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12 Counts

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Mr. Manafort and Gates are each facing a twelve count indictment.

The indictment against both of these individuals makes the following charges:

Count 1 Conspiracy against the United States
Count 2 Conspiracy to Launder Money
Counts 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 — Failure to report foreign accounts
Count 10 — Unregistered agent of a foreign principal (FARA)
Count 11 — False or Misleading FARA statements
Count 12 — False statements

The interesting to me, as I am not a lawyer, is the last couple of pages of the indictment. Paragraph 52 is a notice of intent to seize assets. If there is a conviction on Count 2 (Money laundering) or count 10/11 (FARA violations) the Feds intend to get all of the ill-gotten gains. That to me is an invitation of Mr. Gates to think about his children and his wife. Does he really want to impoverish his family or does he really want to flip and start talking…

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  2. 2.

    JPL

    Is this normal

    President Trump on Monday is scheduled to have lunch with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, just hours after Trump’s former campaign chairman was indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller.
    Sessions was invited to join Trump’s weekly lunch with Vice President Pence, which is closed to press coverage.

    thehill.com/homenews/administration/357783-trump-to-lunch-with-sessions-amid-manafort-charges

    @NotMax: That’s odd, and it seems unlikely it would be an oversight.

  4. 4.

    NotMax

    @JPL

    All I can come up with is that it may be that the purchasing funds could not (yet?) be directly tied or traced to the monies and accounts as described in the indictment. Strictly an uninfomed guess, though.

  5. 5.

    Montanareddog

    As I mentioned below, Manafort’s property at Trump Tower is conspicuously absent from the lists.

    The most obvious explanation would be that the Trump Tower property is not in Manafort’s name.

  6. 6.

    Barbara

    I read the indictment. It’s a combination of financial sleight of hand that is both sophisticated and petty, which is to say, corrupt from start to finish. Everything from paying for real estate with foreign cash and then taking out domestic mortgages on the property in order to use the mortgage proceeds to fund a lavish lifestyle, to falsifying loan documents to mortgage lender about whether a family member was using a property as a permanent residence in order to get a better rate. I can imagine many people doing the latter, sad but true, but I don’t know anybody who would do the former.

  7. 7.

    manyakitty

    @NotMax: Are we sure it’s still in his name? I glanced through a Renato Mariotti thread explaining the indictment, etc., and he said something about missing properties might have been transferred. Either that, or maybe Schneiderman is working on something with it for charges in NY state.

  8. 8.

    rikyrah

    @JPL:

    President Trump on Monday is scheduled to have lunch with Attorney General Jeff Sessions, just hours after Trump’s former campaign chairman was indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller.
    Sessions was invited to join Trump’s weekly lunch with Vice President Pence, which is closed to press coverage.

    Uh huh
    Uh huh

  9. 9.

    germy

    16/ That Mueller is able to start with the President's Campaign Manager—rather than some peon—means he is that much closer to getting Trump.— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) October 30, 2017

  13. 13.

    germy

    51/ Between now and March 31, 2018 we can expect more indictments. Almost certainly Carter Page, Jared Kushner, and Mike Flynn—at a minimum.— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) October 30, 2017

  14. 14.

    Yarrow

    @Betty Cracker:

    Both appear to face this choice: flip, or die in jail.

    In the case of Manafort they can also offer him the option of being sent to Ukraine. That will not go well for him.

  15. 15.

    d58826

    and cole added this in the next thread

    BREAKING: Former Trump campaign advisor George Papadopolous has pleaded guilty to making false statements to FBI agents.

  17. 17.

    Ohio Mom

    I just got back from a long breakfast with another autism mom, catching up on our sons. Now I have a ton of errands and have to run out the door.

    Everything happened when I was out and I don’t have time to read up on all the details.

    I will just say that this feeling that everything is FINALLY working the way it is supposed to is so liberating.

    I feel a weight off my shoulders that I didn’t even know was there. I am almost giddy.

  19. 19.

    Ohio Mom

    P.S. I hope efg is watching from his hospital bed and feeling vindicated about all the times he counseled us to be patient, look how long Watergate took.

  24. 24.

    randy khan

    What’s most interesting to me is that it does not appear that any of the counts are related to the campaign. I can think of multiple reasons for that, some hopeful, some not so hopeful.

