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A Little Late-Night Honesty

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Beto has had it with reporters.

Also, Nebraska State Senator John McCollister has had it with his silent Republican colleagues:

A majority of House Democrats now favor impeachment.

Cloudflare has left 8chan on its own, and reports are that it’s down already.

It’s so easy to soften what we say, to be polite. We’re taught to do that from childhood. But it’s time to say things clearly and simply, to take a stand.

 

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  1. 1.

    Jeffro

    Go Dems go!
    Ask the hard questions.
    Pin the GOP down.
    They can own this or not but either way their own intraparty civil war is calling.
    We would be remiss in holding back from choosing sides.

  3. 3.

    trollhattan

    One hell of a weekend. Am not able to meaningfully process everything that just happened, and whichever of our leaders take an unambiguous stance against the forces abetting the hate and slaughter have my support. The rest get my EF Goldman proxy: “fuckem.”

    The Dayton murderer had 100-round magazines. How the hell is that remotely legal? Were Stephen Paddock’s bump stocks not a sufficient wakeup call?

  7. 7.

    trollhattan

    @Mary G:
    Sasse is a special kind of fraud–a younger, more folksy Willard Romney with the same depth (measured best in angstroms).

  8. 8.

    Rich Gardner

    “We need to have a broader conversation about addressing the root causes of hate online.”
    Hmm, sounds like the job the FLOTUS signed up for, to fight online hate speech.

  10. 10.

    dmsilev

    if there’s anything Trump can do now to make this better.

    Sure, Trump can receive visits from the ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future, and come to realize that he’s done everything all wrong. Short of that, however, I’m going to go with ‘no’.

  12. 12.

    dmsilev

    @West of the Rockies: Well, since we’re talking about dealing with literal Nazis all over again,

    Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. Henceforth Hitler’s Nazis will meet equally well armed, and perhaps better armed troops. Hence forth they will have to face in many theatres of war that superiority in the air which they have so often used without mercy against other, of which they boasted all round the world, and which they intended to use as an instrument for convincing all other peoples that all resistance to them was hopeless….

  14. 14.

    lollipopguild

    @dmsilev: Trump is aware enough that if he had a “Christmas Carol” conversion into a actual human being that his base would drop him like a radioactive potato, he would be done as president and he knows this. I think he was hoping to start a race war in this country because he thinks that it would help him get reelected.

  16. 16.

    joel hanes

    Senator McCollister, I’m sorry to have to tell you that the Republican Party, as currently constituted, is not better than this, and has not been so for a couple decades at least. You and some other well-intentioned people have been closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to acknowledge ever since Mr. Reagan was President, a situation that became painfully obvious to the rest of us when Gingrich was Speaker.

    I’m glad you’ve awakened from your partisan stupor. Your party is past redeeming. Go independent if you must, as Justin Amash has done, but if you want to actually help fix what’s been broken, become a member of the Democratic Party.

  18. 18.

    debbie

    Sadly, this country is such that the only takeaway from Beto’s remarks will be his naughty words.

  19. 19.

    Chetan Murthy

    @joel hanes:

    I’m glad you’ve awakened from your partisan stupor. Your party is past redeeming.

    damn straight. You’re a GrOPer, you’re a traitor, or giving aid and comfort to traitors. You want to keep your reputation? Do as Jen Rubin did. Do as Joe Scarborough did. Ditch the GrOPers. And don’t pretend that not doing so leaves you even a shred of moral dignity: It. Does. Not.

  21. 21.

    Jay

    If I get killed in a mass shooting please cremate me and throw my ashes into Mitch McConnell’s and Dana Loesch’s eyes while I’m still smoldering.— The Volatile Mermaid (@OhNoSheTwitnt) August 5, 2019

  24. 24.

    Dr Ronnie James DO

    With any luck, #MassacreMitch will spur Beto (and Steve Bullock) to leave their doomed efforts in the Presidential race and run for Senate. In Beto’s case, he also could save face even if he loses for the Senate bc his run was inspired by the massacre in his hometown.

