Flagged by valued commenter Trentrunner, this tweet sums it up perfectly:
Hillary shot a campaign in Reno just to watch it die
— Bobby Big Wheel (@BobbyBigWheel) August 25, 2016
She burned the fucking Trump campaign to the ground and pissed on the ashes — in a remarkably ladylike fashion. Then she scooped up the piss-soaked ashes with a trowel, loaded them into a clown cannon and shot them into a toxic waste dump. Then she hopped into a fighter jet and strafed the dump. Then she took a space shuttle out of mothballs, strapped a nuclear warhead into it, flew up to the fucking International Space Station and then nuked the piss-soaked ashes of the dumped, bullet-ridden campaign from orbit.
Or maybe Clinton merely provided a succinct overview of Trump’s decades-long history of race-baiting sleaze, called him out for cultivating neo-Nazi scum supporters, excoriated him for elevating crazy people like Alex Jones and denounced him for putting white nationalist pukes in charge of his campaign. In either case, it was glorious. You can catch a replay of the speech in the thread downstairs.
Trentrunner
You found it! Sorry I couldn’t.
Still laughing. (And silently cheering after that speech.)
schrodinger's cat
I saw the last half. She was awesome!
Urza
Took 10 seconds of Trump before I had to change the channel and do breathing exercises to calm down. What a horrible excuse for a human being. Meanwhile Hillary just points and states facts. Maybe she’s not Obama as a speaker but she says what needs saying and isn’t boring.
lollipopguild
More of this please.
gogol's wife
WHY ISN’T BETTY ON ALL THE NETWORKS AND THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK FUCKING TIMES?
If I hear one more word about e-mail, I swear I’m going to do something drastic. (I have no idea how to end that sentence.)
Matt McIrvin
So you’re saying that her emails raise troubling questions?
Iowa Old Lady
She once again stuck strictly to what Trump said or did. Michael Steele complained about the “low” tone. Trump’s own words, Steele.
Corner Stone
@Matt McIrvin: EMAILS!!!
Corner Stone
@Iowa Old Lady: Poor bastard. He was doing his poor, sad best.
FlipYrWhig
@Corner Stone: @Matt McIrvin: The emails call into question the appropriateness of Hillary Clinton’s continuing to communicate with other human beings, in spite of the optics, appearances, and impressions critics have raised.
Felonius Monk
Who said Wonder Woman doesn’t exist?
wvng
Tell us what you really think.
laura
@gogol’s wife: she lacks the bothsiderist gene.
Same as Driftglass, Emptywheel, Yves Smith.
A quick skim of any editorial page will give you the sad trombones.
Can’t have us rabble demanding nice things now, can they.
Corner Stone
This is exactly how I saw the speech except you missed the part where she used the GoldenEye weapons device to laser the fuck out of his stupid fucking face from orbit.
Villago Delenda Est
She also contacted Starfleet Command, got the USS Enterprise to travel back in time, and then Mr. Scott proceeded to demonstrate just how effectively a fully charged phaser bank can engage in diplomacy.
dmsilev
Trump got his phone back, but I think the tranquilizer darts still haven’t completely worn off yet:
Really just going through the motions there. Sad?
Villago Delenda Est
@Matt McIrvin: Also, too, she blinked during the speech. This is a sure sign of Parkinson’s.
dmsilev
@Villago Delenda Est: There’s a Mr. Palpatine holding on line three. He wants to know where he should park his ‘fully armed and operational battlestation’.
Iowa Old Lady
When she quotes him, how can he call that lies? Unless he means what he said.
And here I was thinking how refreshing it was that she engaged in blunt truth telling about his racist campaign rather than tip-toeing around it to be polite.
Turgidson
@dmsilev:
Piss poor, even for him.
Has he busted out “I know you are, but what am I?” yet?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Trump’s response has been basically “I know you are but what am I”. Breitbart tweeted out a picture of Hillary and Robert Byrd having an affectionate moment. IOW, they’ve got nothing. I doubt most people have even heard of Breitbart until today, and now that the rock has been upturned, most folks, who I believe are basically decent if uninformed or misinformed, will understand how indecent they are.
ETA: I can’t imagine Bernie giving that speech. I just can’t. Hillary’s so much tougher than everyone else playing this game right now.
Villago Delenda Est
@dmsilev: Directly over Drumpf tower in Manhattan, ala the scene in Independence Day.
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
Whereas failing to blink would be sure proof that she’s really a fish creature from Proxima b.
Cacti
Today Trump called Clinton a bully.
Dude is always projecting his own worst attributes onto everyone else.
Next he’ll start criticizing her for having tiny hands and short fingers.
gogol's wife
@Corner Stone:
She went into the evidence room and got all the guns as well as the sea mine and pushed his face into the steeple in the Model Village.
gogol's wife
@dmsilev:
“very short” — is this supposed to be a reference to her penis?
Trollhattan
Holy moly that was a masterful piece of speechifying. She’d build to a plateau then linger for awhile with history and examples and then when I thought she’d head on to policy she’d instead head for the next plateau. And there were a lot of damn plateaus.
Have to also, too note, her stagecraft and delivery have really blossomed during the campaign. Methinks the mid-size venues suit her.
Mnemosyne
I am very glad to see that the Clinton campaign is fully on board with my desire to not just beat Trump, but fucking humiliate him at the polls.
Fired up. Ready to go.
Trollhattan
@Cacti:
“Donny’s gettin’ beat by a girl, Donny’s gettin’ beat by a girl!”
Yup, a bully.
Turgidson
@Iowa Old Lady:
Republicans have been claiming that verbatim quotes of what they say are lies for a while now. Gingrich even said so outright – he said, paraphrasing “anyone quoting me when I said Paul Ryan’s budget sucks is stating a falsehood!” And the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver got his panties in a wad when Obama skewered him with his own bullshit. And I’m sure Willard Mitt “Mittens” Romney got in on that action in 2012, though I can’t remember an example off the top of my head. He was very busy making up a fake Obama record to run against, after all.
But Trump takes it to a new level, of course. (Reporter: Mr. Trump, can you explain what you meant when you said [thing he said that has been replayed on TV dozens of times and has a million views on YouTube]? Trump: I didn’t say that.)
scav
@Villago Delenda Est: That breathing is a bad sign too. Sign of an active functioning brain. Clear, visible and dangerous sign she’s “Not one of us” to the alt-base.
p.a.
Yeah. Hilz has no fucks to give before election! 30 years of smears will do that to a person. Kick ’em right in the nutz, it’s not like they have ever, or ever will play by Marquess of Queensberry rules.
redshirt
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Literally. If Hillary accuses Donald of something Donald will then accuse Hillary of the exact same thing. It’s amazing. And sad.
Turgidson
@Cacti:
Typical bully move to whine and squeal when someone hits back. And unfortunately for the Short-Fingered Vulgarian (but fortunately for the USA and the world), Hillary has a much better uppercut than any of the fools, frauds and charlatans he ran against in the primary. She drew more [political] blood on Obama than McCain or Mittens ever did, after all.
redshirt
Shorter Betty: “Better take off and nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.”
Davis X. Machina
My wife and daughter assure me that today Wellesley is proud of its daughter.
Ministrare, non ministrari.
Betty Cracker
Trump is having an epic meltdown on Twitter. Here’s the latest:
raven
@efgoldman: Target rich environment!
Villago Delenda Est
@scav: “ZOMG, her EKG shows signs of brain activity!”
Villago Delenda Est
@efgoldman: Target rich environment, as they say in the military.
Patricia Kayden
I’ll need to do that because I was whooping and hollering during the entire speech. She was really on point! Proud of her.
Trump’s meltdown on twitter is going to be one for the ages.
Villago Delenda Est
@raven: Great minds, etc.
Captain C
@Betty Cracker:
I bet that’s how Trump’s exes describe him in bed.
Villago Delenda Est
@Patricia Kayden: It’s already under way. It’s so easy to slap him back, too, as he leads with that orange tinted glass jaw of his.
