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You are here: Home / Politics / Impeachment Inquiry / Impeachment Hearings / Impeachment Hearing And Vote In The House Of Representatives

Impeachment Hearing And Vote In The House Of Representatives

by Cheryl Rofer|  December 18, 20198:55 am| 111 Comments

This post is in: Impeachment Hearings, Live Blogging

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Starts at 9 Eastern. The vote is expected to be at 6:30 or slightly later tonight.

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  1. 1.

    David ??Merry Christmas?? Koch

    December 18, 2019 at 9:03 am

    ☃️Merry Impeachmas!☃️

  2. 2.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:04 am

    Very proud of vulnerable Dems from Trump districts. I hope they end up being rewarded.

  3. 3.

    dmsilev

    December 18, 2019 at 9:04 am

    Here’s wishing Trump a Happy Holidays…

  4. 4.

    Joey Maloney

    December 18, 2019 at 9:05 am

    First thing, some R from AZ makes a motion to adjourn “so we can stop wasting time on this impeachment”, and then insists on wasting 15 minutes for a roll-call vote.

  5. 5.

    BC in Illinois

    December 18, 2019 at 9:06 am

    And the first order of business is a Republican motion to adjourn.
    15 minutes of time-wasting delay tactic.

  6. 6.

    zhena gogolia

    December 18, 2019 at 9:09 am

    @BC in Illinois: 

    They’ll be doing it all day so that the vote will be “in the dark of night.”

  7. 7.

    zhena gogolia

    December 18, 2019 at 9:10 am

    I think I have to step away from commenting until the site is fixed. This is just too annoying, to have to keep leaving and coming back just in order to see my own comment.

  8. 8.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 9:16 am

    Republicans are holding a press conference during the vote?

  9. 9.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 9:20 am

    .@realDonaldTrump you know you just retweeted a video in which Dan Bongino calls @senatemajldr – the man running your senate trial – “cocaine Mitch”.

    Right?

    — Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) December 18, 2019

  10. 10.

    Cheryl Rofer

    December 18, 2019 at 9:21 am

    @zhena gogolia: Send a note to WaterGirl. She needs to know what’s going wrong so that she can fix it.

  11. 11.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:22 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: It’s an old problem. Comments take a long time to show up.

  12. 12.

    Marcopolo

    December 18, 2019 at 9:22 am

    Good morning folks. I’ve been anticipating this day for a good long while but I am finding my level of emotional engagement (watching it live atm) is fairly low. I think that like a lot of folks I am a little exhausted by everything. However, I will muster some extra energy to celebrate when the final vote occurs.

    Now I’m gonna call my Rep (is voting to impeach) & my Senators (both R) to tell them I support impeachment. Then hot chocolate.

    Hope everyone has a great day.

  13. 13.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 9:23 am

    Attempting to deflect on Trump's behalf during a Rules Committee hearing on impeachment, GOP Rep @DebbieLesko accuses several Democrats of previously voting to bring up an impeachment vote. But then she is informed that several of the members she is attacking weren't in Congress. pic.twitter.com/seHZdF7vMW

    — Oliver Willis (@owillis) December 17, 2019

  14. 14.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 9:25 am

    Trump suggests Adam Schiff should face severe punishment for paraphrasing his Zelensky call during a hearing: "In Guatemala they handle things much tougher than that." pic.twitter.com/bUMrsKJpyv— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 17, 2019

    And he wonders why people from Guatemala seek asylum in the United States… https://t.co/YJZHb6Z67L— Randy Bryce (@IronStache) December 18, 2019

  15. 15.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:26 am

    @Marcopolo: 

    Be proud, but it’s not really a “happy” occasion.

  16. 16.

    Betty Cracker

    December 18, 2019 at 9:26 am

    Goddamn it, MSNBC. Why the fuck is Tweety covering this instead of Maddow?

  17. 17.

