Romney had his binders full of women. Kasich had “an army of women.” Via CNN:
Washington (CNN)—Ohio Gov. John Kasich told a Virginia crowd Monday that women “left their kitchens” for him in an early statehouse race…
“Now you call homes and everybody’s out working, but at that time, early days, it was an army of the women that really helped me to get elected to the State Senate.”
Let’s outsource this retort to the Wonkette editrix:
Pregnant Women Run Barefoot From Their Kitchens To Support John Kasich https://t.co/efF554Vo8Q pic.twitter.com/tmfySaBqhS
— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) February 22, 2016
I suspect those armies deployed because Kasich’s craggy features reminded the fairer sex of Harrison Ford. Oh, and yesterday, The Sane One signed a bill to defund Planned Parenthood. He’ll probably cut funding for shoes next.
Open thread!
A Ghost To Most
They are who we think they are. Kasich also too.
Major Major Major Major
This primary can’t be over soon enough. This is even worse than 2008, or maybe my memory is faulty. But I’m just going bonkers here. Can’t even read GOS any more… Y’all are my one refuge and even we’re turning into assholes on some of these threads! And all the crazy conspiracy theories my Bernie friends keep posting on FB… ughhhhhh
Trentrunner
Kasich is a horrible misogynist PPH-defunding asswipe, but it is possible that what he is saying is empirically true.
Of course, we also know that he probably said it fondly, nostalgically, wistfully. Dick.
Brent
To be fair, this is apparently a little out of context. TPM has the details but basically, he was explicitly referring to a time in the past in the late 70s where that was a measurable phenomenon. Not that Kasich isn’t the execrable neanderthal we think he is but I agree with TPM that the quote is not quite what it looks like at first read.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Kasich’s comment is taken out of context. Listen to the whole quote and he’s talking about a race back in the 1970s, which probably occurred during the ERA era.
Kasich isn’t going to win and there’s no point in trying to make this worse than it is.
Matt McIrvin
Kasich was the victim of an out-of-context quote in a misleadingly edited video, according to TPM. He was talking about campaigning in the 1970s, and specifically mentioning that things are different today, but that was cut out. I’d give him this one.
Amir Khalid
This Kasich guy’s as backward-thinking in his social attitudes as any other Republican candidate. Why did The New York Times endorse him?
mark
“Craggy features”? I think you hit a G when you were aiming for a P. Kasich is the opposite of a chick magnet. Every woman I’ve talked to says the same thing about him, Christy and Cruz: “Eew. Yuck!”
rk
So I read just now that Trump could win the presidency because he has massive support from the white working class and one out of four working class democrats support him. Scared the crap out of me. I know it’s huffington post but still. I can’t make sense of it (for PA to go to Trump sounds implausible but who knows?)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-donald-trump-becomes-president_us_56cb5429e4b0928f5a6c9ead
Loviatar
@Major Major Major Major:
Actually its not. There is less of a racial aspect. Bernibros are assholish enough that there is less tolerance for the crap that the Obots got away with in 2008. Its amusing to me to see much of the same crowd who perpetuated the crap in 2008 now decrying similar tactics in 2016 from the Bernibros.
FEEL THE BERN
Major Major Major Major
@rk: general election polls before the conventions are meaningless. Don’t fret.
Iowa Old Lady
@Major Major Major Major: People are anxious and passionate, so I try not to react to the most hostile comments, but it’s not always easy. And I hear you on DK. My recollection is that in 2008, Kos banned people who wouldn’t support Obama once he was the candidate. His motto is more and better Democrats.
Major Major Major Major
@Loviatar: I was including the GOP in my calculation.
Gimlet
The Onion will miss an opportunity if they don’t find Constitutional strict construction to allow Scalia to continue to vote on cases until his replacement is seated and support the Republicans giving Obama a 3/4’s Presidency.
Trentrunner
@Loviatar: I tend to agree, but
1) it’s too soon this cycle to make a comparison with the entire 2008 primary, which ended in May-June
and
2) Sexism is both more pervasive and more acceptable than racism in this country. So this primary might *seem* less horrible, but it could also be that we are less aware of how horrible it is. Certainly, Berniebros are not a good development.