Villago Delenda Est
@Captain C: We do have four examples in the case of the exes, and one in the case of the current, of some sort of action happening. Unless of course it was done with a turkey baster…
Gindy51
@gogol’s wife: Hot Fuzz, he’ll yeah.
Tom
@gogol’s wife: Nice Hot Fuzz reference, gogol’s wife!
redshirt
@Villago Delenda Est: GLASS JOE!!!
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@dmsilev: Yeah, That Emperor Palpatine’s one evil bastard, but even he has his limits.
Patricia Kayden
@Iowa Old Lady: The beauty of her speech is that it was chock full of examples of Trump’s racism which he cannot refute. There is no rebuttal response to the substance of her speech. In fact, if he tries to dispute any of its details, he’ll be swamped with links to stories documenting its veracity.
Perfect.
PhoenixRising
All that was missing was Tim Kaine on harmonica. That was the Folsom Prison speech.
Always be a good boy
Don’t ever play with Breitbart headlines
But I shot a man in Reno
Just to watch him die…
The best part is the tactical result: the alt-right, I mean all-white, patriots who she name checked are lined up waiting for their calls from CNN and MSNBC to clear up this heinous accusation and explain that they’re not racist but…
Get the popcorn. I’ve got 11:15pm EDT for David Duke on my tee vee calling me a race traitor for disavowing my heritage.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@Cacti: Not sure that’s the right attack for him…I mean, tough guy Donald Trump getting bullied by a girl? Seems like that would dent his image a little.
Patricia Kayden
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: If you go to the Breitbart.com website, you’ll see a section titled “Black crime”. Imagine that: a whole section dedicated to documenting the fact that some Black people commit crimes. You won’t find, however, a whole section dedicated to documenting the fact that White-skinned people commit crimes too. Funny that.
Feebog
Trump flailing around like a piñata being hit on all sides. Just a matter of time before she he bursts apart.
redshirt
Hillary: “I’m in the pipe, five by five”.
BR
@Patricia Kayden:
Link? That basic fact tells you so much more than anything else said about Breitbart.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
I’m going to dissent some: I didn’t think it was a great speech by itself. I find Clinton’s oratory to be off-putting, and her timing is terrible. Starting out a sentence, “Oh, and by the way . . .” is meant to make it seem extemporaneous, and she just can’t pull it off. The whole thing seemed stilted and I doubt much of anybody is going to be won over by it directly.
HOWEVER, the content was great, and I used qualifiers in that first paragraph for a reason. Even if I’m right about how the speech itself will come across, this puts the content out where the press is going to have to report on it and make it a subject. And it might get an intemperate response from Donald. All of that is a plus.
Since I’m also convinced that great speeches aren’t nearly as important for winning the presidency, or being president, than a lot of other people are, I’m not actually bothered that I don’t like Clinton’s speeches.
Patricia Kayden
@Cacti:
Or for having a small weinie.
jl
Alt-Right, the establishment GOP cause that dare not speak its name. The pus coming out of the Trump campaign has been part of the GOP messaging for decades, but polite people couldn’t talk about it, certainly not balanced corporate media journalists. But it’s been there all along.
Not sure whether the bizarre outreach Trump is doing is conscious hypocrisy in an attempt to win, or just severe confusion of the hard core white bigot reacting to the fact that no one else agrees with the very obvious and eternal truths he sees (and obstinate denial won’t cut it any more). But will be a mess. I hope current trends continue and this joker loses badly.
gogol's wife
@Gindy51: @Tom:
Just finished watching it for the nth time!
dedc79
Fox News is always good for a laugh:
BR
@BR:
I looked on Brietbart and couldn’t find the section you mention.
Roger Moore
@Villago Delenda Est:
That’s very strange, since the EKG is supposed to measure heart activity. It’s an EEG that measures the brain./pedant
ETA: Not that alt-right hearts are much to write home about. Donald Trump’s heart is even tinier than his hands.
Shell
So… Trump is turning into my grandmother.
Villago Delenda Est
@jl: He’s got a pool of rubes to extract money from. Keep up the con!
Major Major Major Major
@BR: Google is your friend
randy khan
@Davis X. Machina:
Think about the bragging rights if she’s elected.
jl
@dedc79: Trump might believe it. Hard core white bigots I have known, believe deep down in their hearts that all whites agree with them and see the world they way they do. Any disagreement is a sign that you have been browbeaten into submission. You really want to say the things they do, but are afraid of the PC or some minority will give you a beat down, or something else contemptible about you. They think you are sad.
Peale
@Betty Cracker: Wow. He’s really convinced that himself he gave a few speeches on race and the whole of the African American voting block just exited to him. Just like he made one appearance with Hispanic businessmen and pretended to go soft and that should be sufficient to make voters interested in that issue take his side so now he can go back to building the wall and making mexicans pay for it.
Major Major Major Major
@jl: same with the “men’s rights activists”
Villago Delenda Est
@Roger Moore: Well, in the alt-right, an EEG shows signs of heart activity.
Mnemosyne
@jl:
Speaking from experience (with, sadly, my family) racist people genuinely don’t believe you when you tell them that you don’t believe the same things they do. They think you’re lying and just pretending not to see the obvious truths in front of you about how non-white people are naturally inferior. It’s quite bizarre sometimes.
Peale
@dedc79: She named names! That was awesome. So many times liberals give these speeches and don’t name names so it seems like they are calling out whole groups of people. The people whose names she called are in fact the opposite of decent people. They do not qualify as decent Americans.
Fair Economist
@Trollhattan:
To me the big jump happened when she clinched the nomination. She seems much more confident now that she know’s she really is the leader.
Brachiator
Jaysus, that was a good speech. I would really like to know who’s on her speech writing staff.
Loved how she set it up.
Alluding to a standard stump speech, but quietly preparing the audience to hear something different.
And then she proceeds to eviscerate Trump with his own words, the words and actions of his supporters, surrogates, and staffers.
She does not let up for a minute. Like a prosecutor laying out her case against a vicious criminal, she details every action, word and deed that supports her main thesis:
And she condemns him, not with the expected criticism of liberals and Democrats, but with the example of other Republicans.
She was a total Weapon of Trump Destruction.
If he had a brain cell in his orange head, he would slink away into a hole somewhere.
BR
@Major Major Major Major:
That’s a tag…a little different than a section. Not quite the same, though still ugly.
shortribs
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
That’s what makes me inspired this campaign cycle. We’ve always wanted Democrats who will hit back, now the leader of the party is one who not just hits back, but hits hard and doesn’t stop when the first one lands.
Trollhattan
@PhoenixRising:
She even used the expression “dog-whistle,” which is a first for me anywhere not a poli-blog. I’m a-skeert now for the kitten skulls.
Schlemazel
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
so far it is 84 to 1, sorry.
OTOH, you are always the first to admit you are not like other people and you don’t understand other people (nothing wrong with that, its part of what make you the you we like) so I don’t understand why you think she should speak to you & not to the majority of the voters.
dedc79
@Peale: Agreed. This speech was very well thought out and the timing truly could not have been better.
Villago Delenda Est
@shortribs: What she’s doing is kicking the shitgibbon to the curb, then kicking him down the curb to the drain.
PPCLI
@gogol’s wife: Trump called her a hag, so she pointed out he’s a fascist.
[OK, in the movie it was in the opposite order]
Corner Stone
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: That speech was on fucking point. It was Chance the Rapper level epicness.
jl
@Mnemosyne: As I’ve said before, a very common type of white bigot does not see him or herself as prejudiced. As long as they can see themselves as more powerful, often an paternalistic and benevolent way, than minorities, they have many many close and beloved minority friends.
But minority groups as a whole have serious problems (but its the culture, right?) and they won’t respond like normal (aka white) people do. Except maybe white trash, but that is a distinct group from other whites, and not the same case at all. Of course, any minority who gains some prominence and is powerful in some way, more powerful or influential than them, is bad. MLK was a commie. Chavez is a hypocrite and a fraud, never picked a grape in his life. Any muslim that makes the news, well, they heard how they are plugged into the Islamicist conspiracy.
