Another day, another cop gets away with murder:
Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
I don’t know how jurors could watch that and not convict of at least reckless manslaughter.
TenguPhule
Two words.
White Privilege.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
I think the jurors should be exposed.
MarkK
Police State 101. Disgusting! When are we going to rise up and fix this? I’m a 62 year old (white privileged but broke) geezer and I’m ready to roll
Mnemosyne
The only explanation I can think of is that the defense somehow kept the video out of court. Or the cop is a Mormon in the very Mormon city of Mesa.
MarkK
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?: Me too!
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
Drinkin’ beer in the hot sun
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I needed sex and I got mine
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The law don’t mean shit
If you got the right friends
That’s how this county’s run
Twinkies are the best friend I ever had
I fought the law and I won
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I blew George and Harvey’s brains out with my
Six gun!
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Gonna write my book and make a million
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I’m the new folk hero of the Ku Klux Klan
My cop friend thinks it’s fun
You can get away with murder if you got a badge
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I AM the law so I won
TenguPhule
I think perhaps only black women should be police officers.
Dave
This is an example of everything wrong with police training and culture. Everything about his approach was dehumanizing and escalated the situation. It’s disgusting…. I don’t even have words to many have conditioned themselves and been conditioned to interpret any ambiguous behavior as maximally threatening. I have nothing but contempt for that.
NCSteve
Arizona is where evil old people go to acclimate to Hell. Of course they acquitted.
PJ
Stone cold murder, and the perp walks. And clearly this cop had issues performing basic tasks, like handcuffing a suspect lying prone on the floor, not to mention articulating coherent orders – he orders the guy to crawl, and then starts shooting him when he starts to crawl.
MarkK
Goddamit what a piece of shit!! Nazi cop. This country sucks. No really, we suck!
Citizen_X
When the fuck did making a mistake at this Simon Says bullshit become a capitol offense?
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
Thought I’d drop this here:
The Worst of All Possible Worlds: Did Market Leninism Win the Cold War?
The article was written in early 2015. Prophetic.
The thrust is this: history never ends and we seem to be expecting that authoritarian regimes (un-Swedens) in places like Turkey, Russia and China will eventually become more like the West: liberal and democratic. But China has surpassed our economy to become the largest in the world and doesn’t appear to be ready to end it’s one party rule any time soon. The article does end on a hopeful note. We are not slaves to history and can change our system to become something that is truly great and most optimal for everyone. We just have to want to and fight like hell.
One of its flaws is it doesn’t talk enough about the effects of racism and general xenophobia, only in passing
HumboldtBlue
You’ll notice that nearly every time there is a police shooting similar to this that if that action had been performed while in the military they would court-martialed. But here at home cops get to pretend they are still in Fallujah and the authoritarian mindset of white jurors will always side with police. The aberration is that fuckbag Scott getting convicted of murder in SC.
Dave
@PJ: Ah but his hand moved towards his waist and that’s apparently enough for us to accept that the Officer in question reasonably feared for his life and was sufficient justification to end the victims life. This is enraging.
Dave
@Citizen_X: When police are taught anything but immediate 100% compliance is justification to take a life. Even if the victim is attempting to comply but given contradictory instructions. We demand that random citizens be 110% perfect in these accounts and I’m not sure if we even have standards for officers. I’ve been in firefights with rounds impacting near me and was less afraid and showed greater control than that piece of shit when I didn’t have a positively identified target.
TenguPhule
@Citizen_X:
The moment they gave that cop a gun and a badge.
Cacti
I do.
It’s Maricopa County, Arizona.
TenguPhule
@HumboldtBlue:
No, he wasn’t. They deadlocked on it.
He had to be brought up on CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS to get him convicted.
And our SC majority has the balls to tell us that Racism is dead.
Amaranthine RBG
We need to guns out of the hands of police officers
Cacti
@ Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) :
We’re in year 1 of the worst case scenario and have 3 more to go.
Spanky
From Cole’s linky:
Spanky
@Spanky: So a totally non-rhetorical question: How the hell could this not have been presented as evidence at the trial? If it was withheld by the police, is there (theoretically – it’s Arizona after all) a path to overturning the verdict based on new evidence?
MaxUtil
@Dave: I would that is exactly what got the cop acquitted. The victim did clearly move his hand back oddly. It sounds to me like the cop’s super aggressive way of handling this got the guy so freaked out he couldn’t think straight.
As is often the case, I think the bigger problem here is the training and events that lead to this situation. In that moment, I can see how they could justify the cop shooting. But he created this situation. Are all these cops on steroids or something? I’ve had no tactical training. But it seems like every one of these videos shows a cop in a complete panic state, unable to handle the situation in any intelligent fashion. I believe a lot of this comes down to the training they give cops too that they should treat ANY possible threat with overwhelming deadly response.
