There’s a story in today’s Tampa Bay Times about how Trump’s decision to pull the plug on the Republican National Convention in Jacksonville under-bused Florida Governor Ron DeSantis:
It was a chance for the 41-year-old Republican to snag a top billing during Trump’s final coronation and test the waters for a potential run at the GOP presidential nomination in 2024. In an interview last month, Republican Party Chairman Joe Gruters said he expected the convention would “put Gov. DeSantis in the spotlight and add fuel to his efforts to make a national name for himself.”
But Trump’s sudden announcement Thursday not only dashed those plans, but raised doubts about DeSantis’ own response to the coronavirus. On the same day DeSantis contended Florida’s outbreak was showing signs of slowing down, Trump argued it was too dangerous to hold a convention there…
The reversal came just seven weeks after DeSantis convinced Trump’s campaign to move the GOP’s biggest quadrennial event from Charlotte to Jacksonville amid a pandemic. Florida could fly in and put up thousands of delegates, fete Trump in style and keep attendees safe from a fast-spreading disease, DeSantis said in June. And they could do it without all those pesky safety restrictions that North Carolina’s Gov. Roy Cooper would have required in Charlotte. On top of that, the governor boldly predicted a $100 million economic windfall for Jacksonville.
No debut on the national stage for DeSantis. No windfall for Jacksonville — in fact, donors and local officials were left holding the bag for the canceled event.
I happened to be watching CNN when Trump announced that the convention was a no-go. I usually lunge for the remote when the Great Rotten Pumpkin looms onto the screen and wait for the Sarah Cooper version. But this time I listened, unsurprised yet stupefied by the clownish, self-congratulatory way Trump drove the clown bus over DeSantis and assorted others:
This afternoon, my political team came to me and laid out our plans for the convention in Jacksonville, Florida. It’s a place I love and I love that state. The drawings look absolutely beautiful. I never thought we could have something look so good so fast with everything going on. And everything was going well. A tremendous list of speakers, thousands of people wanting to be there, and I mean, in some cases desperately be there. They wanted to attend. People making travel arrangements all over the country. They wanted to be there. The pageantry, the signs, the excitement were really, really top of the line.
But I looked at my team and I said, “The timing for this event is not right. It’s just not right with what’s happened recently, the flare up in Florida, to have a big convention. It’s not the right time.” It’s really something that, for me, I have to protect the American… really something that for me, I have to protect the American people. That’s what I’ve always done. That’s what I always will do. That’s what I’m about.
They said, “Sir, we can make this work very easily. We have great enthusiasm, incredible enthusiasm.” Even the polls say about the most enthusiasm they’ve seen. We can do this safely and we can do it responsibly. I said, there’s nothing more important in our country than keeping our people safe, whether that’s from the China virus or the radical left mob that you see in Portland… People elected me to help and to protect. So I told my team it’s time to cancel the Jacksonville, Florida, component of the GOP Convention.
It’s easy to imagine what REALLY happened. Perhaps it fell to a flunky like Ronna ROMNEY McDaniel, Jared or not-Parscale to tell Trump that:
- The coronavirus is spiraling out of control in Florida
- 62% of Floridians in a recent poll said they don’t want the super-spreader event held here as our hospitals fill up
- The local Republican sheriff said last week “we can’t pull it off” due to lack of funds, poor planning and a scarcity of law enforcement personnel.
Trump probably threw a screaming hissy fit about “the pageantry” and the thousands “desperately wanting to be there” and the ratings bonanza, blah blah blah. But then someone like Kellyanne or Ivanka pitched the cancellation as an opportunity to showcase his role as America’s protector against the virus and the radical left mob. So he waddled out and said what he said. Thump-thump.
It’s a humiliating disaster for Trump, and it’s a seismic shit-storm for DeSantis too. One RNC official described it as “a multimillion dollar debacle and think of where that money could have gone,” i.e., testing, tracking and tracing. Whomp-whomp.
Open thread.
JDM
It has the classic “Sir” tell.
germy
Can you imagine a President DeSantis?
/
Well, I couldn’t really imagine a President Trump, either.
germy
trollhattan
Pity. I wonder what Michael Flynn has planned now for his August.
If anybody us using Garmin exercise and navigation gear, such as their nerd watches, and finding Connect and other apps not working, they’re in the middle of ransomware attack. Since Thursday!
Eljai
DeSantis looks older than 41. I don’t like to dunk on someone’s appearance, but he kind of looks like he’s been stress eating. And I speak as someone who knows about stress eating.
MattF
Also, the money could have been used for the campaign. Must be fun now to go back to the big donors and say ‘Oopsie’.
germy
Maybe they’ll sprout into the 2024 republican presidential nominee?
trollhattan
This is pretty weird.
