Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

New McCarthy, same old McCarthyism.

Peak wingnut was a lie.

We still have time to mess this up!

if you can’t see it, then you are useless in the fight to stop it.

Perhaps you mistook them for somebody who gives a damn.

Whoever he was, that guy was nuts.

Americans barely caring about Afghanistan is so last month.

A Senator Walker would be an insult to the state and the nation.

The party of Reagan has become the party of Putin.

Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Fuck these fucking interesting times.

Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.

Jesus, Mary, & Joseph how is that election even close?

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

The cruelty is the point; the law be damned.

Infrastructure week. at last.

Republicans do not pay their debts.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

Just because you believe it, that doesn’t make it true.

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Reality always lies in wait for … Democrats.

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Thursday Morning Open Thread: Tell It, Senator Warren!

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As is her wont, Warren is serving as point-person here. And — as is hers — Speaker Pelosi is proceeding, with all due deliberation, along the same path:

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  6. 6.

    SFAW

    @Mary G:
    “Wimp” Pelosi should be DEMANDING that Barr impeach himself, and that Rump SELF-IMPEACH and SELF-CONVICT!!!!! True Dems didn’t elect her to be a shill for the Rethugs! Is anyone checking her E-MAILS??!?! Why won’t she just send the Marshal of the Supreme Court House of Representatives to arrest the Traitor-in-Chief!!!!

    etc.

  7. 7.

    Baud

    A conservative Christian group is pushing Bible classes in public schools nationwide — and it’s working
    …..
    Scenes of Bible classes in public school could become increasingly common across the United States if other states follow Kentucky’s lead in passing legislation that encourages high schools to teach the Bible.

    Activists on the religious right, through their legislative effort Project Blitz, drafted a law that encourages Bible classes in public schools and persuaded at least 10 state legislatures to introduce versions of it this year. Georgia and Arkansas recently passed bills that are awaiting their governors’ signatures.
    ……
    According to Americans United’s analysis of the texts of state Bible-class bills, all but South Carolina’s — which includes permission to teach alternatives to evolution, along with “religions of the world” — focus on the Christian Bible.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/a-conservative-christian-group-is-pushing-bible-classes-in-public-schools-nationwide–and-its-working/2019/05/08/f3bb490e-39e8-11e9-a06c-3ec8ed509d15_story.html

  9. 9.

    WereBear

    Yep. Damp cold is the worst. Also, it is crisp in the morning, and by the time a person leaves work, it is sunny and warm and the jacket gets forgotten at work.

    I’m amassing a collection.

  13. 13.

    Derelict

    Yes, impeaching Trump seems to be popular with the Democratic base. And the one thing no Democratic politician EVER wants to do is please the Democratic base. For Democrats, pleasing your base voters is suicide. You MUST take center-Right or even Rightwing positions.

    For Republicans, of course, pleasing your base is always top priority, no matter how extreme-Right the base becomes.

  14. 14.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Haysoos fucking Chrispo:

    Elija Godwin was participating in a drill in which he and his teammates were sprinting backwards when he ran into the javelin, which had been left pointing out of the ground at an angle. The accident left Godwin with wounds to his back and shoulder and collapsed his left lung. Emergency services attended to him and ground off part of the javelin before he was taken to hospital where the rest of it was removed by surgeons.
    …………………………………….
    Georgia’s athletic director, Greg McGarity, said no one was to blame for the incident. “It was truly an accident,” McGarity said. “Nobody threw anything or anything like that.”

    Yeah, sure, nobody is to blame here, certainly not the coach who had nothing to do with his sprinters running backwards towards a javelin that nobody at all left sticking up out of the ground at an angle.

  16. 16.

    NotMax

    @OzarkHillbilly

    Knees, the ficklest of joints. Can’t live with ’em,. can’t live without ’em.

    And they always decide to act up at the most inopportune times.

  19. 19.

    SFAW

    @Mary G:

    Warren is on the next cover of Time.

    I would love to see the cover say something like “Smarter Than Trump” or something which would similarly drive the Traitor-in-Chief to apoplexy.

  20. 20.

