Fmr. Republican congressman @DavidJollyFL was once anti-Obamacare… until he found himself unemployed with a pre-existing condition. WATCH: pic.twitter.com/jTfgqJH3Vc
— The Last Word (@TheLastWord) June 27, 2017
Because I am not a naturally nice person myself, I fear a lot of the “If Trumpcare passes, here’s a person who will suffer and probably die” narratives simply don’t work on Republican voters. Too many people, even the people you know and sometimes love, look at those sad tales and think: Here’s a worthless meatbag gobbling up my tax dollars, and I’ll never get so much as a THANKS SUCKER in return. Yes, that’s a terrible and selfish response, but spoiler: A great many people are terrible and selfish, when they’re sure nobody’s watching!
On the other hand, those sad narratives are for sure energizing for the rest of us, those who possess the basics of human empathy (even if it took us years of grim practice to learn). Just be sure you know your audience. Some people want to save the baby ducks. Others just want not to lose their own personal jobs / relatives / lives — and if they can be convinced saving the baby ducks is what it takes, they’ll be out there collecting armloads of fluffy little peepers…
Republicans are going to try to pass a bill that raises the number of uninsured by 15 million in a *year* without any real debate or input.
— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) June 26, 2017
In an ELECTION YEAR! And they're gonna do it because they think SuperPAC$ + clustering/gerrymandering + tribal loyalty insulate them https://t.co/OLobeyWwqs
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 26, 2017
I know we all sorta think, with some justification, that Republicans are immune to political gravity but this bill is a fucking suicide pact https://t.co/srONNiy66n
— slackbot (@pareene) June 26, 2017
Mr. Charles P. Pierce:
… Unless there’s a procedural snag of which I’m not aware, I don’t know why the Senate majority wouldn’t punt this until August, and do so at the last minute. The accelerated schedule is insane; even Republican senators are complaining about it. It would give them more time to sabotage the Affordable Care Act, which Sean Spicer threatened to do in today’s audio-only daily briefing. (Jesus, people. Just turn the cameras on and see what happens.) It would give them another month to make the cosmetic changes necessary for the “dissenters” to come around. It would give them the fig leaf of a “process” they could cite.
Of course, it also would give the opposition a month to increase its already formidable momentum. Tough call for McConnell, but that’s why he gets the big money.
McConnell needs to ram this monster through while he can, before enough
sheep GOP senators get spooked at the thought of having to defend their vote to their voters.
Asked @LindseyGrahamSC about the relative "meanness" of Senate healthcare bill- he responds w/ a warning to colleagues: pic.twitter.com/BDoVJ7adz2
— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) June 26, 2017
Apart from facing down the haters, what’s on the agenda for the day?
@rikyrah: Good morning.
Ron Johnson is a No: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ron-johnson-oppose-senate-obamacare-repeal
Good morning, everyone. Are we winning yet?
This is their karma for bitching about Hillary’s press conferences.
Oh, this bill will pass. Susan Collins and the rest of the moderates will wring their hands about how their consciences are torn by the thought of millions losing their insurance. And then she and they will vote for it because nobody SHE knows will suffer because of it.
@Derelict: It’s a likely outcome, but people are fighting, so let’s try not to discourage them.
Because only those people will die make it a feature, not a bug
2010: Democrats lose control of Congress for making healthcare available to 20+ million people.
2018: Republicans keep control of Congress for taking healthcare insurance away from 22+ million people?
@Quinerly: Thank dog. I hope he stays a no.
@Derelict: Please don’t be such a surrender monkey. It’s very possible some of the GOP senators are aware voting for it could endanger THEIR careers.
#No Eeyores, people. Stop this shit.
The Guardian is on Jay Sekulow’s trail: Trump lawyer’s firm steered millions in donations to family members, files show
There’s more, lot’s more:
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Trump just posted a real strange picture of his feet (photo)
Jolly is our local “reasonable Republican.” Republican-turned-Democrat Charlie Crist turned him out of his seat. In my most Pollyanna-ish vision of the future, a Trump-decimated Republican Party would arise from the ashes with folks like Jolly.
@OzarkHillbilly: Like client, like attorney.
@Derelict: There’s at least five solid no’s this minute, if you add Johnson. It’s looking more and more like a burning tire around the GOP neck. Quit doing the enemy’s work for them.
@Betty Cracker: Oh, I wondered what happened to Charlie. That’s why he wasn’t at the Pride Parade last week.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Innocent people always contact their defense team, every day, to start the morning – amirite
I’m out of here. If you guys want to wallow in cynicism while we still have time before the Senate vote, have at it. I have no appetite for this.