Loviatar
@Major Major Major Major:
Well trade in sexism for racism on the GOP side and its still not as bad. Racism is America’s original sin with sexism a very, very close second.
ruemara
@Major Major Major Major: I feel your pain.
Since it’s open, I have an ultrasound scheduled to double check that I haven’t developed another DVT. I don’t think so, but I’ve had some issues that made me concerned enough to check.
I’ve also scheduled a coffee with someone. Bob as my witless, I think this one is bringing me more heart palpitations. It would be bad form to cancel immediately, correct? Christ, sorry about causing an Apocalypse, people.
Betty Cracker
Regarding the “out of context” issue: I wonder why that woman who heard if for herself — presumably without someone clapping hands over her ears to remove the context — nonetheless felt compelled to note that she wouldn’t be coming out of the kitchen to support Kasich? Could be just that chicks are way too sensitive sometimes.
rk
@Major Major Major Major:
I almost hyperventilated. Because if Trump is the nominee then there is a chance he can win. According to most people it’s slim, but most people have been mostly wrong when they said he’d never last.
Cacti
Since it’s an open thread:
Video surfaces of working class hero Susan Sarandon lecturing and finger wagging entitled elitist Dolores Huerta about who/what she should really be supporting.
Berniebro-ing. It’s not just for dudes.
kindness
Anyone else see Kasich on Colbert last week? Colbert asked him (standard for Colbert now) that if Kasich was on the last year of his term as President and a Supreme Court vacancy occurred whether or not Kasich would name a replacement. Kasich said he would but Obama shouldn’t because Obama is so divisive.
I wanted to reach through the TV and throttle the rat bastard right there.
Loviatar
@Loviatar:
No it isn’t. While sexism is as pervasive it is nowhere as accepted as racism.
Why you say?
Everyone has a mother or a female relative/friend or acquaintance. However, there is a lot of America who personally do not know an African American and whose views of African Americans are gained through FOX News and the conservative media. Pair that with America’s historical treatment of African Americans and you have an racism that is accepted and even in some cases still pursued as official policy.
Major Major Major Major
@rk: keep calm and read Nate Silver :) or Sam Wang. Or both!
Hal
@Major Major Major Major: I don’t think the 2008 election season ever ended. For me it’s felt like one continuous election from Obama winning Iowa until now, and it won’t end until November. At which point we’ll start to hear mid term talk.
Major Major Major Major
@Loviatar: I would disagree, but I’m also coming from the perspective of an older Millenial. Casual sexism goes almost unnoticed a lot of the time in my cohort, but racism makes you persona non grata.
Brent
@Betty Cracker:
Well I certainly don’t believe its “because chicks are way too sensitive sometimes,” but everyone of us is free to speculate on her state of mind or not. I don’t particularly care to.
I can see for myself what he said and my assessment, looking at the quote in context, is that he was talking about the specific dynamics and demography of a specific campaign and his remarks are pretty defensible within that context. I say this as a person who is not inclined to cut Kasich, someone I absolutely believe to be anti-woman, much slack.
It would certainly not be the first time I was ever incorrect about something but raising the fact that a Republican in the audience might have read it differently isn’t especially persuasive to me.
Patricia Kayden
Kasich is just giving us another dose of that good old fashioned outreach to women for which Republicans are so famous (or infamous).
Goes well with Trump’s outreach to minority voters.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@rk: If that would work it would be President Romney today. Romney got an historicaly high precent of the white vote.
singfoom
Well, at least the women are getting out of the binders. Seems like the kitchen would be more comfortable. That said, I’d imagine Kasich’s views aren’t the most friendly to women.
ruemara
@kindness: Can’t blame you. I don’t think they get how obvious this crap is.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
@Major Major Major Major: I am trying to remember a time this country slaughtered one out ten adult men over gender roles like with race.