    Kay

    December 18, 2019 at 9:30 am

    Dave Wasserman
    @Redistrict
    ·30m
    As we move towards a trial, worth remembering some basics: 1) a majority of senators now represents just 18% of the U.S. population & 2) the median Senate seat was 5.7 points more pro-Trump than the national margin in 2016.

    That is a terrible stat. I had no idea it was that bad. 18%. It’s just not representative of anything other than land mass.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:30 am

    @Betty Cracker: 

    They’ll probably bring her in when it’s time to vote.

  19. 19.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 9:31 am

    Obama, stuck in between two of the worst Presidencies in American History.

    — Spork (@Spork1975) December 18, 2019

  20. 20.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:32 am

    @germy:

    Lincolnesque.

  21. 21.

    Betty Cracker

    December 18, 2019 at 9:35 am

    @Baud: Most likely. I’ll just watch C-SPAN until Tweety gets the hook.

  22. 22.

    Kay

    December 18, 2019 at 9:36 am

    Justin Amash
    @justinamash
    ·14h
    Conservatives will someday face the horrible truth that the Republican Party fought so hard to justify and excuse an amoral and self-serving president, and what he gave them in return was bigger government and erosion of the principles and values they once claimed to cherish.

    Justin assumes they will “face the truth” but they won’t. Ever. They’ll deny it to the day they die. They passed the point of no return years ago. The only thing to do at this point is keep lying.

  23. 23.

    zhena gogolia

    December 18, 2019 at 9:37 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: 
    I’ve mentioned it on all her threads asking for information.

  24. 24.

    Cacti

    December 18, 2019 at 9:39 am

    Merry Impeachment Day!

    And

      happy holidays

    to the right wingers. ;-)

  25. 25.

    Betty Cracker

    December 18, 2019 at 9:39 am

    @Kay: True. Even the Never Trumpers disclaim their role in creating a party and media apparatus hollow and amoral enough to be hijacked by a clown like Trump.

  26. 26.

    Kay

    December 18, 2019 at 9:41 am

    I am LOATHE to say this because I can’t stand him, but of the cable media people Jake Tapper seems to me to be the person who has handled Trump’s lying best. He changed his coverage. He spends a good part of the time pointing out that they’re lying. It’s repetitive but what else can one do? Faced with a different situation he did something different. He covers Trump differently than he did Bush or Obama, and that’s logical- it’s not the same.
    I don’t count people like Maddow, because she’s an admitted partisan. I feel like we should look for people who were better at it than others, as a way forward. It will be different after this. We need people who tried to deal with what is.

  27. 27.

    Spanky

    December 18, 2019 at 9:41 am

    The MSNBC producers know to bring in a well-rested Rachel right about the time Tweety’s scotch starts to wear off and the sundowning starts. Around noon, I guess that is.

  28. 28.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:43 am

    @Spanky:

    The sundowning started five years ago.

  29. 29.

    Cheryl Rofer

    December 18, 2019 at 9:47 am

    Looks like the Republicans will be using delaying tactics for a while. They want the vote to be in the dark of night. We can hope that Pelosi will do what Nadler did, and push the vote to the next morning.

    I’ll be back and forth all day. Will drop in when I can.

    Pelosi and her staff have instructed her caucus to show unity and not to gloat at all during the proceedings, per multiple sources. She wants the public to see Democrats as taking this moment seriously and not be seen as cheering the President’s impeachment, members say

    — Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 18, 2019

  30. 30.

    Kay

    December 18, 2019 at 9:47 am

    @Betty Cracker: 

    Frankly, a lot of this stuff has been going on for decades. What did he think the southern strategy was?

    This idea that they’re just going to lift themselves out of the ditch with no thought or contemplation of how they ran it in there is just delusional. They never believed what they said. Maybe Amash did, but that’s his problem.

  31. 31.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 9:50 am

    @Kay: 

    The South didn’t voluntarily give up slavery or Jim Crow.

