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You are here: Home / And now you’re back, from outer space

And now you’re back, from outer space

by DougJ|  November 15, 201711:05 am| 63 Comments

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As mentioned earlier, Obamacare repeal is back:

The latest incarnation, blessed on Tuesday by Senate GOP leadership, is an amendment to Republicans’ long-awaited tax overhaul bill that would repeal Obamacare’s individual mandate. Such a policy change would save the government more than $300 billion but cost about 13 million people their health insurance coverage, and drastically hike premiums for those who remain in the individual market, experts say.

Why are they doing this? To make the numbers work in such a way that they can use reconciliation.

Alexander-Murray is never ever going to happen. No way it gets through the House. So if the Senate tax bill becomes law, our health care system will be decimated.

All hands on deck.

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  1. 1.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2017 at 11:13 am

    PLEASE CALL YOUR SENATORS! Yes, call your Dem Senators. Let them know you support their standing against this bill. Make the day of the intern answering the phone by being a nice caller. And PLEASE call your Republican Senators and raise hell. This bill will gut the ACA and raise taxes on EVERYONE but the very, very rich. It’s a disaster.

    And if you’re thinking Medicare will save you, ha ha, think again.

    Make no mistake: they're coming after Medicare and Medicaid next. And at that point, the press will go along with their deficit concerns. https://t.co/aZ03MkLEml— Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) November 15, 2017

    Keep calling!

  2. 2.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2017 at 11:16 am

    It's not a tax bill anymore. It's a health care repeal bill.

    Time to mobilize. Like now.

    — Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) November 15, 2017

  3. 3.

    randy khan

    November 15, 2017 at 11:19 am

    The line for calls has to be “Is the [Representative]/[Senator] so cruel as to take away health care from 13 million people just to fund extra tax cuts?”

    I assume targets for calls have to include McCain, Collins and Murkowski, plus all the Tuesday Group House Republicans. Anybody else in particular?

  4. 4.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2017 at 11:27 am

    Further to the Medicare gutting:

    HATCH confirms deep cuts to Medicare are coming >> https://t.co/uVYawmCRg2— Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) November 15, 2017

    Hatch to Bennett: "There won't be any Medicare if we keep spending like you guys want to do."— Alan Rappeport (@arappeport) November 15, 2017

  5. 5.

    The Dangerman

    November 15, 2017 at 11:29 am

    I don’t understand the strategy of trying to pass a bill that not only screws over Big Blue States (we send Republicans to the House, too) but also immediately screws over Health Insurance Companies (let alone the downstream impacts to Medicare, which should make the Seniors real supportive of this thing).

  6. 6.

    catclub

    November 15, 2017 at 11:29 am

    There is also this little nugget in the senate bill:

    CBO: The Republican Tax Bill Will Trigger $136 Billion in Automatic Budget Cuts Next Year

    and there are lots of things held out of bounds for those cuts – like SS and all low-income programs.

  7. 7.

    catclub

    November 15, 2017 at 11:32 am

    I think they put that in for two reasons: Trump asked for it, and it lowers the total cost, so more available to give to billionaires.

    But it also makes the same objectors to the Healthcare Repeal bill angry. If they stay angry at doing the same things, the bill dies.
    THEN, the senate can say to Trump – ‘We put in what you wanted and that made the whole bill fail’.

  8. 8.

    lgerard

    November 15, 2017 at 11:34 am

    This guy seems nice

    Voice of America Reporter Posts Racist Reddit Memes While Receiving Taxpayer Money

  9. 9.

    Cheryl Rofer

    November 15, 2017 at 11:35 am

    Just called my senators and thanked them. I feel like I’m not working as hard as the folks who have Republican senators. Thanks to all of you!

  10. 10.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 11:39 am

    Why are they doing this? To make the numbers work in such a way that they can use reconciliation.

    EVIL AZZ MUTHAPHUCKAS

  11. 11.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 11:42 am

    @Yarrow:

    UH HUH

    No good muthaphuckas.

  12. 12.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2017 at 11:42 am

    Andy Slavitt has a good thread on why this vote has to be done this year. It’s tied to the AL election and they’re worried Moore won’t win.

    With all respect to newfound morality, much of the worry by GOP of Roy Moore relates to largely to passing the tax bill.1/— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) November 15, 2017

    Click through for the whole thread, but this is important:

    McConnell has apparently directed final Senate vote before new AL Senator is seated (~12/20). Jones, per @CNN report, is opening a lead. 3/— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) November 15, 2017

    It's not clear how many votes GOP has for tax bill, but I keep hearing them say "50" (i.e., no margin to lose AL). 4/— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) November 15, 2017

  13. 13.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 11:43 am

    @Yarrow:
    Damn straight – we knew that they would be coming for Medicare.