  26. 26.

    Jeffro

    @debbie: it’s AMAZING that they can’t defy their donors, even for a second, on this most common-sense of issues. Weapons of war and massive amounts of ammunition are somehow something that, oh well, we’ll just have to keep living with from now until the heat death of the universe.

    Sci-fi/political science parody bestselling novel just sitting there, waiting to be written. Unfortunately we are also just waiting for someone, anyone, to bust #MassacreMitch ‘s chops and get basic protections re-written into law

  27. 27.

    Mathguy

    McCollister is my state senator. He is the only Republican I have voted for in the past three decades. There are still a few sane ones out there in office, though they are am endangered species. Guvn’r Cueball, Pete “I wish he had” Ricketts, will undoubtably target him in the next election.

  29. 29.

    Jay Noble

    @Cheryl Rofer: And he had spareS – as in more than 1. Crazy person? Was wearing ear protection, as was the El Paso shooter. The main argument for suppressors (read SILENCERS) is to protect the shooter’s hearing – on the range.

  30. 30.

    joel hanes

    One of Trump’s first acts as president was blocking an Obama rule that would have prevented 75,000 people with mental disorders from buying a gun.

    h/t hilzoy’s twitter feed

  33. 33.

    The Moar You Know

    The Dayton murderer had 100-round magazines. How the hell is that remotely legal?

    @trollhattan: if it makes you feel any better, and it doesn’t make me feel any better, that’s a magazine designed to do one thing; relieve lunatics of their money, which somehow they always seem to have. Think they call it a “beta”. They always jam. The military, which likes the ability to kill as many people as needed, doesn’t use anything with a higher capacity than 20 rounds, because they jam.

    If the guy in Dayton had been using smaller magazines he might have killed a lot more people. Conversely, had he not been able to get a goddamn battle rifle, he might not have killed anyone. Which really is the only solution; ban them all. And no, I may know a few things about guns, but I don’t know how you’d even start disarming the United States.

  34. 34.

    Suzanne

    Can President Warren (or President Harris, I’m not choosy) appoint Beto to be a gun violence czar? Comments like this are reminding me of what about Beto I find so appealing: he is really engaging and effective when he speaks his mind.

  35. 35.

    Adam L Silverman

    @trollhattan: @chris: @Cheryl Rofer: Fortunately they tend to be unreliable and lead to misfeeds and jams. They also wrongly balance the rifle or carbine and make it harder to aim and shoot properly. The people that buy these things are morons.

  36. 36.

    joel hanes

    If the guy in Dayton had been using smaller magazines he might have killed a lot more people.

    Dayton cops are now claiming they were firing at him within 30 seconds, and that he was dead within a minute. Given how many rounds he got off, I suspects that he didn’t have a magazine jam.

    Not that you’re wrong in anything you said.
    \
    There’s a reason that “ammosexual” is a useful term for men who the customers for such things; there’s a connection between the exaggerated weapon-fetish styling of much of this gear and the kind of exaggerated female sexual characteristics one used to see in the kind of cartoons formerly found on napkins in sleazy bars. It’s deliberate hyperstimulus.

  38. 38.

    Adam L Silverman

    @joel hanes: He killed 9 and 27 were injured. He was in a crowded space where people where out and about to have a good time. And two of those, his first two victims, were his sister and her boyfriend in a parked car. While it didn’t jam, had he just had conventional sized magazines – whether 5, 10, 20, or 30 round magazines – given the physical geography of the area he was shooting in and how people were moving around, he most likely would have killed and wounded about the same amount before the police got to him.

  40. 40.

    Aleta

    RE @Cheryl Rofer:
    FWIW: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-vote-gun-immunity-black-market/

    (Jan 2016) In the fall of 2005, the city of New York was preparing a mammoth lawsuit against 14 gun manufacturers and 27 distributors and dealers. The suit set out to prove that the gun industry bore a responsibility for the volume of guns illegally trafficked into the city.  

