Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Everyone is in a bubble, but some bubbles model reality far better than others!

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

Ron DeSantis, the grand wizard, oops, governor of FL.

Every reporter and pundit should have to declare if they ever vacationed with a billionaire.

A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.

He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.

And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.

Don’t expect peaches from an apple tree.

If you tweet it in all caps, that makes it true!

In my day, never was longer.

The most dangerous place for a black man in America is in a white man’s imagination.

🎶 Those boots were made for mockin’ 🎵

It’s not hopeless, and we’re not helpless.

Optimism opens the door to great things.

I’ve spoken to my cat about this, but it doesn’t seem to do any good.

I desperately hope that, yet again, i am wrong.

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

If you still can’t see these things even now, maybe politics isn’t your forte and you should stop writing about it.

The Giant Orange Man Baby is having a bad day.

Let me eat cake. The rest of you could stand to lose some weight, frankly.

Wake up. Grow up. Get in the fight.

People are complicated. Love is not.

There is no right way to do the wrong thing.

Usually wrong but never in doubt

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Lifehacker on “How to Stream the Second Presidential Debate Online, No Cable Required“.

I plan to listen on NBC’s Youtube stream, for as long as I can stand it.

The Guardian‘s invaluable livestream here.

Everybody taken a bathroom break, got your adult beverages of choice & snax ready?

(Diet coke & take-out Chinese food, in my case.)

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  8. 8.

    khead

    I’ve been waiting for this GOP beatdown for a long time. Please don’t blow it like the Chargers fumbling a FG today.

  12. 12.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    Getting my debate prep by watching El Marginal on Netflix, not to bad a show though a tad rough for a prison show since OZ.

  14. 14.

    CaseyL

    No way am I watching this. Trump’s latest trick has me feeling physically ill.

    I’ll follow along here. Dear FSM, may it not be as appalling, repugnant, and ugly as it looks like it’s going to be.

  16. 16.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I have salmon and sautéed spinach. I really wish I had booze or ice cream, at least some doritos, but tomorrow I’ll be glad I was too lazy to go back to the store

  20. 20.

    skerry

    Donald J. TrumpVerified account
    ‏@realDonaldTrump
    My team of deplorables will be taking over my Twitter account for tonight’s #debate
    #MakeAmericaGreatAgain

    7:24 PM – 9 Oct 2016
    St Louis, MO

  21. 21.

    Iowa Old Lady

    Do you think there’s any chance we’ll get real discussion of issues like climate and guns (ie some of the top questions people voted on)? Or are we condemned to swim around in Trump’s sewage?

  31. 31.

    Run, Lillian!

    Josh Marshall makes a good point that after all the build up, Trump won’t actually be able to attack Hillary to her face as he choked in the last debate, in Mexico, and with the pastor. Like all bullies, at heart he’s an utter wimp and wilts when confronted. I genuinely have no idea what to expect and am a bit nervous.

  35. 35.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    wisdom don’t get much more conventional than this

    Chuck Todd @ chucktodd
    Who thinks this is the last debate of the campaign?

    actually, I don’t see either one dropping out

  40. 40.

    lamh36

    As I said in the previous thread

    I am a advocate for sexual assault victims.
    But these women willing to let someone like Donald Trump use this like this…doesn’t sit well with me…

    Donald Trump on that tape is essentially admitting to being a sexual predator…and not only are you siting next to him, but you are voting for him, as some sort of ding against Bill Clinton..

  42. 42.

    lamh36

    oh and Kelly Ann Conway is no longer funny to me. She’s as much a POS as her boss…good job Kelly…

  47. 47.

    NotMax

    Repost from below.

    “I’d like to thank Washington U. for hosting this debate, and the great town of St, Louis. Oh, and those are some bodacious bazongas for a woman your age, Martha.”

  48. 48.

    Smiling Mortician

    The Trump kids look nervous. Chelsea looks happy. Bill looks calm but also ready to watch his wife devour Trump.

  49. 49.

    Iowa Old Lady

    @lamh36: This morning Giuliani said he was subbing for Conway because she had a scheduling conflict. He kind of laughed when he said it. I wonder if she’d been dispatched to round up these women.

  50. 50.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I half jokingly said the other day that it was Christie saying things like this. Now I’d confidently bet $100 to somebody’s favorite charity, as long as it’s not a Trump family slush fund

    Frank Thorp V ‏@ frankthorp 43m43 minutes ago University City, MO
    Source close to the Trump campaign calls Trump press event with @billclinton accusers “dismaying,” saying “It’s so stupid.”