    NotMax

    @Mary G

    Does TIME even still maintain a newsstand edition of any reach? And if so, is it destined for any more than staring up at parakeets’ butts?

  21. 21.

    Immanentize

    @Baud: pointy sticks in the ground helped Henry V beat the French. Maybe it was a combined Track Practice/History/English class. You know how cuts have affected curriculum….

  22. 22.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @Baud: Everybody in construction has an impalement story and while the middle parts and the endings vary in often surprising ways, they all begin exactly the same: “Some fucking idiot…”

  25. 25.

    SFAW

    @Immanentize:

    Sadly, Time might feel it must somehow slip “DNA” into the caption.

    Although I understand your trepidation (so to speak), I doubt they’d be THAT stupid.

    Of course, I’ve been wrong more than a few times in the past.

  26. 26.

    Immanentize

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    The coach’s answer was pure litigation advice. Dare I say some Lawyer coached him. Too bad it wasn’t at the music festival because then I could have written the headline:
    Coach Coached at Coachella.

  27. 27.

    Jeffro

    @Baud: Sometimes, it’s hard to believe it’s the 21st century.

    However, I’m not sure that “nationwide” = “Georgia, South Carolina, Arkansas, and Kentucky” (not arguing with you, I’m arguing with the author’s unwillingness to say “schools in the South”).

    ETA yes, there’s a brief mention of North Dakota…still…

  28. 28.

    mrmoshpotato

    @OzarkHillbilly: Let he who has thrown javelins and always remembered to retrieve them cast the first…

    Wait! What the fuck? How do you not see a 6-foot spear sticking out of the ground? Especially when you’re about to send people running toward it in a non-battle situation?

    Glad a full recovery is expected.

  29. 29.

    mrmoshpotato

    @NotMax:

    Knees, the ficklest of joints. Can’t live with ’em,.

    I have questions – many, many questions.

  32. 32.

    SFAW

    @Immanentize:

    Coach Coached at Coachella.

    I can’t decide if you deserve a two-minute penalty, a five-minute major, or a game misconduct for that one.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    Coding fix.

    Soo-prixe, soo-prize.

    Nationally, the Census Bureau plans to cut the number of local offices in half compared to 2010, with workers condensed into fewer offices. The bureau also expects to hire fewer enumerators — the staff who do the follow-up work when people don’t respond to census information requests — than in 2010. Source

  41. 41.

    mrmoshpotato

    @SFAW:

    I can’t decide if you deserve a two-minute penalty, a five-minute major, or a game misconduct for that one.

    I’m leaning toward being the first person to return to the moon.

  44. 44.

    SFAW

    @mrmoshpotato:

    I’m leaning toward being the first person to return to the moon.

    As in “One of these days, Alice Imma, TO THE MOON!” ??

  45. 45.

    OldDave

    @SFAW:

    I can’t decide if you deserve a two-minute penalty, a five-minute major, or a game misconduct for that one.

    Double minor – it drew blood.

  47. 47.

    SFAW

    @Immanentize:

    I’ve seen worse. Skate on!

    Hell, I’ve done worse. But it’s still an infraction, unless you’re in the bag for [pick a team].

  48. 48.

    RAVEN

    @OzarkHillbilly: Just a FYI

    The injury was caused after Godwin ran into the javelin as he and his fellow sprinters did backward sprints on the track, according to police. The javelin had been “left on the ground at an angle” and Godwin was moving fast as he fell into it. The rear part of the javelin caused the injury, which resulted in “a large amount of blood in the grass.”

  50. 50.

    Patricia Kayden

    @Mary G: We’re not screaming. I think some of us are just feeling frustrated. It appears that Trump and his imps are getting away with lawlessness. Hopefully, something will change. And soon.

