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GOP Debate Open Thread

by John Cole|  February 6, 20168:50 pm| 205 Comments

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I’m watching WVU play Baylor, but figured some of you would want to chronicle the nonsense for us to check later.

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  1. 1.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2016 at 8:53 pm

    Christie shivved Rubio, which was a joy to watch even though Christie is a horrible person.

  2. 2.

    Gravenstone

    February 6, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    Mythbusters here, to be followed by Outrageous Acts of Science at the top of the hour. The only thing I want to hear about the Republican debate is that the hall suffered a meteor strike.

  3. 3.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    love watching christie go after rubio; though christie is horrible i think carson is sleepin

  4. 4.

    oldgold

    February 6, 2016 at 8:56 pm

    Christie laying haymakers directly on Rubio’s chin. Just brutal.

  5. 5.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    I’m rooting for injuries.

  6. 6.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 8:57 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: I know, I thought I actually agree with Christie, whocoodanode? I guess its everybody pile onto Rubio night tonight.

  7. 7.

    pseudonymous in nc

    February 6, 2016 at 8:59 pm

    Primetime on ABC: Everybody Hates Mario

  8. 8.

    khead

    February 6, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    Have a fresh batch of rescue kittehs.

  9. 9.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 6, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    So Christie will get a fundraising boost and delude himself there’s a reason to carry on to So Carolina? And if Katich does at all well, he’ll hang on, too, and the “respectable” vote remains divided? Wish I could place a bet

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 12m12 minutes ago
    Rubio looks like he’s wandered into the trees on a dark night.
    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 26m26 minutes ago
    I hate Christie but I’ll take him wiping the floor with Rubio like that.

  10. 10.

    schrodinger's cat

    February 6, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @khead: They are full of win and awesome and so are you!

  11. 11.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    @Mary G: I thought Trump’s horribleness had left no room for Christie’s bully boy act, but I guess it still has its used.

  12. 12.

    lgerard

    February 6, 2016 at 9:05 pm

    Hmmmm

    how would you unlink healthcare from employment?

    Well you would have to set up a marketplace exchange………

    never mind

  13. 13.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: @Iowa Old Lady: O/T, I read your book on Kindle Unlimited and really enjoyed it . xSorry I can’t figure out how to link on this tablet.

  14. 14.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    great scene between jeb and trump on who is in the audience all RNC donors

  15. 15.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    Holy crap. The crowd is booing Trump because the fool said eminent domain was great.

  16. 16.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2016 at 9:09 pm

    @Mary G: I think I love you.

  17. 17.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 6, 2016 at 9:10 pm

    This is hilarious.

  18. 18.

    Mike J

    February 6, 2016 at 9:11 pm

    Will probably catch the replay of the Leicester City – Man City game.

  19. 19.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    do you notice the moderators are not the force behind pushing the attacks here – it’s like each of them are waiting for an opening to go after someone

    except carson who is still sleeping

  20. 20.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 6, 2016 at 9:12 pm

    How lovely, they’re booing Trump. Repeatedly. And the Christie-Rubio ding-dong was a thing of beauty.

  21. 21.

    lgerard

    February 6, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    i think they were booing him because he said the audience was all campaign contributors…they look like all kids to me

  22. 22.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    February 6, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    @Mary G: I have not gotten around to her book yet. It’s sitting on my Kindle with enough other stuff to prove that I can assemble a virtual pile of unread books just as efficiently as I can assemble a material one.

  23. 23.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    Chris Christie went full Jersey on Rubio. Good time.

  24. 24.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:15 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: Our current GOP is an ever expanding universe of horribleness that has no edge and can expand forever.

    I’m home and involuntarily exposed to this stuff. Folks want to watch and yell at the TV.
    If you ignore the senselessness, and take it as a talent show for seriously impaired mental freaks, it might qualify as an acquired taste.

    I’ll try to stay out of earshot as much as possible.

  25. 25.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    The opening of the debate was awesome, too. These guys actually had difficulty walking on to the stage.

  26. 26.

    khead

    February 6, 2016 at 9:17 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    We love them. Gonna be hard to let go of them but we already have a house full of kittehs. There’s still more – two kittens and two adults, including the Mom – and we are trying to find homes for all of them. The kittens are easy. I could take bids on those two.

  27. 27.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    If Rubio is the nominee, the Secret Service is going to have special training to prevent face-slap attacks.

  28. 28.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Right now I’m reading Billy Flynn’s Long Halftime Walk, which is fitting for Superb Owl weekend since it takes place mostly at a football game. But your book is on my kindle, I think second in the queue.

  29. 29.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    February 6, 2016 at 9:18 pm

    The Gophers tied North Dakota in the rematch from last night. That pretty much ends any hopes of winning the WCHA regular season title. Amanda Kessel looked rustier than she did last night.

    It was the same problem we’ve had a lot recently: lousy finishing in front of the net. A ton of whiffed shots and mishandled passes.

