Cheryl wrote about the administration’s attempts to nuclearize the Middle East, but I just want to make sure something is crystal clear. Obviously, there are probably a ton of people trying to get filthy rich off this, and I am sure someone promised Trump or his family money somehow for this, but I think it is super important we remember why Trump signed off on this and is letting people pursue it.
It’s because one of Obama’s major issues was nuclear proliferation. It’s something he was interested in and pursued as a Senator, it is something he talked about frequently, and something he believe was extremely important. It’s one of the first things he pursued in 2009 in Prague, it’s why he worked so hard to achieve the Iran deal, it’s why he was very focused on the 2016 Nuclear Summit- it was a big deal for him.
Obviously, like everything, his record did not meet his goals, but goals are, you know, aspirational. But it was very, very important to him.
And that’s why Trump is doing everything he can to dismantle it. Sure, there are hawks who wanted to kill the Iran deal for a variety of reasons, but for Trump, it was because Obama’s admin negotiated it. It’s why Trump walked away from the INF. It’s why he is ok with this.
Everything Trump does is about Trump- of course he is surrounded by enablers and opportunists who realize he is a dolt who can be used to achieve their own ends, but Obama humiliated Trump at the WHCD several years ago, so everything that Obama has done must be destroyed.
It’s important we remember that with a narcissist and a sociopath like Trump, the motives are always right there in the open. There’s no reason to wrap yourself around an axle trying to figure out why Trump would be ok with this. It’s that simple- he’s doing it because Obama would oppose it. It’s the same with the fucking ACA and everything else.
He is doing whatever his boss in Russia wants. Dissing Obama is the cherry on top of the sundae.
All I can say is when you’ve lost Marc Thiessen…
At first I was going to skip it. Then the headline pulled me in. It’s worth the read.
It’s hard to accept that this is true, but the more I watch Trump, the more convinced I become that his overriding goal is to destroy Obama’s legacy. What a sicko! It must drive him crazy that Obama remains the most admired American man. Well, drive him crazier.
Golly gee. I hope this doesn’t hurt Trump’s chances for a Nobel Peace Prize.
I absolutely agree with John Cole’s sentiments here. It’s almost like a bad Twilight Zone episode that we live in a world in which a Child Emperor inches us closer to total destruction as he plays ego games and tries in vain to prove that he is superior to a black man.
God damn, I would love to see the history books a hundred years from now to see how historians viewed this era (and obviously, I’m an optimist here since I believe that we will survive Trump’s infantile madness).
Steve in the ATL
On a related note, it is NOT OK to wear light brown shoes with a navy blue suit.
Also, I am straight, for the record. As far as my wife knows.
If that’s all it is, why not just pay a couple of Russian hookers to pee on the nonproliferation treaty?
Re Thiessen, I never read him because he’s been such a Trump stooge, but I too was drawn in by the headline. I haven’t read the comments but think I’ll go check them out. I’m an inveterate comment reader especially here.
You are not wrong, Cole.??
Well, some guy named Ronald Wilson Reagan decided to make non-proliferation and arms control agreements a big issue too, back in the day. And the same kinds of profiteers and war junkies fought him tooth and nail on the issue, back in the day. Reagan was proclaimed by the always pro-war crowd to be not a true conservative, and betraying what he supposedly stood for, etc.
Reagan, despite all his other problems, and not being the sharpest blade the drawer, was able to stand up to them. Maybe he finally understood all the arms races that nearly lead to catastrophe and kept the world on the brink during the 1980s, long after any real need, were not worth it.
Reagan made a couple of big and right decisions, particualrly wrt to USSR/Russia, that rescued his administration, IMHO, from a GW Bush style disaster. Even if he kept up dabbling in sheer evil in, for example, Central America.
Of course that was the actual historical Ronald Reagan, not the zombie myth Reagan political deity waved around by the current crop of reactionaries. And, waved around in a disgustingly disrespectful and cynical way, even if you are very down on Reagan overall, who did vast harm with domestic policy and cynical use of race and other social divides as political tools, as I believe.