It can get very odd and difficult to try to talk with them, since they follow this stuff closely, and you are expected to be able to follow along. But it gets so confusing and hard to remember all the conventions and codes and insinuendos and foregone conclusions. So, you just give up and so what if they think you are a weak loser bending to silly conventions our of fear. The really hard core cases, you just give up.
Obama, of course, drives them into a kind of frenzied totally incoherent insanity.
Rudy G is a good example, except most white bigots are nicer people than Rudy.
I see much less of it among younger people, which is a good sign.
Citizen_X
You know the MSM is going to go with, “Clinton goes negative!” and collapse onto their fainting couches. Oh, and “Questions remain about the Foundation/emails.”
Kay
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Such a weird response. Why would the 10% of voters who say they aren’t sure of who they will vote for care about that? It’s something one would say to another operative. It’s one part of the Republican base talking to another part.
? Martin
The Trump campaign is what you get when you treat 4chan as your electoral base. The GOP gets what they deserve.
nominus
The most beautiful thing about this is that she warned him she was going to do it. That line during the convention speech about baiting him with a tweet? Yeah. She telegraphed a punch a month ahead of time and not only did he not try to avoid it, he put his drink down and turned to face it.
The next most beautiful thing is that there are more punches coming. It ain’t even Labor Day yet.
daves09
Just got back from TMCC where the speech was given.
She looked good, sounded good and great speech.
It was worth the four hours. Got there at 10-it was RSVP- then waited a long time, with occasional interludes of local color.
Half an hour of Nev. pols, then another wait and finally Hilz herself.
Next time I’ll stream it, but this worth it.
p.a.
I wonder if the MSM needs smelling salts? Might be crowded on the fainting couch.
Gene108
@dmsilev:
Though rarely demonstrated in expanded Star Wars media, Imperial Star Destroyers were designed for planetary bombardment.
System gets a bit uppity, Star Destroyer comes in. System calms the fuck down or Star Destroyer sets its turbo-lasers on “nuke it from orbit” and some cities go bye-bye.
That’s basically hinted at in “Empire Strikes Back”, when Vader’s fleet pulls into the Hoth system, but he finds out the rebels have powerful planetary shields over their base that prevent them from getting “nuked from orbit”.
Major Major Major Major
@BR: fair point. But the fact that it even IS a tag…
daves09
@Kay: Does she want us to believe that Trump isn’t thinking about Hilz 24/7? It’s a presidential campaign for jeebus sake.
Patricia Kayden
@BR: Joy Reid of MSNBC mentioned it when she was hosting a program. She showed a screenshot of the Breitbart.com website with a section titled “Black crime” and spoke about its link to the alt-right movement.
Brachiator
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
What speech is?
I understand your points, but even you admit that “the content was great.” And even the flaws you point out in her speaking style does nothing to offset how clearly, and plainly, and powerfully, she laid out her case against Trump’s deliberate appeal to bigotry.
Gene108
@? Martin:
It was his electoral base in the primaries and they delivered a win for him.
Basically the 4chan / Reddit racist crew are the GOP base
Msb
What Brachiator said. Day-um, that speech will leave a mark. Wonder if he’ll dare to debate her?
redshirt
@daves09: Tell us more! How was the crowd? What feeling did you get from observing her operation?
Schlemazel
WHOLLY HELL! Just listened to the speech – THAT WAS A GREAT dissection of the Drumpf campaign. It was wholly hell on Drumpf.
BTW – and this is not BS, I had to double check because it is too stupid to believe. Drumpf said after his first term “I will be more popular than fried chicken and watermelon in black neighborhoods” That should be carved on the tombstone of his half-assed run.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@Patricia Kayden: It’s almost as if they believe that if a white person does it, it can’t be a crime. Sort of like IOKIYAR, but more obviously racist.
? Martin
@Brachiator: Yeah, Clinton wants to govern, and she’s forced to campaign to get there. Trump wants to campaign and it’s anyone’s guess if has the slightest interest in governing. A politician that’s bad at campaigning should actually be more appealing than one that’s good at it.
redshirt
@Gene108: The young demographic. Free Republic and similar sites would be his older demographic. Man they are all looney tunes.
Citizen_X
@Kay:
Says the spox for the candidate who literally cannot stop tweeting.
Major Major Major Major
@? Martin: she obviously hates campaigning. It’s kind of cute, and I can certainly relate.
BR
@Patricia Kayden:
Interesting. Well that clip needs to get out there now!
redshirt
@efgoldman: Trump has NAMBLA links?!
jl
@jl: And it is common that the bigot says that you are the real bigot for not being realistic, and understanding what kind of tough-love policies are needed to really help minority groups as a whole (edit, and like Trump says, the majority of course are living a disastrous hellish crime ridden live, as either victims or perps, and it is just total FAIL, of course -these minorities have all sorts of problems, you know). You are counterproductive liberal do-gooder. You are hurting not helping, but won’t admit it yourself.
I think the leaders of the establishment GOP who are heavily into the race con-game are smart enough to know better, and I don’t think they believe all that BS. They are cynical manipulators. But they are much much smarter people than Trump (sorry Donny, gotta say it straight). They have kept the con going for decades, while Trump blows it up inside a year.
I’m not sure, but Trump may be enough of a true believer in the bigotry that it is hard to tell where the cynical manipulation ends and the confusion and frustration that comes from believing a lot of nonsense begins.
Tokyokie
@Villago Delenda Est: And a colonoscopy is used to detect brain activity, if any.
BR
@Schlemazel:
I don’t buy that he actually said that. Even for Trump that’s too ridiculous.
slag
@Mnemosyne: True of misogynists as well.
I keep seeing random guys who speak out against blatant sexism dismissed as “white knights”. As if misogyny in men takes real courage while men speaking out against it is an act of pandering and cowardice. Apparently, misogynists have never seen an episode of Mad Men.
Peale
@daves09: I think it goes with Trumps tweet that she’s only giving this speech because she’s now afraid that African Americans will desert her after Trump promised to make their lives better by sending in tough cops and prosecutors to harass them. I do think they believe that they are winning.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Corner Stone: It’s almost like some people only read the first paragraph of my comment.
Cacti
I look forward to Trump and the alt right being the alt winners of this election.
Major Major Major Major
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: It’s also possible Corner Stone was referring to the delivery.
p.a.
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: We’re allowed to have more than one paragraph?
Dayumn!
raven
Jesus, Coburn was off the hook with Chuckie! NBC is the Brietbart of the left!
Mnemosyne
@jl:
Hence my patented How To Deal With Republican Relatives method of acting like you don’t understand any of their buzzwords and asking them to explain what they mean. If you can do it non-confrontationally, nine times out of ten they will get so tangled up in their own mass of contradictory beliefs and shut down on their own. (Which, incidentally, science has shown is the best way to get someone to question one of their beliefs — ask them to explain it.)
And if they go through the whole twisted web of how Obama is the founder of ISIS and still think it makes perfect sense, it may be time to get Grandma that dementia evaluation, or at least delete Fox News from her cable channels and tell her that the cable company dropped it.
scav
@daves09: Thinking is a liability chez them, and besides they don’t do anything vaguely human, without the cash, up front, and a solid material gain to self in addition.
Corner Stone
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: I apologize for making a reference to a rapper in my response to you. You clearly have no idea what I am talking about in my rebuttal to your completely off base criticism of the delivery of HRC’s speech.
Kay
@daves09:
It isn’t that, it’s that it’s insular. A big part of Trump’s campaign is the alt Right conducting an argument with the establishment Right. They’re always trying to prove they’re good at this, that they can win. It isn’t even directed to voters.
The really interesting part of Clinton’s speech is she’s defining and splitting the GOP into two factions. That’s an accurate read. There are two factions and a lot of this is a fight between them.
She’s saying “there are normal Democrats and Republicans and then there is this fringe group”. It’s important to say it because the people who don’t know who they’re voting for at this point are the people who pay the least attention.