  30. 30.

    Doug R

    February 6, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    @Gravenstone: We gotta wait until tomorrow for Mythbusters so at least we have something to watch while the not-Seahawks play the not-Seahawks in the uber candy dish.

  31. 31.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:20 pm

    @jl: Rubio reminds me of a ventriloquist’s puppet.

  32. 32.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: If you sent your book out to Kickstarter contributors who gave a tiny amount , it’s sitting in my email queue .

  33. 33.

    Kropadope

    February 6, 2016 at 9:21 pm

    @Doug R: That’s a good idea. I’m gonna be at work while the not-Patriots play.

  34. 34.

    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    February 6, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    Pasta, it sure would be nice if all these scum sucking shitheels cut each other so badly that they all bled to death before November.

  35. 35.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    February 6, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    What the hell is going on with Rubio and that canned speech about Obama? Is that the fourth time or the fifth time he’s said the same thing?

    Drugs?

  36. 36.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 6, 2016 at 9:23 pm

    Very clear to me now: the GOP nominee will be one of the three governors — Bush, Christie, or Kasich.

  37. 37.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    @Gravenstone: Don’t forget Mountain Monsters at 10. Watch John Cole’s neighbors try to find a bigfoot!

  38. 38.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:24 pm

    @beltane: Rubio has memmorized reams of BS. That is how it sounds.

    Jeb is smart enough to not repeat ‘gotta let the big dawgs eat’ when answering the tax question.

  39. 39.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:25 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: @Mary G: @Renie: @oldgold: Okay, I got in at 9 – went to dinner. Got in just in time to watch Jeb! try to go after Trump on eminent domain. So what happened. What did Christie actually do?

  40. 40.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 9:26 pm

    Jeb is trying hard to be tough tonight, but talking about moochers like me is so 2012 Romney lite.

  41. 41.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    February 6, 2016 at 9:27 pm

    @Mary G: Yep. You were on the distribution list I sent the .epub version to.

  42. 42.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne: Kasich as most competence (very weak praise with group) would be least disastrous (but not least disastrous enough to let you sleep well at night).

    Cruz definition of targeted saturation carpet bombing good example of the idiotic nonsense that these idiots have spewed almost continuously.

    Edit: Cruz descends into complete gibberish.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: electro shock based programming.

  44. 44.

    lgerard

    February 6, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    The lies and exaggeration rate per minute are too much for me

    Time to watch Queen of Outer Space with Zsa Zsa Gabor, it will surely make more sense then this

  45. 45.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 6, 2016 at 9:28 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Basically, Christie said Rubio lacked experience and Rubio gave an answer saying Obama blah blah. Then Christie said see that’s his 25 second canned answer. And Rubio, like the fool he is, repeated it at least twice in the next 5 minutes, with Christie pointing and laughing. Rubio has given it at least one more time since.

  46. 46.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 9:29 pm

    Cruz just said “America has always been reluctant to use military force….”.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

  47. 47.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Obama disrespects Israel. Obama is making the US like the rest of the world. Obama disrespects Israel. Obama is making the US like the rest of the world.

    In the old days, we would have said that Rubio sounds like a broken record. Now we say he sounds like a mindless bot.

  48. 48.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:30 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: You shut up. You let Trump talk. Trump STRONG!

  49. 49.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: christie keeps pointing out that rubio doesn’t answer question just keeps repeating bullshit. Rubio renforced what christie said by repeating at least three times the same five or six lines of sentences when he talked

    it’s like someone is repeating rubio’s tapes

  50. 50.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 6, 2016 at 9:31 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Tried to update from my phone, but FYWP wouldn’t take edit: I would now say, not Bush. I think it comes down to Christie or Kasich for all the marbles.

  51. 51.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 6, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    Cruz:

    “Now when I say saturation/carpet bombing, that’s not indiscriminate”

    Oy.

    You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    For one thing:

    Carpet bombing is considered a war crime[6] as of the 1977 Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions.

    I can’t believe anyone is considering any one of these clowns for election to anything.

  52. 52.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 6, 2016 at 9:32 pm

    @Renie:

    Rubio is completely robotic.

    Robio. Robotio. Rubotic.

  53. 53.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:33 pm

    Trump will take all the pre-bombed oil?

  54. 54.

    Magatha

    February 6, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    Holy shit, Trump wants to bomb the oil and take the oil. Et fucking cetera. Am I hallucinating? Must go do something else. Anything else.

  55. 55.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:34 pm

    @Renie: Rubio-bot is coming up with nothing but 404 error messages tonight.

  56. 56.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 6, 2016 at 9:35 pm

    @Magatha: I’m with you. I couldn’t take more than five minutes.

  57. 57.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Magatha: They have all said idiotic things. You have to talk like a rank moron to appeal to the audience.

  58. 58.