  32. 32.

    Aleta

    December 18, 2019 at 9:54 am

    Take the Senate.

    Trump’s letter: “Be afraid (tired, confused)” “Impeaching me is dangerous!”
    Dems: “Have faith in the democratic process” “Follow the Constitution”

  33. 33.

    James E Powell

    December 18, 2019 at 9:57 am

    @Betty Cracker: 

    Goddamn it, MSNBC. Why the fuck is Tweety covering this instead of Maddow?

    I can’t believe that jerk is still on TV. And the whole world considers him to be one of ours.

  34. 34.

    clay

    December 18, 2019 at 9:58 am

    @Kay: 

    He’s right about one thing, though. The Republicans have sold out all of the alleged principles they allegedly had… for THIS??!?

    That’s really the worst thing. He’s lying, corrupt, racist, destructive, venal, ignorant… you name it. And they know this! And many of them have acknowledged it! Out loud! On camera! But still, they just turn around and say, yeah, he’s our guy. He’s what we’re going all in on.

  35. 35.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:02 am

    @clay: 

    The Republicans have sold out all of the alleged principles they allegedly had…

    Their most important principle is their hatred of us, so no.

  36. 36.

    James E Powell

    December 18, 2019 at 10:02 am

    @clay: 

    He’s right about one thing, though. The Republicans have sold out all of the alleged principles they allegedly had… for THIS??!?

    Is it possible that Justin Amash was stupid enough to believe that the Republicans’ alleged principles were anything more than intellectual patina for racism, religious bigotry, and greed?

  37. 37.

    Another Scott

    December 18, 2019 at 10:08 am

    @Baud: I hope DougJ! runs a Thermometer for them when this is done. We need to have their backs.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  38. 38.

    Cheryl Rofer

    December 18, 2019 at 10:08 am

    The Dems are prepared for the parliamentary crap the Republicans are throwing at them.

  39. 39.

    zhena gogolia

    December 18, 2019 at 10:10 am

    Well, the NYT headline on my paper paper isn’t too bad: “Trump’s 6-Page Diatribe Belittles Impeachment as an ‘Attempted Coup.'” Could have been worse. “Diatribe” is pretty strong for them.

  40. 40.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 18, 2019 at 10:12 am

    @zhena gogolia:  Pravda-on-the-Hudson is right on brand.

  41. 41.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:13 am

    @Betty Cracker: The legacy networks are covering it.

  42. 42.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:13 am

    @zhena gogolia:

    They repeated his “coup” claim though.

  43. 43.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:14 am

    @zhena gogolia: It’s a caching issue, apparently. Try refreshing the tab a few times. Does it show up then? Chrome is supposedly the worst culprit. They are working on it.

  44. 44.

    Nelle

    December 18, 2019 at 10:15 am

    @dmsilev:  Before we talk about how white and conservative Iowa is, remember this. Three out of the four Congressional reps are Democrats and all say that they will vote for impeachment, including mine, who is hounded from town hall to town hall by MAGA’s. Now the Senators are both Republican but I’m hoping we send Joni Ernst back to castrating pigs of the farm variety come next year.

  45. 45.

    jeffreyw

    December 18, 2019 at 10:16 am

    If Donald Trump had a backbone instead of bone spurs–and actually wore the uniform–he'd be relieved of duty and face a court martial. Active duty soldiers can't speak out on politics. But spouses can. Here's our story.#StrongerTogether #TuesdayThoughts #MilFamsMatter pic.twitter.com/PUsrFE90Ui— Lindsey Simmons (@LynzforCongress) November 26, 2019

    Killer political ad. Dem running to unseat a Missouri trumpster.

  46. 46.

    Another Scott

    December 18, 2019 at 10:17 am

    @Cheryl Rofer: Good.

    Since the rules are that there will be 6 hours for debate (3+3), I don’t expect the actual debate to start before noon (and maybe later, after lunch), with a vote after 6:30-7:00.