  53. 53.

    Kay

    One nice thing about the Romney grown children- after he lost they went on with their lives.

    We’ll never be rid of the Trumps.

  58. 58.

    mali muso

    Can’t bear to watch, but will probably follow along here and on Twitter. Already donated (again) to Hillary after reading about that hideous presser.

    Today, I took my 8 month pregnant belly on a nice walk and did a canvas shift for the campaign and knocked on some 40 doors. A lot of people not home or who have moved (area had a lot of townhouses) but talked to some HRC voters and at least cleaned up the VAN list. If I can find time in the next few weekends, I think I’ll try to give more time. It’s better than wringing my hands and fuming at crap on Facebook anyways.

  61. 61.

    Elizabelle

    Watching NBC, and the no audio or newsbots chattering is refreshing.

    Bill Clinton graciously shook hands with all the lesser Trumps as they arrived, Melania in some kind of fuschia catsuit.

    I feel so protective of him. How weird to attend your wife’s debate and realize you’re the one who’s going to be brutally attacked (as well).

  62. 62.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Jonathan Bernstein ‏@ jbview 1m1 minute ago
    Wouldn’t shock me if the debate is dull. Also wouldn’t shock me if Trump stripped naked, or slugged Clinton, or did a cartwheel.

    why the “or”s?

  68. 68.

    Jim, Foolish Literalist

    @Kay: One nice thing about the Romney grown children- after he lost they went on with their lives.

    True, but the old man’s loss, MA politics and Jason Chaffetz, are like the only things that spared us from Candidate, if not Senator, Tagg. And they’re young. I doubt we’ve seen the last of the would-be White Colts.

  71. 71.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Run, Lillian!: I wrote this at 7:52 PM EDT:
    https://balloon-juice.com/2016/10/09/just-start-your-debate-drinking-game-now/#comment-6045965

    @Corner Stone: Yes, but… Everyone said, and it was leaked, he was going to try to go all out at her – President Clinton’s sexual history, Benghazi, the server, etc – at the first debate. He didn’t. And I think it may be that he can’t. He’s fine being a bully to those he knows he can bully. He’s clearly aware that he can’t bully her. So when they’re together he just basically looks and sounds and acts frustrated. We’ll see if that dynamic holds tonight or whether he actually can bring himself to go there. And part of what also has to be accounted for is that the town hall format is not conducive to what he and his campaign seem to be telegraphing for tonight.

  73. 73.

    piratedan

    @lamh36: the sad thing is, I think some people have a price and I assume they have bills and needs, as such I’m not sure how many of them had to be coerced. Plus, not all women are altrustic, witness Conway, Coulter, Blackburn, Ayotte, Palin and Bachmann… I don’t believe they are the majority though…

  74. 74.

    cokane

    For those wanting to watch online, I highly recommend CSPAN. No nonsense on the website, good unfiltered coverage

  76. 76.

    Elizabelle

    Dogblessit. Andrea Mitchell. Forgot about that risk of watching NBC.

    On the positive side, she’s discussing Bill Clinton as potential rapist. Hasn’t brought up ….

    And Mitchell just flung in “emails.” Leaked emails.

  85. 85.

    MomSense

    Nike suit choice for Hillz

    ETA meant to write bold but apparently my phone’s choice of the goddess Nike was better.

  89. 89.

    Peale

    @dmsilev: I will say it again. Pence is a loser. I can’t wait for him to translate his minute of debate fame into a run in four years only to get his ass handed to him. Out by Iowa.

  112. 112.

    Suzanne

    @Baud: I know. Mr. Suzanne just said, “I hate every single one of them,” upon hearing that they are all undecided.

  113. 113.

    Run, Lillian!

    @Kay: It has been kind of amusing to see Romney nostalgia scattered across the liberal quarters of the internet this weekend. Wow, was that a whole different election.

  124. 124.

    NotMax

    HRC went right to responding to the question and skipped the usual “thank you” niceties. She’s stoked.

  129. 129.

    PsiFighter37

    Donald not answering the question. And he’s sniffling again! Cocaine is a helluva drug.

  131. 131.

    Elizabelle

    @Baud: Described as “uncommitted voters.” Not yet committed to a candidate.