    Magatha

    February 6, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    Dr. Carson awakens. Caliphate blah blah.

  59. 59.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    What was Cruz talking about earlier with North Korean nuclear satellites disrupting the earth’s magnetic field? It felt like he was channeling Curtis LeMay.

  60. 60.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:36 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: ok, tracking now.

  61. 61.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    I can’t believe anyone is considering any one of these clowns for election to anything.

    Martha Raddatz knows ten times more than the whole lot of them combined about the Middle East and US foreign policy.

  62. 62.

    Magatha

    February 6, 2016 at 9:37 pm

    I’m gonna go watch The Man in the High Castle. At least it’s fiction.

  63. 63.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Marco said in two answers that it’s not true that Barack Obama doesn’t know what he’s doing, he knows exactly what he is doing, namely destroying America . Christie broke in to say Marco can only recite 25 – second memorized sound bites. For whatever reason, Marco said the same thing two more times and Christie pointed it out with a stilletto and a magnificent eye-roll.

  64. 64.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Mandalay: Not just that, but apparently the good veterans of New Hampshire know more than the Commander of Combined Joint Task Force Operation Inherent Resolve (CJTF OIR) about what is going on and what should be done. Just for everyone’s info the CJTF OIR Commander was the Brigade Combat Team Commander in 2006 who cleared the Corridor of Death in Anbar Province. So he does know what he’s doing.

  65. 65.

    Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)

    February 6, 2016 at 9:38 pm

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
    I told you before the season started to put money on Wisconsin, but you thought my reason was dumb & you ignored me. Right now I am afraid next year is not going to be better. I found out WI got a player that is comparable to Kelly Terry, it could be the start of the dry season for MN.

    I need to drop a review on goodreads, your work deserves a lot of attention.

  66. 66.

    raven

    February 6, 2016 at 9:39 pm

    “I’d bring back waterboarding and a hell of a lot more”

    YEAH, WHOO HOOO

  67. 67.

    Kropadope

    February 6, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Martha Raddatz knows ten times more than the whole lot of them combined about the Middle East and US foreign policy.

    She might even know who the fuck Marta Raddatz is.

  68. 68.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:40 pm

    i’m sure there’s going to be at least 3 or 4 gifs tomorrow of rubio repeating his sentences over and over

  69. 69.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 9:41 pm

    Trump: “I’ll bring back waterboarding, and a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding!”.

    He’s such a rough tough cream puff.

  70. 70.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @Renie: His answer about dealing with ISIS certainly backs that up. Rubio says (accurately) that ISIS wants to suck the US in for a battle in Dabiq, Syria that would usher in their understanding of the apocalypse. Rubio then, amazingly, says that we need to put overwhelming numbers of personnel on the ground to fight them on their turf, which would be providing ISIS with their apocalyptic battle in Dabiq, Syria. He’s good at memorization, not so much at critical or strategic thinking.

  71. 71.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    February 6, 2016 at 9:42 pm

    @jl:

    Satire is truly dead, outrun by reality.

    http://www.thismodernworld.com/arc/2007/TMW10-24-07colorlowrescopy.jpg

  72. 72.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 6, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @Renie:

    it’s like someone is repeating rubio’s tapes

    That’s Macro Rubio for you.

  73. 73.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @beltane: The EMP threat BS. Peddler in chief for profit is Speaker Gingrich.

  74. 74.

    raven

    February 6, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Our buddy says the 101st is suiting up to go back to Iraq.

    “Ah, I was told today that two brigades of the 101st Airborne Division are going to Iraq, not just one.”

  75. 75.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:44 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He’s good at memorization, not so much at critical or strategic thinking.

    I’d say that Rubio is like a parrot but that would be minimizing a parrot’s critical thinking skills.

  76. 76.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    Ted Cruz needs to get some of that spray paint men put on their heads. Every time he lowers his head, I can see the bald spot shining through.

  77. 77.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:45 pm

    @Renie:

    ” Christie or Kasich for all the marbles ”

    Christie or Kasich probably only ones that have all their marbles. But they are toast unless they hide that from the GOP voters.

    Oh Boy! Trump! Big deals, great deals, fantastic deals, fantastic deals. The biggest best classiest deals. Deals deals deals. Have to admit I like listening to that shit. Means absolutely nothing, but fun.

    Kasich said ‘plead’ Kasich WEAK.

  78. 78.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:46 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you, Adam. It sounded like wingnut sci-fi BS but I wasn’t 100% sure.

  79. 79.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:47 pm

    @jl: YOUUGGGEE DEALS!!!!!

  80. 80.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 9:48 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel:

    Domo arigato Marco Roboto.

  81. 81.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Exactly. Rubio has memorized reams of material like a good little boy. Seems to have no clue what he is mouthing. Absolutely none.

    But all of them have spewed idiot nonsense. But at least they can make it up on the fly.

    Rubio almost irresistibly slappable little creep.