Probably no hope to get someone in Trump’s ear to explain that. No one to do it, or beyond Trump’s meager comprehension.
Obama should pay Trump rent for living in his head.
Forget this geopolitical frivolity. What happened at the groomer?
An ambulatory, shambling, incoherent representation of Cleek’s Law carved out of low-grade beef tallow and congealed bile.
Now that you mention it I seem to recall Trump talking up nukes for everyone either during the campaign or even before. Basically leveling the playing field or some such. It may have been driven by Obama, but I think it may a desire to blow something up. He has been quoted as asking why nukes are of the table.
Jessica Huseman (@JessicaHuseman) Tweeted:
A bill that would strip Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes of much of her authority over elections has passed the Kentucky Senate 27-8.
I’m going to slightly disagree – while he definitely wants to destroy everything Obama built, I don’t believe that the ASSet can spell “proliferation”, let alone comprehends what it means. I doubt he knows that Obama considered it really important since it wasn’t something particularly demagogued on Fox “News” (beyond the Iran Nuclear Agreement, which was about Iran-hatred not anti-non-proliferation). I think his nuclear agenda is more pure corruption and treason rather than Obama-related.
To the extent he is aware, it’s just icing on the cake.
@Pogonip: ‘ What happened at the groomer? ”
Cole survived. Everything else is trivia, unless you are into blood and gore porn for shits and giggles.
@schrodingers_cat: True, but I also think Trumpov believes that if the ni-CLANG can do it, then surely he can do it better! Plus Obama said some mean things about him once, so he needs to shit on everything Obama ever did. If he can dismantle Obama’s signature accomplishments, well it’s all good! If it also helps his bosses goals, well that’s the real cherry on top.
Steve in the ATL
@Betty Cracker: pink slime!
@JaySinWA: Thanks for the reminder. Trump is influenced by Russia and Saudi Arabia.
But with Trump it is always just more bad news. Old media clips show Trump committed to lots of ignorant irresponsible and fantastical BS on international trade and finance, international security issues, for decades.
Besides die hard bigot, die hard ignorant and stupid nutcase is deep in the marrow of his bones. Whatever deals he as with whatever countries is just layered on top of that bone deep nuttery.
@Steve in the ATL:
Nice touch leaving out the quotation marks.
Not to quibble, but I think you are giving him too much credit here.
Jeez, John, it’s almost as if you think the Traitor-in-Chief might also be racist. Naturally, you’d be worng, because Shitgibbon itself has said it’s “the least racist person ever!”
Steve in the ATL
@SFAW: wife, beard; tomato, tomahto
Shouldn’t nuclear proliferation be everyone’s major issue given how devastating a nuclear war would be? Stopping nuclear weapons from getting into the wrong hands should be a nonpartisan issue. Sigh.
Has Trump lost any major donors who backed him for the 2016 campaign?
@Steve in the ATL:
Ipso facto, QED, and LS/MFT
Mitch’s final revenge? Even though the bastard won easily I seldom enjoyed anything more than Lundergan Grimes carving his saggy ass into slivers during that barn thing they do in Kentucky.
Grimes is in trouble because of a ProPublica report that she abused her power.
@SFAW: Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobbaco
Wilmer has certain people not thinking right. Paste Mag’s Shane Ryan is as good a television writer as he is a shitty political strategist. And I do mean shitty.
I think these things tend to be overdetermined. There are several different groups each of which has a reason for wanting something to happen, and it happens when they all get together. So there are hawks who want to use Saudi Arabia as a bulwark against Iran, nuclear power plant builders who want business, etc. They’re able to talk Trump into taking their side by selling it as undoing Obama’s signature achievement, but he is the one being convinced to go along, not the one doing the convincing. He wouldn’t know that nuclear nonproliferation was a big issue for Obama if the people who wanted it undone weren’t telling him that.