  52. 52.

    germy

    Ainsley Earhardt on the NY Times story about Trump's $1 billion+ in business losses: "If anything, you read this and you're like 'wow, it's pretty impressive, all the things that he's done in his life.' It's beyond what most of us could ever achieve." pic.twitter.com/H4QQOWJewm— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) May 8, 2019

    Imagining a “Fox & Friends” segment about how it’s actually impressive and cool that a pelican stole Mr. Trump’s hamburger, then his pants split and fell down while he was chasing the pelican, then he fell down because of the pants https://t.co/fJ0IFdOgsE— Patrick Monahan (@pattymo) May 8, 2019

  55. 55.

    satby

    Good morning, good morning, good morning! I was supposed to drive to Chicago for dinner yesterday on my day off but my son cancelled because it was supposed to rain. Of course it turned out to be a gorgeous sunny day. Now it’s raining and will continue all day, and I have to go after I get done at the market today.
    At least I got more stuff planted yesterday.

  58. 58.

    germy

    a truck cut me off earlier and I’ve been on hold with 1-800-EAT-SHIT for over an hour now— dan mentos (@DanMentos) May 8, 2019

  61. 61.

    Raven

    @NotMax: I’ve got a nice “ice sleeve” on my elbow right now. This constant casting is killing but I gotta press one.

  69. 69.

    NotMax

    @Raven

    While I can understand your dedication would also note the agony is a telegraph message perhaps better not ignored.

  72. 72.

    Ken

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Britain’s equivalent to Tutankhamun found in Southend-on-Sea

    For true equivalence, the artifacts should be displayed in Cairo for the next eighty years, then slowly sent back to British museums.

  73. 73.

    Amir Khalid

    @Immanentize:
    It would seem self-evident that someone left that javelin sticking dangerously out of the ground after practice. If the javelin was university property, then someone on the university staff, probably a javelin coach, signed it out of storage and was responsible for it. That particular someone was negligent, and will be found out as soon as the university looks through the duty roster and equipment records. Although the sprint coach is probably not quite out of the woods themselves since they didn’t ensure the field was safe for the exercise.

  77. 77.

    mrmoshpotato

    @Baud: Can I interest you in an 18-month horserace? I swear it won’t drive you to madness.

    Why did my phone try to capitalize ‘madness?’

  78. 78.

    OzarkHillbilly

    @RAVEN: I had assumed it was the blunt end of the javelin that did the damage. You’d be surprised how easily a 2′ piece of #5 rebar will go thru a man when he falls on it from a ht of 4′.

  79. 79.

    germy

    The NBC station in Austin had Sandra Bland's cell phone video **19 months ago** but didn't publish it https://t.co/sgUEbUdtCV pic.twitter.com/BLX7sk71er— David Uberti (@DavidUberti) May 8, 2019

    KXAN is owned by Nexstar, the number 2 owner of local TV stations in the country behind Sinclair and is based in Irving, TX.
    If you thought for a moment that evidence of TX cops being a national racist scandal was going to be released by a TX station owned by a TX media giant… https://t.co/VHTiykyjTo— The Full Zandar Report (@ZandarVTS) May 8, 2019

  82. 82.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @Baud: some of these polls are goofy.

    “The Hill” published one this week that was in reality an internet poll and not a random sample of the population contacted by landlines and cell phones and weighed by historical demographic turnout.

    One poll I saw last week that had Dump up in his approvals, but it drastically over sampled Independents (41%) versus historic behavior of Independent voters (31% in 2016, 30% in 2018).

  84. 84.

    SFAW

    @rikyrah:

    The Red Sox visit the white house today less all of their players of color.

    As well as their manager (Alex Cora), I believe, who is sitting it out as a protest for the treatment his home received (and is still receiving) — the place the Fuckhead-in-Chief called, in his assholish, exaggerated manner, “Pooo-AIR-toe REE-co.”

  86. 86.

    Ceci n est pas mon nym

    @Steve in the ATL: It rained all week when I was in Galway a couple summers ago but the Irish know how to handle miserable cold rain: go into the pub, listen to local musicians jamming, and have a hot tea or an Irish coffee.

  87. 87.

    mrmoshpotato

    @rikyrah: I turn them on if I think I misheard something.

    Aside – Vocal inflection on the audio description tracks can be unintentionally hilarious.

  88. 88.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @rikyrah:

    The Red Sox visit the white house today less all of their players of color.

    many, many people are now referring to Boston players visiting Dump as the “White” Sox

  89. 89.

    zhena gogolia

    @Mary G:

    When I look at a twitter feed, I definitely feel as if there are Russian bots pushing this line.