  82. 82.

    beltane

    February 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @Mary G: Cruz would have made a good character on the Addams Family. The deceased Cousin Ghoul who keeps escaping from the crypt.

  83. 83.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @lgerard:

    Today is ZsaZsa’s 99th birthday. I assume this is tribute to her?

  84. 84.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @jl:

    Cruz descends into complete gibberish.

    Cruz is a top notch bullshitter. He thinks that by oozing gravitas and talking pompously he’s showing us that he’s the man.

    Unfortunately for him, I suspect that the fact checkers later this evening will be throwing him in the wood chipper for the lies and bullshit he’s been spewing tonight.

  85. 85.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:49 pm

    @raven: I just took a look and didn’t see anything on the front page. Was it in a comment to a post?

  86. 86.

    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel

    February 6, 2016 at 9:51 pm

    @MomSense:

    :-)

  87. 87.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @beltane: There’s a neo-Con driven cottage industry in promoting an electro magnetic pulse threat. Not just a tactical threat, but a strategic, threat to national survival level threat. They make a lot of money off of it. I’ve yet to see anyone pitch it that I find making a convincing argument.

  88. 88.

    Amir Khalid

    February 6, 2016 at 9:52 pm

    @jl:
    That can’t be right. Saying Cruz “descends” into complete gibberish implies he came down from a place of not-complete-gibberish.

  89. 89.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    OK, white people on bad drugs. Jeez, so tragic, have to understand the tragedy.
    Cruz blames brown people, and will beat them for making sad white dope fiends.

    I think the implicit racism in how these very special and very sad white people drug problems treated is disgusting. I guess these goofs are either blind to it or utterly shameless racists and bigots. Or both of course.

  90. 90.

    raven

    February 6, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: About halfway down.

  91. 91.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 9:53 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel:

    This can’t really he happening in 2016? Can it? It’s just so barbaric. The candidates are proudly ignorant.

  92. 92.

    max

    February 6, 2016 at 9:54 pm

    @beltane: I’d say that Rubio is like a parrot but that would be minimizing a parrot’s critical thinking skills.

    I was lying there trying to sleep last night and somehow (by way of detour on the merits of American Psycho (the movie)), I started trying to think of what Heliumhead should be doing instead of running for President, a job for which he is entirely unequipped. (Say what you will about Ted Cruz but he has at least some of the requisite equipment for being President, such as a brain, which Rubio lacks.) So I started thinking he could be like the character in what movie?

    I couldn’t come up with a single movie character that he would represent, until it occurred to me, that this scene is probably the only kind of role Rubio is equipped to play.

    max
    [‘”What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.” — something too intelligent for Rubio to say.’]

  93. 93.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @Amir Khalid: I am using when Cruz gave his name correctly in his intro as the baseline. But, I can see your point.

  94. 94.

    Cacti

    February 6, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @Mandalay:

    Cruz is a top notch bullshitter. He thinks that by oozing gravitas and talking pompously he’s showing us that he’s the man.

    Unfortunately for him, I suspect that the fact checkers later this evening will be throwing him in the wood chipper for the lies and bullshit he’s been spewing tonight.

    Cruz is that rare bird that even his political allies hate on a personal level.

    I wonder how often he got punched in the junk throughout high school.

  95. 95.

    seaboogie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:55 pm

    @khead: Kitties so cute – and an excellent antidote to the GOP insanity. We haven’t had an update on Miri and her kittens for a while it seems – wonder what they are up to these days…?

  96. 96.

    Keith P.

    February 6, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @Amir Khalid: It’s ironic that Rubio gets slaughtered for reciting the same scripted response to different questions, but Cruz does it all the time. I mean, right out of the gates, he was asked if Trump has the temperament to be president, and Cruz’ answer was “The American people can make that determination. We’ve had 7 years of Barack Obama’s failed policies…” The moderator responded this lengthy diatribe with “Yeah, but does Donald Trump have the temperament to be president.”

  97. 97.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 9:56 pm

    @max:

    I volunteer to deliver the eugoogley for his political career.

  98. 98.

    geg6

    February 6, 2016 at 9:57 pm

    I thank you all for subjecting yourselves to this shit for the rest of us.

    As to what’s on my mind, anyone who isn’t watching “American Crime” is missing some of the best, most provocative tv I’ve ever seen. Amazing that it’s broadcast tv. Just goes to show how HBO, AMC, Netflix, etc. have changed everything when it comes to how to provide quality tv. And why films suck and tv rules.

  99. 99.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    email and benghazi has arisen

    carson who is running a ponzi scheme calls hillary deceitful – what a joke

  100. 100.

    Heliopause

    February 6, 2016 at 9:58 pm

    I might have mentioned this a time or twenty, but Rubio is a smarmy little prick. I swear to Christ but Cruz and Trump come off as genuine compared to this little box of pimples.