Jesus, even David Fucking Brooks has woken up: The G.O.P. Rejects Conservatism
The “moderate” Senators and others are going to have no political cover. They might not give a flip about their human constituents, but they are into self-preservation. Their Republican whisperer is distancing himself from this bill.
Anne, I have to strongly disagree with this ^^^!
My experience is the exact opposite. Most, and I mean most people, want to do the right thing, and on their own will usually do it. It is when they are in a group of people that the worst seems to come out. I am as cynical as anyone, and have a very low opinion of the intelligence and empathy levels of the average human being, but normally in a face to face contact people will show kindness and extend charity.
Don’t ask me why they vote Republican though, because I am a Canadian socialist and could not conceive of supporting anyone who tries to identify as a centrist or moderate.
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
New meaning for toe cheese. I’m now very disgusted with myself.
Who needs a gold mine when there are Christians?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Wittes is Comey’s sidekick. He’s obviously signaling something BIG is about to explode on collusion.
Which would explain Rod Rosenstein’s odd statement 12 days ago calling on the public not to believe pending articles based on foreign intelligence services, the sudden recall of the Russian Ambassador, Trump’s flacks switching from “there’s no collusion” to “collusion wouldn’t be bad”, and now Trump openly denying there are any tapes.
I don’t think it will be covered like that locally. They’ll go to health care facilities- providers. We have a local daily newspaper and I know that’s what they’ll do. The hospital will be harmed and so will the two walk-in clinics. As many people as are on Medicaid here I think it closes the walk-in clinics. They only popped up since Medicaid expansion. It’s shaken out here to be that people with private insurance go to the medical group and people with Medicaid go to one of the two clinics. I know some of the people with Medicaid don’t go to the medical group because they can’t- they owe the medical group money from before they had Medicaid.
I’ve been calling my Senator but I don’t feel sorry for the adults who will lose care. They had this. It wasn’t a theory. Obama expanded Medicaid. They either voted for Trump or didn’t care enough to vote, because Trump took 70% in this county and now they will lose it. If “Trump that Bitch” and “lock her up” was more important to them than care for their chronic heart disease and high blood pressure and diabetes and all the rest, then no one can help them.
I do feel sorry for their children. Their parents make 10 dollars and hour and can’t afford health care and that’s not the fault of their children. Schools will lose a lot under this. Schools get Medicaid funding because schools are mandated to provide services for children with disabilities who need them. Trump was already cutting a billion from public schools. This is another cut.
Look, I’m the biggest Eeyore there is on this, and even *I’ve* dropped the act and have converted to full battle mode. Right now the bill is stalled. Stalled doesn’t mean “dead” as we learned with the House, but it does mean that Senators are feeling the heat in a serious way, enough to blunt McConnell’s momentum. And who knows? Maybe one or two of the Monster Caucus is actually getting queasy at the idea of mass murder directed at their *own f*cking consitutents*.
So bring blowtorches and turn up the heat in a BIG way. I know I’m calling Schumer and Gillibrand today to thank them for fighting this battle.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Of course there is. Not one person on Dolt45’s team that doesn’t have a bad story about them. surrounded by a bunch of lowlife jackals.?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@NobodySpecial: Who do you have as the 5?
I’ve got Heller, Johnson, Baby Doc, and Collins
Also, and I feel like I can say this because I talk to so many of them- they were pretty damn cavalier about holding onto Medicaid. This “I’m okay, I’m on the Buckeye” and then not bothering to vote has to stop. It was like pulling fucking teeth getting “the Buckeye” – Christ almighty the fight went on for 6 years. They could, you know, join in fighting every once in a while.
Common sense wins the day in court: The St. Louis Zoo is no place to carry guns, a judge has ruled..
15 MILLION NEXT YEAR!!
4 MILLION that have EMPLOYER PROVIDED HEALTHCARE!!!!
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@rikyrah: Hello, neighbor
@rikyrah: But you’re leaving out the tax cuts. You’re so biased.
@OzarkHillbilly: So how is the next Harambe supposed to defined itself?
Also, and I know this is a rant, but Medicaid is single payer. I mean it’s state and federal but it’s single payer government health insurance to them. I talk to them. They love it. If you had crap insurance Medicaid is much better insurance.