    To make its case, the city had marshaled significant evidence showing that gun manufacturers were unwilling to take simple steps to keep their guns out of criminals’ hands—and even knowingly fed the criminal gun market.

    The lawsuit highlighted federal data from 1996 to 1998 that had traced more than 34,000 guns used to perpetrate crimes back to just 137 dealers. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms informed gun manufacturers every time a gun used in a crime was traced to their companies, information that would have made it easy for manufacturers to determine which of their distributors and dealers were supplying the black market, yet manufacturers continued to sell guns to those “bad apple” dealers.

    As the trial neared, the city had marketing experts, dealers, and former gun industry officials ready to testify that the gun manufacturers’ lack of oversight of their dealers and distributors could only be attributed to a willful blindness that allowed them to profit off the criminal gun market. The city’s lawyers were prepared to argue that in Southern states with lax gun laws, manufacturers supplied dealers with more handguns than the legal market could consume, knowing the excess guns would be trafficked north up the I-95 corridor and sold illegally in cities like New York.

    “New York was a very strong case,” says Jonathan Lowy, an attorney at the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence who worked on the case. “We were completely ready for trial.”

    But the trial never came. In October 2005, Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), granting sweeping legal immunity to the gun industry. Gun manufacturers who lobbied for the bill warned that suits like New York’s were a scheme hatched by activist lawyers and judges to bankrupt the gun industry. The bill’s sponsor, Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho), named the New York case on the Senate floor as an example “of the predatory lawsuits” that the PLCAA aimed “to provide for the dismissal of.”

    After the PLCAA passed, New York’s case was thrown out. The city never got its day in court.
    …
    As a senator from New York in 2005, Clinton voted against the PLCAA; Sanders, then in the House of Representatives, voted for it, as he had done for an earlier iteration of the measure that failed in 2003. Recently, Clinton has accused Sanders of bowing to the National Rifle Association on this key piece of legislation. Sanders, who hails from a rural state with lax gun laws, has defended his vote as a way to protect the “small mom-and-pop gun shop” in Vermont from frivolous lawsuits. 

    But Sanders’ argument obfuscates the true impact of his vote—namely, that the lawsuits he helped derail once represented the most viable effort in decades to stem the flow of guns onto the black market.

    eta As Mike J said above.

  43. 43.

    Adam L Silverman

    @Jay: Brian is an old friend of mine. We’ve known each other since the mid 90s. Even collaborated on occasion.

  44. 44.

    Jay

    Devastating update:Liz Terry, aunt of Jordan Anchondo, has confirmed to CNN that, Jordan’s husband, Andre Anchondo, has also been confirmed dead in the El Paso mass shooting.Their three children—ages 5, 2 & 2 months old—lost both of their parents https://t.co/2ZUFH9jKgL— Dianne Gallagher (@DianneG) August 4, 2019

  45. 45.

    Ruckus

    @trollhattan:

    measured best in angstroms

    Haven’t done my homework in a couple of decades but I seem to recall that is a rather small measurement. Are you sure it’s small enough?

  46. 46.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @TXSwede: I’m in. This is really winnable. the current republican held on by a mere 3 pts after winning in 2014 by 33 pts. She only held on because of incumbency. This open seat is ripe for turnover.

  47. 47.

    Aleta

    Senator John Cornyn @JohnCornyn
    For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Sadly, there are some issues, like homelessness and these shootings, where we simply don’t have all the answers.

    Jess Dweck @TheDweck
    You literally blocked the CDC from studying shootings

  49. 49.

    SectionH

    @Suzanne: I sure wouldn’t mind a Harris/O’Rourke ticket (yes, or Warren/O’Rourke). Beto seems to be pretty good at “cut the BS” extemp speaking. Mr S and I were in suburban Dallas on election night last Nov., and our hotel was basically occupied by mostly young Democrats who were prepping for GOTV the next day. It was very cool. They were organized, they were ready to go. If he can bring most of his workers on board for 2020, esp. for a Presidential race, we might see Texas be a positive for Dems even if we don’t carry it for the Presidency. Both in downticket races and in how much $ the Rses will have to spend.