Turgidson
@? Martin:
Obama has a similar thing – he seems to relish campaigning, at least sometimes, unlike Hillary who never seems to enjoy it.
But he quite obviously hates the fact that the campaign did not really stop once he won the election. He just wanted to do the work, get as much of it right as he could, and be fairly judged on the results. Obviously, it doesn’t work that way. He knows that, of course, but you can tell it annoys him to no end that banalities, the Village’s precious “optics” and process-related stupidity got more coverage than, you know, getting the policy right. I have a feeling Hillary is similar in that respect – she’d rather just do the work. But the Clintons, I hope, will be better at campaigning while governing than Obama’s team was, from day 1 in office.
jl
@Mnemosyne: I should try that. I try pointing out that in many ways Obama is a technocratic moderate intellectual, with a lot more in common with old school moderate GOPers and Dems than some crazy and insane combination of a welfare bum who can’t read and a black evil super genius with a time machine.
But just implying that the Obama international financial and trade policy would be something like Mitt would have done, that hits a wall very quickly. (ha ha, might hit a wall with some here).
Mnemosyne
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym:
If you don’t like her mannerisms and delivery, the content doesn’t really matter. There are actual people out there who hate Obama’s speeches and think he’s terrible at giving speeches, and it’s not just people who hate Obama.
Not everybody likes Tom Cruise, either. Tastes differ.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: I’ve seen it mentioned in more than one blog post. Just sayin’.
gogol's wife
@Mnemosyne:
Can’t stand Tom Cruise.
Cacti
@Kay:
I had thought 2012 would be a fratricidal knife fight between the different constituent parts of the right wing.
I was off by 4-years.
jl
@jl: I started talking that line with a teabagger uncle who has been railing about the dollar, and China and trade and kept complaining that ‘it just seemed like Obama, and those damn DemocRATS wanted to destroy the country, just wanted to wreck it, that’s all. Maybe out of sheer spite. It was sad’.
I tried to point out to him that the policies he was complaining about were more or less constant from Bill through W through Obama. That quieted him down for a while.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: You’re serious? That’s a heavy accusation to make.
Bill
Just watched the video. She basically walked out – placed a jar containing Trump’s testicles on the podium – and dropped the mic.
Wow!
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: That works on bernie or busters too. Either it turns out they have no idea what they’re talking about, or they’re actually just libertarians, anarchists, or hardcore socialists/greens. Not a single Democrat in the bunch.
Chris
@jl:
Yes.
I notice this a lot because I tend to be fairly introverted and quiet in meatspace, which a lot of people are prone to mistake for approval until I set them straight. So it’s happened to me several times that, behind closed doors, once all the nonwhites and liberals have left, this or that person will go off on a rant they were holding in that CAN YOU BELIEVE… until I disabuse them of the notion that I’m one of them.
Sometimes I won’t disabuse them. Just out of curiosity to see how low their mentality goes.
Mnemosyne
@jl:
It usually does work better than trying to counter the bullshit. “Really? How does that work?” is a handy leading question for the Thanksgiving dinner table if you can keep the sarcasm out of your tone.
jl
@Cacti: Well, you see, HRC is a big LIAR. At least if she was referring to the leadership. The leadership is divided into the cynical and true believing bigots. I can’t think of one of them that is not a bad faith artist or a true bigot.
Maybe if HRC were talking about ten years ago, or last election. But everyone good faith mistaken conservative in GOP leadership has been run from the field after 2014.
Might be true of GOP voters. Many of them deserve benefit of the doubt.
Mnemosyne
@gogol’s wife:
Me neither. But you may like Edge of Tomorrow because his annoying character gets totally tortured in that. I ended up really liking it — it’s basically a violent sci-fi version of Groundhog Day.
Betty Cracker
@BR: My guess is Twitter satirist @realDenaldTrump, (note the “e”), who has fooled lots of folks…
jl
@Chris: If only we would have the guts to honest with ourselves!
Patricia Kayden
@Major Major Major Major: That was what I saw on Joy Reid’s show. Thanks.
Barb2
@daves09:
Thank you. What a speech to hear live!
Sounded like the audience was very much with her!
hovercraft
@Kay:
Projection. Katy Tur and other reporters who are close to the campaign have been reporting all day that the campaign was very worried about the speech. That’s why they’ve been in rapid response mode all day, first the klan Ad, and then the preemptive strike on the speech, and now in it’s aftermath. The racist label is spooking them, and Hillary piling on has them even more scared.
John D
@Mnemosyne: All You Need Is Kill is the book that Edge Of Tomorrow/Live Die Repeat is based on, and I like it a whole lot more than the movie (which I really like, mind you).
Kay
@Cacti:
I for one would never have predicted that Hillary Clinton would be the one to explain the GOP to less engaged voters. It’s the leadership vacuum in that party. None of them would define it, name it, explain it, so she did.
Major Major Major Major
@hovercraft: Nice to see a top-of-the-heap Dem really go for it, by name, for once.
Villago Delenda Est
@redshirt: It’s every bit as valid as alleging that the Sandy Hook massacre was faked, or that Hillary Clinton is on her deathbed.
Spider-Dan
I’m quickly growing tired of downballot operatives complaining that Hillary is making Trump out to be a unique danger, instead of tying him to the GOP as a whole.
You know the criticism we hurl at rudderless Trump gravytrainers like Paul Ryan who won’t vote country over party? Trying to win more Congressional seats (instead of stopping Trump at all costs) is no different. Trump needs to lose by as bad a margin as possible, and if that means he loses by 20 points but the GOP keeps the House, then so be it. The republic (and the planet) will survive two more years of Speaker Ryan. It may not survive President Trump, and it might not even survive a 3-point Trump loss.
Chris
@Brachiator:
Oh my Lord, that’s beautiful.
In a way, this sounds much too generous to the GOP’s recent elites than they deserve… But that’s the beauty of it! Much of the GOP voter base already believes that their elites are the kind of politically correct RINO elitists who don’t have the stones to stand up to Illegal Immigration and Islamo Fascism – that’s what powered the Trump nomination. And now they just saw Hillary Clinton give it a big rhetorical hug, saying “oh, how I miss the old, reasonable, Republican Party, the one that wasn’t racist, the one before Trump!” She just fucked over the GOP establishment just as much as she did Donald.
Betty Cracker
@Mnemosyne: I’ve used that technique to hilarious effect ever since you clued me into it a few years back. More often than not, it shuts the wingnut big-mouths down, eventually.
Peale
@Villago Delenda Est: Waiting for those calls to the alt-right people she named. Work around Erik Erikson who will always talk differently on CNN than he does in his swamp. Go right to Jones and have him start talking about false flags and counterfeit Sandy Hook bodies.
Corner Stone
I just can’t even with Alex Wagner. WTF is she about anymore?
Patricia Kayden
@1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet): Well, there are White Supremacists who have actually said that only Black/Brown men commit rape.
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/12/19/vox-day-if-a-woman-says-she-was-raped-by-a-white-man-shes-probably-lying-because-only-blacks-and-hispanics-rape/
Shocking but true.
Corner Stone
I still love the fact that HRC named Trump as the Godfather of the Birther movement.
MMMWWHHAAAHHH!
redshirt
@Villago Delenda Est: Perhaps, but I like to think we’re the Good Guys and won’t do disreputable things in the name of the Good. Beating them at their own game is not one we should try to win.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: Well, here is one of those mentions.
SFAW
@gogol’s wife:
Well, that would certainly explain how Vince Foster was her gay lover. Whom she murdered. In Benghazi. With the
lead pipemissing E-mail messages.Chris
@Gene108:
Yep, Base Delta Zero. Which kind of makes the Death Star redundant, when you think about it, but the Imperials were all about shock and awe, and I suppose the psychological effect of seeing a planet not simply laid waste, but literally blown to bits was considered to be worth it.
chopper
i see donnie rotten has slunk away to ‘go get his fuckin’ shine box’.
dmsilev
@hovercraft:
Well, if the white hood fits…
Peale
@Chris: Yeah. Kind of. Although I do really want someone to ask Paul Ryan why he’s o.k. with, say, so many Russian connected yahoos in his party. Like since he’s known for awhile that the Russians had hacked the DNC, does he think that’s a good thing for the country? It was no secret for months who Manafort was. Someone should ask Paul if he’s being paid as well to keep quiet on that issue.
debbie
Trump’s been thinking he’s so clever at insinuations, and it’s caught up with him and bit him in the butt. I’m glad Hillary spoke to this, but she has to remain measured in how she responds to him. Trump’s only going to amp up the volume now.
