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Schadenfreude Open Thread: #HeWentToJared

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(Which is worth, admittedly, no votes come November; but we know Kushner & Trump both have staff diligently collecting every social-media comment about them, and we know it’s chafing two pampered pasty-white behinds. The bigger a liability Young Prince Jared appears, the more chance his Real Dad, the Squatter-in-Chief, will get annoyed enough to do something risible and hopefully disastrous. )

When Tucker Carlson (not to mention the horse-race Axios drones) think you’re a liability…

President Trump has told people in recent days that he regrets following some of son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner’s political advice — including supporting criminal justice reform — and will stick closer to his own instincts, three people with direct knowledge of the president’s thinking tell Axios.

Behind the scenes: One person who spoke with the president interpreted his thinking this way: “No more of Jared’s woke s***.” Another said Trump has indicated that following Kushner’s advice has harmed him politically…

The president also pays close attention to Fox News’ Tucker Carlson. A few weeks ago, in a brutal monologue, Carlson blamed Kushner for giving Trump bad advice.

“In 2016, Donald Trump ran as a law-and-order candidate because he meant it,” Carlson said. “And his views remain fundamentally unchanged today. But the president’s famously sharp instincts, the ones that won him the presidency almost four years ago, have been since subverted at every level by Jared Kushner.”

It hasn’t escaped Trump’s attention that Carlson has recently been the highest-rated host on cable news. Trump, generally skeptical about polls, views television ratings as a kind of substitute poll, according to a person who’s discussed the subject with him…

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  2. 2.

    Mary G

    I thought that was a great video, especially the part at the end where Jared says the economy’s opening up and will be rocking by July. No one has been as spectacularly wrong about as many things as Jared has, except possibly Twitler.

  3. 3.

    Yutsano

    So…I’m supposed to feel what here exactly? Am I supposed to suddenly feel sorry for Jared here? He’s a spoiled idiot child thrust into power based on his political marriage. I could not care less for him or anyone else in his idiotic family. If he starts getting sidelined oh well. They all still gotta go and be stripped of their criminal gains they got while in office.

  5. 5.

    West of the Rockies

    If a steel beam accidently slipped its surly bonds and caved in that (sm)ugly face, I would not feel bad.

  6. 6.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    REMINDER: Kushner thought firing Comey was a good idea that would make the whole Russia thing magically go away.

    The interesting question to me is what this says about the instincts of Mark Meadows, former congressman and founder of the House Freedom Fascist Caucus

    “In 2016, Donald Trump ran as a law-and-order candidate because he meant it,” Carlson said. “And his views remain fundamentally unchanged today. But the president’s famously sharp instincts, the ones that won him the presidency almost four years ago, have been since subverted at every level by Jared Kushner.”

    Victim Trump is being subverted! He’s absolutely helpless against the people that serve at his pleasure! Reminder 100001 that Carlson is still a clown

  7. 7.

    Shalimar

    @Yutsano: I think we’re supposed to hope Trump hates Jared more and more, gives him a terrible nickname, undermines him at every turn, but doesn’t actually get rid of the incompetent buffoon.

  8. 8.

    Gin & Tonic

    Three people with direct knowledge of his thinking? All Tom Friedman taxi drivers? I mean that just screams “this story is based on shit I pulled out of my ass 10 minutes before deadline.”

  9. 9.

    Emma

    Since this thread features one of the premier fail-families, may I take the opportunity to introduce everyone to the trashy soap opera that is the Lee family of Singapore. PM Lee Hsien Loong fell out with his siblings in 2015 over LKY’s will, and last week, Lee Hsien Yang took the feud up a notch by joining an opposition party. Here is a viral explainer video, in glorious Singlish, going around Singaporean social media: https://www.facebook.com/100012640037006/videos/990790868018905/

    Is it too much to ask for a ruling family that doesn’t degenerate into a soap opera by the 2nd generation, I ask you? LKY’s daughter and LHY’s wife are also real pieces of work, while LHL’s wife is a nincompoop, but that’s another story…

  11. 11.

    laura

    Vapid gormless waxfaced shitweasel who’s been tasked with so much and failed in all, keeping a grudge rolodex and planning retribution as the only policy goal for a second term in a job he’s entirely unqualified for and looking to shiv anyone who crosses him. I look forward to his comeuppance.

  12. 12.

    Cheryl Rofer

    Has Jared taken a leave of absence from his government job to run his daddy-in-law’s campaign?

    Is he still working on Middle East Peace? Speeding up delivery of necessary tests and equipment to the states?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    And with that, I’m going to bed.

  14. 14.