    Phuck that!!

  14. 14.

    tobie

    November 15, 2017 at 11:44 am

    Just called Rep Andy Harris (MD-1) and told his office that Harris should do what his colleague Rep King in New York is doing and vote no on the tax plan, since it will hurt his constituents in Maryland. Doubt the call will do any good but I’ll keep on venting.

  15. 15.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 11:51 am

    @Yarrow:

    Keep on spreading the truth. Andy and Topher are two of my ‘ go-to’ folks about this.

  16. 16.

    trollhattan

    November 15, 2017 at 11:52 am

    Since the entire Republican Party is treating the rest of the nation as groping targets, we should respond like this Utah jogger lady.

    A Utah woman fought back against a man who groped her while jogging. The woman was attacked from behind Friday about 6 a.m. while jogging in Salt Lake City, but she managed to stab the assailant, reported The Salt Lake City Tribune.

    Police said the woman was carrying a small knife in her hand while exercising. She stabbed the man multiple times and even chased him for a short time before calling police.

    The woman described the assailant as a physically fit white man, about 5 feet 9 inches tall and 150 pounds, and between the ages of 15 and 30. Police said the man may have stab wounds on his arms, legs or chest.

    Time to camp out at hospital admissions. Utah cops are used to doing that.

  17. 17.

    MomSense

    November 15, 2017 at 11:58 am

    Talked to King’s office and he is a solid no.

    No answer and no voice mail at Collins’ office. About to fax her.

    If anyone else is having trouble getting through on the phones, text Resist to 504-09 and resist bot will assist you in sending a free fax. They have improved the service so if you haven’t tried it since the last repeal and go fuck yourselves, give it a whirl now.

  18. 18.

    David Anderson

    November 15, 2017 at 11:59 am

    Even if individual mandate was not in the bill, Alexander-Murray should be dead and joining the choir invisible.

  19. 19.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 12:02 pm

    Even if the the GOP gets all they want on the current version of the rich person’s tax slash scam, their funders will still be pissed. It’s already been trimmed down so Trump is wrong when he yells that it’s the biggest tax cut ever. I don’t think it’s even in the top five anymore. And their funders are pissed at their GOP flunkies’ impudence in even asking them to find some super rich person and big corporate tax loopholes and tax expenditures to close. Who do the hired help think they are even asking their masters to make any sacrifice at all?

    So, they are desperate, and even if people think the chances of stopping it are low, they should call their Reps and Senators, and any others they can think of, just to make their lives miserable. Look at as being a snarling jackal making someone’s life miserable, kind of like a popular form of BJ comment.

    In other words, what would Cole do, and how cranky would he be about it?

  20. 20.

    The Moar You Know

    November 15, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    The woman described the assailant as a physically fit white man, about 5 feet 9 inches tall and 150 pounds, and between the ages of 15 and 30. Police said the man may have stab wounds on his arms, legs or chest.

    @trollhattan: He ain’t physically fit now. Perhaps change the description to “well-ventilated”.

    Time to camp out at hospital admissions. Utah cops are used to doing that.

    All cops are used to doing that. There’s always a squad car parked by every ER entrance in the entire county where I live.

  21. 21.

    Yarrow

    November 15, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    Got a live person on the phone at Republican Senator’s office. I asked him why the Senator was voting to take health care away from 13 million people. He stuttered and didn’t have an answer. Asked the Senator to vote against the bill. It’s a bad bill, will raise taxes on me and my family and take away my health insurance.

    Then I kept going.

    I asked why they were taking away the adoption tax credit. “I thought the Republican party was the party to life. Why do you want to take away support for children who need homes and parents who want to give them homes?”
    “Uhhh….that wasn’t the Senator’s amendment. You need to find who added that amendment and talk to them…”
    “No, I don’t! The Senator votes on this bill. If he doesn’t like what’s in it he needs to speak out. Why hasn’t he spoken out?”
    “Well, the bill does increase the child deduction for families.”
    “How can people get that deduction when they can’t afford to adopt a child in the first place?!!!”
    “Uhhh….”

    Lather, rinse, repeat for gutting social security, Medicare, medical expense deductions, etc. I also asked him why he was working for someone that wanted to hurt people. He didn’t like that question.

  22. 22.

    Brachiator

    November 15, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    @Yarrow:

    Keep calling!

    Yep. Yep. Yep.