Is this another instance of limiting a political position instead of dealing with the person in the position? Because that always turns out great.
@Aleta: “Mr. Berman….C’MON DOWWWWWNNN!!!”
Wajahat Ali (@WajahatAli) Tweeted:
Covered the DNC 16 and interviewed many Bernie Bros. Their main concern was TPP. I asked about Trump’s hostile racist agenda; they didnt really think it was important. On election night one supporter said, “Good Trump won. Now people will learn.” Worth mentioning all were White.
@Betty Cracker: I haven’t had dinner yet so I’m going to try to forget that image, as fitting as it is.
He will or he won’t. Predictions aren’t worth the toilet paper they’re written on.
I for one have learned something about these folks.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
Boner too. Boner been screwing over ant-nuclear proliferation treaties since the Reagan admin. It’s like idiots think the game Fallout is some kind of goal and not a warning.
@Roger Moore: +1.
The Saudis want a nuclear weapon yesterday because nobody’s gone to war with Iran yet – if they can’t buy a few from Pakistan, they want to build their own. The DeVos/Prince clan wants to get their private army mojo going again; Flynn and Manafort and all the rest of the grifters still want their piece of the pie; and Donnie wants his giant hotels in Riyadh and the Emirates and everywhere else the oligarchs have money stashed away.
It is indeed over-determined. I don’t think Donnie cares about Obama any more, accomplishments or no (‘Billy, look, you just tell them and they believe it. That’s it: you just tell them and they believe. They just do.’).
Ralph Nader supporters said the same thing.
I am so petty that when President Obama tweets something like remembering the anniversary of the Parkland massacre, I always want to quote tweet it at the current occupant of the WH, with a message like: his tweet got 479K likes and yours only got 72K. How’s it feel to be so much less popular?
@rikyrah: The comments on that tweet are something. They’re all, “Nope. It’s all lies. More women and POC support Bernie than anyone else.” I’m not making the effort to see if they’re bots but either way they’re swarming.
It’s probably technically true because all the polls right now are about name recognition. Biden is the front runner in every poll for that reason.
Anyone know anything about Faiz Shakir?
WV teachers to continue strike due to “trust issues” between the union and the GOP folks in the WV House and Senate.
White & Gold Purgatorian
Wilmer’s campaign is crowing about big haul of $$$ today and claiming they surpassed Kamala Harris’ first day donors in only 4 hours or some such nonsense. No word on how much of his haul is laundered Russian money. Anyway, the craziness inspired me to finally get off the dime and make smallish contributions to my top three current faves, namely Warren, Klobuchar and Harris. Gawd I hope we are smarter this time around.
Steve in the ATL
@Yarrow: Russian stooge, based on the job he’s taking
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
Not to derail, but has anybody seen “Justice” Thomas’ call for a “reconsideration” of libel law regarding public figures?
And just letting you all know that my John is home. It really was a very minor stroke. Few restrictions other than a couple weeks off work and outpatient speech therapy. Will be eating an aspirin every day and taking Plavix for the next month or so. They expect full recovery and don’t see any issues with any blockages. All his numbers are great. Said it was probably a minuscule blood vessel in the verbal part of his brain that got clogged with an even more minuscule clot and it may never cause another problem. Thank the FSM! And thanks to all the Jackals who sent good thoughts.
Just as pretty much, the next Democratic Presidential administration is going to have to use an unfortunately huge portion of its political capital and time in office to undo most of what Trump did in his (hopefully) four or fewer years in office. Should we get a Senate majority and keep our house majority, it will also be essential to neuter McConnell’s ability to destructively impair this essential reconstruction and reform the democrats must successfully undertake.
Dammit, can someone release me from moderation? I stupidly named a particular blood thinner.
Dammit, second time in moderation. Wrong email address. Can my first comment be released please?
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Steve in the ATL: I thought straight guys also knew this combination was wrong. Of course, admittedly I know some weird straight guys.