Mixed emotions. While I believe Russia and China have been getting away with copious industrial espionage essentially unpunished, the Navarro-triggered trade war and our unwillingness to team with China on the COVID fight have been disastrous.
trollhattan
@germy:
That’s…odd.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I’ve been banging my head against this brick wall for going on four years now, but how does anyone listen to this clown and not see a clown? This piece from the Washington Post features a restaurant owner in PA who’s turned on trump
Welcome to the light and all, but I still just want to scream: “WHAT PART OF EIGHT BANKRUPTCIES DID YOU NOT GET!?!”. And don’t get me started “mix things up”, but clueless about how our government actually works is hardly limited to trumpies or ‘wingers. Like I said, its like banging your head against a brick wall.
Another Scott
It’s kinda funny how the importance of universal paid sick leave sorta disappeared from the discussion, isn’t it?
Grr…
Cheers,
Scott.
Cameron
He left out the part where his team approached him WITH TEARS IN THEIR EYES.
Another Scott
re: DeSantis:
+1
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
How to tell the restaurant you’re about to eat at is owned by an asshole.
What’s the name of that movie? Right: “Get Out!”
MattF
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: That whole ‘stupid + incompetent’ thing. The many ex-whatever ex-Trump administration officials who converged on ‘moron’ as the best descriptor. Some people are now getting the picture, we can hope it’s not too late.
germy
@trollhattan:
Here’s an asshole place. Look at the whiny message on their front page (he took down the “I hate my governor” bit, but the rest is still there)
https://www.bergiesbar.com/
Santa Clarita Restaurant Owners Under Fire After They Openly Harassed a Fruit Vendor
rikyrah
They thought they would show North Carolina???
WaterGirl
oh my god, the dumpster is the hero in his own story. every time. about everything. There’s gotta be a name for that level of… I don’ t even have words for it.
he must lie to himself, all day, every day, about everything. that is one sick bastard.
is there a word for humiliating yourself, day in and day out, and not knowing it?
LuciaMia
Yeah, Trump trying to style himself as The Great Father, looking out for us all!
****************
How many times did he repeat how people so wanted to attend…desperately?
The more times you insist on something, like his cognitive test, the fishier it sounds.
JPL
He needs to quit if what he said is true..
LuciaMia
@germy: Oy, Im flashing on “Invasion of the Body Snatchers.”
trollhattan
@germy:
Yeesh. “Wonderful people on boff sides, no, just one side, the ones with torches.”
Also, too, 2005 called and would like its web design back.
trollhattan
@WaterGirl:
Suspect he crossed the line of no return in his 30s at the latest.
SiubhanDuinne
Can’t. Stop. Smiling. ???
Another Scott
(via HelenBranswell)
Cheers,
Scott.
ThresherK
Oh, TBTimes, who really had doubts about DeSantis’ response, even in early June?
Seanly
Isn’t DeSantis just another incompetent ideologue like every flash-in-the-pan Next White Guy Savior of the Republican Party? And that was BEFORE he screwed the pooch on Covid in Florida? Who dafuq would want him as President?
I do hope that if we learn any lessons from Trump as President, it is that there is a benefit to someone with some bare qualifications for the President.
Martin
If this grand experiment should fail, Dunning-Kruger need to write the obituary. It’s not just that the GOP has busted their notions of governance to such a degree that any Republican smart enough to be president recognizes they can’t possibly govern under this set of expectations and therefore basically never runs. That part is straightforward enough. What’s more interesting to me is why so many voters in this country keep falling for it. I mean, I get that these candidates are too dumb to realize how dumb they are, but 3rd party observers surely can see it, and yet they make this collective decision to not see it. It’s a kind of Dunning-Kruger by proxy.
geg6
They cancelled because no one was coming. I don’t believe for a second that lack of security or high COVID numbers had anything to do with it other than being convenient excuses. He wasn’t going to get his show with massive adoring crowds and so he took his marbles and went home. As always, it’s all about him, his ego and avoiding humiliation.
HinTN
@trollhattan: Most definitely not for me!
What a tool.
patrick II
This may have been noted in comments before, but in case not:
Our Republican impeachment hero Mitt Romney inserted a rider into the new Republican version of the emergency COVID bill that would reduce Medicare and social security payments. Reducing medicare at a time when there is a pandemic that especially attacks older people, is such a Mitt thing to do.
Geminid
I read that after his public inaugural, DeSantis held a private ceremony in which a preacher anointed him with oil, like he was some old testament king. These people believe their own bullshit. I hope someone will leak the administration’s prospective plans to open up the eastern Gulf of Mexico to oil drilling. That would put a dagger into the Republicans’ Florida project.
sdhays
“I didn’t think the leopards would eat MY face!”