  23. 23.

    trollhattan

    November 15, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    @Yarrow:
    You get 20 Quatloos! Way to make your point.

  24. 24.

    Hungry Joe

    November 15, 2017 at 12:17 pm

    “Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity or remorse or fear. And It absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.” — Kyle Reese

  25. 25.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 12:20 pm

    Krugman’s twitter feed over last week has great links to analysis that give simple picture of bottom line economic carnage of the bill. Too many to link to here. But might be good to look through it before you call to pick a choice morsel.

    For GOPers who depend on affluent white Trumpster vote, might want to mention that, for some reason, this group has been selected to take a bigger hit than groups immediately below them, and a much bigger hit than people above them. How are they going to explain to their loyal voters that they played them for suckers next year? I guess it’s one of the basic Trumpster principles that no loser goes unbetrayed, and the affluent are just a slightly higher toned brand of loser in their book. Also, fact that even among upper middle class and affluent, those who actually work at running a real business that produces a good or service, practice a profession, or are employed, don’t get the bennies. Trust fund babies and super rich financial investors do, people who do anything useful do not.

  26. 26.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 12:22 pm

    @The Dangerman:

    I don’t understand the strategy of trying to pass a bill that not only screws over Big Blue States (we send Republicans to the House, too) but also immediately screws over Health Insurance Companies

    It makes perfect sense when you remember the other guys are actual Nazis.

  27. 27.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    @catclub:

    But it also makes the same objectors to the Healthcare Repeal bill angry.

    Angry enough to turn down those sweet sweet tax cuts?

    I wouldn’t bet our lives on that.

  28. 28.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    @trollhattan:

    Time to camp out at hospital admissions. Utah cops are used to doing that.

    Well played.

  29. 29.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    @jl:

    How are they going to explain to their loyal voters that they played them for suckers next year?

    “Its Hillary’s fault!”

    /so wish I was kidding

  30. 30.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    I can’t resist one tweet found through Krugman twitter feed. The GOP is going into this blind. They won’t even know if their scam will work on their own terms. They aren’t even waiting for an analysis done using their own unrealistic supply side assumptions. Huge tax cuts for super rich and giant multi-national corporations, damn everything else, are so important that they will vote not even knowing what their scam will do using their own assumptions. It’s like a bag man handing off the money to his big shot sugar daddy right before said flunky runs off a cliff. Is there a ledge down below, are they going to fall 1000 feet and go splat? Who cares? Really amazing.

    Any ammunition that will rattle them is good to use.

    Len Burman
    @lenburman
    Can it be true that the House will vote on the Tax Cuts and JOBS Act without a dynamic (macroeconomic) analysis from the JCT? This in a bill rationalized almost entirely based on its macro benefits.
    https://twitter.com/lenburman/status/930832994545303554

  31. 31.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    @TenguPhule: Last Tuesday indicated that the HRC gimmick isn’t working well enough to save them any more. Might be good to remind them of last Tuesday’s election.

    They go in tied in polls next year, and that one critical voter gets tired of hearing about HRC, they are 50 percent minus one, and they lose.

  32. 32.

    p.a.

    November 15, 2017 at 12:35 pm

    Any potential help from the Parliamentarian?

  33. 33.

    CaseyL

    November 15, 2017 at 12:42 pm

    Calls made. My Senators are Cantwell and Murray, so I know they’ll be strong against this. I thanked them for being a strong and consistent vote against the GOP agenda as well as being against the current atrocity.

    I also told Murray’s office that I sympathized with her, working with Lamar Alexander on an ACA fix only to get repeatedly shut down in preference for a repeal vote. Which, of course, Alexander will vote for.

  34. 34.

    Major Major Major Major

    November 15, 2017 at 12:45 pm

    @trollhattan:

    The woman described the assailant as a physically fit white man, about 5 feet 9 inches tall and 150 pounds, and between the ages of 15 and 30. Police said the man may have stab wounds on his arms, legs or chest.

    This reminds me of a badass quip from a book I read earlier this year. Something like

    “Oh, and he’s missing an eye,” she said.
    “Which eye?”
    She held up her hand and opened her fist. “This one.”

  35. 35.

    H.E.Wolf

    November 15, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    Grrr. Called my Senators. They’re Democrats, a strong force but a numerical minority – the staff were very glad to hear from me. The more support they receive from Back Home, the better.

    Dear TenguPhule, call your elected officials! All of us with one or more Democratic Senators, call! Let them hear that we have their backs. Thank them.

    Anyone who can’t bear to telephone, or who would like to reach elected officials other than their own, Fax Zero is a great website.