  101. 101.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 9:59 pm

    @raven: Okay, saw it. I have no idea what to say about it. I have no doubt someone told him that. I have no way of verifying it. I find it hard to believe we’re going to send 10,000 Soldiers to work as combat advisors in Iraq. On the other hand he is in DC and he does have excellent contacts.

  102. 102.

    raven

    February 6, 2016 at 10:00 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Yea, that’s what I was thinking. I guess we really wouldn’t be trying to sneak up on them so it’s not some big security breach. . .but, wait, maybe it is!!!!

  103. 103.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @jl:

    Rubio has memorized reams of material like a good little boy.

    I think Christie has done real harm to Rubio’s campaign tonight.

    I’m hopeful that even the average voter will realize that Rubio has no achievements, always ducks the question, and just regurgitates his memorized talking points. (“twenty-first century…”, “greatest nation the world has ever seen…”, “secure the border…”, “when I’m president…”, “Obama is destroying America…”)

    Rubio is a fraud and a mediocrity.

  104. 104.

    Just One More Canuck

    February 6, 2016 at 10:01 pm

    @jl: White Punks On Dope?

  105. 105.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 10:02 pm

    do these guys know obama is not running again cuz someone needs to tell rubio this

  106. 106.

    raven

    February 6, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @Renie: You gots to give the peoples what they want!

  107. 107.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    @raven: If they’re going, you’re supposed to maintain OPSEC and not discuss it. But at the same time everyone near FT Campbell will know because the preparations are impossible to miss. Also, the DIV COS is a former student of mine – or was, he may have rotated out. When he took the 4BCT/101 ABN DIV to AF as brigade commander the last time in 2012, he asked me to come in and do the predeployment prep and certification course for his personnel. When they went to AF in 2009 I was brought in by the Division command group to do prep for the Division Command Group and Staff, the BCT Commanders, Deputy Commanders, XOs, and Command Sergeants Major, and the Battalion Commanders, XOs, and Command Sergeants Major. So I would expect someone to email me and ask if I was available to do a prep course this time. But that’s never a given and, again, anything is possible.

  108. 108.

    Jinx

    February 6, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @geg6: There are not enough superlatives to describe American Crime. Last season was excellent but this season is superb. The topic they choses hits so many current issues. The cast is amazing and provocative is a great way to describe it. The way John Ridley has written this and unfolds the issue from each characters point of view without preaching or beating you one the head is excellent.

  109. 109.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    February 6, 2016 at 10:07 pm

    @Bill E Pilgrim: oh my god, that was like something out of Veep. Trump and Carson briefly made Jeb and Marco look cool

  110. 110.

    redshirt

    February 6, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @Magatha:

    I’m gonna go watch The Man in the High Castle. At least it’s fiction.

    I really enjoyed it. If you’ve ever wondered what a NAZI 4th of July would look like, this show’s for you!

  111. 111.

    Frankensteinbeck

    February 6, 2016 at 10:08 pm

    @Heliopause:
    Cruz and Trump are genuine. The narcissist believes that whatever he’s saying right now is true. If he says something different ten seconds later, he believes that when he says it. If you point out the discrepancy, generally he goes apeshit furious about how you don’t know what you’re talking about.

  112. 112.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    Kasich on policing is reason he can’t win in GOP primary. They don’t want to hear that stuff.

    Mosque question for the little punk. Rubio’s content writer tries to string together symbolic bullshit that tries but fails to even appear to make any sense.

  113. 113.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    @Jinx: Huh, for a moment, I thought you were recapping the GOPers on American crime. But you were talking about American Crime.

  114. 114.

    schrodinger's cat

    February 6, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    @beltane: That sounds like bullshit on steroids.

  115. 115.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 10:12 pm

    How long is this thing going to go on? An hour of listening to these maroons feels like it is six hours of regular life.

  116. 116.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I think this story started when the Greek and Israeli Foreign Ministers had a joint press conference earlier this month. The US Ambassador to Turkey denied the story. Who knows.

  117. 117.

    Trentrunner

    February 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    THAT NURSE CHRISTIE QUARANTINED FOR EBOLA DID NOT HAVE SYMPTOMS!

    Oh my Christ, why cannot these debates have a minimum level of goddamn fact-checking.

  118. 118.

    Heliopause

    February 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    Martha Raddatz, got a newsflash for ya. This is the GOP electorate. They remember Pearl Harbor better than the last ebola case. Why don’t you ask about Benny Goodman, you’ll get as relevant a response.

  119. 119.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm

    @MomSense: That makes sense. 1,000 personnel I could see, two whole Brigade Combat Teams? I’d be surprised given the stated position of the Administration.

  120. 120.

    jane2

    February 6, 2016 at 10:16 pm

    @Iowa Old Lady: How did I miss this book?? Link, pls.

  121. 121.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I would think we would be pretty discreet about this situation given that the interests of the actors involved are not completely aligned.

  122. 122.