Yet. They didn’t vote to save it in Ohio. So we better come up with another excuse because I’m pretty sure that’s not Hillary Clinton’s fault. She shouldn’t have to explain their own godammned health care program to them. Do they have some role in this, or do they just get to go to rallies and scream at people?
@Kay: If people want Democratic values and Democratic results, they need to support Democrats. It’s as simple as that.
@Kay: It’s always Hillary Clinton’s fault.
@Kay: Yeah. I live in New York State, which has vowed to fight Trumpcare with every iota of its being, and *I* didn’t take keeping Medicaid for granted. In fact, I thought I was guaranteed to lose it when Trump was elected, which would doom me to slow, painful death.
And I voted like my life depended on it. Because it did. Then spent the rest of the night lamenting at how fucking stupid and *venal* the people of this country really are, especially all those Real Amurican Country Sparrows everyone’s been harping on about.
@Elizabelle: Stay. This place needs optimists, badly. Whether on this issue, or the “all is lost, Trump hasn’t been tried, convicted, and tossed in jail yet” crowd, there are far too many negative predictions made here. The present is bad enough.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: next these unelected judges will say you can’t bring an assault weapon to the Super Bowl.
@Baud: That the pathetic MSM just sits there and passively obeys is breathtaking. You know they wouldn’t if a Democratic administration tried to keep the cameras off, and that alone would lead the news every night. Instead the stenographers of the press corpse let Scary Spice push them around. My contempt bucket is empty, it gets dipped into so much.
Marco Rubio is such a chickenshit bastard. He’s avoiding constituents like the plague, but to make it look like he’s getting input on the AHCA from someone other than donors, he’s meeting in DC with aides from the wingnut governor and wingnut state legislators. Nice boondoggle all around. I’ll still call the craven worm today, as I do every weekday. It’s getting harder and harder to keep the contempt out of my voice, but I’ll try.
@satby: To be fair, if President Hillary had tried it, half this blog would be attacking her and taking the media’s side. It would be even worse at the less desirable places on the Internet. The Dems can’t count on people having their backs when they act tough.
@OzarkHillbilly: Cue up the “But they didn’t do anything illegal ” soundtrack.
I can’t link on this but in today’s Post and Courier there’s a quote from Lindsey Graham saying that 15 million people are losing their insurance because they no longer have to pay a fine and they choose to be without insurance, which is a bad decision he doesn’t agree with, but their decision nonetheless. They really have nothing but contempt for us, don’t they? These bastards have broken something in my heart because I can feel nothing but hatred for them.
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Paul says he’s a no. I’m taking it at face value because he loses nothing if the bill goes down in flames. McConnell doesn’t like him and doesn’t support him, so he loses nothing from opposing it on his Aqua Velva cred.
Once again, a conservative sees that flash on the road to Damascus BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO HIM. It just seems that unless they have personal experience with something, they want to deny it to others or don’t see the need for it (insert your preferred helpful life-saving it here) period. Then you hear KA’s oh so clueless ‘just get a job’ w/o a thought given to the fact that most folks on Medicaid are children and folks in nursing homes.
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
I don’t remember Schindler being all that reliable. Did I miss something?
@Kristine: And remember, a lot of folks on Medicaid have jobs. Their employers are just too chintzy to insure them, or are small businesses that can’t afford to.
“Just get a job” is the sort of stupid, venal response that fell out of favor in the Depression and should have stayed out of favor, but old lies never die, they just hibernate.
@debbie: I don’t remember Twitter as a whole being all that reliable, but people still quote it.
@Baud: I thought it was Obama’s fault.
@Kay: I just hope Portman doesn’t get bought off on some nonsense about the opioid epidemic . I have a stepson with issues there. I love him and hope he does well, but his situation is based on bad choices he made. My autistic grand-daughter didn’t make bad choices. My elderly dad’s nurse’s aide son with MS didn’t make bad choices. I didn’t make bad choices with my pre-existing condition. We are all going to be totally screwed if this bill goes through. And one of my two Senators doesn’t give a rats ass if a huge proportion of his constituents get screwed. Democracy isn’t supposed to work this way.
Tell it again.
The expansion of Medicaid was with THE WORKING POOR.
Emphasis on WORKING.
@rikyrah: Yeah. My step kids work their butts off but they get their insurance through medicaid.
Nice polite racists don’t get this will be the end of their employer provided insurance.
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Ha ha. I don’t think that is going to pass the Snopes test.