    John Revolta

    @Yutsano: Go with the schadenfreude. Let it flow over your body and warm you inside and out. These are the worst people in the world, and they’re turning on each other like rabid weasels. Now they have even fewer people that they trust and count as friends.

  20. 20.

    SectionH

    I’ve been liking the MeidasTouch videos, but they’re still learnin’. Maybe trying to throw in too much? I like that they tackled the feckless idjit Jared, but the punchline is Trump pretends Jared can do things, and he’s a feckless idjit.

  24. 24.

    Mai naem mobile

    Jared’s a moron and all, but the fact that Donnie still uses him does not speak well of Donnie’s judgement. He should have at the least stuck him in some ornamental position in the WH if he couldn’t kick his ass out of the WH.

    BTW I have a cousin who in his younger days was a doppelganger for Jared. He’s objectively smart though. His parents didn’t have to pay for him to get into a good university.

  25. 25.

    Kay

    Carlson blamed Kushner

    Oh, good. The assholes blaming one another is a good sign.

    Peter Thiel has told people he plans to sit out this year’s campaign because he thinks Trump’s re-election is increasingly a long shot. He described the Trump campaign as the S.S. Minnow, a reference to the ship that ran aground on “Gilligan’s Island.”

    Such a sad, mopey billionaire. Like anyone gives a shit if he “sits out” this campaign. Like we were all waiting to see what he would do.

  27. 27.

    Balconesfault

    @Mary G: is there anyone in the Trump administration who has a decent track record of consistently being right on anything?

  28. 28.

    SFAW

    @Yutsano:

    So…I’m supposed to feel what here exactly?

    Maybe hoping that somewhere there’s a Continental Op involved, a la “Red Harvest”?

  32. 32.

    Amir Khalid

    @Emma:

    Now that you mention it, I suppose it does make sense to think of Lee Kuan Yew as a sort of Singaporean Kim Il-Sung. Even though he’s not much loved by Malaysians, I do credit Lee Kuan Yew for driving Singapore to become to Malaysia kind of what Monaco is to France. By the way, does BG Lee happen to be grooming a son to become a future PM?

  33. 33.

    Carlo

    Stop being mean to Jared. He has a condition: Amentia, aggravated by cranio-rectal impaction. Apparently it’s hereditary.

  35. 35.

    Alison Rose

    “Jared’s woke shit”

    Well, at least Lil’ Kush has his first album title once this family of festering wounds exits stage left in November.

  38. 38.

    Emma

    @phdesmond: Yeah, I feel you, so much info jammed into 4.5 minutes. It would have been at least triple the run-time in regular English XD

    There’s a Singlish phrase “come, I clap for you” to denote sarcastic or condescending praise, and I think it every time there’s some grand pronouncement from the Lees.

  39. 39.

    Mai naem mobile

    @Kay: is Peter Thiel even in the US or is he sitting out the pandemic at his hideout/bunker in New Zealand?

  42. 42.

    smike

    @Mary G:

    No one has been as spectacularly wrong about as many things as Jared has, except possibly Twitler.

    Awww, Bill Crystal has a sad…

  43. 43.

    SectionH

    @Kay: I’ve never felt quite the same way about New Zealand since Peter Thiel bought his citizenship there. Jacinta wasn’t PM then, because I think if… well, maybe not. It pissed off a lot of New Zealanders too.

  44. 44.

    Kay

    @Mai naem mobile:

    I love the petulant tone of it. “That’s it. I’m NOT playing”. Remember that? How you would announce that when you were a kid? NOT playing. That’s how mad I am :)

  45. 45.

    Emma

    @Amir Khalid: if you believe the video, LHL wants Li Hongyi (elder son by Ho Ching) to be a future PM, but I’m so out of the loop that I really have no idea. My mom’s circle were all sad that Tharman was no longer in the position to be next PM, but I don’t know if he was every really in the running, TBH. At least Heng Swee Keat is acceptable, but he recently made an extremely cringey speech to East Coast residents, after PAP decided all of a sudden to run him there. This election is really pulling out all the stops in funny videos, I have to find the Heng Swee Keat video, hold on…

  46. 46.

    SectionH

    And curse them and crush them – the entire fucking Trumpist crew – the Worldcon is in Wellington this year. Yeah, they’re carrying on, but damn.

  47. 47.

    Kay

    @Amir Khalid:

    All I’m saying is you don’t see anyone blaming anyone for Joe Biden’s campaign. The more they snipe at each other the better it is.

  49. 49.

    James E Powell

    Jared’s smug expression, plastic face, & soul-less eyes remind me of Reinhard Heydrich.

  50. 50.