    Anyone who thinks we can’t make a difference, do it anyway… and perhaps report in, so that we can cheer for you. :)

  36. 36.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 12:49 pm

    Huh, just heard on the news that individual tax cuts have sunset, but tax cuts for giant corporations live forever. I guess that came down the pike over last day to try to squeeze this giant bag of toxic waste into reconciliation. Also eliminated the pass through income tax cuts for smaller businesses who still would get them. Really amazing hatchet job on any one not in upper fraction of upper one percent. Tell a GOPer Congressfink you are going to explain this too all your friends, family and neighbors.

    Not getting their full Obamacare repeal/replace scam earlier this year really left some gaping wounds in their plans. If can beat them on that, can beat them on this one.

    Senate Plan Would Repeal Mandate, Sunset Cuts: Tax Debate Update
    Bloomberg News
    November 14, 2017
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-14/byrd-rule-rattles-senate-as-house-nears-vote-tax-debate-update

    Edit: and I think I made a mistake in previous comment when I typed ’employee’ when I meant ‘independent contractor’.

  37. 37.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    @jl: Oh I’m not worried that it will save them. I’m worried about the mindset of people who still believe them.

    That old saying about believing in absurdities before committing atrocities keeps coming to mind more and more these days.

  38. 38.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 1:02 pm

    @H.E.Wolf:

    Dear TenguPhule, call your elected officials! All of us with one or more Democratic Senators, call! Let them hear that we have their backs. Thank them.

    Already done. Well, one of them. The other one is a stupid moron who decided she wants to step down and run for governor. She’s a no vote on this bill, but I don’t trust myself to speak civilly to her office.

  39. 39.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 1:04 pm

    @TenguPhule: Some proportion of every country’s population is crazy or seriously impaired. This country appears to have at least 27 percent. It’s been the human condition for thousands of years. Just beat them at the polls, do a good job after you win, and be pleasantly surprised if a few of them come around after they see good policy that makes their situation better.

  40. 40.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 1:05 pm

    @jl: At this point, I wonder if my quip about all the GOP in Congress being subverted by the Russians has more then a grain of truth to it.

    This is going beyond the normal disregard for rules and norms straight into crazyville.

  41. 41.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    @jl: Most countries are not stupid enough to allow their crazies to load up on firearms.

    I remember when Trump was threatening to refuse to accept any election result that he didn’t agree with and the GOP base not even batting an eye about it.

    It was another rule and norm casually thrown into the bonfire. But it was an important one.

  42. 42.

    H.E.Wolf

    November 15, 2017 at 1:15 pm

    @TenguPhule:
    Thank you and hooray!

    From what I’ve read about your other Senator, she is indeed a piece of work. Fax Zero is excellent for uncivil — or at any rate strongly worded — communications. I’ll send her a fax if you will….
    [ETA: a fax on voting NO on the tax bill, I mean. We can’t do much about her idiocy in general.]

  43. 43.

    mai naem mobile

    November 15, 2017 at 1:22 pm

    For everybody in the comments: senate finance committee is taking calls. I voiced my opposition, good to let them know people are watching: 202-224-4515

  44. 44.

    ding7777

    November 15, 2017 at 1:56 pm

    @catclub: I’m confused. If the mandate repeal will save $300 billion how can it also trigger the Paygo automatic $136 billion reductions?

  45. 45.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 1:58 pm

    @mai naem mobile:

    thanks for the number.

  46. 46.

    JR

    November 15, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    @p.a.: Cromwell’s been dead a few hundred years but his approach might be sound here

  47. 47.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    @ding7777: I think the text catclub gave is a little out of date. The elimination of the mandate is in response to those numbers.

    Going into yesterday morning, the GOP tax bill needed to find $136 billion expenditure reduction to fit under reconciliation. Max general fund Medicare cut that can be made over the time horizon is 4 percent, or around $25 billion, which leaves $111 billion in other cuts. CBO said the executive does not have enough leeway under reconciliation rules to find $111 billion in cuts. So now the GOP is looking for ways to cut down the expenditure cuts required by the bill, and increase amount of spending that can be cut through legislation. Elimination of mandate is one way, sunset on cuts on individual income tax rates (though no sunset on corporate taxes, or provisions for loopholes and tax avoidance wrt individual rates that help mostly super rich), more closing of loopholes for middle class proposed yesterday in response to the infeasible $111 billion that needs to be cut (that is, reduce tax slash for everyone except super rich and giant corporations, and do some legislating permissible under reconciliation to allow more spending cuts elsewhere to make up for deficit produced by the tax slash scam).