Not me, I laced my comments with all the contempt I could cram into them. Told Blunt he and his were morally bankrupt. Screw that “Being nice so they will listen to me nonsense” He has never listened to me before, he isn’t going to this time either, so I may as well reduce my blood pressure a little by venting.
I hope he doesn’t get bought off too, but I do think the opiate thing is a public health issue so I want it treated as such. While it is true Ohio Republicans only cared about it when it became white and middle class, addicts still need treatment because if they don’t get it, it cycles down and they lose their kids, go to jail or prison, and thus everyone pays for untreated the same as treating.
I would just like to noted by political scientists that they got single payer health care and they didn’t get it from Donald Trump and they just eagerly voted to take it away—from themselves. You and I know goddamned well that Hillary Clinton, who was partly responsible for getting lower income children covered, would not have cut Medicaid. So much for political pay back on expanding health care to the working poor. They must be voting on something else, huh?
Making America grate again.
Erin Burnett had a segment about white 5 year old girl, born premature, with on going health problems that her family uses Medicaid to cover.
Blonde haired family. Cute kid. Distraught mother.
Hope it had an impact on people.
Also wish they would point out 2/3 of Medicaid expenses goes for senior care.
@Kay: Marx was wrong
@OzarkHillbilly: That beat the 27% rule. Impressive.
@OzarkHillbilly: A stinging indictment of the American, Israeli, and Russian education systems.
@debbie: No, you didn’t miss something.
This is how the country will really collapse. The grifter sector will outnumber the non-grifter sector and there won’t be anybody left to steal from.
This. Told Pat Toomey’s lackeys that he’s a lying, murdering piece of scum. That I will work my heart out to toss his vile behind out of office. Fuck comity.
I liked that Jon Favreau tweet yesterday about leave the predictions to the pundits. Work NOW on fighting this thing.
On another topic, I’m not a disciple of Masha Gessen, but she did an excellent analysis of Stone’s Putin interviews yesterday in the NYT.
Last night while doing the crossword and listening to MSNBC (they don’t call me Mr. Excitement for nothing), I had a disconcerting and disorienting feeling that this can’t be reality. Do any of you, from time to time after observing this political freak show, feel like you have fallen in a rabbit’s hole?
Every. Single. Day.
In other grifter news, I watched a documentary about Herbalife. It was fading as a giant rip-off until they found a new market- recent Latino immigrants.
Madeline Albright peddles it. I mean, my God, Isn’t she embarrassed? She had to take that job? It was impossible for her to turn down the position? She has to take 2000 dollars from poor people?
@Mustang Bobby: Normal Congressional election year: 95+% of incumbents get re-elected.
2018: Wave election that breaks the model, or more of the same?
The foundation we work on now will have a lot to do with how things turn out next year. But even next year isn’t the end of the story, of course. The 2017 elections matter more than usual this time, also too. Every contest matters. We have to fight them every single day.
@gene108: Trailer trash, meth heads, high school dropouts, atheists, etc etc etc. No matter what the situation, they are those people because bad things never happen to good people like us and if they do well, it must be God’s will.
@Kay: Mary Taylor hopes the Ohio response to the opioid epidemic only covers her kids. Two rich entitled kids. So much tax savings.
@OzarkHillbilly: Someone took it personally when a monkey threw feces at him.
@OzarkHillbilly: I’m civil with the aides/interns I reach on the phone (or whomever, if anyone, is responsible for tallying voice mail responses) on the same principle that I treat customer service reps at evil corporations like human beings worthy of basic courtesy. Now, if I ever happen to run into Marco Rubio himself…
and the really ironic thing is that a lot of folks making judgemental statements like that fall into the same categories.
@Baud: I also detected a hint of incivility. Oh the humanity.
@satby: It’s also the Gambler’s Fallacy, misinterpreting random variation for the Will of God.
African Americans Have Lost Untold Acres of Land Over the Last Century……”It was almost as if the earth was opening up and swallowing black farmer:” https://www.thenation.com/article/african-americans-have-lost-acres/
Big cyber attack underway in Ukraine. I will be posting on cyber attacks later this morning. At the moment, I think my modem is dying. So might be a while.
@MJS: If you counter the narrative of doom and gloomers prepared to get attacked personally. Has happened to me more than once.
I’m over it. In this economy they could find a job that doesn’t involve aiding and abetting in the deaths of thousands and the immiserating of millions. Every single one of those aides are there because they want to be and they believe in what they are doing.