  90. 90.

    tobie

    @NotMax: I’ve been wondering if, come Jan 20, 2021, we have the good fortune to have a Democrat in the White House, can she just cancel the Trump administration’s census plans and put in her own?

  92. 92.

    Kathleen

    @Baud: Good Morning Baud and Jackals.

    Punditlandia response to dats: “Good news for Republicans,”

  94. 94.

    tobie

    @rikyrah: If people prove to be happy with a Medicare buy in, they will clamor for a redesign of the entire health system. But until they have this experience, they will go with what they know and feel is safe.

  95. 95.

    OzarkHillbilly

    Kelvin Bilal Fawaz, an amateur boxing champion who has fought in the England vest six times, has been arrested and locked in an immigration detention centre without crucial mental health medication. The 31-year-old, who has been in the UK for 17 years since he was brought from his home in Nigeria as a child, abandoned and forced into domestic slavery, was arrested without warning on Tuesday when he attended the Becket House reporting centre in central London.

    He said he had been told his arrest was pending an interview with the Nigerian high commission on Thursday: a country which has already said it will not accept Fawaz because he is not a citizen. “I don’t understand why they had to arrest me,” he told the Guardian from Brook House immigration removal centre in Crawley, West Sussex. “I’ve never broken a single condition put on me by the Home Office. If they’d told me to attend an interview with the Nigerian high commission, I would have done. But they didn’t tell me or my lawyer: they just arrested me without warning. I’m just so depressed and – without the medication I have been on for depression since 2013 – I’m terrified what will happen to me tonight.”
    ………………………………
    Although the Nigerian government has rejected his applications for a passport and he holds no other, his application to be considered stateless has been rejected by the British government. The Home Office has also repeatedly refused to issue Fawaz a work visa, forcing him to live in extreme poverty. The boxer has been trying to establish his nationality since the period of discretionary leave he was granted as a child expired when he turned 18. He has repeatedly written to the high commissions in Nigeria as well as to commissions in the birthplaces of his parents – Lebanon and Benin, which borders Nigeria.

    However, the Home Office has rejected evidence collected by Fawaz and has repeatedly delayed taking key decisions: it took four years to rule on an application he made in 2006 and another four to rule on an appeal he made in 2010. In 2012, Fawaz married his partner of six years, a British citizen. He applied for a spousal visa but the Home Office declared the marriage void because he had married while his immigration status was insecure.
    ……………………………..
    Fawaz has never been to prison. In his late teens and early 20s, he received convictions for minor offences such as cannabis possession, driving without insurance and spraying graffiti. Fawaz points out that he has never received a harsher sentence than community service, and argues that he is a reformed character.

    A Home Office spokesperson said: “The Home Office has a duty to protect the public by removing those who commit criminal offences.”

    Some years back my youngest gave me a novel about the 7 levels of death (as best I recall anyway) By my counting this poor guy is on level 5.

  96. 96.

    PenAndKey

    @rikyrah: we used them all the time in my home when watching a movie with my son running around like the crazy child he was. At the time it was the only way to catch the dialogue without cranking th volume so high it ticked off the neighbors. It also oddly enough, helped him learn to read. Win.

  99. 99.

    SFAW

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Stormy Daniels talks about Trump and ‘the worst 90 seconds of my life’ on standup tour

    75 seconds of which involved her using a Q-Tip to clean up after the Needledick-in-Chief

  100. 100.

    SFAW

    @Dorothy A. Winsor:

    Does no one over there know anything?

    Someone should ask Jethrene about the rumored appointment of Eustace Dunning-Kruger as the new “Secretary of Being Smart But Not ‘Stable Genius’ Smart.Because NO ONE IS SMARTER Than Himself”

  102. 102.

    MomSense

    @rikyrah:

    We all know it won’t stop with joking about killing immigrants. During the 2016 campaign he joked about 2nd amendment solutions for Hillary Clinton. Why not joking about killing journalists or Democrats or prosecutors?