Thoroughly Pizzled
The Midwestern Republicans like Kasich and Snyder aren’t obviously retrograde scumbags, but they’re as bad as the rest of ’em. Snyder was endorsed (twice!) by the allegedly liberal Detroit Free Press.
dlm
@Major Major Major Major: I hear you. I think it is worse than 2008. I can’t listen to any of it.
Cacti
And since it’s an open thread…
End of an era for a sportsball dynasty.
University of Tennessee Lady Vols basketball team drops out of the AP Top 25 poll for the first time in 31-years.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with Republicans? They can’t say anything without stepping in something. I don’t know; I mean, I know I’m partisan here, but I just don’t think Democrats say this kind of brain-dead shit that often. Am I wrong here?
jl
I agree with other commenters Kasich explicitly noted that he was taking about way back in the day, when more women stayed home rather than out working.
Better to spend time on the actual bad stuff Kasich is doing in Ohio.
Kasich even mentioned that, gosh darn, can’t seem to reach people at home anymore. Huh, this is damn weird innit?
And also might be interesting to ask what type of policies advocated by what kind of politician results in both spouses/parents having to be out of the house all the damn time, even if one or the other of them would like to be home some of the damn time, and working at 2 or 3 jobs at lower pay and still not be able to afford shit for themselves or their kids that they used to. Oh well.
At least everyone is out working themselves to death while losing their benefits. Progress!
Major Major Major Major
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: hey, I didn’t say we were in charge.
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
How are the fish stories coming? I’m not caught up yet but I really am enjoying them.
Loviatar
@Major Major Major Major:
Nope, casual racism is as unnoticed.
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Let me say this also before someone jumps in and attempts to twist my words. In my mind this is not a contest as to which is worse, sexism or racism . They’re both equally as bad and should equally be discouraged. The difference is that racism is America’s original sin.
Imagine writing this in your Declaration of Independence:
Then writing this in your founding Constitution:
America chose to be racist at its founding.
BillinGlendaleCA
@efgoldman: Most haven’t voted Democrat since the late 60’s, remember Silent Majority?
ETA: @Betty in the OP: We used to have a mantle clock that looked like the clock in the pic(it was circa late 50’s).
SuzieC
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: He’s made lots of similar sexist remarks,including one about how his hot wife was home doing his laundry. I hate the motherfucker, signed, furious Ohio woman
goblue72
@Major Major Major Major: Your memory is faulty. Its a political primary for President, with both parties having contested races due to end of current two-term President’s term. Its politics. Its always this rough and tumble. People need to stop getting so butt-hurt over the slightest thing. I see more complaints about the on-line boogie-man of “Berniebros” than I actually see anything close to that in real life. Don’t look know, but the BernieBro is coming to get ya! Booga booga booga!
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
In other news, people in Ohio and Pennsylvania want the Supreme Court seat filled before the election. I wonder if the Democrats have the sense to beat this think into the ground for the next eight months or whatever it is until the election. Am I just getting nostalgic when I look back and think that Howard Dean would have known just how to sink untold numbers of Republicans this year? Why isn’t he still running the show at the D.N.C.?
dlm
@rk: It could very well happen that PA goes for Trump. I know, I live in PA. Ugh.
Major Major Major Major
@MomSense: Thanks! A little bit of writer’s block right now–my phone deleted my notes file #^<£{!!|? grr. Trying to get from point C to point D and wrap up Act 2. I'm trying to do it right, not just rush it, so I've slowed down. Nobody likes filler after all. At 35k or so thus far, not bad. One typo so far :)
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@dlm: I grew up in Pennsylvania. I can see that it could happen, but it would be a hell of a freak thing. Not that the Democrat aren’t going to have to work for it, but it’s hard to see that happening.
jl
@goblue72: Seems to me Democratic primary at least as constructive this time as in 2008, with less rancor at the top. The campaign hacks emit some pissy garbage, but that is what they do and in their nature. I haven’t seen any die hard dead ender Berniebros or -bots at Sanders events or meetups that I have gone to. Maybe most of the rancor is just blog commenters and tweeter twits furiously typing away.