  25. 25.

    d58826

    @Major Major Major Major: Oh I don’t give lake much credence on most things. I just got a kick out of the article.

    And on background WH is saying that Manafort was bad when he was hired and and when he left. Now that is an original defense.

  26. 26.

    germy

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    Sorry, but this is years ago, before Paul Manafort was part of the Trump campaign. But why aren’t Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus?????

    Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
    ….Also, there is NO COLLUSION!

  27. 27.

    d58826

    Oh my. Based on MSNBC – Manafort passed his illegal money thru a bank in Cyprus. One of the owners of that bank is a guy named Wilbur Ross. If the name is familiar it is because he is the Sec. of Commerce. There are mor dots at this point that blank spaces.

  28. 28.

    gvg

    @Lee: McClatchy does have the stories up if you go to the website. And the editorial cartoons are mostly anti Trump.

  29. 29.

    glaukopis

    Delurking here. My sister was killed last week. I don’t want to go into details in public, which are ugly, but she was a lurker here as well (I don’t think she even had a nym), but she especially loved the pet posts and anything by JC.
    I am adopting her almost 120-pound golden and bringing him back to Ohio with me – probably from LAX. I have ordered the super humongous-sized transport crate according to the specs at Delta Cargo and will be back at the vet to get his documentation on Wednesday. Any advice? Any experience with Delta on this sort of thing? The return date is a little up in the air but I’m hoping by the end of the week.

  30. 30.

    Tim C.

    I hate to bring this back to the political aspect, but two things, both of which are unknowns. I hope the answer to both of them is yes, but my confidence in accurately predict things along these lines ended a little under a year ago.

    Does this move voters or create more anti-Trump/anti-GOP voters in 2018? As it stands at this moment, I don’t think the Democrats pick up the House or Senate. The map is too stacked against u

    Does this move the needle with elected Republicans in congress to feel less secure about not replacing Trump with Pence at the earliest possible chance? Yes, Pence will likely be worse in many ways, and he’s probably dirty too, but he’s a more “normal” politician.

  36. 36.

    Anonymous At Work

    @Betty Cracker: The choice is going to be “Flip and retain enough assets to go into hiding, or New York and the Feds seize your assets and let Russians deal with you.” It’s not like Manafort was into the Russian mafia for millions…

  37. 37.

    IdahoFlaneuse

    @glaukopis: So sorry for your loss. I hope your happy memories of your sister provide you comfort.
    I don’t know anything about transporting dogs on planes but I wish you all the best. And blessings for taking care of your sister’s dog.

  38. 38.

    stinger

    @glaukopis: So very sorry for your loss, and thank you for taking her dog. My experiences flying pets on Delta are quite positive ones, although they are more than 10 years back. On two occasions, a dog was flown to me in the Midwest from the West Coast. Both were unaccompanied by humans, and they arrived safe and sound. Delta is very experienced at this. Hoping all goes smoothly for you.

  39. 39.

    glaukopis

    Thank you all for your support – I have seen the amazing support you’ve given to others here for their losses and it’s one of the reasons I love this place. I have also gotten great support from the people whom I’ve asked for info or help on this process. I think I have it under control but know that it helps immensely that I not feel completely alone in this. And Mac’s a beautiful pooch, he’ll be in the next calendar along with our other golden, Gibby.

  41. 41.

    Elizabelle

    @glaukopis: I am so sorry, glaukopis. Losing a sibling, no words.

    I think the pup will be a comfort to you. Delta can advise you well. Maybe a nonstop to the nearest airport, and collect the pup there.

    Please let us know how you are doing, and how the pup settles in. Good that Mac has Gibby to chill out with.

  43. 43.

    B

    @glaukopis: I used delta’s pet transport and it went well. I made sure though that it was a straight flight with no stops or connections. Pet arrived with no issues.

  44. 44.

    burnspbesq

    The willful failure to file FBAR counts carry massive financial penalties, and under the case law, concealing information from your return preparer is almost certainly enough to establish willlfulness.

  45. 45.

    MomSense

    @glaukopis:

    I’m so sorry!! Will be keeping you and the pup in my thoughts. Please let us know if you need help with anything. We can all chip in to transport the dog or you or both and help you get set up with all the stuff. Can’t help so much with the grief and shock but we will be here with you whenever you want to share. (((((((Glaukopis)))))))

    This is the first I’ve been able to post. Had to walk to the tractor supply to find camping fuel. All the roads are closed, power out, etc. now to find some coffee. Biggest news day and I’ve been totally in the dark.