  50. 50.

    Eric K

    @joel hanes: yeah, I did something I rarely do and tweeted a reply to him, I said Lincoln left his Party and helped found a new one, when will the non racist right do the same now?

  51. 51.

    Fair Economist

    @TXSwede: Something is up, in a good way, in Texas. Texas is pretty urban and a majority minority state, and that it has been solid Republican is something of an anomaly. One thing that’s been showing up lately is a “normalization” of Texas in that its cities, which have been Republican or at least swing, have been moving fairly decisively to become Democratic, like urban areas throughout the country, even in very red states. Maybe that process is picking up and these representatives are seeing it in their internals.

  52. 52.

    TS (the original)

    if there’s anything Trump can do now to make this better.

    He could resign and take every last one of his horrific family & go live in Russia for the remainder of his days. Alternatively they could all plead guilty for crimes against humanity.

  53. 53.

    Omnes Omnibus

    @SectionH:

    Beto seems to be pretty good at “cut the BS” extemp speaking.

    This is one of the reasons that the debates – especially ones with crowded stages like we have right now – should not be the be all, end all for our assessment of a candidate.

  56. 56.

    Jay

    If you want to know what it's like to be a white nationalist, imagine chortling at the sight of a murdered child. That's how many of these people want the world to see them, because that is exactly who they are:https://t.co/biUYNgAZCy— Michael Edison Hayden (@MichaelEHayden) August 5, 2019

  57. 57.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    @Aleta:

    Sanders, who hails from a rural state with lax gun laws, has defended his vote as a way to protect the “small mom-and-pop gun shop” in Vermont from frivolous lawsuits.

    Such bullshit. At the time, BOTH Vermont Senators (Pat Leahy and Jim Jeffords) voted against NRA immunity. The mom and pop shit is a cover story to disguise his partnership with the NRA.

    Less than 2 years ago, Wilmer’s idiot son wrote NRAtv has “a very sophisticated message which taps into the anger and frustration so many feel in working class America.” Gee, who gave him that idea.

  59. 59.

    Yarrow

    @SectionH: Heard on the radio that Republicans are already planning to put a lot more paid workers in Texas. They gave the numbers and it was a massive increase. They had something like 15 in 2018 and they’re going up to 123 or something like that in 2020. Then they said that was the plan now and that number could go up. Figured it meant they were having to spend a lot more money defending Texas.

  60. 60.

    Yarrow

    @Eric K:

    since Texas Dems already have a good candidate when is the next gubernatorial election?

    Not until 2022. Abbott was reelected in 2018.

  62. 62.

    H.E.Wolf

    Got a phone call tonight – smack in the middle of the dinner hour – from a hail-fellow-well-met type who greeted me by my name, identified himself as Rob [Somebody Or Other] of the Republican National Committee, and asked how I thought T*mp was doing as President and was he doing a better job than Obama.

    Using my best Telephone Voice, I said clearly and pleasantly, “I think he is a psychopath who has no business being in the office he is holding.”

    There was about a 3-beat pause, and then Mr. RNC said, “Okay well then I’ll take you off our call list, have a good evening.”

    Bless his heart. :-)

  63. 63.

    CaseyL

    @H.E.Wolf: Howinhell did you get ON their call list??

    Good for you, keeping your composure and saying something coherent. I don’t know if I could have managed more than a “I’m not a Gooper” or, alternatively, telling him I consider the entire GOP to be traitors, from Trump all down the line to Precinct Captains.

  64. 64.

    Chetan Murthy

    @CaseyL: or (again alternatively) “hey Rob [what’s-his-face], I’d be happy to answer any questions you have, but first, I’ve always wondered … and since you have firsthand knowledge, how does Putin’s buttcrack taste?”

  65. 65.

    mrmoshpotato

    @H.E.Wolf: I had similar fun with a Wilmer 2020 texter. “Wilmer 2020? I thought after losing an election, you were supposed to fuck off to the forest and take up knitting.”