Cacti
@Corner Stone:
Speaking of the Godfather, as Kay noted above, the alt right is the Fredo of the GOP family.
“It ain’t the way I wanted it! I can handle things. I’m smart. Not like everybody says, like dumb. I’m smart, and I want respect!”
RaflW
@dmsilev:
I nominate you for Best Use of a Question Mark.
rikyrah
Betty C,
The post was hilarious
Hillary brought a barrel full of receipts. ????
PhoenixRising
@Chris:
That is the brilliant part. She just got cooties on the GOP mainstream by calling their extremists by their names. The extremists have to knock each other down to get to a camera, on which they will explain what ‘heritage, not hate’ means…over and over.
Meanwhile, back at the bullshit factory, Paul Ryan looks up from his desk to realize that he has just been separated from the base of his party…by Hillary.
The whole picture is the scene from ‘Blazing Saddles’: “…and they are so DUMB!”
I am going to sleep well tonight. I knew it could be done, but I didn’t know she would listen to the experts who could tell her how to do it.
Cacti
@dmsilev:
Then you’re probably Donald Trump’s father.
I wonder if he has Fred’s robes stored away somewhere.
bluefish
An excellent speech and, yes, she did. Finally! Hope she keeps it up. Up up and up.
Chris
@Mnemosyne:
True.
I’ve watched old speeches by Reagan and I never understand his appeal either; he just comes off like an overacting pompous blowhard to me. But he obviously resonated with a lot of people, and that’s all that matters.
Kay
@hovercraft:
But it isn’t the “racist label”. The two qualities that most voters associate with Trump are “racist” and “unqualified”. Not a label. What they believe he is. They already believe this. Now she just has to tell the 10% who haven’t been paying attention about it.
redshirt
@Chris: Kindly Old Grandfather who knows what’s best for the family.
SFAW
@Mnemosyne:
Well, not as Jack Reacher, for sure. How the fuck can you have someone 5-3 play a 6-5 ex-MP? Maybe he can play a teenager next.
Omnes Omnibus
@debbie:
Do you think that she and her campaign don’t know all this? She does something brilliant today and you immediately start worrying that she is going to overstep? Come on.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: I see.
Brachiator
@Kay:
Clinton is also giving Republicans room to move over and vote for her.
She is not just making a case against Donald Trump. She is also making a case for herself.
SFAW
@? Martin:
Since when does ANYONE with an “R” after his/her name want to govern? They want to rule.
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
@efgoldman:
True, though for Trump’s base you’ll have to literally spell it out.
North American Man-Boy Love Association.
They literally live in an information bubble and actively deny any facts that contradict their ‘information’.
Mike J
redshirt
@SFAW: FSM help me but R-Money would have given it a shot. He’s not a bad dude.
Damn it but Trump has made me appreciate R-Money and Johnny Tireswing. And gads, even W.
Kay
@Chris:
I never liked him. He had the same kind of twinkly-eyed meanness that Mike Huckabee has. I hated his voice too. It was so trained and practiced.
Major Major Major Major
@redshirt: @Omnes Omnibus: And that’s on an almost top 10,000 blog!
RaflW
@p.a.:
Unfortunately, a few too many in the press, exp on TeeVee, are thin-skinned primadonnas and will not be happy that Hilz did what they have never dared to do. So she will be punished with a heap more e-mailery and foundationish scandal-fluffing.
Mnemosyne
@Betty Cracker:
I’m glad I can help keep everyone’s holidays more peaceful! ?
jl
Thing is, HRC challenged the GOP establishment to disavow the Trump BS long after they could do so and hope to survive But, then, that is their problem, not hers.
Anoniminous
@efgoldman:
Wow. So it is true. Trump did make a massive contribution to NAMBLA.
Chris
@Spider-Dan:
I probably would’ve agreed with this at first, until I realized just how much more effective the former is.
We don’t want the GOP united! We want them tearing each other to shreds like Blofeld’s fighting fish while we sit in the corner waiting to pick up the pieces. The more of a wedge there is between Trump and the majority of conservative voters who are behind him, and the GOP as an institution, the better for us. It’s less satisfying, but probably more effective.
Kay
@Omnes Omnibus:
I think they have a lot of data and they use it. I keep wondering if they have polling or information that people really don’t give a shit about the emails. It wouldn’t surprise me. I know they say in polls they care about the emails but that’s when they’re asked. I bet they’d be reluctant to say “no,servers and email management bores me” :)
jl
@Kay: I never understood the Reagan charm either. I remember some GOPers worshipfully reading from a book of his letters on some TV news talky. I heard them read some excerpts and thought ‘that guy had a mean, self-satisfied, arrogant streak that came out way too often.’ But they thought it was just wonderful.
Mnemosyne
@Chris:
I was a pre-teen when Reagan was first elected and never liked the guy. My six-years-older brother keeps photos of Reagan in his office TO THIS DAY. Sad!
(And yet I’m pretty sure he’s going to hold his nose and vote for Hillary. He may be a lifelong Republican and a Reagan worshipper, but he’s not a total moron.)
Brachiator
@debbie:
I hear what you are saying, but listen to the speech again. Read it. Let me suggest something.
Previously, Hillary allowed her surrogates to take some of the biggest shots against Trump. But she has stepped forward and challenged Trump directly, on his own usual ground. She has called him out and knocked him down. And unlike some of his opponents in the GOP primary, she has clearly announced that she is not afraid of him, of his surrogates or this month’s campaign staffers.
Trump expects people to fear him, to be cautious, to react to his attacks. But Hillary is having none of it.
She has called him out. And she has neutralized his surrogates and staff by openly calling them the bigots that they are.
If this were a boxing match, she would be Muhammad Ali who, when hit hard by George Foreman, would simply challenge him with, “Is that all you’ve got?”
vtr
The next time Donald sees his proctologist, the doctor will declare, “I see you have a new one!”
sukabi
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: she’s had 25+ years of practice.
jl
@Anoniminous: Trump has made a great contribution to political RAMBLA.
Chris
@PhoenixRising:
Yep. Exactly.
Archon
Hillary Clinton is definitely not playing games because she threw the kitchen sink at Trump today. Basically called out anyone voting for Trump as a bigot or abiding bigotry. Tough stuff.
RaflW
@me Aaaaaand like clockwork, indeed the MSM cannot leave the universe of political reporting unbalanced for long, lest the dilithium crystals overheat or something:
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
I’m not worrying. I’m noting.
Mnemosyne
@Mike J:
The Libertarians really are aiming straight at the men’s rights crowd, aren’t they?
Cacti
@Chris:
Yep.
Hillary saw a crack in the GOP, stuck a wedge in, and is swinging away with a sledgehammer. There are still Republican voters out there who don’t like to think of themselves as hateful, racist nutjobs. Hillary is smartly trying to make it untenable to believe that about yourself while supporting Trump.
Corner Stone
Of course the HRC campaign should continue featuring uniformed klansmen in their ads/webvideos against Trump. That is who he is. That’s what he does. That’s all he does. And he absolutely will not stop until he is crushed.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kay: I think her campaign is extraordinarily well-disciplined this time around. They’ll hit this long enough to make it hurt.
RaflW
FYWP! Haven’t gone to boo-boo land for a while.
Corner Stone
@Kay: EMAILS!!!