    Because really. If you’re a GOP, who knows who will be on the ballot by Thursday?

    PS: no handshake. Now I am in the club.

  136. 136.

    WaterGirl

    Just back at BJ after maybe 90 minutes gone. This presser Trump held? Holy fucking shit. Trump is beyond a slime ball!!

  144. 144.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    Yep, horrible Obamacare, that’s why there are so many more people insured, because insurance costs went up.

  148. 148.

    dmsilev

    Tape question up. Sexual assault.

    Apparently “locker room talk” is the talking point. And ISIS.

  151. 151.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    I agree 100% with being positive and uplifting. Now let me be 100% negative and on the attack.

    It’s like he’s got half a brain.

  166. 166.

    piratedan

    as Anderson presses him about his tapes and Trump references ISIS as part of his answer… honest.

  170. 170.

    Elizabelle

    Child in the room. I think about fifth grade. I am worried what he might be exposed to later in this debate … first year that’s a consideration.

    Genitals just came up. First in a presidential debate.

    Trump: that did not happen at all. It was talk, not action. Look: ISIS.

  173. 173.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    “I didn’t say that. This was locker room talk (that he didn’t say?). ISIS, chopping off heads.”

    He’s talking complete sentences, I guess that’s an improvement?

  179. 179.

    misterpuff

    OOOHHHH! Here we go! Lockerroom talk is not head lopping. I will take care of ISIS, I’ll grab them in the pussy!

  181. 181.

    dmsilev

    Seriously”Locker room talk. ISIS. Locker room talk. ISIS”.

    If you listen carefully, you can hear muffled bangs coming from back stage as Trump’s spinners take the honorable way out.

  185. 185.

    khead

    Ok, so, I am pretty good after just two questions. Again. It only took two in the first debate. Hillary hasn’t even answered the second question yet.

  189. 189.

    JGabriel

    It was locker room talk, and, anyway, it was all ISIS’s fault. Jeepers, what a creep.

  194. 194.

    piratedan

    and now she’s unsheathing the knife and showing it to him… letting him see the blade.

  195. 195.

    No One You Know

    Anderson reminding him what the question was. Again with the borders! Just no personal boundaries allowed…whoo, fitness to serve! Yes.

  197. 197.

    Elizabelle

    “Nobody has more respect for women than I do.”

    Except the skag I’m running against. Married to a rapist.

    Now, let’s talk about ISIS and the illegals streaming into our country.

  198. 198.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Shame about getting another defective microphone! It’s like a terrible plot.

  200. 200.

    shortribs

    Nobody has more respect for women than me.
    -Donald Trump

    I can’t believe he’s still saying that out loud.

  207. 207.

    lamh36

    @piratedan: As someone with a personal family history when it comes sexual assault, even if nothing ever happened to the predator…i can damn well tell you I wouldn’t knowingly and wittingly aid and abet a predator ..period.

    Bills or no bills.

  209. 209.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Any guesses on which benzo they handed him to counterbalance the blow? Lorazepam is mine.

  213. 213.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    Oh, it’s the constipated “I am a serious person” look. He kept that up for about 30 minutes last time before melting down, right?

  214. 214.

    Mary G

    Hillary is so far out of his league. She’s relating to the voters and he’s staring into spaces and fidgeting.

  219. 219.

    Elizabelle

    Pivots to fitness to be president.

    Indeed. I hope Bob Gates’ and others endorsements come up. Bring them up.

  221. 221.

    Keith P.

    Hillary looked down as soon as Trump finally said he didn’t grope/kiss women without their consent. I suspect her team has proof of otherwise.

  228. 228.

    piratedan

    @lamh36: not tryin to excuse them.. just trying to fathom why they did what they did. That’s the best I could come up with. Maybe they really feel that DT is their best option.

  230. 230.

    Elizabelle

    “Great because we are good.”

    Second time that phrase came up. Although, there are deplorables …

    Trump: It’s just words, folks.

  232. 232.

    ? Martin

    Yep. She pivots off of Trump and talks about society, and Trump attacks her personally. He can’t understand how the audience would see that.

  235. 235.

    mali muso

    @Iowa Old Lady: Yes, very excited here! About six more weeks to go. And fingers crossed, she’ll be born into a world in which being a girl won’t be a barrier to reaching the highest office in the land.

  238. 238.

    danielx

    @Mary G:

    ….and Trump is off the rails already.