@Yarrow: Has seal of approval from Dana Houle, who tends to be establishment Democratic.
@trollhattan: I call Paste “Eat Paste”, because they have content like that.
I don’t think this is about Obama. I believe it’s two-fold. He loves the idea of holding the power of life & death. It’s in everything he does & says. He also aligns with dictators. Not with America. With him as the autocratic ruler of America. And the GOP are doing nothing to prevent this, because they know they’ve nearly finished fucking over democracy and gotten to be the rulers through court appointments and appointees in government. They’re mostly done with their coup. It’s just a matter of time. Being a huge asshole country willing to destroy the planet with a surplus of nuclear weapons appeals to them all the way to the youngest fuck yeah conservative.
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion:
Clarence Thomas declares war on the very idea of a free press
Majority of murkkka had, and still has, Obama Derangement Syndrome and the rabid racist pos is their natural shithead.
The hypocrisy is so blatant. Justice Thomas is a political hack and he doesn’t care that it shows. This is just another reason why the next Democratic President must expand SCOTUS.
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion:
I am not necessarily against it. The current standard allows people to say horrible, almost certainly made up shit about people. It is a “knowing” standard for public figures. A better standard would be a “reckless” standard. That standard was part of Sullivan, but got wiped out in later cases.
Right now, Fox can put (D) after every indicted politician and say, ooopsie. Because of Sullivan
@Yutsano: I just came here to link to/excerpt the very same thing…except my take on it was this: it doesn’t sound like Thiessen at all. I think he got most of it handed to him from some RWNJ think tank like Heritage or something.
See what the rest of y’all think:
I mean, choose the Constitution over trumpov? That is NOT Thiessen. He either got handed some major talking points/a first draft/the entire thing, or he’s quite scared that trumpov really is going to either drag the GOP down into the depths in 2020 or open the door for the liberal GND, gun-grabbing, and more.
Somethin’ ain’t right here, though
Paid Wilmer troll as of the first check.
@jl: Why else would I read this site? ?
@JaySinWA: He’s on the record from way back as wanting the US and USSR to have all the nukes, keeping the rest of the world in check for them to rule/loot/lord over. Fits his pathology to a T (so to speak)
@The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion: No, I hadn’t; there’s so much precedent otherwise I doubt it’ll
I tend to agree with Roger Moore, but let me go a little further. It’s possible that multiple motives come together in this nuke sales thing.
1. Trump’s and Kushner’s greed
2. Wanting to destroy Obama’s legacy
3. Pressure from groups that want to sell stuff
And I think there’s a big fourth thing that we can’t fully see yet. A few years back, I did a post on the reactors that Russia was “selling.” They had an, um, interesting business model: they would front all the capital for building, and then the operations of the plant would allow countries to pay them back. At the time, what they had in their order book would have broken the Russian economy. As might have been expected, not all those “sales” panned out.
So I was very aware of KSA’s desire for 16 reactors and noticed when folks with no experience in such things (including Michael Flynn, but predated by others) tried to broker deals with KSA. First, KSA doesn’t need 16 reactors for power. Second, the brokers were brokering Russian and Chinese reactors. And then the price of oil went down, and KSA could no longer afford those 16 reactors.
Why does a company that has no experience in a field try to insert themselves that way? It’s not unknown; I dealt with firms like that in environmental cleanups, although I have to say that I avoided contracting with them like the plague. Their only function is to scrape their profit off the top and get in the way of getting something done.
But then Flynn got involved, and Flynn was part of Trump’s machine. One of a presidential candidate’s guys selling Russian reactors? And then Flynn got into his own species of trouble, not having to do with nuclear reactors. Or? In order to sell Russian reactors, sanctions would have needed to be lifted.
And there’s all the rest – Jared’s and Erik Prince’s involvement, the excessive Trump affinity for Saudi Arabia.