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Yeah, I read that one from last week, geez time’s fluid under this administration. Anyway, if that was meant to control and stop the incriminating tweeting it didn’t help. I’m imagining that every morning some poor associate of his lawyers is opening Twitler’s Twitter with the “what fresh hell is this?” that we all have lately.
O. Felix Culpa
Silly rabbit, that rule is for Americans.
@OzarkHillbilly: Well, at best, building up their resumes. “Look, here’s proof that I’ll do whatever the boss says.”
@OzarkHillbilly: sweet disco jesus, how much cocaine do these people do anyway? That’s serious burn rate on multiple sources of tax free cash.
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: I’ve lost track of Trump’s self-incriminating statements. There’s a need for a time-line and a summary.
@Baud: You are so right. Dems can never ever be good enough and we need to change that. The spinless Dem meme makes me crrazy. Dems had courage to vote for ACA knowing they would lose seat and at least one’s life was threatened (mine) by Right to Life. That’s just one reason why I hate Slanders so much. So quick to judge Dems and ACA without putting anything on the line. Effer.
@Kay: A lot of people have been insulated from their own stupidity because of the investments mostly by Democrats (FDR and LBJ) made in the post Depression and the post WWII era. You can’t draw on your bank balance forever. BTW the stupid is pretty strong in the crunchy types that decry Monsanto and have stickers for BS on their car too.
@MattF: I think they are all heart and soul true believers.
There’s been a lot of discussion lately about how people behave in large disasters, in which the normal systems of society and government break down. There’s a popular assumption that most people turn into wild, violent barbarians in such a situation and society becomes a war of all against all. It’s not true–most of the time, the first instinct of most people in a disaster situation is to become helpful and cooperative.
What causes awful behavior is when somebody else, usually someone with money or power, believes they’re going to be dealing with barbarians and reacts in fear. Or when short-sighted or evil leaders tell them to.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Yes, it will fail first time threw because they were “No” and then sekret compromise and then it will speed right threw like the House. That way all the unsafe Republicans can tell their voters “I was a NO, see, it was the other guys so vote me in to maintain their majority”
Gin & Tonic
@Cheryl Rofer: Also, a Ukrainian military intelligence colonel was killed by a car bomb this morning in Kyiv.
@beth: Heh. He was roundly bold at the Riverdogs game a couple of Saturdays ago. I can say for certain at least two of those boos were from me and the hubby because Lindsay = soulless shitbag.
So much winning.
I know…it’s ridiculous..
How about being a human being with PHUCKING EMAPTHY!!
@Kathleen: Are you going to the rally in Piatt Park tonight? I’m hoping to get there by six. I’ll be holding a “Don’t Block Grant Medicaid” sign (I already have it, else I would make one saying something about No Caps).
@OzarkHillbilly: T met Modi yesterday, that’s why. If he were to meet Nawaz Sharif, he would go back on that pledge in a NY minute. There is no there, there
@OzarkHillbilly: As a former insurance company flack, I have to believe it’s possible for Death Star employees to grow a conscience. ;-)
@Kathleen: Liberals, in general, really, really don’t like the feeling that they’re just partisan courtier types, cheering for their team. They want to believe that they’re people of principle who are capable of criticizing their own leaders and keeping them focused on what’s important. But it makes it difficult to get them all to cooperate, or to support whatever compromise can actually become legislation.
@rikyrah: Empathy is, apparently, a pre-existing condition.
I have been pointing this out for awhile now..
the TRUE Poster Child for Medicaid should be a White Grandma and Grandpa.
I don’t get how nursing home chains aren’t calling the contact numbers of their patients and telling them…
@OzarkHillbilly: At least some of those young people answering the phones are volunteers, which is even worse. They are not dependent on the job to make their rent, it is completely optional for them.
Well, maybe they are learning something from all of our calls. Education researchers can tell you how many times a new concept has to be introduced to various categories of students before it is absorbed. They are getting a lot of repetition from me alone.
As far as the civility/tone question, I ask myself, Do I think the Tea Partiers were low-key or rabid?
Iowa Old Lady
@Cheryl Rofer: Perhaps it’s the 400 pound guy in his basement?
@rikyrah: Apparently, ‘senior’ living is a hotbed of Trumpism. My former neighbor (a retired municipal bond attorney who was an avid Clinton fan) called me several weeks ago and fumed about his new neighbors.
yep. and I wanna wake up from the nightmare.
@Betty Cracker: I have no delusions but it would be nice to think I can goose them in the right direction.
how about stolen…stolen and more stolen…
@Oldgold: Just on days ending in ‘y.’