    Felonius Monk

    February 6, 2016 at 10:18 pm

    I’m thoroughly disappointed. I was looking forward to Trump coming out tonight, turning to Jeb and saying Where’s Your Mommy? I think that would have put the final nail in Jeb’s political coffin.

  123. 123.

    max

    February 6, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @MomSense: I volunteer to deliver the eugoogley for his political career.

    As long as you spell potatoe correctly!

    max
    [‘The candidate with the lowest IQ wins!’]

  124. 124.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    I know Charlie Pierce loves her, but upon sober reflection I have determined that I really dislike Martha Radish or whatever her name is.

  125. 125.

    geg6

    February 6, 2016 at 10:19 pm

    @Jinx:

    It’s just blowing me away! I can’t believe it’s not generating crazy ass buzz. Completely mesmerizing in every way: writing, direction, acting, editing, casting. Just beautiful, wrenching, emotional, and technically perfect in every way. Best thing I’ve ever seen on tv. Last season was good, but this is ten levels above. Amazing.

  126. 126.

    Gravenstone

    February 6, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Sorry, I absolutely despise the whole “rednecks behaving badly” sub-genre that has saturated TV in recent years. I suppose it really started with “Cops”, and just spiraled into ever more outlandish iterations.

  127. 127.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:20 pm

    @MomSense: Correct. If I had been asked to do a prep course, I wouldn’t have even responded to raven’s comment.

  128. 128.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    The doorbell buzzers are making my dog nuts.

  129. 129.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    GOD, Marco Rubio is a sniveling little piece of shit.

  130. 130.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 10:22 pm

    Love, Love, Love the local anchor and his questions! “None of you people on the stage has ever worn a uniform, sorry to point that out, but it is the truth.

  131. 131.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    @Gravenstone: But they’re Cole’s neighbors looking for Bigfoot!!!! I fully expect that one show they will actually get something in their trap and when they put the lights on it it will be Cole, in a bathrobe and one slipper bending over to pick up after one of his four foots and trying to figure out just what they hell is going on. That would be must see TV!

  132. 132.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    any comments on tonite’s winner

  133. 133.

    Omnes Omnibus

    February 6, 2016 at 10:23 pm

    Why are you people doing this to yourselves?

  134. 134.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    I don’t mean it in a nasty way, but Kasich tends to twitch and flop like a marionette. Is that a medical issue, or just his manner? Either way, it can’t be helping his campaign.

    (A few months ago Jeb? was hunching his shoulders, leaning forward, and putting his arms in weird positions, but I think his minders have stopped him doing that.)

  135. 135.

    Heliopause

    February 6, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Now don’t go easy on him.

  136. 136.

    schrodinger's cat

    February 6, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Don’t tell me that he wanders around in his neighborhood in a bathrobe.

  137. 137.

    Felonius Monk

    February 6, 2016 at 10:25 pm

    Marco reminds me of a little boy whose testicles have not yet descended.

  138. 138.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Heliopause: He sounds so WEAK. And PETULANT. God.

    He seems like one of those dudes who spends more time preening in front of the mirror than his wife.

  139. 139.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @schrodinger’s cat: with a Steeler’s towel wrapped around his shoulders like a shawl…

    Actually, I have no idea. I just seem to remember a post or two of his mentioning the bathrobe, so I worked it in.

  140. 140.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 10:26 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Marco Rubio is a sniveling little piece of shit.

    In case you missed it, Christie mocked the hell out of him earlier in the debate. He gave Rubio a massive verbal shit kicking.

  141. 141.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:27 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I did take a break to watch Lip Sync Battke with my 12 year old. He says he finds it funny but I’m pretty sure he is watching because Chrissy Teigen’s boobs almost came out of her dress in a previous episode.

  142. 142.

    Baud

    February 6, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Why are you people doing this to yourselves?

    Opposition research for the Baud! 2016! campaign.

  143. 143.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:28 pm

    Abortion. Drink!

  144. 144.

    schrodinger's cat

    February 6, 2016 at 10:29 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: Quite the fashion plate!

  145. 145.

    Frankensteinbeck

    February 6, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Mandalay:

    I think his minders have stopped him doing that.

    His nanny.

  146. 146.

    Gravenstone

    February 6, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Cacti: Obviously not often enough, as he’s been able to breed.

  147. 147.

    Baud

    February 6, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Old Dan and Little Anne:

    Abortion. Drink!

    Definitely not a Democratic debate.

  148. 148.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:30 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I said the same thing about Rubio practicing his lines in the bathroom mirror in the previous thread. He seems to me like an adolescent playing dress up with a bad case of flop sweat.

  149. 149.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    Jeb “respects” Rubio’s opposition to abortion for women who have been raped.

    Spineless coward respects evil sicko.

  150. 150.

    Frankensteinbeck

    February 6, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Baud:
    You can’t ask Democrats about abortion. My god, they might start talking about how government policy matters in people’s lives!