    Just a guess though.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  47. 47.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:18 am

    Saw the comments on protests in the morning thread. Reminder that the threshold for protests making a difference is 3.5% of the population.

    Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.

    Link.

  48. 48.

    Frankensteinbeck

    December 18, 2019 at 10:18 am

    Votes like this make me anxious, but Pelosi is too good at her job to schedule a vote she isn’t sure will pass. Remember Boehner’s flailing inability to pass the deals he himself negotiated? That never seems to happen to Speaker Pelosi

    .@James E Powell:

    Is it possible that Justin Amash was stupid enough to believe that the Republicans’ alleged principles were anything more than intellectual patina for racism, religious bigotry, and greed?

    Nailed it. Elected Republicans aren’t supporting Trump. They’re supporting white supremacy. They’re supporting the principle that a black man became president and whites* must never, ever give another inch ever again. No concession to the forces of equality, however unconnected, is acceptable. Every minority must be brutally into submission. They’re sure as Hell not going to let the right of an incompetent rich white man to be in charge, get whatever he wants, and get away with anything he wants be questioned.

    *That is, ‘whites’ as an identity, not necessarily individual whites who might be traitors or Other for reasons besides skin color.

  49. 49.

    Amir Khalid

    December 18, 2019 at 10:19 am

    @zhena gogolia:
    Pretty strong for The New York Times, yeah, but still much too polite. I have just read the whole thing for myself, and I call it an incoherent, unhinged bugfuck-crazy jeremiad.

  50. 50.

    Nelle

    December 18, 2019 at 10:19 am

    @Betty Cracker: He wants the cameras on him.  If there is a major complaint I have of Boomers (and I am most definitely one, born in 1951) is the expectation that the spotlight always be on them.  Get off the stage, advise from the wings.   Mentor. There’s an immense amount of talent in younger generations and it is their turn in the limelight.  (Don’t really know the ages of Tweety and Maddow – just wanted to hog some of the light to once again air an old grievance against many of my peers).

  51. 51.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 10:19 am

    I had no idea Smudge The Cat is Canadian.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/woman-yelling-at-cat-meme-taylor-amstrong-real-housewives-smudge-2019-12

  52. 52.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:21 am

    @Frankensteinbeck:

     

    She says she didn’t count votes. But last night, MSNBC said enough Dems had already indicated they would vote to impeach that it will pass.

  53. 53.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 10:21 am

    @Nelle:  I still don’t understand why his nickname is “Tweety”

  54. 54.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:21 am

    @Kay: I agree with you on this. Tapper has been one of the best in dealing with Trump and Republicans’ lies.

  55. 55.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:23 am

    @Yarrow: 

    That’s over 11 million Americans.

  56. 56.

    schrodingers_cat

    December 18, 2019 at 10:23 am

    @Yarrow: Thanks for that link.

  57. 57.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:23 am

    @germy:Apparently at some point he dyed his hair canary yellow. Looked like Tweety bird.

  58. 58.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:25 am

    @Baud:  That’s what it takes. And once you get to that threshold protests have never failed to bring change.

  59. 59.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 18, 2019 at 10:25 am

    @germy: I suspect because of a faint resemblance to the bird.

  60. 60.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:26 am

    @schrodingers_cat:  You’re welcome. It’s fascinating research. The article I linked has a good summary of how it has worked around the world.

  61. 61.

    Cheryl Rofer

    December 18, 2019 at 10:26 am

    @Another Scott: They’re actually starting to debate rules now.

  62. 62.

    Betty Cracker

    December 18, 2019 at 10:27 am

    @Cheryl Rofer:

    [Quoting Raju’s tweet] Pelosi and her staff have instructed her caucus to show unity and not to gloat at all during the proceedings, per multiple sources. She wants the public to see Democrats as taking this moment seriously and not be seen as cheering the President’s impeachment, members say

    Aw, man! I was kinda hoping Rep. Tlaib would lead a “We’re gonna impeach the motherfucker” conga line on the floor.