    Didn’t take long either.

    Y’know, business titan and genius are not the first thoughts that come to mind when viewing his remarkably artificial visage.
    Pathetic bloated roue, perhaps.

  247. 247.

    psycholinguist

    he is scared when there’s a woman on the stage. rambling and the moderator shuts him down, then comes right back at him with his bus adventure

  248. 248.

    lamh36

    @NOLAnews 25s26 seconds ago
    Clinton: “What we all saw and heard on Friday was Donald talking about women, what he thinks about women, what he does to women.” #debate

  255. 255.

    wenchacha

    Bill Clinton is worse. Nobody in the history of politics has been worse.

    Nobody heard of Thomas Jefferson?

  256. 256.

    CZanne

    “It’s just words.”

    Just words is also known as emotional abuse. It’s gaslighting.

    Is this a townhall, or is it an intervention?

    Did M just ask him when he stopped beating his wife?

  261. 261.

    Adam L Silverman

    And he’s just gone after President Clinton and Secretary Clinton on the Shelton rape case.

  270. 270.

    Mandalay

    @Adam L Silverman:

    At some point he’s broken his nose badly and whoever did the repair didn’t do a good job.

    That must have happened since the Republican debates – he wasn’t sniffing back then. It’s really bad tonight.

  274. 274.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    Even if he weren’t a train wreck in every other way the sniffing would ruin his performance. Yow.

  277. 277.

    Betty Cracker

    He might actually drop dead. I hope not. I want him to live long enough to get beaten badly.

  278. 278.

    BellyCat

    @mali muso: Fantastic! With a new eight month old in our house, I recall my wife’s energy in month eight and a mere walk around the block was a struggle. So, kudos and good luck with your own big day!

  279. 279.

    Elizabelle

    Both Clintons have long-practiced, noncommittal listening faces on

    And some in the audience applaud.

  283. 283.

    psycholinguist

    now he’s trotting his women out. and sniffing like a cokehead after each sentence. And doesn’t address the question. And his plants give him some applause.

  285. 285.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    As always, my feed is 3 or 4 minutes behind live feed, so my comments may seem languid. But as I post, I’m commenting on whatever I just saw/heard.

    And he has sniffed loudly about 75 times so far.

  291. 291.

    JGabriel

    “I think it’s disgraceful to go after my actions captured on video 11 years ago . Now let’s go after Bill Clinton’s unproven alleged actions 20 – 40 years ago!”

  293. 293.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    I trust her instincts, so it’s interesting that she decided not to respond directly to Bill Clinton nonsense, or the attempt to make something of who she was appointed to defend as a public defender. Just ignored it. Not worth responding to.

  295. 295.

    PsiFighter37

    Donald getting distracted by birther talk again – what a goddamn clown. Gets baited so, so easily.

  305. 305.

    WaterGirl

    she should be ashamed of herself. and the audience applauds! oh my god, what is wrong with these people?

  306. 306.

    Keith P.

    Jeez, this is a bizarre dumping of every grievance that got crammed into his head.
    Telling Hillary to her face that if he wins, he’s investigating her with a special prosecutor. Banana republic time! Wow

  314. 314.

    misterpuff

    “Going High” is luring The Donald to become Drivel Donald. He can not talk policy, only bullshit CT shit.

  315. 315.

    Adam L Silverman

    And he goes full Banana Republican with “if I win I will instruct my Attorney General to appoint a Special Prosecutor to go after you”.

  316. 316.

    Soylent Green

    The only thing he knows how to do is repeat his rally bullshit, and doesn’t understand that this is not that audience.

  318. 318.

    PsiFighter37

    He’s basically telling Hillary he’s going to jail her. That’s not going to be a winner…

  326. 326.

    TriassicSands

    Trump: Bill Clinton is horrible;[sniff] Hillary is horrible;[sniff] I respect women; [sniff] Even the dogs and pigs; [sniff] I even respect the fat ones who are disgusting; [sniff] I respect everyone, even the contractors I stiffed and cheated; [sniff] Hillary owes everyone an apology. Her commercials are vicious. [sniff] Hillary is a cheater. [sniff] Rigged elections. If I’m elected, my entire administration is going to be one yuuuuge investigation of you and your emails. [sniff] [sniff] [sniff] [sniff] [sniff] [sniff] [sniff] [sniff]

  331. 331.

    Elizabelle

    Trump threatening Hillary with a special prosecutor.