Peale
@Brachiator: Unlike his Republican opponents, Clinton doesn’t need the votes of those “pretend extremist” Republicans in order to win an election. Those Republicans needed to be silent on this matter because they wanted those voters, too when Trump failed. (And he didn’t fail because they are the largest group of Republican voters). The establishment republicans didn’t really seem to understand how much their base had changed. The “elect a relatable guy in a suit like Bush or Kaisch” voters aren’t enough any longer to win a primary. I know trying to get those voters is going to go over like a lead balloon with some on the left because she’s pandering to the right, but she hasn’t actually offered them anything. Just a chance to find a home that isn’t run by lunatics.
Hal
@Chris: Reagan’s popularity always seemed like a retcon of what people actually thought of him during his presidency. Huge wins aside, the myth of Reagan as the best president who ever lived is a fantasy wedged deep in the heart of conservative America, but…
http://www.gallup.com/poll/11887/ronald-reagan-from-peoples-perspective-gallup-poll-review.aspx
And this is from back in 2004
lollipopguild
@Kay: The GOP “leadership” such as it is wants nothing to do with explaining these things to their base.
Uncle Cosmo
How about a link to a video of the speech that doesn’t force me to sit thru all the warmup acts?
BR
I just realized one other amazing thing about this speech — by putting Bannon at the center of it, she forces the Trump campaign to respond with Conway, who is their new de facto spokesperson. But anything she says about Bannon will eventually piss off Bannon behind the scenes (if it’s true he’s just like Trump, which is what’s been reported) and cause infighting.
Chris
@Kay:
Yep, “trained and practiced” exactly. Heck. To bastardize a perfectly good quote, he sounded like a layman’s idea of what an actor is supposed to sound like (if it sounds trained and perfect, that’s not good acting).
jl
@Peale: Like Josh Marshall says, most of the current GOP political leadership hasn’t faced up to the nonsense, ignorant BS and hatemonger debt they’ve built up in their party.
Wish more would be as direct. Marshall just writes: ‘These dudes have pumped out pure BS and nonsense for decades, what did they expect with the true believers?’ (edit, well OK that is a paraphrase, from memory, so put it single quotes)
BR
@Uncle Cosmo:
here you go.
Brachiator
@Anoniminous:
Trump is one of the founders of that organization. He and Rick Santorum.
I read it on the Internet.
Peale
@efgoldman: Yep. I mean, come on. Trump supporters aren’t the only ones who would like to feast on the livers of the punditry.
Kay
@jl:
There’s an older Democrat here, a railroad retiree and he’s actually a really sharp political observer. I like to talk to him about “the old days”. He told me during Obama’s first election that it reminded him of Reagan – “he was a train coming and no one was gonna stop it and Obama’s the same way”. It was comforting because I was quite invested in that election. He supported Clinton over Obama in 08 because he said Democratic electeds and operatives and state Party people didn’t know Obama well enough to defend him when he got into a tough spot – they’d abandon him- and that happened. He was right.
lollipopguild
@efgoldman: You left out the part about his Heart Attack Machine(TM).
PhoenixRising
Bannon, editor of a publication that ran the headline ‘Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?*’, is not going to react well to being called what he is.
Pass the popcorn.
*having had both and learned different things from each, I’m biased toward feminism. But I’ve had it a lot longer–first incident was coming home from kindergarten demanding redress against boys who wouldn’t let me play with the fire truck and teachers who offered me the dollhouse.
Chris
@Peale:
It’s as if they don’t understand their own Southern Strategy. The point of which was to bring in enough ultraconservative ex-Democrats to be able to completely take over the party from the liberal/moderate wing based on the East Coast.
You know, the exact liberal/moderate wing for whom the “relatable guy in a suit like Kasich” thing would have resonated. Hello, nitwits: those people don’t exist anymore. Most of them are Democrats now. You know this; you chased them out!
Kay
@Corner Stone:
My daughter hates the emails. Not only does she not care where they were stored, she doesn’t care what’s in them. She (correctly) assumed they would be boring and work-related.
scav
Anytime Ronnie’s speechifying comes up, I am comforted by Oliver Sack’s thing on it from The Man who Mistook his Wife for a Hat. Out of the mouths of aphasics and those with tonal agnosia.
Kathleen
@raven: Glad to see you’re recovering nicely! May it continue apace.
Mnemosyne
@Chris:
THIS! We want the Republican establishment desperately trying to hold the shreds of their party together while we coo to their voters, “Come to the sane party, we have cookies!”
Millard Filmore
@redshirt:
Just push it into the sun.
RaflW
Actual Ann Coulter new book passage defending Trump’s defamatory impersonation of the NYT reporter:
Good lord, the conservative movement is blindingly awful. A complete sewer. But I admire the timing! This hitting twitter just after HRC’s speech plays in nicely. Racial purists do somewhat typically not take kindly to the disabled. Coulter clashes a giant gong around that idea.
Mnemosyne
@RaflW:
Totally OT, but I found a new FODMAPs resource — Stephanie Clairmont, who’s an RD in Canada. I’m taking a whole online class, but you can buy an e-version of her book from her website. I’ve tried several of her recipes and like them better than Kate Scarlata’s.
SFAW
@redshirt:
Yeah, he is, but he’s not Trump-level bad.
Major Major Major Major
@Chris: I know some people like that who were practically salivating to vote for Kasich. They exist. They like David Brooks.
Cacti
@PhoenixRising:
Given that Trump isn’t exactly popular with women voters as is, my fav Breitbart headline for its damage value was:
“The Solution to Online Harassment: Women Should Log Off.”
Any on the fence woman voter gets to be instantly reminded of every caveman relative, ex-spouse, ex-boyfriend, and former boss she ever had when thinking of the Trump campaign.
Anoniminous
@PhoenixRising:
Was Bannon hired on some kind of “Jobs for the Virulently Stupid” government program?
Sandia Blanca
So, Fred Trump claimed his parents were from Sweden, and Donald repeated that claim in his book, The Art of the Deal.
But they were from Germany, not Sweden. So can we start calling him “The Swedish Chef”?
Lurker Extraordinaire
@gogol’s wife: I. Love. That. Movie.
Mnemosyne
@Anoniminous:
Yep. It’s called “straight white middle-class male privilege.” ?
geg6
@Omnes Omnibus:
She’s a Democrat. It’s what we’ve always done. We’re not used to having such a fighter in our corner. If Obama is our Ali, elegant and nimble in the ring, she’s Frazier, tough and the hardest hitter ever.
hovercraft
Kelly Ward, John McCain’s primary opponent, “we got to mix the mortar to fix the border”,” she wished him a happy 80th birthday and said he was too old to continue to serve, when challenged on her ageism she said as a physician for 25 years she can attest to what age does to the mind and body. She recommends putting him out to pasture.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: Aw man, I’m ineligible. So close!
MCA1
@p.a.: I’ve been thinking that, too. And it makes me less pessimistic about her upcoming presidency than I’d normally be, given the obstructionus maximus GOP that will still probably hold the House at minimum. And despite the both sides media who will jump right into the Amway business of telling us how Trump was just some toxic alien who found a host body in the Republican Party and most Republicans didn’t even like him and Clinton doesn’t have a mandate despite 350+ EVs.
She (a) has the disposition to, and (b) has nothing to lose by, calling out the rat bastard shenanigans of McConnell and friends from the get-go. There’s no risk of anyone calling her an angry negro. And she won’t be entering office with the warm glow of high personal/likeability ratings that she’d be at risk of burning by fighting back, or burdened by the kind of bullshit bleating about (imaginary) messianic promises about bringing the country together all day every day, and how is this ripping on Republicans the hope and change we need blah blah blah that they tagged PBO with the first time he mouthed a Democratic policy perspective.
No. Clinton can go bully the fuck out of that pulpit in a way Obama couldn’t early on in his presidency.
Darrin Ziliak (formerly glocksman)
@SFAW:
Romney is Albert Speer to Trump’s Adolf Hitler..
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@John D:
@Mnemosyne: Someone I follow on the relic known as LiveJournal, Nick Mamatas, works at Haikasoru Press, current publishers of the translation of All You Need Is Kill, and I can assure you they have many fine titles available.
redshirt
@Sandia Blanca: BullShit BullShit BullShit!!!