  63. 63.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:28 am

    @Betty Cracker:  Pelosi is right. I thought it was wrong of Tlaib to say that at the time.

  64. 64.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 18, 2019 at 10:28 am

    @Yarrow:  Ukraine’s “Maidan” movement of 2013-14 never got much above 2% and brought down a government.

  65. 65.

    danielx

    December 18, 2019 at 10:30 am

    Not a nanosecond too soon.

    Regarding this meme of Dems wanting to impeach Trump since he took office, or possibly before: ::::waving both hands in air::::: guilty. I thought he was unfit for office before he took office.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:31 am

    @Betty Cracker:

     

    That’s for the after party.

  67. 67.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:32 am

    @Gin & Tonic:  The research does not show it’s not possible at lower percentages. It shows that once it gets to 3.5% that change is inevitable.

  68. 68.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:32 am

    @danielx:

     

    Agreed. But Dems collectively acted with more deliberation.

  69. 69.

    germy

    December 18, 2019 at 10:34 am

    Gary Larson’s Far Side is back:
    https://www.thefarside.com/

  70. 70.

    danielx

    December 18, 2019 at 10:38 am

    @Baud: 

    They didn’t have to give him any rope, he brought his own.

  71. 71.

    Baud

    December 18, 2019 at 10:40 am

    @danielx:

    Trump Rope®

  72. 72.

    Alien Radio

    December 18, 2019 at 10:40 am

    @Gin & Tonic: 

    Hoping you coud shed some light on the whole Ukranian Nazis thing?

    https://medium.com/dfrlab/far-right-hooligans-from-ukraine-at-the-hong-kong-protests-baab52023580

    what’s going on here? It feels like some super subterfuge crazyness, like the point is just to ship these guys around to build a narrative.

  73. 73.

    chopper

    December 18, 2019 at 10:42 am

    @Kay: 

    yup. it’s why alaska and NJ have the same number of senators, in spite of the fact that NJ has a thousand times the population density.

  74. 74.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 10:42 am

    @Baud: The speaker doesn’t need to count votes.  That’s what Whips do.?

  75. 75.

    Betty Cracker

    December 18, 2019 at 10:44 am

    @Yarrow: I thought it was impolitic but so relatable!

  76. 76.

    chopper

    December 18, 2019 at 10:45 am

    @Kay: 

    yeah, but trump helped them stack the courts for generations to come.

  77. 77.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 10:47 am

    @Baud: I love the Democratic party, but I  want an invitation to that party!

    ??We Impeached the Mother Fucker (Boom!)
    We Impeached the Mother Fucker (Boom!)??

    All the way from the capital to the White House!

    Then MAMBO!

  78. 78.

    Leto

    December 18, 2019 at 10:49 am

    @Betty Cracker: I hope Casa Cracker becomes the future home to “Impeach the Motherfucker Cabana”. Cold drinks, hot chili, and lots of dancing!

  79. 79.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 10:49 am

    @chopper:
    I am not as worried as some about the court problem — IF we take back the Presidency in 2020.

  80. 80.

    chopper

    December 18, 2019 at 10:50 am

    @Yarrow:

    also, he looks a hell of a lot like the mr. hyde version.

  81. 81.

    chopper

    December 18, 2019 at 10:51 am

    @Baud:

    looking back they’re gonna have to call it ‘sunuping’ cause it’s been going on for a fuck of a while.

  82. 82.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 10:52 am

    @Leto: I just made my famous (among those who have had it) chili.  It’s a Mexican recipe of “Texas style” chili.  A true bowl of red, as some call it.  Meat and more meat.  No beany weenie crap for me.  C’mon over and I’ll serve you some up on Fritos.

  83. 83.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 10:53 am

    @Betty Cracker:  I didn’t like it at the time and didn’t find it “relatable” at all.