    Projection, projection, projection.

  336. 336.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Jesus, who even remembers who Deborah Wasserman Schultz is? He has no idea of the audience.

  339. 339.

    debit

    I just can’t get the image out of my head of him furiously masturbating while repeating the mantra of “Special Prosecutor! Special Prosecutor!”

    And undecided, my ass.

  346. 346.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Oh Jesus fuck, this is amazeballs. He is losing it in front of God and everyone.

  349. 349.

    lamh36

    Yes!

    If there is one thing I’ve learned in interviews and when confronted by a bully.

    LOOK THEM STRAIGHT IN THE EYE!

    They will wither everytime….it’s ALOT harder to look someone in the eye for NORMAL folks and spew as much bullshit

    @ScottFeinberg 29s29 seconds ago
    Love that she’s not breaking eye-contact with him. He will cower.

  351. 351.

    ? Martin

    My wife does not follow national politics and this stuff like I do. She’s very engaged in local stuff, but not national. She thinks he’s insane. He’s talking about all of these things that she’s never heard of, that make no sense to her, that as far as she can tell have nothing to do with anything. “Who the hell is Sidney Blumenthal?”. It sounds like a firehose of conspiracy theories to her.

    I imagine that’s playing out across tens of millions of households around the country.

  353. 353.

    Suzanne

    Anyone who is undecided at this point is a total fucking moron and I have no idea why these people get any access to candidates. Bye Felicia.

    Le sigh.

  354. 354.

    scav

    The audience is also probably hoping to be present at the historic fist-fight — they’ll dine out on that for months.

  356. 356.

    CZanne

    Jesus fucking wept. How can anyone not see what a bloody Chernobyl he is? No filter, no attention span, nothing but conspiracy theories.

  361. 361.

    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)

    Decompensation in progress on live TV. Insufficient administration of benzzzodyazzzepeens.

  363. 363.

    Elizabelle

    Sick of the fucking emails.

    Can we get to some actual issues a president would have to deal with?

    And yeah, the audience seems seeded with Trump fans. Sad!

  364. 364.

    Lizzy L

    Please, if you’re watching, give those of us who aren’t some crumbs. What is the audience doing? What question did the moderator ask?

  365. 365.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Ceci n’est pas mon nym: A tech who worked for the company that handled the server (as in the offsite component), disregarded instructions about preserving the data on them when moving to newer upgrades, used a data cleaning program called bleachbit as the data cleaning software.

  381. 381.

    gogol's wife

    So I’m getting from this that he’s making a terrible impression but the audience is with him?

  383. 383.

    Keith G

    She is doing great. I do not like the “There is no evidence….” formulation. I do not know how else that can be said, but those words have been used by a lot of weasels trying to dodge consequences.

  385. 385.

    psycholinguist

    Hillary reaches back, back, back… and kapow!! Batman Robin style. Trump’s orange face now has red handprint, and hand appears to be larger than his own.

  388. 388.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    DON’T TAKE THE BAIT HILLARY DON’T TAKE HIS BAIT MAKE THE MODERATORS DO THEIR JOB

  390. 390.

    Corner Stone

    She just walked right in front of Donald. Fuck you, you fucking wannabe bully punk bitch!

  391. 391.

    lamh36

    I love seeing journos critiquing HRC on her debating skills now with DJT all over the place…
    #debates

  397. 397.

    Adam L Silverman

    @JGabriel: And that’s not counting VP Cheney claiming he was a 4th, and independent, branch of government and that his office wasn’t subject to the Federal laws and regulations pertaining to archiving official materials.

  399. 399.

    WaterGirl

    I think Trump actually did something he said he would.

    He’s on Hillary like a bitch.

  402. 402.

    David ?▶️Hillary/Harley Quinn 2016▶️? Koch

    Jeffrey Goldberg ‏@JeffreyGoldberg

    What a baby this man is.
    32 retweets 102 likes

    Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp 2m2 minutes ago

    Trump is actually melting down
    102 retweets 245 likes

    Gabriel Sherman ‏@gabrielsherman 2m2 minutes ago

    HE IS MELTING DOWN
    51 retweets 93 likes

    Daniel Drezner ‏@dandrezner 1m1 minute ago

    A five-year old would have demonstrated greater self-control than Trump in that exchange with the moderators.