  151. 151.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    that’s disgusting they let christie get away with saying hillary is for selling baby body parts

  152. 152.

    redshirt

    February 6, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Why are you people doing this to yourselves?

    They’re doing us, and the world, a service.

    Godspeed, debate watchers!

  153. 153.

    SiubhanDuinne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Watching debate on iPad, commenting mostly from phone which doesn’t reflect recent nym change. No worries, still a scoundrel.

  154. 154.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    Marco Rubio is such a pissant.

  155. 155.

    geg6

    February 6, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    @MomSense:

    This, exactly.

  156. 156.

    Baud

    February 6, 2016 at 10:35 pm

    @Renie:

    they let christie get away with saying hillary is for selling baby body parts

    Completely unfair. Bernie’s baby parts business is just as lucrative.

  157. 157.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    @Mandalay: I liked it. I know Christie is a horrible person, but I do find his absolutely straightforward asshole presentation refreshing. I cannot deal with the used car salesmen (Crubio).

    @MomSense: He’s so gross. He reminds me of dudes at the club who roofie girls’ drinks.

  158. 158.

    FlipYrWhig

    February 6, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    @Baud: His are handcrafted and artisanal, not like Hillary’s mass-produced corporate chain.

  159. 159.

    Heliopause

    February 6, 2016 at 10:38 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Let me just say this; I would do Marco Rubio, provided he were female, looked totally different, was age of consent, not a complete fucking amoral prick, and my partner never found out.

  160. 160.

    Ruckus

    February 6, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    I like that the rethugs are running against the current president and almost not at all against each other. In a primary race. Is it possible that they don’t understand that they have to win the nomination to even get to be the rethug candidate?

  161. 161.

    zzyzx

    February 6, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    My favorite part was Rubio saying that the Air Force was now the smallest in our country’s history. I forgot about our 18th century air power.

  162. 162.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Chris Christie should never bend over if there are cameras behind him. Need brain bleach!

  163. 163.

    TaMara (BHF)

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Mary G: @Tissue Thin Pseudonym: I think it’s time for an Authors in Our Midst thread, maybe later this week. If you guys email me links I’ll put the thread together. Pass it on to anyone else you know here who has something we should read.

    whats4dinnersolutions (at) live (dot) com

  164. 164.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: I heard lots and lots of war and deployment rumors from our mortgage banker months before the Iraq War. She was hearing lots of things from people at the Pentagon and elsewhere. It taught me that no matter how good the information she had really was, it wasn’t real until it actually happened.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  165. 165.

    Baud

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Ruckus: Their voters really hate Obama.

  166. 166.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @zzyzx: Porter Alexander did go up in a balloon during the Civil War.

  167. 167.

    The Lodger

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    John Kasich:”You’ve changed me,”

    Who do you think you are? David Vitter?

  168. 168.

    Old Dan and Little Anne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Baud: Hillary can’t let the public know she’ll abort babies on their due date. Fucking Rubio.

  169. 169.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:40 pm

    @Heliopause: He’s soooooo into his appearance. Like Edwards. Both of them skeeve me out.

  170. 170.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    @Suzanne:

    I honestly can’t decide whether Cruz or Rubio is creepier. Did you see the raw/outtake footage from the Cruz ad that was posted on YouTube? His family members are even creepy and strange.

  171. 171.

    Mary G

    February 6, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    Rubio’s teenage daughter wants no part of this crap.

  172. 172.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: We had something funny happen before we deployed. The BCT’s counterintel guys started to complain that OPSEC was being broken because the local paper in Baumholder was writing stories about the brigade deploying and the local attempt to lobby the DOD to ensure that the brigade would come back and the base would stay open. Our Intel Officer in Charge, who is a good friend of mine and is one of the best MI guys I know, basically told them that OPSEC is important, but given that we keep trucking conexes of brigade gear to the train station and putting them on rails for shipment to Iraq that everyone already knows we’re going somewhere.

  173. 173.

    MomSense

    February 6, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @Adam L Silverman:

    He should never wear a tight fitting baseball uniform again either.

    Moose Knuckle is not a good look.

  174. 174.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:44 pm

    @The Lodger: Did they use powder or lotion?

  175. 175.

    Renie

    February 6, 2016 at 10:45 pm

    below the belt shot by trump to cruz LOL

  176. 176.

    Ruckus

    February 6, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    @Baud:
    Of course I get that but beating him is not the prize at this point.

    Unless of course the prize is not the office but the money. Which seems to be highly likely for most of these clowns.

  177. 177.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    @Adam L Silverman: See, Nobama has us down to a few lousy balloons.

  178. 178.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    I’m watching on my DVR, and I just got to the part where Trump says that he’s not going to let Americans die on the street, and the crowd can’t figure out if they’re supposed to clap or not. Fuckers.

  179. 179.