  68. 68.

    joel hanes

    Today in the mail I received from Judicial Watch a thick envelope containing an RWNJ propaganda newsletter, a petition for me to circulate, and fundraising appeal with a return envelope.

    I have no idea how my name got on one of their prospect lists, but I’m going to have fun writing the reply. It’ll be worth the four bits for a stamp.

  69. 69.

    Inventor

    @H.E.Wolf: I’m hoping for the call. I got a couple ready to go: “I think the President’s message might be better understood if he would take Putin’s cock out of his mouth”; and, “What’s the best way to tell the good Nazis from the regular Nazis?”.

  70. 70.

    cain

    @joel hanes:
    How come the press never asks these questions to Trump? Can we send Jim Acosta back there again? Ugh. The white house press are the biggest bunch of idiots I have ever witnessed.

  72. 72.

    Yarrow

    @cain: The press doesn’t ask those questions because they do what they’re told to do by their bosses. They may be idiots but they’re smart enough to keep their jobs.

  74. 74.

    West of the Rockies

    Guessing there won’t be a WH press briefing anytime soon. Is SHS (the white she-devil) still there?

  75. 75.

    JoeyJoeJoe

    @Mary G: trivia: there was a Representative McCollister from Omaha in the early to mid 70s (may be a relative of this McCollister. He did run for senate in 1976 and lost to a Democrat

  76. 76.

    Uncle Jeffy

    @joel hanes: better yet, if they send you a prepaid-postage envelope, stuff it with as much junk mail as possible and send it back. I believe the USPS charges by weight for those things

  77. 77.

    Mandalay

    @David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch:

    The mom and pop shit is a cover story …

    Yep. In fact I think it’s an immutable law of the universe that anyone who uses the phrase “mom and pop…” is lying about something.

    “Thoughts and prayers…” has thankfully become a toxic phrase that can no longer be used without inviting ridicule and contempt. The use of “Mom and pop…” should invite contempt as well.

  78. 78.

    Ruckus

    @joel hanes:
    Had fun with the carpetbagger rethuglican running for CA gov last time.
    Answered his first email, a few swear words but basically go the fuck away.
    Second email reply, a lot of swear words, descriptions of his character and political leaning.
    Third email was from his wife, scolding people for sending back such nasty replies to her lovely husband. By now I’d had enough of this smug family and let them know it in no uncertain terms. Felt good that enough people had responded to his first emails to piss off his lovely bride.
    Never got #4.

  79. 79.

    Ruckus

    @Uncle Jeffy:
    I’m rather crass with my prepaid return rethuglican mail.
    Usually a red Sharpie that spells out fuck off assholes repeatedly. Wouldn’t want them to get the wrong message. I guess I could print out that nice message in pretty script. But it’s just a waste of paper and ink.

  80. 80.

    Suzanne

    I was at our local mall yesterday with Mr. Suzanne and the younger two Spawns (the Elder is too cool to be observed at the mall with parents), and I was thinking about the shootings nonstop. Kept looking for the nearest exits and plotting escape routes. Now, I don’t really like shopping and I typically try to avoid malls as a rule, so perhaps I am not representative. But I was wondering how many other people may start avoiding going to malls, big stores, public events, etc. due to fear…. and how much money will be lost if this happens. At some point, it would seem likely that retail developers would push for gun control measures since fear may affect their bottom line. I wonder if this is already the case.

  81. 81.

    different-church-lady

    @lollipopguild:

    I think he was hoping to start a race war in this country because he thinks that it would help him get reelected.

    Not at all. He’s starting a race war in this country for kicks.

  82. 82.

    JDM

    Good for Cloudflare. Also, about time, Cloudflare; what took you so long? And also, good for you anyway, Cloudflare.

  83. 83.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @Mathguy:

    McCollister is my state senator. He is the only Republican I have voted for in the past three decades. There are still a few sane ones out there in office, though they are am endangered species.