    0 retweets 0 likes

    Ruth Marcus ‏@RuthMarcus 2m2 minutes ago

    Trump is imploding. He would have been better off not turning up tonight.

    3 retweets 4 likes

  403. 403.

    lamh36

    He’s too fucking close to her ya’ll.

    ‏@richardwolffedc 40s40 seconds ago
    Step away from her, Mr Trump. Please step away. #debate

  404. 404.

    Run, Lillian!

    LOL Josh Marshall: 9:27 PM: At this point, Trump is basically running through the Breitbart table of contents.

  405. 405.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    @gogol’s wife: Sounds like about a third of it, or less, who cheered for him. When she got a big cheer it sounded like more people. It’s only been twice for him, and once for her. So far.

  406. 406.

    Bobby Thomson

    Harry Enten is in full bothsidesdoit mode. Buttmunch.

    In all the presidential debates I’ve watched, I have never seen any debate come close to these first 20 minutes. After watching this, it’s pretty obvious why these two are the most disliked presidential nominees in modern history.

  412. 412.

    randy khan

    Now a Gish Gallop on Obamacare rate increases, although he stops quoting actual numbers.

    And his proposal is the dumb Republican proposal to eliminate “state lines.” Not to mention Canadians coming to the U.S. for all of their operations.

  414. 414.

    Mary G

    She is talking to the questioner, who hates Obamacare for being expensive. She agrees it needs fixing but not repeal and replace as he does.

  420. 420.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    Uh Canadians don’t think their health care is a disaster otherwise you would see hospitals on the border.

  425. 425.

    CZanne

    That creeping, standing behind her when she’s speaking — that is utter misogynist bullshit. Men do that when they want to dominate and intimidate. The mods really need to tell him to get in his own damn corner.

  426. 426.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    Seriously, his fucking sniffing is making me fucking crazy.

  427. 427.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @debbie:

    YES. Jeebus yes, they have to be able to do that if they’re timing the answers. Cut him off.

  429. 429.

    TriassicSands

    @Mandalay:

    Well, we all knew the moderators would be aligned against D-bag. The poor man — everyone is against him, but he’s not paranoid.

  430. 430.

    Corner Stone

    My plans. They are so good. So much competition. The plans are so good, believe me.

  434. 434.

    mali muso

    @rikyrah: and @BellyCat: Aww, thanks! I’m just lucky that I’ve been feeling really healthy so far during this pregnancy. Getting out and doing something productive for the campaign is rewarding for the spirit. Besides, it will give me some good stories to tell baby someday. :)

    Speaking of babies…from the comments here and on Twitter, it sounds like one came to the debate.

  435. 435.

    SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch

    @CZanne:

    That creeping, standing behind her when she’s speaking — that is utter misogynist bullshit.

    But so useful for Alex Baldwin!

  440. 440.

    PsiFighter37

    Anderson is really challenging Donald, and he just throws out random shit he remembers hearing. “Block grant” – I bet he doesn’t even know what it is.

    Now he got a question from a Muslim…he’s going to step on a landmine…

  441. 441.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    I think one of his sentence fragments was that insurance was just about to fix itself before ACA was passed and it was all going to get super-cheap and “pre-existing condition” exclusions would go away and ponies and unicorns.

  445. 445.

    Bill E Pilgrim

    So the lesson that he took from the first debate is that he was too nice. Amazing.

  453. 453.

    No One You Know

    Are you going to have mandated coverage? Block grants for people who can’t afford insurance, because competition will fix that, once states can’t keep out the companies? Is that what he said?

    How does that even work?

  454. 454.

    Mr Stagger Lee

    How about White people report problems when they see their militia or White Nationalists about do an outrage?

  456. 456.

    TS

    @CZanne:

    That creeping, standing behind her when she’s speaking — that is utter misogynist bullshit. Men do that when they want to dominate and intimidate. The mods really need to tell him to get in his own damn corner.

    No idea why they have not done this already – he is truly revolting in how he treats women – just another example to add to the list

  458. 458.

    Soprano2

    How can anyone listening to this shitshow believe Donald Trump is suited to any elected office? I wouldn’t trust him to be dog catcher!!

  461. 461.

    piratedan

    well, I am disheartened… if we’re depending upon our fellow Americans to decipher this generic politcal gibberish buzzword bingo, well, then they’re better folks than I because I had have no idea on what these plans are and how they’re going to be implemented.

  469. 469.