Brachiator
@? Martin:
Perhaps. But the opening of Clinton’s speech was a feint. No one goes to a “Star Wars” movie to see long discussions about the trade federation.
People didn’t come to hear Hillary just to hear detailed ideas about taxes and small business. They expected some stump speech and some rah rah get out the vote stuff.
She set them up for the usual campaign stuff, and then wound up and kicked all kind of Trump ass.
Just a beautiful job.
Corner Stone
@Anoniminous: I’d prefer he have feminism. Thanks for asking.
Mike in NC
@Uncle Cosmo: Fast forward by about 30 minutes.
Her next speech should focus on his tax returns and indebtedness.
redshirt
@MCA1: I like this analysis a lot! Why not? She already knows the stakes. The Republican House will NEVER work with her, no matter what she does. So factor that in from the start.
SFAW
@Millard Filmore:
If that task were turned over to Trump’s campaign, they would probably fuck it up by waiting until nighttime, i.e. after sunset.
Punchy
@efgoldman: All of you may think she beat up Trump in her speech today, but if you think thats how Teh Meedeeya is going to report it, whoo boy you’re in for a huge disappointment.
Im stunned they havent accused HRC of being too mean and being so unladylike.
Mnemosyne
@John D:
Yes, but half of the appeal of the movie for me is getting to see Tom Cruise get killed over and over again.
redshirt
@Brachiator: I’m actually interested in the Trade Federation as Lucas’s bad guys in the prequels. Think about what he’s saying. Jar Jar excepted.
Kathleen
@efgoldman: Be still my heart! The NPR “reporter” on All Things Considered was literally spluttering and stammering and bewailing the fact that candidates used to talk about tax policy and it’s going to be a long 75 days. I guess her delicate fee fees were hurt by a woman daring to speak truth. (Funny how the media just love Rethuglican white “straight talkers who tell it like it is” and who threaten and bully them. Democrats, uh, not so much.)
The co-anchor (female) on my local NBC affiliate actually seemed embarrassed, so, luckily for her, the segment on the speech spent more time on clips accusing HRC of “deflecting attention” away from the Clinton Foundation than it did on the actual speech.
These noxious vapors need to be continually mocked without mercy.
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
Patricia Kayden:
I do not doubt that, and the slime at that site weren’t the first to make that claim.
(I had to hand-build the link to reply, as the REPLY button on you comment kept trying to send me to that cesspool, but would never let me type out a reply…)
SFAW
And with all the talk of lasers and ashes and GoldenEye and Death Stars, how come there are no sharks? With frickin’ lasers?
JR in WV
@redshirt:
We have been informed that is why he can’t release his tax returns!
redshirt
@SFAW: That’s pretty impractical. Seawater makes a laser mostly useless.
Peale
@Punchy: @Kathleen: Yep. I knew they’d spin it as her deflecting the Foundation scandal. Its what they’ve always done. This was the first of many speeches she’ll have to give and surrogates will have to pound. The good news is that I think its easier to go after Alex Jones and Manafort and Bannon than it was to attack Romney on his business dealings. Remember how well Corey Booker did at anti-private equity populism on Obama’s behalf?
Mike J
@efgoldman:
Libertarians are just Republicans who don’t want to admit it out loud.
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: They are mounted on mounted on the fin. Obvs.
Mnemosyne
@Punchy:
Of course, the interesting thing about Obama is that he showed that you don’t need the MSM (aka Beltway media) to be on your side in order to win. Hillary is doing the same stealth media strategy of going local that Obama did, and it’s going to blindside the MSM just like it did in 2008 and 2012.
I’m going to be really interested to see if there’s a significant uptick in the Latino vote since Kaine is able to go on all of the Spanish-language outlets and hold his own. From what bilingual people have said here, Kaine’s accent is a little funky because he learned Spanish as an adult, but it’s obvious that he’s very fluent and can have a conversation, not just read a prepared speech.
Chris
@Kathleen:
Christ on a pogo stick, am I exhausted of the notion that it’s somehow more Serious and Respectable and Important to talk about tax policy than it is to talk about racism, sexism, nativism, et al.
Having now read the entire text of the speech, yeah, I have to say that I loved it. And I really love the way Democrats have put the rights of nonwhites, and their status as the party of nonwhites, absolutely front and center in this election. Republicans have used that for so long as an anvil to put around our necks; “oh, they don’t care about you! They only pay attention to minorities, and feminists, and icky gays! Not normal people!” There’s something delightful about seeing how that same exact notion is increasingly becoming an asset or us and an anvil around the neck for them.
@SFAW:
Hmm.
Could the lasers be attached to something?
Miss Bianca
Well, I just finished watching the speech. I call it “solid”.
Miss Bianca
@redshirt: I read that as “Kinky Old Grandfather knows what’s best for the family” and that was a bad, bad couple of seconds.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: Quoth the DDR judge.
hovercraft
@Anoniminous:
He was hired at the request of a NYC billionaire and his daughter, who have given millions to a Trump superpac.
MCA1
@Chris: Oh, they still exist. I know plenty of them. They’re the self-proclaimed “socially liberal, fiscally conservative” majority at every suburban cocktail party north of Richmond and St. Louis. In reality, of course, “socially liberal, fiscally conservative” means “Yeah, yeah, let the gay people marry, I don’t really give a shit. But I still back the party that enables the dominionist social Neanderthals and the pathetic KKKrackers and the decay of our educational system and physical infrastructure, because I am a one issue voter, and that issue is: MY MONEY.” Politely expressed as “small government,” and occasionally they’ll even have a story or two about bureaucratic waste or excessive spending on an easily dismissed social program. I think that small government philosophy is mostly sincerely believed, too, because no one wants to believe that their political motivations inevitably and invariably boil down only to their own bank account; that would make them a shitty, selfish citizen. But at the end of the day, all their vote is motivated by is their personal income tax rates and making sure the exemption from estate taxes is high enough not to take too much of their dad’s money before it comes to them.
The most beautiful part of this election for me is seeing that demographic have the limits of their single issue focus pushed to the breaking point with Trump. I think that some of them might even be coming to the realization that there’s no political party that prioritizes their primary interest anymore outside of that one third party that’s mostly kooks and is just so gaudily transparent about their greediness. And my deeper, schadenfreudiest hope is that a few of them may actually figure out that they share some complicity for the monster in their midst right now.
This is as close to pitchforks as we’re likely to get, I think.
Shana
@SFAW: Isn’t Tom Cruise always playing a teenager really?
Perhaps you can tell I don’t like him…
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman:
God, I hope so. Let it be so!
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Like “solid” was an insult! Nah!
That speech did what it had to do – pin the tail of white supremacy on the ass of Donald Trump. *Solidly*. : )
Miss Bianca
@MCA1:
Except I think they’re starting to realize that THEIR MONEY would be very much more at risk under a Trump presidency than a Clinton one. So, there’s that.
magurakurin
@Peale:
Isn’t that just down to 5 old, white guys in Vermont lead by Jeff Weaver now? Fuck em. Clinton is a professional. She knows what she is doing unlike the Burlington Five.
Spider-Dan
@Hal: The Reagan worship is simple and straightforward. If you’re a Republican and you want to celebrate a Republican President of the last 100 years, here are your options:
– one of the most corrupt administrations of all time, consistently rated in the bottom 5 ever (Harding)
– a milquetoast do nothing (Coolidge… and he has his supporters!)
– the guy that steered us into the Great Depression (Hoover)
– the RINOiest RINO to ever live (Ike)
– the guy who resigned to avoid being impeached (Nixon)
– a pair of one-term losers (Ford, Poppy Bush)
– St. Ronaldus Maximus
– the guy that steered us into the Great Recession (Dubya)
Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.
Truegster
@p.a.: this is my genuine hope for Hillz over Obama. I really do want her to politically castrate the Republicans relentlessly month after month, for years, until they show up with a legitimate argument. No more “serious” Ryan budget gimmick year after year, for example.
redshirt
@Spider-Dan: Heh. A regular Bronx Bombers of awesomeness.
lollipopguild
@SFAW: They are in the basement.
sigaba
@Kay: This message is meant not for voters but for media.