    Kilgore Trout

    @laura: Vapid gormless waxfaced shitweasel

    I was today years old when I learned what gormless means, and I’m no spring chicken. It fits him. Perfectly.

  52. 52.

    Villago Delenda Est

    Wow, “conservatives” are getting even more batshit; there’s talk of Fucker Swanson being their candidate in 2024.

  53. 53.

    Kilgore Trout

    @Amir Khalid: In this Gilligan’s Island scenario

    As someone snarked on Twitter, this is a terrible analogy. There was a scientist on that trip.

     

  54. 54.

    sdhays

    Carlson has recently been the highest-rated host on cable news.

    This is just jaw droppingly disgusting, if true. Who could possibly watch that piece of shit, night after night?

  55. 55.

    Redshift

    @Balconesfault:

    is there anyone in the Trump administration who has a decent track record of consistently being right on anything?

    By definition, no. Trump hired them, and he has surrounded himself with yes-men his entire life, so anyone who works for him is going to be as wrong as he is.

  56. 56.

    Kay

    @KarlRove
    , an informal TRUMP campaign adviser, says @POTUS needs to demonstrate competence & discipline.
    “Anything that undermines this—a needless tweet, a focus on a less important topic or a feud—increases the odds that Trump will be a 1-term @POTUS

    I love this idea they all have that he’s deciding not to demonstrate competence and discipline, just stubbornly refusing to be a completely different person. Like that’s what’s going on here.

  57. 57.

    Kay

    @sdhays:

    They’re floating him as their next Presidential candidate. Not kidding. Not only are they planning another Trump, they’re eagerly pre-planning one even before we’ve even gotten rid of this one.

    That Party is not redeemable. It can’t be salvaged. They’re bad. They show poor judgment.

  58. 58.

    Redshift

    @Amir Khalid:

    In this Gilligan’s Island scenario, does Thiel see himself as Thurston Howell III? 

    That fits, and “sitting out the campaign” is Howell saving himself by climbing into the lifeboat and assuming there will be someone who will row him to land.

  59. 59.

    Yutsano

    @Kay: I have to be honest: I cannot wait until the massive pile-up for 2024 starts coming in for the Republicans. Hell it wouldn’t even surprise me if Dolt45 tries running again. If he’s not dead. Or in jail. Or exiled to Russia or Saudi Arabia.

  60. 60.

    Mai naem mobile

    @Kay: the Verge article says Thiel is disappointed by Donny’s inadequate handling of the COVID pandemic . He’s mad at Donny because he thinks that there’s going to be a deep recession because of the way COVID was handled. No shit, sherlock.  Yeah, Mr Libertarian is upset that the government(which he doesn’t want to fund) didn’t take care of the pandemic.

  63. 63.

    Mike in NC

    Tucker Carlson went from being a lightweight bowtie-wearing doofus to a bloated clone of Bill O’Reilly.

  64. 64.

    Kay

    @Mai naem mobile:

    Oh, they know they fucked up covid. Pence looks like a deer in the headlights. I think it dawned on them last week “this is…really bad”. I sometimes think about what they do all day. They never actually accomplish anything but there’s this sense of frantic urgency. Busy, busy, busy but yet…nothing.

  66. 66.

    frosty

    @HumboldtBlue: OMG Redtails would be a great name. They wouldn’t have to change the colors and the NFL could keep their militarization of the opening ceremonies. With Mustangs!

  68. 68.

    West of the Rockies

    @Mai naem mobile:

    There have been a lot of conservatives on Dancing with the Stars.  Do they have liberals, too?  Why do they keep having people like Spicer and Carlson on that show?

  71. 71.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @Kay:

    Apparently, the unemployment rate is at 11% now. There’s still time for the COVID epidemics in the South and Southwest to undermine that progress between now and November

  74. 74.

    Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)

    @David ? ☘The Establishment☘? Koch:

    This. I call it “Dancing With the Has-Beens”

    @Martin:

    I honestly don’t get what people see in that show, especially since Disney took over ABC. Disney regularly uses DWS to advertise it’s brand. On top of that, it’s way too sexed up; the male dancers almost always tear off their shirts

  76. 76.

    rikyrah

    @Kay:

    They all followed Dolt45. His pure incompetence. They had mad shyt to say about the Blue state Governors who got hit first, but now that the red states are getting hit.

    And, also now when you can see elsewhere what “the other side of the curve” looks like, and, it’s not America….magnifies his incompetence.

  80. 80.

    mrmoshpotato

    @West of the Rockies: If a steel beam accidently slipped its surly bonds and caved in that (sm)ugly face, I would not feel bad.