It’s something I want to scream from the rooftops, especially at the people who hated the ACA because it wasn’t single-payer. Medicaid is our oldest comprehensive single-payer program, but they won’t lift a finger to save it.
@OzarkHillbilly: Another thing I sometimes do toward the end of my calls is talk about how important it is to be intellectually and spiritually courageous and consider new ideas, even if it is difficult.
I tell them I hope they can have the strength to reconsider what they are doing, working where they are, in regard to their value system. I say, I don’t think a nice person like you wants people to die before their time (I often quote the 2009 Harvard study that estimated
40,000 Americans died each year as a result of lacking coverage).
I do this because over the years I have determined that many people benefit from extremely explicit teaching. You have to spell out exactly what you are trying to teach them and why.
It may or may not do any good but I am at the point where I want to have my own fun with these calls. Ask my husband, he will tell you I revel in being obnoxious.
Problem isn’t just 22m uninsured. It’s the vision of a system where average insurance has a $6000 deductible & bad chronic illness coverage.
— Atul Gawande (@Atul_Gawande) June 27, 2017
Remember: The health care bill isn’t over until the bill is dead. If we raise our voices together, we can win this fight — (202) 224-3121.
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) June 26, 2017
Here’s a truth bomb from @NBCFirstRead https://t.co/a03CppoJVl pic.twitter.com/Ykx5DXCB2x
— Bradd Jaffy (@BraddJaffy) June 27, 2017
I honestly haven’t heard 1 decent argument in favor of Trumpcare.
We need to get millionaires their tax breaks now isn’t even an argument.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) June 27, 2017
I was looking forward to your response.
One reason Republicans are so eager to undo Obamacare? Many view it as their last chance to wipe out its tax hikes.https://t.co/3Jj91JBTWF
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) June 27, 2017
I’m unfamiliar with the economic theory that says tax cuts for billionaires trickle down to working people in the form of health insurance.
— Jason Kander (@JasonKander) June 26, 2017
All the cable networks on Monday night led with the 22 million uninsured, because it’s the biggest number and because it’s the “out-year” projection, which is what these reports always emphasize. But politically, the far more important number is 15 million. The CBO projects that the Senate bill would create 15 million more uninsured in 2018. That’s next year. An election year.
That is to say that 68 percent of those expected to lose their coverage are going to lose it in the bill’s first year. The Republicans are gonna throw 15 million Americans off the insurance rolls in an election year? That’s a lot of people. Divided by 435, it’s around 34,000 people per congressional district, but of course the distribution won’t be even, and there will be many districts—toss-up districts—where 60,000 or 80,000 people will stand to lose their coverage. And states where half a million will lose coverage. How’d you like to be a Republican incumbent House member or senator defending that next fall?
@Ohio Mom: Yes. I will look for you. Planning my message to Portman. now. Will be great to meet you.
@Booger: How has your trip to Davis . . . . during the hottest of hot spells?
@rikyrah: Kamala and Atul make me proud as does Preet, unlike the Avik Roys of the world who have sold their soul for $$.
Indefensible: Senate bill would allow governors to spend their state’s (reduced) Obamacare funding on whatever they want for whatever reason https://t.co/Ukr5X33Cut
— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) June 26, 2017
@Ohio Mom: I closed with Matthew 25: 42-45 because I know they are all Christianists. I said I knew they weren’t listening to my words, that maybe they would listen to Jesus’s, but they won’t. They have already justified it in their own minds and nothing Jesus ever said would matter. At least for that one fleeting moment they had to face their own hypocrisy.
1/ ICYMI: the waiver provision of the Senate bill is pretty crazy, as I explain at @voxdotcom. https://t.co/U5wWxiskIK
— Nicholas Bagley (@nicholas_bagley) June 26, 2017
@rikyrah: Republicans are strip mining the United States for short term gain — of their donors and themselves.
@Ohio Mom: It’s just a fact that mere logic doesn’t convince anyone of anything.
Well, this is fucking rich..Chaffetz thinks Congress should have an additional $2500 a month housing allowance on top of their salaries: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/339570-chaffetz-calls-for-2500-legislator-housing-stipend
@Matt McIrvin: I agree with your assessment and think that can be a positive trait (though there are certainly many liberals who are more than happy to join the. Bernie cult).
In times like thse there are also too many liberals who cling to their “must be open minded and see both sides” self image. at all costs and that is a huge problem.