    They’re dwindling fast in the age of Trump, as in they are the last trickles in the swirling vortex of a flushed toilet in that party.

    Living in this rural state for 35 years, I have witnessed-even voted for– a few state and/or local-level Republicans to have been sane and decent. Republicans here used to be mostly middle of the road, moderate fiscal conservatives who were more about improving the state’s economy and business outlook, not imposing a nutty RW agenda on everybody. Former NM Governor Gary Carruthers is an excellent example-moderate, later taught at and ran the College of Business at NMSU, then became chancellor. Sane, trying to make good long-term decisions for the U and the community. For example, he got tons of pressure to rescind his decision to offer in-state tuition to illegals and Mexican citizens living within a certain radius of the school by the up and coming “Stephen Miller Wing”.

    I voted for our “later to be found to be a complete, corrupt Republican political whore” ex-governor Susanna Martinez in her first campaign as DA against a guy who’s Dad and brother were were literally dealing drugs and who was caught making deals with the cops to keep himself and his family out of jail. In order to do it she changed her party from Democrat to Republican, because the local Dems were corrupt enough to keep him on as a candidate. We sat across the table from each other in local and state domestic violence task force and victims rights meetings for years, and she was one of our biggest ally’s in the fight to stop family violence.

    As time went on, I saw her morph into a slime ball by her last term as DA and first run for governor. (She won because her opponent was a bit of an unispiring milqtoast so of a former Dem gov, and because we have this ridiculous habit of voting in the other party every 8 years in the governorship.)

    Foolishly, lots of people thought she’d be a hybrid Conservadem–tough on budgets and supportive of gun laws, but kinda socialist when it came to helping the people with education, social welfare, etc. At first, she tried. And hey, she was smart enough to buy into the Medicaid expansion early on, knowing the huge numbers of people in our state who would benefit. But shortly after she swore in, she got herself a “Turd Blossom 2.0” political advisor of her own who led her down the path to Republican corruption and greed. Over her term she nearly destroyed the State’s departments and long standing institutions–most notably the state’s community based mental health programs–because of her incompetence, her moral weakness and inability to kick Turd Blossom 2.0 and his grifted dark money interests to the curb. The “palace intrigue” stories that came out over her terms pretty much confirmed that she went bad, really bad, trying to be a “good Republican” and cash in on some kind of future career in the party.

    From what I’ve witnessed, the further away from local or state politics they get, the harder it is for them to act on what their previous statements and beliefs were. Anything with even the least national exposure shuts down their ability to be a person of character. I don’t know much about Ben Sasse’s past career, but I’m guessing that when he became Senator, someone whispered in his ear that like working for the Cartel or the Mob, you better not cross those lines and say or do anything wavering outside of exactly what they tell him he can do. I’m waiting for him to change his tune or at least become really quiet about the Jeffery Epstein debacle because it’s gonna be verboten pretty soon to continue to push for the truth in that case, like he seemed to do a few months ago.

    At this point in time, all decent R’s, those unwilling to put up with this shit, are being run out of their party by the nut-crushing thugs of the Republican Trump Machine at the top. I’m not sure how long they’ve got left. Good news is that with them gone, the Host Party can finally die a terrible, agonizing, wretched death and only those that truly deserve that fate will go down with it.

  84. 84.

    O. Felix Culpa

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    she nearly destroyed the State’s departments and long standing institutions–most notably the state’s community based mental health programs

    Not nearly. Completely. Completely destroyed mental health programs in the state, along with many other programs. It will take years to rebuild and the time and lives lost are not recoverable. Ms O works with multiple state social service agencies across NM and they’re ALL decimated and demoralized. There are good folks doing their best, but the systematic, deliberate depletion of resources is overwhelming. Otherwise I agree with everything you said and appreciate the historic context. :)

  85. 85.

    Ella in New Mexico

    @O. Felix Culpa: Thanks! We’re a interesting bunch, we New Mexicans. I hope to get to go to one of those Meet Ups with you and all of our compadres here someday :-)

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