I coming thru for 800!
Central Planning
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
Bingo!
ETA: Dammit.
Morzer
@Paul in KY:
She’s amazingly venerable – born in 1922, and last donated to the GOP in 1996!
Paul in KY
@Morzer: That’s pretty damn old. My dad was born in 1924 & still truckin.
Edit: And a lifelong hater of the GOP!
Amir Khalid
This must be the longest comment thread I’ve ever seen here.
Morzer
@Amir Khalid:
Ah, what a rich education your naive young self is receiving tonight!
Applejinx
I’m still waiting for someone to bring up Dildo Baggins.
Cervantes
@Morzer:
Nowadays she supports the Democrats, you’re right, but in the past she has supported Republicans, including Mitch McConnell (which perhaps makes sense).
PS: And I imagine you’re right, too, that Fiorina is unaware of all this — but I don’t think it matters: what she implied is that she is inspired by the horse, not the owner.
Paul in KY
@Cervantes: I do give somewhat of a pass to real rich people who vote GOP. They do have selfish fiscal reasons for voting for them.
Unlike the poor single issue nimrods who vote GOP. Which, for them, is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.
schrodinger's cat
Will this thread reach a 1000 by lunch time?
schrodinger's cat
1000 by lunch time? I say the probability is less than 0.5
Elizabelle
@Morzer: So glad to hear about Mrs. Penny Chenery.
Thanking her for supporting the Democrats, and wish her a continued long life of happiness and prosperity.
Oh. And another great horse.
Morzer
@Cervantes:
I quite like the idea of a Trump attack ad pointing out that Secretariat the horse is owned by a Democratic donor… would Secretariat the supposed Republican also be owned by her secret Democratic backers? Cue the melodramatic music and so on.
Elizabelle
You heard it first from Andy Borowitz: Fact Checking Reveals G.O.P. Debate Was Four Per Cent Fact
I trust Borowitz over Glenn Kessler any damn day of the week.
redshirt
Hello long thread!
Cervantes
@Morzer:
If you can get Trump to fall for that, you’re better at sales than I am.
(Of course, you may be better at sales regardless.)
joel hanes
@Applejinx:
This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Grinds hard stones to meal;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.
tybee
@Applejinx:
you need to find a copy of “Bored of the Rings”.