The Moar You Know
@Mnemosyne: They didn’t. It’s fucking Arizona. Those assholes will sign off on anything a cop does.
The order to crawl was deliberate, he could then shoot with impunity, as he could then say “he was moving towards his waist” as that’s what crawling is. I would have kept my hands in the air and not moved. He probably would have shot me anyway. He was obviously there with the goal to shoot someone.
The PD fired him and it seems the union didn’t fight it, which tells me a lot. He’ll get picked up by another department and keep shooting people.
We do live in a police state, one so bad that even my Trump-loving relatives fully acknowledge that it’s a huge problem. I don’t know if that’s fixable.
David Evans
According to BBC News the bodycam footage was released after the verdict, i.e. the jury did not see it. I wonder if that might not be grounds for a mistrial.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42277309
TenguPhule
@Cacti: And the Resistance is so disorganized that the Republicans don’t even have to pay off half to shoot the other half in the back. They happily do it for free.
HumboldtBlue
@TenguPhule: Good point.
Adam L Silverman
@TenguPhule: @Mnemosyne: @Dave: My understanding is that it is unclear who is doing the screaming on the video. From the better reporting it appears that the person screaming contradictory instructions was actually a sergeant behind the officer who was the shooter. So the officer who shot the guy would give one set of instructions and then the sergeant behind him would scream contradictory instructions. And this was enough for the defense to create reasonable doubt with the jury.
That said: 1) This is a terrible shoot. 2) At the point that they had him on his face with his hands on his head with an officer aiming at him they could have sent another officer over to pat him down and either clear him or cuff him. They didn’t. 3) Arizona is an open carry (constitutional carry) state. One is allowed to wander around with a gun. 4) Most hotel windows do NOT open!
Got tor run. Stay frosty!
TenguPhule
@The Moar You Know:
Eventually the calculus is going to conclude that if you’re dead anyway, why not shoot first?
HumboldtBlue
@The Moar You Know:
Or he’ll just get his job back.
TenguPhule
@HumboldtBlue: It was at that point I knew things are truly fucked. If a literal video of being shot in the back can’t get a murder conviction against a police officer, nothing can.
Mike J
Hey Washingtonionites, be sure to check out De Escalate Washington. I normally hate ballot initiatives, but I-940 sounds like a good idea:
Dave
@MaxUtil: They are trained into this and too many departments culture supports it. We are basically training officers to give themselves PTSD and pretending it’s a good thing. Or more accurately we are pretending that people can live in a hyped up state of anyone can kill me at anytime the populace is the enemy hyper-vigilance this isn’t even good for the officers and is a disservice to them let alone anyone that ends up becoming their victims. At a deeper level is the intense dehumanization that is occurring he didn’t see the guy as a person. And I agree it is what got him acquitted.
TenguPhule
@HumboldtBlue: Its funny how only the most right wing authoritarian backstabbing unions, police and fire, still have all their powers while everyone else got neutered.
I remember a term for them that started with a Q.
Citizen_X
Also not admitted as evidence: the fact that the killer had “YOU’RE FUCKED” etched/painted/whatever on his weapon.
sukabi
@Spanky: if it was released AFTER acquittal, then it was probably not available as evidence at the trial…also guessing that someone in the department released the video to make sure the cop wouldn’t be welcomed back on the force and to help victims family in their civil suit…
germy
Even Rep Steve King is disgusted by the verdict
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Cacti:
The article was published in early 2015. Nobody knew Trump was running yet.
The article also mentions the growing threats of fascist parties in Europe, even all the way back in 2015. In particular, the article mentions Viktor Orban’s turn away from the West and his authoritarian tendencies.
mike in dc
Jury instructions based upon Supreme Court rulings also handcuff a jury to a great extent. So long as the officer fears he is in danger, it doesn’t even have to be a reasonable fear for him to be “justified” in use of deadly force. To change jury verdicts, change the case law.
Dave
@Adam L Silverman: Fair. As you said terrible shoot regardless. There need to be consequences and changes in the department cultures that lead to these events. Given my own experience I have little tolerance for but he was afraid bullshit. It’s a scary job sometimes people with hyped up amygdala’s shouldn’t be doing the job in the first place but to reach the point where that officer is shooting that civilian requires significant failures at multiple levels.
I’m going to run as well.
mike in dc
If it weren’t for the endless War on (some people using some types of ) Drugs, would most officers even need to carry guns around?
germy
@David Evans:
but i thought the whole point of a body cam was for court cases like this.