    Fair Economist

    February 6, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    We should call him Ru-Ru-Rubio (to the tune of Sussudio, the Phil Collins song).

    There’s a line that’s been on my mi-i-ind
    All the ti-i-ime
    Ru-Ru-Rubio!

  180. 180.

    dr. bloor

    February 6, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    @Mary G:

    Love, Love, Love the local anchor and his questions! “None of you people on the stage has ever worn a uniform, sorry to point that out, but it is the truth.

    In his defense, Marco did go trick-or-treating as Batman one year.

  181. 181.

    jl

    February 6, 2016 at 10:48 pm

    @Suzanne: Yeah, the audience reaction to that was weird. Could hear that the audience was conflicted about what Trump was saying.

  182. 182.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    @MomSense: This too.

  183. 183.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    February 6, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Drugs?

    I’ve actually wondered a bit about that, though more regarding his unquenchable thirst and sweating.

  184. 184.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    Trigger Warning: The Power House political team is up!

  185. 185.

    lgerard

    February 6, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Maybe that’s why I felt compelled to watch it

    They don’t make movies like Queen of Outer Space anymore

  186. 186.

    oldgold

    February 6, 2016 at 10:50 pm

    Rubio was hurt badly tonight. Not sure it is time to stick a fork in his candidacy, but he has lost all the mo he took out of Iowa.

  187. 187.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:51 pm

    Now Trump is making sense about eminent domain. This is going to sink his candidacy.

  188. 188.

    Fair Economist

    February 6, 2016 at 10:52 pm

    @Suzanne:

    Trump says that he’s not going to let Americans die on the street

    Why not? He wants to shoot them himself?

  189. 189.

    Adam L Silverman

    February 6, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    Post debate open thread up.

  190. 190.

    max

    February 6, 2016 at 10:53 pm

    @Suzanne: He’s soooooo into his appearance. Like Edwards. Both of them skeeve me out.

    I was supposed to be backing Edwards at the time, but I thought the guy creepy at the time.

    max
    [‘Glad someone else felts that way.’]

  191. 191.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @Renie:

    i’m sure there’s going to be at least 3 or 4 gifs tomorrow of rubio repeating his sentences over and over

    MSNBC has already done it, and Tweety & co just spent 20 minutes eviscerating Rubio for being scripted.

    I honestly believe Tweety had never realized it until Christie pointed it out this evening. The only group more mediocre than our politicians is our media.

  192. 192.

    Ruckus

    February 6, 2016 at 10:54 pm

    @dr. bloor:
    Was that in 2004 or 2005?

  193. 193.

    lgerard

    February 6, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    Is it 2012?

    Is Rubio running against Obama?

  194. 194.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @Fair Economist: Naaah. It’s because he’s not a true believer.

    @max: Edwards always grossed me out. Not sure if it was the accent, the hair, or something else.

  195. 195.

    PhoenixRising

    February 6, 2016 at 10:55 pm

    @Fair Economist: you monster. Phil Collins earworms are the worst.

    Other hand, it’s bumping that fucking Sanders ad from 10 days ago. ‘Michigan seems like a dream to me now…’ was starting to wear on my will to live.

  196. 196.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    February 6, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    @TaMara (BHF): Email sent.

  197. 197.

    Frankensteinbeck

    February 6, 2016 at 10:59 pm

    @TaMara (BHF):
    Done. I have a book coming out, so this is perfect!

  198. 198.

    AliceBlue

    February 6, 2016 at 11:00 pm

    @MomSense:
    Ain’t it the truth? I saw part of that ad on TDS. Trevor Noah was having a good time with it.

  199. 199.

    lgerard

    February 6, 2016 at 11:08 pm

    Oy

    The great Dan Hicks has passed away at 74

    an original

  200. 200.

    Suzanne

    February 6, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    @efgoldman: Brave Sir Marco. You, Sir, win the internet. Haz an internet. Haz two.

  201. 201.

    Mandalay

    February 6, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    @lgerard:

    Is Rubio running against Obama?

    Think dog whistle and it makes perfect sense.

  202. 202.

    tallpete

    February 6, 2016 at 11:56 pm

    SNL host tonight is Larry David. They did a hilarious Curb Your Enthusiasm-like parody skit of Bernie’s IA loss. Good stuff

  203. 203.

    Steeplejack (phone)

    February 7, 2016 at 12:55 am

    @lgerard:

    I guess we can miss him now because he’s really gone away.

  204. 204.

    ChrisH

    February 7, 2016 at 1:55 am

    Rubio reminds me of that scene in total recall where the special disguise mask malfunctions and can’t say anything except “Two weeks”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY5KTVA_2ys

  205. 205.

    Iowa Old Lady

    February 7, 2016 at 7:29 am

    @jane2: Finders Keepers (but not by Stephen King–:-))

    I had to stop watching last night. Parts of my brain were being killed.

    I sent this to TaMara too.

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