    Bobby Thomson

    Q: What will you do to protect me from you and your supporters Islamophobia?

    A: Islamophobia is a shame, but let’s not lose sight of the real problem, which is you fucking Muslims.

  470. 470.

    Mary G

    The Muslim woman asked how people like her can live freely without being demonized. Trump says Muslims need to turn people in, like they are all hiding ISIS under the beds.

  471. 471.

    ThresherK (GPad)

    I would like someone in a town hall to ask about homegrown terrorism. Ain’t gonna happen.

    Please talk more to the questioner about naming radical Islamic terrism, Donald.

  473. 473.

    psycholinguist

    holy shit. Say the NAME SAY RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST!!!!!!
    To the lady who just said she’s getting flack for being a Muslim.

  474. 474.

    TriassicSands

    @Mr Stagger Lee:

    I live near the Canadian border and have asked many Canadians about their health care system. Yes, if you have a condition and want elective surgery, you will have a wait. Not, if you have a critical situation. But, if you have a critical situation, you don’t have to worry about whether or not it will bankrupt you. You’ll be cared for. Not so in the US.

    Rich Canadians who want an elective procedure may travel to the US to eliminate the wait. That isn’t an indictment of the Canadian system, but of our own system. American citizens in need of life-saving treatments may die because they can’t afford it, while the operating room may be servicing a rich person from another country.

  477. 477.

    Ceci n'est pas mon nym

    I give up. Good night folks. I guess I’ll read about any happy shoulder shimmies in the morning.

  478. 478.

    jl

    Phoned banked and did some campaign office scut work for Dems earlier this weekend. I figure I put in my time. I’ll catch this shitshow in transcripts and tapes later.

    I think I got a good capsule analysis of what was in the latest Wikileaks HRC death torpedo destroy-her attack. Which is ‘eh, not much there, pretty much what you’d expect her to say. Actually some good signs of things progressives can work with.’ I was getting pretty desperate so I clicked on a Cenk Uygur clip that showed up when I was youtubing. If noted HRC-hater Uygur thinks it’s basically ‘meh’, looks like Wikileaks has got nothing.

    So, I am sitting this out with confidence that Trump will proceed to dig his sorry ass even deeper into the ground.

  483. 483.

    D58826

    Rather than fact checking for lies it would be easier to fact check for the truth. Should not take long.

  485. 485.

    Mandalay

    Martha Raddatz sounds like she’s already had a bellyful of Trump’s whining and question dodging.

  488. 488.

    the Conster, la Citoyenne

    @Mandalay:

    Martha Raddatz has seen enough. She’s going to have to take control, because Anderson Cooper is useless.

  492. 492.

    Elizabelle

    Donald Trump makes it so obvious.

    He is running for president of the stupids. And the conspiracy whackjobs.

    It’s a sad and nasty planet. With a limited vocabulary, but lots of buzz words.

  494. 494.

    TriassicSands

    Jeebus, it is so hard watching and listening to Trump. He makes me physically ill.

  495. 495.

    Elizabelle

    Interesting to bring up Lincoln as an example of using different arguments with different people.

    Questions are very right wing world biased, but HRC is handling them well.

  496. 496.

    Chris

    @lamh36:

    I got yelled at while canvassing yesterday by a proud Republican who, judging by his skin tone and strong accent, will be one ofthe first deported as a terrorism suspect, if his party wins.

    It really is true that people are the same regardless of ethnic and sectarian identity. Unfortunately, that goes with the bad as well as the good. Every village has its idiot.

  501. 501.

    No One You Know

    We have the highest tax rate in the world. But Trump will fix it, bigly. For corporations.

  503. 503.

    No One You Know

    It’s just amazing how much Trump knows about Soros’s and Buffett’s taxes, and Hillary’s donors, too. Although how carried interest enabled ISIS to expand in “32 countries” eludes me.

  504. 504.

    No One You Know

    On the Aleppo question, the line in the sand has morphed into nuclear weapons and ISIS has Libyan oil. Iran and Russia…”your two minutes are up.”

    “Mr. Trump, let me remind you of the question.” Martha sounds really annoyed.

  505. 505.

    Ruckus

    @TriassicSands:
    The VA works the same way. Your need is immediate? You get immediate help. Not immediate? Wait your turn, we’ll fit you in when we can. It seems bad but it isn’t, just makes people who think they should always go to the head of the line mad because it shows them that they aren’t special at all.

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