  48. 48.

    dogwood

    November 15, 2017 at 2:10 pm

    Claire McCaskill really went after Hatch. He was fumbling and stumbling like the old fool he is.

  49. 49.

    The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion

    November 15, 2017 at 2:22 pm

    Done and done. Called and thanked McCaskill for her part in the resistance. Called Blunt’s office and read them the riot act. Pointed out that by eliminating the adoption credit and cutting medicare and medicaid, they are literally stealing from the orphan and the widow to give to the rich, and that the scripture has a great deal more to say about that than it does about gay marriage, or any of the other glaring hypocrisies they’re so fond of claiming in the name of Christianity. Insisted that, as a citizen, taxpayer, and constituent, this will NOT be done in my name. Probably accomplished nothing other than ruining a staffer’s morning, but it felt good.

  50. 50.

    ding7777

    November 15, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    @jl: thank-you for the explanation. My trying to follow this tax bill is like asking who’s on first.

  51. 51.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    Sorry rikrah, you were wrong.

    “When the expansive Republican rewrite of the federal tax code hits the House floor this week, the final vote will happen in Washington, but its fate will have been decided on the other side of the country. The 14 House Republicans representing California districts are under intense pressure from constituents, local elected officials and, in many cases, prospective Democratic opponents over provisions that could raise taxes for many residents of the high-tax, high-cost-of-living state. But so far, only one — San Diego-area Rep. Darrell Issa — has come out against the bill as written; the others have either declared their support or say they are still reviewing the bill ahead of the House vote tentatively scheduled for Thursday.”

    The California Republicans are falling in line. Constituents be damned.

  52. 52.

    WaterGirl

    November 15, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    @mai naem mobile: Interesting. The person who answered the phone (202-224-4515) at the senate finance committee said she would pass along my message and then said:

    I would strongly recommend that you call your representatives and senators and let them know you are opposed.

  53. 53.

    catclub

    November 15, 2017 at 3:09 pm

    @ding7777: It is not the mandate repeal that triggers the reductions, it is the rest of the tax giveaways.

  54. 54.

    japa21

    November 15, 2017 at 3:17 pm

    It should also be noted that, with repeal of the mandate, insurance premiums for most people will increase by enough that any tax cut they see will be eaten up by the premium increase.

  55. 55.

    catclub

    November 15, 2017 at 3:19 pm

    The fact that we centering discussions on how the bill will or won’t meet the $1.5Tr limit means they have already won the argument.

    Why are we cutting taxes and raising the deficit AT ALL when the economy and unemployment are in the best shape they have been in ten years?
    Tax cuts are the GOP prescription no matter what the condition of the economy. At least in 2000-2001 we had a (temporary) budget surplus.

  56. 56.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    @jl:

    thanks for this. will spread the word.

  57. 57.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    @catclub: My opinion is ‘different strokes for different folks’ is needed when making specific arguments to Congress people with specific goal of stopping the bill. What you mention is best for arguing with sane voters and tax payer or complaining to media about crummy or biased coverage. But I think GOP Congressfinks won’t respond at all to the arguments you mention, for several reasons.

  58. 58.

    rikyrah

    November 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    @TenguPhule:

    The California Republicans are falling in line. Constituents be damned.

    Senators Feinstein and Harris need to do what Chuck Schumer did – do ads in their districts, calling them out by name, and telling them what would happen to them if this passed.

  59. 59.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm

    @catclub:

    The fact that we centering discussions on how the bill will or won’t meet the $1.5Tr limit means they have already won the argument.

    We’re not. There are multiple lines of attack against this bill. The limit busting is just one of them.

  60. 60.

    TenguPhule

    November 15, 2017 at 3:28 pm

    @rikyrah:

    do ads in their districts, calling them out by name, and telling them what would happen to them if this passed.

    That’s what’s happening. Their voters are calling them out, their peers are calling them out and their democratic opponents are calling them out.

    They’re still gonna do it.

  61. 61.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 3:29 pm

    @TenguPhule: I agree. GOP Congressfinks will only respond to good evidence that voting for it will rip a bigger new asshole in them than any other course of action.

  62. 62.

    catclub

    November 15, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    @jl:

    My opinion is ‘different strokes for different folks’

    good points. thanks.

  63. 63.

    jl

    November 15, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    @rikyrah: The GOP is doing this on the fly because, over the last several weeks, their big funders told them to go to hell, when the impertinent GOP flunkies asked the super rich to find a few loopholes and tax expenditures for the big shots that could be closed.

    I think those GOP asks for the funders got a final ‘no’ with extreme prejudice late last week.

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