Dave
@mike in dc: Right that really is the topper to this. Is that by case law the jury probably did make the correct decision which is pretty damning.
NotMax
@Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe)
Not quite yet.
But soon (likely sooner what with Dolt 45 in office).
Felanius Kootea
Waiting for Trump to tweet his support for the officer and offer him a cabinet position if his department won’t hire him back.
? Martin
@germy: Only because the victim was white.
TenguPhule
@mike in dc: You forget the 2nd amendment sovereign citizens at your peril.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@? Martin:
Exactly. But that was stupid the way those police handled it. Why didn’t they send an officer to handcuff them while being covered? It’s obvious the deceased was no threat and was scared out of his mind. Surprise surprise, it turns out screaming at someone while pointing a gun at them will freak them out and cause them to act as they otherwise wouldn’t. The victim made a mistake and got killed for it. That officer deserves to lose more than just his job.
Mike in DC
@NotMax:
I wonder what their growth rate assumptions have been. China’s growth has slowed and will continue to slow down. They have not yet had to deal with a serious recession and if and when it happens it may cause major social disruption there.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@TenguPhule: Annecdata but: I worked with a Black woman years ago who was just about to leave our office because she passed the LAPD entry exam and was about to start training. The joked about abusing her power and said a little too straightly “Once I’m a cop I’ll be able to I’ll be able to do whatever I want.” I fear that regardless of gender/race, the job attracts (demands?) a certain type of attitude like that.
Mike in DC
@TenguPhule:
We have the feds for that.
TenguPhule
@Mike in DC: Feds only come into play once the nuts stop paying their taxes or cross state lines looking for trouble. Local cops have to deal with them first.
TenguPhule
@Uncle Ebeneezer: We have to develop an irony font. I made the comment as an ironic echo of what was said by another poster about politicians.
The Moar You Know
@mike in dc: Yes, and you and the cops can thank the NRA for that. There are 330 million people in this country and over 350 million firearms. I think any cop in the country has to assume there is a gun at any scene they’re called out on. Which, of course, leads to police shootings and sensational headlines, which are quite beneficial to the NRA.
Mnemosyne
@mike in dc:
Drugs are only an excuse to shoot people of color. If all drugs were legalized tomorrow, these exact same shootings would still happen.
The Moar You Know
Dead thread, but to be clear, the jury did see the video.
Mike J
@The Moar You Know: And 3% of Americans own half of those guns.
Another Scott
@MaxUtil: (I haven’t watched the video.)
The bad training (and bad hires (h/t Kay)) aspect of these events has been clear to me since the Rodney King beating tape. There were a dozen or more cops standing around him, but the cop with the baton continued to wail on him because King wasn’t complying good enough. If the cops had some sort of genuine fear of King, they could have all sat on him and restrained him. That obviously wasn’t the issue. The issue was making the victim do exactly what they wanted or suffering the consequences. [Cartman] Respect Ma Authorita!! [/Cartman]
It’s barbaric and it’s well past time that we stopped putting up with police departments that act this way. It’s a systemic problem that needs a systemic solution.
My $0.02.
Cheers,
Scott.
TenguPhule
@Another Scott:
He had resisted and the cops were angry.
trollhattan
@The Moar You Know:
Well then, the jurors are ghouls or the judge gave some really weird jury instructions.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I fucking hate the police. The whole fucking system needs to be torn down and built back up from the ground. This makes me want to punch somebody. Fuck.
Mnemosyne
@The Moar You Know:
From that story:
Mesa PD knows this guy was bad news, and yet he’ll probably just get churned to another, smaller department where he can kill more people. That’s how the cop who killed Tamir Rice ended up in Cleveland — he washed out of being a cop in another jurisdiction.
PIGL
@TenguPhule: Freikorps. But more heavily armed.
encephalopath
“He reached for…” is a magical incantation. There doesn’t have to be anything to reach for and there doesn’t have to be any visible reaching motion.
Just saying the words mean justified shooting by a LEO.
cmorenc
Why did the prosecutors *not* introduce the bodycam video at trial? They sure as hell knew it existed. There is no valid evidentiary objection to its introduction. It seems the prosecution deliberately tanked the case against the officer. Or else are so massively incompetent they should be fired as well.
Scamp Dog
@Dave: Yep. Failing eliminating that sort of policing entirely, there ought to be a “not brave enough to be on the force” standard. Ok, you were scared, you won’t go to jail, but you’re not fit to be allowed the use of deadly force. Here’s the pro-rated fraction of your retirement, find something else to do now. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
I’m not really a vengeful guy, but I hope this fucking guy ends up dying slowly under a bridge, alone, cold, wet, filthy, sick and wearing piss-soaked, shit crusted clothes.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@TenguPhule: Ahhh…my bad.