It never was clear to me how those deals were to be structured, and one possibility was that with the large amounts of money and uncertainties in building nuclear reactors, this could have been a route to money laundering, perhaps even that fee from Rosneft mentioned in the Steele dossier.
I’ve enlarged that view now. Trump clearly has a special relationship with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, which may simply be that they have lent him money when he badly needed it, or there may be money laundering as well. Or they all want to make war on Iran. Or all of the above. Very much like Trump’s relationship with Russia, and much more than simple spite against Obama.
I’m interested in the fact that Wilmer Bros went to Reddit to Freep the GOS straw poll today.
Someone has messy pants.
Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) Tweeted:
CNN has hired as “commentators”:
* Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski
* Trump campaign staffer and Putin image consultant Michael Caputo
* Racist Jeffrey Lord who was fired only after he literally tweeted “sieg hiel”
Of course they hired a Jeff Sessions operative.
This is a good idea. Much more predictive, and in their control.
@Steve in the ATL:
Italians can pull it off. No one else can.
The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) Tweeted:
Don Newcombe, pitching star who later led programs to treat substance abuse, dies at 92
??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??
Some idiot classmate of mine asked today re: the WV teacher strike, “Couldn’t they wait until summer?” I was like um, no, because the shitty bill the R Senate is trying to ram through is being voted on today.
Carlos Maza (@gaywonk) Tweeted:
This thread is jaw-dropping.
CNN didn’t just hire a Republican operative to be their politics editor — they hired a serial misinformer:
@plato: Yep, that is why he was elected twice.
Mike in NC
Tonight’s ABC News prominently mentioned “Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT)” running in 2020.
@Kay: How would that work? Should Obama had said he was going to name Hillary SoS during the campaign?
@Mike in NC: He is when it’s convenient for him, like now.
Doesn’t anyone remember “nuclear winter”???? Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone..
. so to speak.
@geg6: Been thinking of you. How is your John doing today?
For what it’s worth my college age daughter and her friend both said “Ugh” when they heard Bernie was running. I don’t think he’ll get such a enthusiastic following from the college crowd as he did the last time. The girls both like Elizabeth Warren. A lot of women are done with loud mouth patronizing men. My college son also likes Warren. I’m for Kamala Harris. If Beto runs, Bernie’s pretty much bye bye.
Somebody send this to Elizabeth Warren- this is the perfect scandal for her:
The Democrats are getting a lot of attention now and we have so many running they can divvy up targets and focus on one or two. Warren should get DeVos. Perfect fit.
@Steve in the ATL: Heh. No kidding.
@Gwangung: Thanks. That’s interesting.
So the douche who arrogantly stared down an elderly Native American man is suing media outlets for making him look like a douche. He’s claiming that they portrayed him negatively because he is White. (Arghhh). Thankfully, Washington Post is going to vigorously defend its reporting of the incident between the Covington students and Nathan Phillips. What a nerve he has to try to play the victim.
I honestly can’t think of any reason to prefer Bernie over Warren. She is better than him in every way.
@??? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ??:
Somebody doesn’t understand how strikes work. Even assuming you don’t have an imminent issue (as was the case in WV) you try to schedule your strike when you have the most leverage, which means holding the strike when it will hurt the employer the most. Asking teachers to strike in the summer is like asking athletes to strike during the off season. They can do it, but they won’t achieve anything that way.
@trollhattan: Do you have to eat paste to write for Paste?
@Patricia Kayden: Wow. Suing for $250 million.
No, not a real appointment. A group of people they think would be good. So, yeah, Obama could have said “I think Senator Clinton would be super” or whatever. It would be informative!
They could also slyly diss one another- “well, I like Amy Klobuchar for Secretary of Transportation, Jake”.
This might just also descend into nasty infighting and hysteria, so there’s a downside :)
Bernie fucking Sanders is 77 years old. Now. In 2020 he will be pushing 80.
Oh well, it just means that I will not have to knock on a single door for the cranky old fart. If that’s the best the dems can do, so be it. WASF.