  104. 104.

    kindness

    I’m a little taken aback & tired of the people slamming Nancy Pelosi. Nancy isn’t against impeachment, she just wants to get all the evidence out there so the bulk of America is on our side. Just like they had to do with Nixon and Watergate. Nancy is right in that if Trump were charged with impeachment and all the dirt wasn’t there to come out, it may very well help Trump with the yokels in the 2020 elections. This isn’t rocket science imho.

  106. 106.

    tobie

    @kindness: I agree with you. Pelosi is trying to find a way to move the public toward impeachment. She had good reason to assume there would be robust investigations following the release of the Mueller report, but with Trump’s stonewalling she will have to think of new tactics. I trust her on this. Last night Jeff Merkley called for the creation of special committee in the House devoted to the Mueller report but stopped short of calling for impeachment.

    Democrats are in a tough position: they see the urgency of acting before the story gets stale and at the same time they see that the public’s not with them and if they move forward with impeachment, the cries of witch hunt will grow louder and become more persuasive. It’s a tough situation and I’m not going to Monday-morning quarterback it.

  107. 107.

    schrodingers_cat

    @rikyrah: For all our immigrant mythology, the last 3 years have demonstrated how much people really care about immigrants.
    The only immigrants most care about are their dead forefathers.
    How many people on the supposedly good side were willingly to throw away the rights of the current immigrants including who they can sponsor for an absolutely shitty deal with the Liar-in-chief.

  110. 110.

    rikyrah

    This new Georgia law is straight out of the Handmaid’s Tale – potential life in prison for a miscarriage? Or for leaving the state to terminate a pregnancy? And there’s more: https://t.co/nYsyxV8Nby pic.twitter.com/uNs2jHlwRA

    — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) May 9, 2019

  116. 116.

    rikyrah

    Uh huh
    Uh huh ??

    “Black and Hispanic players and coaches are expected to justify their reasons for not going to Trump’s White House. But the real question is: Why have so many of the white players on the Red Sox chosen not to support their black and brown teammates?” https://t.co/RbsVd9SE7W

    — Eugene Scott (@Eugene_Scott) May 8, 2019

  118. 118.

    rikyrah

    Stelter wrote that women were being ‘hysterical’ comparing the GOP and predicting the coming of The Handmaid’s Tale.

    ……………………..

    Uh huh ??

    I’d like @brianstelter to print this tweet out, and then eat the entire printed page. Because women in Georgia are about to be imprisoned for up to ten years for going out of state to obtain a legal abortion and anyone who helps them charged as accessories. Gaslighting garbage. pic.twitter.com/nu6Pbm2RZN

    — Allison Floyd (@AllisonRFloyd) May 8, 2019

  120. 120.

    J R in WV

    @Baud:

    Which “Bible”? I got nothing to say… but I bet other religions don’t care for it much if at all. I wouldn’t touch it with a long stick, personally. And how likely are kids who don’t want to take Bible classes to get beat up by the Christian kids?

    Seems Evil to teach one religion without others for comparison. Especially since today’s Christians seem to have perverted their own religion beyond recognition. If they only used the red letter texts…? How are they going to deal with the inherent contradictions? Guess I had more to say than I thought…

    I thought it was unconstitutional for government to establish a religion? Shows how much I know… Oy, yeh:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…

  122. 122.

    tokyokie

    @rikyrah: Let’s not forget which was the last team in Major League baseball to integrate. (Pumpsie Green in 1959.)

  123. 123.

    tobie

    I just came across this article about Beto’s visit to Minnesota and, like every other news item I’ve read about him of late, he just seems like a genuinely nice guy:

    Before Beto O’Rourke arrived in Minnesota for his first visit on Wednesday, he called Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a competitor for the Democratic presidential nomination.

    “I told her I’d be coming up here,” O’Rourke, who represented Texas in the U.S. House, said in an interview with the Star Tribune. “She’s extraordinary and I really like her a lot.”

    I also think he’s very smart. Harris, Booker, and Beto are consistently positive about all the Democratic candidates so I’m happy to put the at the top of my list.

  124. 124.

    Mike in Pasadena

    “The truth is too simple: one must always get there by a complicated route.” George Sand

    Quoted on my May calendar.