MCA1
@Miss Bianca: Oh, no doubt. That’s what begat the self-delusions of “Well, Congress would never let him get away with _______________ [insert either mildly progressive or completely fucking insane policy choice]. And if he tried anything really crazy, they’d just impeach him.” Even that level of complete dysfunction (but more likely total chaos and possibly existential threat), to some, is better than Clinton maybe possibly raising the top marginal rate on taxable income over 400 grand.
Schlemazel
@BR:
Turns out the legitimate source I read it on was carrying a story from a satirical site without attribution. It did sound too perfect to be true
Spider-Dan
@redshirt: The irony is that I would actually put Ike pretty high up on the all-time list. He’s one of the better Presidents we’ve had, but for reasons that are anathema to the right (enormous federal expansion via Interstate highway system, direct intervention in Brown v. Board). So they are forced to run away from him, which leaves Bedtime for Bonzo as their only option (again, excepting the bizarre and inexplicable Coolidge Fan Club).
Splitting Image
@Spider-Dan:
Well, one of them did have “I beat Adolph Hitler” on his resume, but he was as you said a RINO.
smedley the uncertain
@Villago Delenda Est: Somebody had it in for him…
manyakitty
@Omnes Omnibus: Google says a lot about it.
Jeffro
@MCA1:
Have to agree with this…
On a related note, I have been increasingly impressed with Dems’ ability to call out dogwhistles whenever, wherever they appear…Harry Reid is good at it, and it looks like Hillary Clinton is great at it, from what I’ve seen so far.
Villago Delenda Est
@RaflW: Remember that the seeds of the Holocaust were planted when the Nazis started “euthanizing” the “imperfect” in German society…the mentally and physically disabled.
RaflW
@Mnemosyne: Have you seen —Fuck yeah, FODMAP diet!
A more irreverent look at living with it all.
gene108
@Spider-Dan:
The lack of successful Presidents is part of the continued Reagan worship. The other part is he got embedded into the right-wing conservative movement early on, when it was forming in the 1950’s as a backlash to the New Deal.
He was their spokesman. He gave a speech, released as an LP, in the early 1960’s equating socialized medicine (Medicare) as the first step towards communism in America.
When civil rights rose to national attention the conservative movement, pro-business and rabidly anti-communist, merged with the bigots in opposition.
When he became President the conservative movement kicked into gear to take over the Republican Party.
By the start of GHWB’s administration there as a political price to pay for raising taxes, unlike in Reagan’s tenure, when tax hikes were not the kiss of death.
gene108
@gene108:
As I am not able to edit, I just want to add Reagan gave the power of the Republican Party to the Fundies and the anti-tax zealots. He was their champion and had been for decades.
They revere him as their fallen hero, who brought them up from the dark places, where they had mimeograph machines in their basements to the light of being power centers in the Republican Party.
Mnemosyne
@RaflW:
No! I will have to read it.
JR in WV
@Uncle Cosmo:
Dude, just click out on the timeline until you get to Hillary. You don’t have to watch stuff you don’t want to on youtube.
maryQ
This: “She burned the fucking Trump campaign to the ground and pissed on the ashes — in a remarkably ladylike fashion.”
There has been and will be no accomplishment in my life great enough to assuage my sense of unworthiness caused by the fact that I have never written a sentence as awesome as that one.
randy khan
@redshirt:
There are people saying Trump might have NAMBLA links. It would be irresponsible not to speculate as to what they might be.
Plantsmantx
@dmsilev: He accused her of calling all his supporters- “decent people” all- racists. Next, he’ll accuse her of calling all white people racists. When it comes to this kind of stuff, Trump is a standard, garden-variety internet conservative, so I know he’ll end up accusing her of calling all white people racist. It’s what they do.
JR in WV
@Miss Bianca:
I liked the speech a lot, and 12 minutes in I called Mrs J over to start it over.
I think in this speech Hillary Clinton nailed the white hood/dunces cap onto Trump’s forehead. Hopefully for keeps.
JR in WV
@Spider-Dan:
St. Ronaldus Maximus
This guy is the first president to openly commit treason to clinch his election in the history of democracy, at least in this country.
No other way to describe the despicable deal making with the Iranians holding our diplomats hostage.
ETA: Well, after a minute to think, Nixon and K and their back door dealing with Hanoi, that’s there too, for me.
Matt McIrvin
@Spider-Dan: From the perspective of the Presidential race alone, a 3-point Trump loss is as good as a mile. But if we want to take Congress, going hard after Trump is the way to do it, because that drives turnout and builds the Democratic bandwagon. I’ve seen the ads aimed at the NH market tying Trump to Kelly Ayotte like an anchor. It’s not as if people aren’t doing this.
Plantsmantx
@Citizen_X: Chris Matthews did it in the closing segment of his show.
Matt McIrvin
@Hal: Reagan was popular when it counted: when he was up for election (against weak opponents). Through the first few years of his first term, he was unpopular because there was a crippling recession going on–but the recovery was in full swing just when he was running for reelection. Then his second term was dominated by the Iran-contra scandal, which knocked his popularity down quite a bit once it broke.
The arc of Bill Clinton’s popularity was really quite similar to Reagan’s, for similar reasons. But Monicagate and impeachment actually hurt him less than Iran-contra did Reagan. Maybe partly because Clinton’s economic boom lasted longer.
Blue Galangal
@jl: @Hal: Sorry to chime in so late, but re: the Reagan phenomenon… It was a phenomenon. I was barely not old enough to vote in 1984, but I was in college at the time, and Reagan was a phenomenon. He wasn’t wildly popular on my campus, but very few people hated him or even made fun of him. Although in retrospect he was a supply side extremist, he didn’t come across that way at the time, and certainly Carter was blamed for the country’s malaise. I do remember the gas rationing when I was in high school, and my dad complaining bitterly about it because we lived on a farm and getting in town on gas day was a hassle.
But I digress. Regarding Reagan, many people at the time regarded him as funny and kind. He had kind of a “grandpa” aura that worked very well for him. I remember being amused by the “I hope you’re a Republican” to the surgeon when he was shot, and most of my peers and I also found the “Russia has been outlawed, we commence bombing in five minutes” to be genuinely funny. I’ll tell you who everyone disliked: Nancy Reagan. My peers and I couldn’t stand her and her phony “this is your brain on drugs” stuff. This was the early days of MTV, too, and we suffered a lot of those stupid PSAs.
Dmbeaster
@Turgidson: Amen. This was a significant Obama weakness in his earlier years. The recent masterful trolling of the GOP has been so welcome. He never had FDR’s political skill of campaigning for his policies while doing the hard work to get policy right.
Dmbeaster
@Plantsmantx: That dick was mad because of the KKK references in the anti-Trump messaging. Eff him and his fee-fees.
Truegster
it’s just that #somepeoplesay Trump’s financially connected to NAMBLA, I don’t know, you tell me. Twitter is fng magic right now, full of glee and mirth. The internet Trolls (yes, capital T) really think Trump can win based on rally sizes. Someone yelled out “pepe” from the crowd when Hillary said “alt-right” today, for example. They feel involved, they love how Trump shitposts IRL by holding up anti-immigrant charts at a rally, it’s what Pepe would do.
You know how the administration doesn’t like to give credibility to ISIS by using the term “radical Islam”? Yeah, the Hillz just made the alt-right all go apeshit by saying their name. Watch for the Trolls to make fools of themselves even more, playing into Hillz hands.
Genine
She may not be President (yet), but she’s definitely Queen of Nofuckistan!
Nice speech!
Spider-Dan
@Matt McIrvin: A 3-point win will result in more of this “stolen election” ACORNspiracy nonsense. A 20-point win is significantly more difficult to blame on community organizers.
Terry
@FlipYrWhig: You post makes no sense.
Eyes Open
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8iaJTC5jk
ha ha ha ah ha