Gin & Tonic
@Cheryl Rofer: This cyberattack now appears to be fairly widespread, i.e. not just against Ukraine.
@Kathleen: Some of this is baked in to being a liberal. If you have a basic faith in humanity, you’re going to look for the best in people. But there’s nothing good about these Republicans.
And, when I say stolen, I mean the following:
1. White men show up in the middle of the night with a lynch mob and tell you that you can die with your land, or leave.
2. White men, working in conjunction with the Department of Agriculture, to bankrupt the farmers (what do you think Pigford was about?)
3. Banks redlining Black farmers so that their land can be taken when foreclosed upon.
4. Falsified deeds – putting White people on the deeds owned by Black farmers.
Like I said…STOLEN STOLEN STOLEN
The Moar You Know
@Oldgold: Funny you should mention that. Yeah. I do. A lot. More like reality went bad or something, but yes. This is not the future we were supposed to have.
Or the sense to ask themselves how “safe” they really are and realize how easily and quickly it could be them. They’ve seen it happen to people in their own crowd, family friends but it doesn’t seem to sink in that they aren’t special and disaster won’t touch them.
@Thoroughly Pizzled: Precisely. Sometimes liberals have to acknowledge there is a time to fight unequivocal evil.
effective commercials here would involve some cognitively impaired old lady being removed from the home cause her Medicaid ran out and being dropped off at her MAGA hat wearing idiot son’s house and he’s scared to fucking death.
CBO: Insurance markets will *collapse* in some areas. What CBO is describing here is a classic death spiral: https://t.co/gQvXrp4gi1
Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) June 26, 2017
@Kathleen: It is a laudable impulse in general, but it can make liberals easy to gaslight, with accusations like “You just think that because you worship your hero Obama” or whatever. It’s endemic both with NPR-centrist types who constantly feel the need to give conservative ideas a fair hearing, and with “not a dime’s worth of difference” purity lefties.
comrade scotts agenda of rage
Won’t last for long. The wingnuts down the street will pass some law next session to get around this.
@rikyrah: This healthcare bill if it passes will bring a recession. Its effects are not going to be limited to the healthcare sector alone.
The Moar You Know
@Kay: See for example: Russia, Mexico, Albania, Philippines.
5. And if you are a black farmer who carries cash and are pulled over by an LEO, your cash will be confiscated and you will have no legal means of getting it back even if you are never charged with or convicted of a crime.
With liberty and justice for some.
As their health plan falters, Republican leaders reach a crossroads
06/27/17 08:00 AM—UPDATED 06/27/17 08:59 AM
By Steve Benen
To pass the regressive bill, Senate Republican leaders can lose no more than two of their own members. At least for now, the tally appears to be well above two – and the number of GOP opponents is growing, not shrinking.
And that leaves Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) with a limited number of options.
1. McConnell can hold the vote anyway. I don’t doubt that McConnell wants to pass this monstrosity, but the GOP leader isn’t delusional. If he counts heads, realizes he doesn’t have the votes, and doesn’t expect to get then, McConnell has the option of bringing his bill to the floor, watching it die, and then moving on to something else.
2. McConnell can punt. This week has been designated the make-or-break week for the Senate Republicans’ health plan, but that’s because of a self-imposed deadline. There’s no reason McConnell can’t do exactly what the GOP-led House did: pull the bill temporarily, allow for some behind-the-scenes negotiations to continue for weeks (or months), and revisit the issue at some point down the road. There’s literally nothing – substantive, procedural, etc. – that says the vote has to be this week.
3. McConnell can start throwing money around. The CBO found that the Republican plan reduces the deficit by over $300 billion in the coming years. That effectively gives Senate GOP leaders a pot of money to play with, allocating it in such a way to curry favor with his skeptical members. Indeed, McConnell could even start applying the available money to take some of the rougher edges off his far-right proposal.
The White House’s international credibility collapses in Trump era
06/27/17 10:03 AM
By Steve Benen
All of this was bizarre and sharply at odds with the evidence. But perhaps more importantly, it’s also terribly inconvenient for the GOP now that those same criticisms actually apply to a Republican president.
With support for the ACA growing, Republicans go after single payer
06/27/17 09:22 AM—UPDATED 06/27/17 09:46 AM
By Steve Benen
For the last several years, Republicans have defined themselves by their hatred for the Affordable Care Act. That, however, is quickly becoming a greater challenge: “Obamacare” is not only a successful policy, it’s also the most popular it’s ever been. Public support for the ACA is quite a bit stronger than public support for Donald Trump, congressional Republicans, or their regressive health care alternative.