  125. 125.

    J R in WV

    @NotMax:

    Nationally, the Census Bureau plans to cut the number of local offices in half compared to 2010, with workers condensed into fewer offices. The bureau also expects to hire fewer enumerators — the staff who do the follow-up work when people don’t respond to census information requests — than in 2010. <a href="https://www.mcclatchydc.com/site-services/newsletters/afternoon/article230120529.html&quot;

    Well, since they’re only planning to count white xtianists, they wouldn’t need nearly as many counters, now will they? Plus it’s being managed by some incompetent RWNJ also too.

  126. 126.

    Steve in the ATL

    @mrmoshpotato:

    Why did my phone try to capitalize ‘madness?’

    Late to the party, but how did Immanentize not respond “because ska is back, baby!”

    Steve nowhere near the ATL

  127. 127.

    Gin & Tonic

    Today, May 9, is celebrated in the former Soviet countries as “victory over fascism” (others may know it as V-E Day.)

    I wonder whether the US is getting to a point where there will need to be a struggle celebrated by my grandchildren a half-century from now as victory over fascism.

  128. 128.

    rikyrah

    @J R in WV:

    Piggybacking on your previous post:

    The problems began in 2014, when Congress decreed that the 2020 Decennial Census should cost no more than the 2010 count without adjusting for inflation, or some $12.5 billion. The Obama administration objected, but to no effect—although it’s worth recalling that Bill Clinton took a different tack in 1998, when he vetoed an omnibus budget bill and risked a government shutdown to get rid of a provision that would have barred the Census Bureau from using statistical sampling to verify the 2000 count.

    The Census Bureau did what it had to do to live within its new budget constraints: it drew up new plans to cut costs by replacing thousands of temporary Census workers and hundreds of temporary offices with new technologies and online capacities. It also had to do what it shouldn’t have done: to save money, the Bureau aborted a planned Spanish-language test census and didn’t test or implement new ways to more accurately count people in remote and rural areas. Census also ended its plans to test a range of local outreach and messaging strategies to get people to fill out their census forms, which are crucial to minimizing undercounts in many minority and marginalized communities.

    Even so, the Census Bureau prepared to ramp up funding in 2017 and 2018, as it normally did, under the $12.5 billion cap. Enter the Trump administration, which cut the Obama administration’s 2017 budget request for the Census Bureau by 10 percent and then, this past April, flat-lined the funding for 2018. It is no coincidence that the Director of the Census Bureau, John Thompson, resigned in May, effective in June. It’s a serious loss, since Dr. Thompson directed the 2000 decennial count and is probably the most able person available to contain the coming damage to the 2020 count. For its part, the administration hasn’t even identified, much less nominated, his successor. It is no surprise that the Government Accountability Office recently designated the 2020 Census as one of a handful of federal programs at “High Risk” of failure.

    The costs of starving the decennial Census could be great. It not only paints the country’s changing demographic and geographic portrait every 10 years. Its state-by-state counts determine how the 435 members of the House of Representatives are allocated among the states, and its counts by “Census block” (roughly a neighborhood) shape how members of state legislatures and many city councils are allocated in those jurisdictions. That’s just the beginning.

  129. 129.

    tobie

    @rikyrah:

    It is no coincidence that the Director of the Census Bureau, John Thompson, resigned in May, effective in June. It’s a serious loss, since Dr. Thompson directed the 2000 decennial count and is probably the most able person available to contain the coming damage to the 2020 count.

    On the positive side: as a private citizen John Thompson can testify before Congress. Dems should schedule this under the radar.

  130. 130.

    J R in WV

    Re: The Census.

    Shouldn’t a failure to properly manage the Constitutionally Required Census be one more count in any forthcoming Impeachment Bill~!!!~?????

    There will be so MANY counts in that puppy!!!

  131. 131.

    tobie

    @J R in WV: Interesting idea. One can also add violations of the emoluments clause, incitement to violence, tax fraud which Trump foolishly copped to in response to the NYT article on his taxes, and violations of the Federal Records Act. I’m sure of missed tons of other crimes not included in the Mueller report but this is a start.

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