Right now, I am mostly worried about more protesters dressed up as robots getting beat up and Rubio rallies .
El Caganer
@dlm: I’ve lived in PA for a long time. Trump could possibly win here, but I think he’s the only Republican who could.
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker:
Binders…Armies…hell, when is one of them going to just take the cow by the horns and refer to us as “the Monstrous Regiment”?
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
I’m a little stuck on my story, too. Tomorrow I’m going to try to transfer audio files to paper. Soo stupid to be this fearful.
debbie
There are as many stupid Republican women in Ohio as there are stupid Republican men. I have no doubt women worked for his campaign — just like the little gals did for any number of campaigns.
Kasich is prone to taking things out of context. For instance, he pumps up his jobs numbers by including “retained jobs.” You know, the ones that didn’t leave Ohio — even the ones that never thought about leaving Ohio. He likes to lump those in with jobs that were poached from neighboring Ohio counties too. In fact, he created very few concrete jobs. But that’s another issue.
jl
@Miss Bianca:
GOP events can start showing Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens to get their folks all skeered up about the dire threat. Maybe some commercial showing ‘radical’ Brownies and Girl Scouts morphing into Ultra-Vixens.
I guess best to wait on that stuff until HRC gets the nomination.
MattF
@Gimlet: Via TPM, there actually are zombie Scalia proponents. Dead, shmead– where does it say in the Constitution that SC Justices have to be alive?
Stacy
I don’t really care if he was taken out of context or not. He just signed to have PPH defunded in Ohio so who cares what he says about his “armies of women”.
Miss Bianca
@jl:
If our local GOP could be persuaded to start showing Russ Meyer movies, I might could be persuaded to show up for their events…
Kyle
It would be just like a republican to give credit to women for getting him where he is, and while talking about a bill that is specifically designed to attack women’s health. If you vote for a republican, you are voting for a bad person.
MattF
@Miss Bianca: How about midnight screenings of Eraserhead? “In heaven, everything is fine”..
singfoom
@MattF: Well, Zombie Reagan has been involved in our politics for decades, why not involve Zombie Scalia in our judiciary?
We have to have a big tent! Don’t be alivist? aliveist?
J.
I laughed. And then I cried.
(Am now heading down to my kitchen. Hey, dinner doesn’t cook itself!)
Gimlet
@MattF:
Hilarious.
Typical of the magical thinking in the legislature, court system and other “leaders” that should know better.
Tony J
Kasich? Isn’t he the one who looks like the shrunken head of Larry Sanders on the body of Ernest Borgnine?
I think the term you’re looking for is “Prison Hot”.
Ohio Mom
I watched the original (misquoted) clip. You gotta give the guy credit.
He hits all kinds of right points (I came from humble beginnings, I fought against wasteful spending successfully, and so forth), all while looking so geeky and nerdy that it hardly seems possible that he planned everything he said for maximum impact.
He really is a sly, calculating, slippery and slimy thing under all that schtick. I’m sure he’s glad he was misinterpreted because it’s free publicity.
Anybody who wants to know how bad he’s been for my state, check out the Plunderbund blog. Best site for Ohio political reporting.
jl
@singfoom: It it were Alito, and maybe Thomas they are predictable enough for counting dead men’s votes to maybe work. Scalia had enough quirks, especially on first and fourth amendments to make trying to figure his vote on every case really problematic.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@Hal:
Good observation. I think you’re right and I think it’s because the GOP and a lot of angry bigots never accepted PBO as legitimate and just kept politicking against him. It was even worse than GWB and there were rational arguments WHY he wasn’t legitimate. But we accepted the situation and ground our teeth for 8 years.
With Obama they never laid down their arms.
Miss Bianca
@MattF:
You know, every character in that movie – from the chipmunk-cheeked lady to the foetal sheep – manages to look downright attractive when you compare ’em to the current crop of GOP candidates. I think they’d have to go with “Night of the Living Dead”.
ETA: Speaking of “zombie Scalia” and “zombie Reagan”…
AxelFoley
@Loviatar:
What did Obots get away with in 2008, asshole?