  46. 46.

    Elizabelle

    @MomSense: Wow. Any other day, Maine’s weather would be in the headlines. Stay warm and safe. (Camping fuel!)

    Lots of batteries for flashlight reading under the covers with Korra, if need be.

  47. 47.

    Miss Bianca

    @glaukopis: So sorry to hear this. My condolences.

    I seem to recall that my late cat Mab was shipped out on Delta from Chicago to Salt Lake City after I had moved to CO, and that she arrived safe and sound, so I think they’re pretty good pet shippers.

  48. 48.

    Joy in FL

    @glaukopis: no advice about transport, but I have to say I am so sorry for your sister’s death.
    I hope her dog’s move will be easy for both of you. May you continue to find companionship here.

  50. 50.

    TenguPhule

    @Ohio Mom:

    P.S. I hope efg is watching from his hospital bed and feeling vindicated about all the times he counseled us to be patient, look how long Watergate took.

    Let’s not get too ahead of ourselves.

    Remember, we still gotta get these bastards tried and convicted first.

  51. 51.

    Ohio Mom

    @glaukopis: I know next to nothing about dogs or transporting them but I do know about tremendous losses. You have my deepest condolences.

    I hope that when you are finished with all the immediate tasks, like taking care of settling in the dog, you make sure to take care of you. And that you continue to delurk and grace us with your presence.

  52. 52.

    Ruckus

    @glaukopis:
    Sorry for your loss.
    I have sent a dog on a plane ride but it was a private plane which ferried pets around the country. It was the pilot and about 20 dogs in crates. There was no room left in the plane and everything went well. I have seen lots of animals on planes over the years and it seems to not be that much of a problem. The airlines want things to go well and do not want to hurt your pet. But there can be problems because some dogs freak out about being crated or over a long flight. If you know of or have a vet, ask them for advice.

  53. 53.

    spudgun

    @glaukopis: Unfortunately no dog advice (no experience with big dogs, only little ones), but just coming out of lurkdom to offer you my deepest condolences. I’m so, so sorry for your loss.

    You’ve definitely come to the right place, though, for advice and comfort, so please don’t be shy. Sending you warm thoughts—

    ETA: And good for you for adopting your sister’s dog! I hope the two of you can comfort each other.

  54. 54.

    J R in WV

    @glaukopis:

    No pet history more recent than 19970s, those airlines are long gone now.

    But we have flown on Delta mostly for the past 15 or 20 years, and have had very good results so far, but for an exceptional weather situation which I do not really blame the airline for. I think you are with the best air travel folks available in the US.

    Ruckus is right about talking to the vet about the travel arrangements – a mild sedative might be a good idea, and get enough to do a trial run before you take your new best friend to the airport. I think we used valium for our cat? but the vet will give you good advice and a med that will be helpful

    Sorry for your loss.

  55. 55.

    J R in WV

    Once some few years ago we flew out of CRW, proabably to BWI or LGA, we were sitting up front in a little commuter plane. There was a pitiful mewing from the cargo space, and the flight attendant told us there was a cat being shipped to appear in a show. One of them went into cargo space to check and it seemed OK, just stressed out.

    One passenger asked if since there was an empty front row, couldn’t they bring the kennel up to the cat would be with the other people. So the crew chief asked, no one objected, and kitty rode in the cabin quite calmly for the rest of the short flight to NYC. We all thought that was a wise decision, as the noise from the cargo hold was enough to rattle anyone’s nerves and cat did calm down riding with the other people.

    Golden’s in my experience are very calm about everything, so it should all go fine.

    Best of luck getting big dog home, again, so sorry for your loss.

  56. 56.

    Msb

    @ glaukopis
    I’m so sorry to hear of your loss, and agree that the pup will be a blessing to you.

    @ all
    What does “conspiracy against the US” mean? Is that treason?
    Gosh.

  57. 57.

    glaukopis

    Thank you all again. It seems like Delta is the best option, and trying to get him there with a single flight would be the least stressful. I’m seeing the vet Wednesday so will ask about anxiety issues as well as health docs.

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