  84. 84.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 18, 2019 at 10:58 am

    @Alien Radio:  There are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. Just as there are neo-Nazis in the US. It seems that writing a whole article based on four guys’ travel to Honk Kong to generate Instagram views might be a bit of an overreaction, but I’m just some random dude posting comments on a minor blog, not a “digital forensics researcher.”

    Yes, some of those dudes are visible in Kyiv, and they seem to be committed to their cause (as opposed to the skater kids wearing MAGA hats) but, as the article buries “The sheer number of buildings Honor has tagged with graffiti and stickers bearing its logo has created an outsized perception of the group’s actual presence and influence in Kyiv.”

    Alleging that they are somehow representative of Ukraine is like saying Richard Spencer is representative of the US.

  85. 85.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 18, 2019 at 11:13 am

    In the meantime, the President’s “personal attorney” smears the United States’ highest-ranking female Foreign Service officer and brags that he – a private citizen – “forced her out”, and not one person in her chain of command says a word in her defense.

  86. 86.

    Ella in New Mexico

    December 18, 2019 at 11:16 am

    @Betty Cracker: Goddamn it, MSNBC. Why the fuck is Tweety covering this instead of Maddow?

    Just guessing-is it because this time slot will be the least important part of today’s hearings?

    The shit will really be hitting the fan later, and they’re saving their big guns like Nicole Wallace, Rachel Maddow and the best guest pundits for that period?

  87. 87.

    WaterGirl

    December 18, 2019 at 11:25 am

    @Immanentize: No beans in my chili, either. I consistently take second place in every chili competition I participate in. When it comes to chili, always a bridesmaid, never the bride.

  88. 88.

    zhena gogolia

    December 18, 2019 at 11:25 am

    @Gin & Tonic: 

    Depressingdepressingdepressing

  89. 89.

    WaterGirl

    December 18, 2019 at 11:28 am

    @zhena gogolia: Very sorry to hear that you’re frustrated to the point of going away. Twice this week I have made it clear to the developers that this is the #1 priority issue.

    Remind me … which browser do you use?

  90. 90.

    Josie

    December 18, 2019 at 11:29 am

    @Immanentize:

    Agreed that real Texas chili has no beans.  But I’m curious.  What makes it Mexican?

  91. 91.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 11:33 am

    @Josie: well, it is from a Mexican cook book, but the ingredient that makes it Mexican is….

    Oh, can I give away the secret?

    Cocoa

  92. 92.

    zhena gogolia

    December 18, 2019 at 11:36 am

    @WaterGirl: 

    Chrome. I won’t stop reading, I’ll just comment less.

  93. 93.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 11:37 am

    @WaterGirl: We should swap chili secrets some time? Always looking to improve. Second place? Who/what takes first?

  94. 94.

    Josie

    December 18, 2019 at 11:40 am

    @Immanentize: 
    Ah. And do you use chipotle chiles along with the cocoa?

  95. 95.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 18, 2019 at 11:43 am

    @WaterGirl:  Raymond Poulidor never won the Tour de France, and was known as “L’Eternel Second”, yet when he passed away recently was one of the most popular and best-loved athletes in France.

  96. 96.

    Yarrow

    December 18, 2019 at 11:43 am

    @zhena gogolia: Have you tried refreshing the tab a couple of times for your comment to appear? It’s an added step but it does show up.

  97. 97.

    Jay

    December 18, 2019 at 11:44 am

    @Alien Radio:

    all the Nazi Groups, not just the Ukrainian ones, but all the different groups by Nationality and location, all of the different groups by Agenda, tactics and policy, engage in “cross pollenation”.

    so, the armed III Militia does security for TERF’s giving speeches. Both groups hate Transgendered people, so by backing TERF’s, the III%’s get allies outside of normal facist circles and get a chance to spread facist white nationalist ideaology, to prople who have already shown that they are willing to drink hateraide, and arn’t that bright.