"Code"
is one way to do irony font.Uncle Ebeneezer
Speaking of cops, LA Sheriffs woo hoo:
Dave
@encephalopath: Apparently everyone can just reach into the same pocket dimension that Batman keeps all his gadgets. So really what else can a good officer do?
frosty fred
I was just on a jury panel for a couple of days; I was excused before I got the question (words to the effect, I didn’t take notes) “Do you consider members of the police or sheriff’s department to be more reliable than witnesses in general?” I was shocked by the responses, none of which was “Seriously?!” and most of which were tending towards “Yes, kind of.”
Duane
I realize I’m talking about Session here, but surely there’ll be federal charges. That’s nothing but murder. Unacceptable.
laura
But silently take a knee in public and that’s disrespectful and an affront to the flag and the troops and shitmidas.
aznfg
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/12/08/video-mesa-officer-fatally-shooting-unarmed-man-released-public/935468001/
Parts of the video were used by the defense during the trial. Brailsford had an excellent lawyer from Tucson who has gotten acquittals for several policemen in the past. The officer yelling commands quit the force and is now in the Philippines. I suspect a lot of the blame for the shooting was placed on him.
Duane
@Scamp Dog: Okay if you’re scared? My ass. Worse defense ever.
Mnemosyne
@aznfg:
I realize it’s a lawyer’s job to give a good defense, but I don’t know how that lawyer could watch that video and claim his client should pay no penalty whatsoever for killing a man as he begged on his knees for his life.
dc
@TenguPhule:
Three words: He was black.
Steeplejack
@dc:
Daniel Shaver was white.
dc
@dc: Oops, wrong again.
Mart
@MaxUtil: I think are lot of cops have very low IQ’s and emotional IQ’s. Dumb as fuck with a badge and a gun.
TenguPhule
@Duane:
Go back and read that statement again. One of those is not like the others. One of those does not belong.
TenguPhule
@aznfg:
Duarte saw his work and offered him a promotion and carte blanche.
Juju
@MaxUtil: I would like to point out that the manner in which the victim was directed to crawl forward towards the officer is increadibly difficult under ideal circumstances. I would have trouble crawling in an upright on my knees position with my arms and hands held straight up, without moving oddly at some point. The victim had a jerk yelling oddly phrased directions and threatening to kill him if he did one thing wrong, while pointing a heavy duty weapon at him. It seemed like the officer was looking for a reason to shoot.
I watched that video to the end and I missed that the victim put his hands near his waistband. If he did, it was probably a habitual tug at his pants to pull them up because he was crawling. I’d probably have done the same thing.
Dave
@Juju: Yup and when these fear driven assholes killed you for that it would be used to justify their actions. Pretty fucked up isn’t it. And a fair number of people would be ok with that.
m.j.
That was horrible.
Really horrible.
I can’t stop shaking my head. It’s so wrong.
I read a book not too long ago by Mary Roach called Grunt. One of the topics she covered was the inability of soldiers to deal effectively with a stressful situation because their fight-or-flight response has kicked in and their higher brain functions have shut down. Apparently, the military has never found an adequate solution to this problem. Training can’t overcome evolution.
Having said that, this cop was a zealous piece of shit who wanted desperately to shoot someone…anyone.
Ithink
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Whose song is that man?
Ithink
@germy:
But to be fair, this victim is white & King is a white nationalist in all but name only. Its an absolutely awful outrage all the same, but that’s a key distinction & difference to his selective reaction.
Hellbastard
What’s the line from cop apologists? The poor guy was reaching for a pistol? The office just wanted to go home to see his family at the end of the day? Absolutely sickening…
Grumpy Old Railroader
I thing previous posters have all missed the main issue. In criminal jury trials, the court is permitted (but not required) to instruct jurors that they can find the defendant guilty of the most serious crime charged, or of a lesser included offense of that crime. The real question is did the prosecution purposely overcharge the defendant and left lessor charges off the indictment thereby calculating the jury had no alternative to the charge of 2nd degree homicide other than acquittal? Said differently, if charged with the lessor crime of manslaughter he probably would have been convicted.
Redleg
Jeezus f-ing kee-riste. I am now sick to my stomach after seeing this cop murder this guy. What’s up with the assault rifle? Are cops so paranoid that they need military style weapons now?
Ithink
@TenguPhule:
Yes sir/ma’am! That too.
dmland12
There is so much evil in this world… and so many willing to turn a blind eye to it.