And that’s led some Republicans to shift their posture a bit. Unable to win a debate over the Affordable Care Act, GOP officials have turned their attention toward a single-payer system.
Last week, for example, Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) said, “If we don’t get this done and we end up with Democratic majorities in ‘18, we’ll have single payer. That’s what we’ll be dealing with.” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) added that Congress has to pass an unpopular far-right bill, no matter what, because the alternative is single payer, “and that’s socialized medicine.”
At yesterday’s untelevised White House briefing, Press Secretary Sean Spicer seemed quite animated on the subject.
It’s a shame that White House officials struggle this badly to keep up with the basics of the debate. We know, for example, that the Affordable Care Act is neither “dying” nor “dead.” It may make Trump World feel better to believe this, but for those who still take reality seriously, the claim just isn’t true.
It’s also a shame that Republicans no longer see the fight against the ACA as one they can win, so they find it necessary to change the subject.
The Moar You Know
Been thinking. Long term ramifications. If the Senate passes and this gets signed into law, the long term effects would be to saddle blue states with even more of the poor and the financial burden of taking care of them. Over a few decades, this turns into de facto ethnic cleansing.
I don’t see how, sooner or later, one side or the other avoids leaving the Union.
@The Moar You Know: You are assuming that all the poor are of a darker hue and are ethnically uniform.
The biggest problem Democrats have faced has always been that many of the people Democrats work hard to help don’t vote. Many of those folks won’t vote no matter what you do for them. It’s a heavy burden carrying water for those who refuse to carry their own but will bitch up a storm if they find they have no water.
So I go with Enlightened Self Interest. I’m voting for things I want and I want it to helps others.
The Moar You Know
@schrodingers_cat: Not at all. I should have properly used a term more along the lines of “class cleansing”, but we don’t really have a good term for that.
@rikyrah: He doesn’t even understand the distinction between socialized health insurance and socialized medicine. Canada has socialized health insurance. The UK has socialized medicine. (And people like both systems a lot, so I don’t see what the problem is, really.)
Dick Poleman makes GOP behavior easy to understand:
Not hard – follopw the money!!!!!!!!!
Tilda Swintons Bald Cap
Republicans, turning America into a third world shithole, everyday and everyway.
So, basically, the Republicans are fucked no matter what they do. They can implement a huge tax cut for their donors and risk pissing off their voters, or piss off their voters but still get millions for their re-election campaigns.
I’m guessing that they’re going to go with their donors on the assumption that they can suppress enough votes (or get the Russians to meddle enough) to win anyway. Fuckers.
@geg6: On the few occasions I haven’t been sent to voicemail I’ve been short sweet and to the point with Toomey’s lackeys. I’ll have to up my game. If they don’t like it they can think about who and what they’re working for and reconsider.
In other news I called Gov Wolf’s office and asked him to call Toomey and explain exactly what the Senate bill will do to the people of PA.
Just called and emailed my GA Senators AGAIN about the Republican shit-show of a bill. Yesterday I dinged them on the CBO score. Today I encouraged them to not be left behind, that here’s a chance to show leadership along with Senator Collins of Maine but that the window will close rapidly as more Senators wake up and smell the coffee. The poor receptionist at Isakson’s office didn’t seem to appreciate that. Ha!
Tools for calling/emailing/etc are here:
If you’re in GA, call now. There was no waiting; phone was answered on second ring.
@Thoroughly Pizzled: I still recall the first time I experienced the miracle of Medicaid. My dad had had his first heart attack, was going well, and now we were in the second round of visits to get everything in order. We figured that there would be boatloads of bills and paperwork and ???
It was all real simple. All covered. Minimal paperwork. Absolutely no hassles. Nothing. Just a happy patient, and as near as I could tell, happy providers.
It would be such a shame if every American of every age and socio-economic level had to suffer under such a draconian system…
J R in WV
No, they are assuming that statistically speaking, more Democratic voters will die as a result of the bill than Republican voters. So this is one more move on the Republican perpetual majority front of the political combat in America.
Voter ID requirements, gerrymandering, and killing off Democratic voters, all part and parcel of the same despicable Vast Right Wing Conspiracy to end the New Deal, Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid. Public pavement of highways, public mail service, public water systems, public sewer systems, public health agencies to inspect restaurants. All a Commie Plot to Republicans, all to be killed off.
Then everyone can be a serf again. Former Democratic voters, anyway.