    So you get The Proud Boy Nazis and the League of the South showing up to “provide security” to Drag Queen Story Time to try to “win” converts amongst the Jesus Botherers and Homophobe protestors.

    studies of TERFism over time, show that it works as TERF groups, leaders and organizations have adopted more and more facist and nativist talking points over time.

    Because Nazis are willing to use violence, and live for the rush, they are seen by some as useful allies by some protest groups, ( eg.Yellow Vests Canada). It’s also seen, by the Nazis, just as the low intensity wars are, as a useful means of “live event” training, and they really don’t care much about “The Cause” in many cases.

    so the Ukrainian Nazis showed up in Hong Kong, hoping to “get involved”, network, win some converts and allies, be seen by some as “useful allies” by shareing their experience of tactics, strategy and techniques they have used, while learning new tactics, strategies, and techniques from the Hong Kong protestors.

    Instead, they were “outed” and “doxxed” as Nazis and kicked to the curb.

    A key component of Nazi recruitment is for the Nazis, not to be seen as Nazis, instead as just a bunch of rather intense guys with some radical ideas. Then, bit by bit, they radicalize those who have let them in.

  98. 98.

    WaterGirl

    December 18, 2019 at 11:50 am

    @Immanentize: I am consistently second, no matter the competition. First place always varies. I am the one constant.
    Would definitely swap recipes after Christmas when it is less hectic.
    Testing.

    Testing.

    less hectic.

  99. 99.

    WaterGirl

    December 18, 2019 at 11:52 am

    @Gin & Tonic: so everyone in France loves me? That is so awesome! :-)

  100. 100.

    Josie

    December 18, 2019 at 11:57 am

    @WaterGirl: 
    Please include me in the swap, if you do. Chili is one of my passions.

  101. 101.

    Gin & Tonic

    December 18, 2019 at 12:03 pm

    @zhena gogolia:  Want to get more depressed? All roads lead to Firtash.

  102. 102.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 12:08 pm

    @Josie: sometimes, but mostly I use homegrown poblanos

  103. 103.

    Cckids

    December 18, 2019 at 12:09 pm

    @Immanentize: 
    Cocoa is an excellent addition. I add a bottle of chocolate stout to mine, it’s very popular!

  104. 104.

    Immanentize

    December 18, 2019 at 12:10 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: See where no doping gets you?

  105. 105.

    Alien Radio

    December 18, 2019 at 12:11 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: yeah, And the one guy Trump hasn’t thrown under the bus yet is Steven Millar. I just wish I had a better handle on what the vast right wing conspiracies are doing, you have to keep track of a lot of people scamming a lot of people.

  106. 106.

    Josie

    December 18, 2019 at 12:16 pm

    @Cckids: 

    Chocolate stout is a great idea. I marinate the meat in beer prior to cooking, but using the stout would kill two birds with one stone.

  107. 107.

    Leto

    December 18, 2019 at 12:16 pm

    @Immanentize: You’re not that far away, might have to take you up on that! Who can resist the double meat?!?! :)

  108. 108.

    rikyrah

    December 18, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    @Immanentize: 

    I love beans in my chili…LOL

  109. 109.

    Just One More Canuck

    December 18, 2019 at 1:19 pm

    @WaterGirl: Just like Jerry Lewis

  110. 110.

    WaterGirl

    December 18, 2019 at 1:59 pm

    @Just One More Canuck: You did not just say that!!!

  111. 111.

    J R in WV

    December 18, 2019 at 3:43 pm

     

    I love beans. All kinds of beans, mostly. Even fava beans. So when I make chili, I put beans in. I also like potatoes, but I don’t put them in the chili. That would just be silly. I have to say, I’ve become less and less fond of cumin over the years, so I don’t really care to put much of that in anything. Curry powders of various regions, and similar spice blends. Peppers, also too.

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