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@Omnes Omnibus: Italians can pull so much off that no one else can. It’s almost unfair.
@rk: Speaking of Beto:
Begins with T and ends with N, and means BETRAYING YOUR COUNTRY!???
Vox (@voxdotcom) Tweeted:
CNN’s new political editor, Sarah Isgur, once referred to her future employer as the “Clinton News Network,” and has used false claims and conspiracies to demean Democrats.
She’ll coordinate the network’s 2020 coverage on TV and online. https://t.co/e5aqudAv1P https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1097961547714957312?s=17
The more the merrier. I’m happy we have some seriously good people running. Hopefully Bernie will get lost in the crowd and not think of running as an independent.
@rk: John Cornyn (the TX Senator up for reelection in 2020) needs an opponent. I just can’t decide if Beto should run again for Senate.
@pat: @trollhattan: My anecdata: most of the Ds around me who were for BS here are in the Warren camp now. He is not going to do as well as he did last time. BS won the primary in my small town in Western MA.
Yep, us of a is a nonracist haven. Obama’s election proved it.
Having a shadow cabinet would make sense after the primary is over. I suppose primary candidates could have provisional shadow cabinets, or at least have some positions in their hypothetical cabinets in mind already.
I have always said that Thomas was far worse than Scalia. You just never spent his time publicly ranting his more insane beliefs the way Fat Tony did.
In 2016, Bernie Sanders proved that he’s an incompetent boob, and he doesn’t stand a chance against the current field. In 2016, it was Hillary or Bernie, so he got the non-establishment energy. But he actually ran a pretty shitty campaign, full of grift and not particularly organized. He didn’t think deeply about policy or about campaigning; he was very Trump-like in this regard. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren aren’t lazy or disorganized. They have plans, and they’re executing them aggressively. Most of the others aren’t lazy or disorganized either, although they might not be as well funded.
In 2016, Sanders was on the same stage as Hillary because there was no one else. In 2019/2020, the stage is going to be too crowded for a guy as underprepared as he is.
Someone needs to ask Faiz Shakir the ACLU stalwart and longtime Democrat why he supports a guy running for the nomination of a party he refuses to join.
@Plato: Wow, that big a misrepresentation of what I wrote has to be willful.
News of the Saudi deal – with reports and comments unclear whether it was stopped or it’s ongoing; and further reports that Trump as well as a lot of other RWNJs stand to make a lot of money on the deal – is the last straw on the camel’s back for me.
I. Just. Can’t. Anymore.
Democrats control the House, but all they can do is some damage control. No legislation from the House will make it though the Senate – but stacking the federal court system with corrupt, savage, cruel neo-confederates will continue, because the Senate confirms judges.
I don’t think Mueller is going to do anything big enough, fast enough. The Mueller investigation results, when and if we ever get any, are going to be after the fact and beside the point. The damage will have already been done.
The MSM learned nothing from 2016 – rather, it learned how to make a lot of money. That’s the only lesson it learned, and it’s already putting out the same insipid, insultingly dumb, trivial shit it did in 2016.
I just can’t anymore. It’s too much unadulterated cruelty, greed, and gleeful malice. Everyone in the Trump Administration, and everyone in the entire GOP, are members of a species 100% lethal to all life, hope, and joy.
I need to go do some serious drinking.
@Omnes Omnibus: Contrarian crap cuts both ways. Deal with it.
Steve in the ATL
@Omnes Omnibus: so Plato didn’t nail it?
He has manipulative advisors who would play (and probably have played) the “Obama did it” card. (Bolton, Miller come to mind but there are others.)
@Steve in the ATL: I have been annoyed by that dude since I first had to read him my freshman year in college.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
@geg6: I’m so glad to see this! May everything go as smoothly as it can from here on out.
a thousand flouncing lurkers (was fidelio)
Oops, I misspelled myself and am in moderation.