The Lodger
@Loviatar: All WHO are created equal? Yeah that’s non-sexist.
Betty Cracker
@Loviatar: LOL! Missed that gendered construction, did you? When they said “MEN,” they meant motherfucking MEN.
Matt McIrvin
Ah yes, the hallowed tradition of letting dead Supreme Court justices vote, dating back to the founding of the republic.
AxelFoley
@Cacti:
Damn, all of Bernie’s surrogates are straight up assholes.
Johnnybuck
@AxelFoley: Did you read the comments?
WaterGirl
@MomSense: I’m pretty fast at typing. If you send me some files, I could try to help!
Kay
It’s not federal, it would be state-led, but I’m glad they’re thinking about it.
Mandalay
@Ohio Mom:
This. I think Kasich’s team carefully crafted the line, not anticipating the blowback on a no-news Monday.
Cacti
@AxelFoley:
His celebrity ones for sure.
Sloane Ranger
@efgoldman: For what it’s worth there were a lot of callers on Sunday’s Washington Journal saying they voted for Obama but would vote Trump this time round. They explained it by saying that Hilary was too in bed with Wall Street/surrounded by too much scandel and/or wanting an end to political dynasties while Bernie was a socialist.
Of course they could be lying when they said they had previously voted Democrat.
Loviatar
@The Lodger: / @Betty Cracker:
Thanks to “The Lodger/Betty Cracker”; as I said upstream I was awaiting the deliberate twisting of my words, and it only took 40 minutes. Good job guys.
Loviatar
@AxelFoley:
Hope and Change
MattF
@Matt McIrvin: Well, y’know, traditions don’t just start all by themselves. It takes someone with vision and courage to point out what should have been obvious to any true patriot, but somehow never got institutionalized.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Sloane Ranger: I haven’t watched Washington Journal for a long time, but I remember during the Clenis Affair there would be a lot of “lifelong Democrats” who would call to express their more in sorrow than in anger opinion that even though they voted for Clinton twice, they had sadly concluded he should be removed. the ones who lasted more than 45 seconds frequently lost the script and started talking about abortion, school prayer, or Vince Foster’s murder.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Cacti: okay, since I didn’t start it
Kay
@Stacy:
It’s gross, the timing. State Republicans designed that to bolster Kasich’s conservative cred. It’s all about them and their careers.
geg6
@Loviatar:
Dude. The original original sin is blamed on a woman. A woman is to blame for all the woes of being human by all three of the Abrahamic religions. Before there were even slaves, women were the lowest of the low. Racism and sexism are equally casual, pervasive and toxic.
Loviatar
@geg6:
Thats why I always say racism is America’s original sin. You do see the possessive word America right.
SuzieC
@Kay:
Yes,he’s gross. How to get the word out? The kitchen comment did not appear on the evening news.
Disgruntled former Baud supporter
@Loviatar: Not to belabor this, but there is genderism in the Constitution too. When they wrote “all men”, they meant it literally.
Kay
@SuzieC:
I’m hoping he doesn’t do well in the Michigan or Ohio primaries. That’ll do it.
If I were his opponent I would start saying Michigan is “must win” for Kasich – I bet Trump can beat him there.
Loviatar
@Disgruntled former Baud supporter:
Please don’t follow “The Lodger/Betty Cracker” down the rabbit hole. I fully agree that the white men who ran/run this country were/are sexist along with being racist. Both are equally as bad and should not be acceptable in any way.
SuzieC
@Kay:
I bet Trump will beat him in Ohio. That would finish him off and humiliate him, but good. Especially as he told the media in his patented fashion “Trump won’t be the nominee. Everyone needs to get over it.”
Of course, then we need to destroy Trump. One monster at a time.
dr. bloor
@Matt McIrvin: Well, except for the fact that he signed the fucking PP bill.
Steve in the ATL
@Major Major Major Major:
I assume this is a re-post from 10 years ago? That place turned into a sewer a long time ago.
mr_gravity
@kindness: I saw that. He didn’t want to say it but just couldn’t stop himself.