    I would feel bad for the I-beam.  (And would hope it was still structurally sound so it didn’t go to waste.  Oh wait, caving in Jared’s face…it would have served a higher purpose.)

  84. 84.

    Geoduck

    @Yutsano:  If the Shiatgibbon loses to Biden, I fully expect he’ll immediately announce he’s running again in four years and start campaigning. (Barring as noted crippling legal or health issues.)

  85. 85.

    patrick II

    @Geoduck:

    You can’t bar legal issues.  About five minutes after Biden gets control of the IRS we will see his tax returns.  We already know (from Cohen) that he committed fraud.  Not to mention bribing Stormy Daniels. Barr won’t be there to protect him any longer.

  86. 86.

    Poe Larity

    A suggestion for the next Lincoln Project ad:

    Revelation 13:5-8.

    “The Beast had a loudmouth, boastful and blasphemous. It could do anything it wanted for forty-two months. It was permitted to make war on God’s holy people and conquer them. It held absolute sway over all tribes and peoples, tongues and races. Everyone on earth whose name was not written from the world’s foundation in the slaughtered Lamb’s Book of Life will worship the Beast.”

    July is 42 months.

  87. 87.

    Ruckus

    @John Revolta:

    Now they have even fewer people that they trust and count as friends.

    They don’t actually trust anyone, because they screw over, in one way or another, everyone. And they don’t have friends, they have people. Who run in the same circles and know each other’s proclivities, so they won’t rat each other out except to save their own asses

    It is after all, a dogshit eat dogshit world.

  88. 88.

    joel hanes

    @Kay:

    what they do all day. They never actually accomplish anything but there’s this sense of frantic urgency. Busy, busy, busy but yet…nothing.

    This futile vacuity is a defining characteristic the forces of evil in CS Lewis’s problematic but interesting and memorable third novel in the Space trilogy, That Hideous Strength.

  89. 89.

    joel hanes

    @Poe Larity:

    IMHO, Revelation has caused more harm in the western world than any other book, and should never have been included in the canon.

  93. 93.

    A woman from anywhere (formerly Mohagan)

    @Chetan Murthy: One of the maxims my husband taught me when I was learning to watch NFL games: when watching a game between two teams when you dislike both teams, root for injuries.

  95. 95.

    John Revolta

    @Ruckus: Yeah, I was talking specifically Trump and Kushner. If Trump had anybody who he trusted, who he went to reflexively when he needed his right-hand guy, it was that yutz. Now he’s even turning on him. It’s delicious.

  96. 96.

    Anne Laurie

    @sdhays: This is just jaw droppingly disgusting, if true. Who could possibly watch that piece of shit, night after night?

    Fox News target demographic:  Elderly white shut-ins.   Easiest marks for reverse mortgages, gold bricks, and related scams.   Hopefully *not* enough to win a national election, if we can keep the GOP / GRU from voltronning again!

  97. 97.

    Sm*t Cl*de

    @Goku (aka Amerikan Baka):

    Victim Trump is being subverted! He’s absolutely helpless against the people that serve at his pleasure!

    For some reason I think of all the Japanese generals and politicians who went to the gallows after the Late Pacific Unpleasantness for the crime of advising Hirohito to commit war crimes, since it was politically inexpedient to admit that Hirohito had agency – let alone stretch his own neck.

  99. 99.

    cmorenc

    @Alison Rose:&bsp;

    Well, at least Lil’ Kush has his first album title once this family of festering wounds exits stage left in November.

    Unfortunately, they don’t leave until 2 and a half months after the election, giving them way too much time to spite-vandalize the country and federal government. Will the renovation crews that feverishly work during the inauguration ceremony and parade have time to clean all the shit thrown on the walls and repaint in such a short time? It will be a task only a bit easier than cleaning the Augean stables in Greek myth.

  100. 100.

    artem1s

    I have absolutely no sympathy for the felonious princeling.  However, ya gotta wonder whether those complaining about Kushner are ready to bust out of the dog whistle anti-semitism and go full metal John Birch Society. I wonder if part of these complaints might stem from certain Jewish donors withholding their money from the re-election campaign.  Anyone know if Sheldon is having buyers remorse?  In any case, the blame must land somewhere and underbussing Kushner has a lot of upside for Hair Fuhrer.

  101. 101.

    Another Scott

    @patrick II:

    Mary Trump says she learned her uncle the President, her aunt the federal judge, and their brother had defrauded her because of the New York Times’ investigative work. pic.twitter.com/tVYT6e1glx

    — southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 3, 2020

    (Several excerpts from the legal back-and-forth in that thread. E.g. telling her that a property was worth $41.4M and a decade later telling others it was worth $900M.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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