MC
41 is much too young to look 55.
Cameron
@rikyrah: And they did! They showed their ass!
JPL
@patrick II: wtf
patrick II
@WaterGirl:
Trumping
sdhays
@geg6: Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
JPL
Jon Ossoff’s wife has Covid and he is in self isolation as a result. link
MattF
@Martin: The prime example is Trump beating all the other R candidates in 2016. Trump was the one making promises– all lies, of course, but apparently more attractive than the various alternatives on display.
Cameron
@Seanly: He’s tried so hard to be Trump’s Mini-Me. I think he’s a lot dumber than Greg Abbott (who’s mostly just evil). Christ, we could have had Andrew Gillum…..
Ceci n est pas mon nym
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: My wife was reading a thing today about Trump University. One Trump supporter who had been one of the many victims is still a believer. “I think it was the instructors’ fault that the seminars were just sales pitches for more seminars, not Trump’s.” “I think the Covid response is other people’s fault, and how suspicious that it was released in an election year, hmmm?”
Aleta
And Sen. Rick Scott described everything as perfect. A spy gave the information to a crooked NYT whistleblower, which is treason. And the way they described a beautiful perfect convention is criminal and fraudulent.
Baud
@geg6: That is my theory too.
SiubhanDuinne
Regis Philbin has died. A month shy of his 89th birthday.
Mike in NC
Our close friends in Tampa Bay hope to retire in a year and then flee Florida forever. I’ve never been to Key West but have no inclination of seeing any other part of Florida.
zhena gogolia
J.-L. Cauvin is my new favorite comedian. He is a brilliant guy. He’s been doing famous movie monologues in Trump’s voice. But my favorites are when he just improvises.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15IlTlGfDcw
I watched his monologue from ten years ago on Craig Ferguson — he’s half Haitian, half Irish.
MattF
@geg6: I can see that. The notion that Trump did something rational and for the nation’s best interest is… far-fetched.
pamelabrown53
@patrick II:
Why would Romney do something so stupid as inserting a social security/medicare reduction rider? Where did you find this info, Patrick? Because this seems like seriously important news.
Aleta
@geg6: He intended to skim money to pay off the loans coming due on his properties. As it is, he’ll probably pocket as much as he can of the $ that donors were swindled into putting up.
Dorothy A. Winsor
DeSantis and Kemp are in a contest to see which one is more stupid. I’ve seen only occasional pictures of them, and to me, they even look alike. Generic white guy.
MoCA Ace
Had I seen that on TV I would have thrown something through it and, hearing my offensive screams of rage, little children and animals for miles around would recoil in horror. I don’t watch him for fear of stroking out before November.
pamelabrown53
@WaterGirl:
Malecifant!
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
DeSantis is the new Scott Brown!
I can’t imagine Trump will be able to keep up this veneer of compassionate, thoughtful leader for the next 3+ months.
zhena gogolia
@MoCA Ace:
I mean it’s literally stolen from a Biden speech.
Vomit, vomit, vomit . . . .
Jeffro
Only in the modern GOP could Ron DeSantis be considered a potential presidential contender.
then again, until they prove otherwise, after nominating trumpov and backing him so enthusiastically these past four years, technically every dumbass, grifter, traitor, and drunk at the end of the bar is eligible to be their nominee.
you move, GOP
zhena gogolia
@patrick II:
He was never a hero to me. But at least he did the bare minimum, unlike the rest of them.
trollhattan
@Geminid:
Speaking of righteous assault on our natural resources, news from the opposite corner from Florida.
Wonder how much this hinges on [checks Friday gold price] $1,901.65/oz? Nice to see we’re giving Canadian mining companies a “fair” shot at destroying our wildlands.
debbie
@germy:
Their first clue should have come when there was no label on the seed package.
ETA: I’ll toss in a PSA for the gardeners here:
lgerard
The real reason trump cancelled his plague party is simple.
NO ONE would put up the funding for it.
The big donors got burned once, that was enough
Mike in NC
@germy: Note the telltale cop flag in the upper right corner. We were behind a pickup truck a few days ago that had a Trump bumper sticker, and located right above that was the stupid cop flag (which I had to explain to my wife).
Ksmiami
@patrick II: there is no one in that leper vulture party that isn’t a criminally insane sociopath. The GOP must be paved over with cement and lye
pamelabrown53
@Mike in NC:
Florida is blessed with much natural beauty in the floral and fauna departments.
Sorry, Mike, but it aggravates the shit out of me when people belittle a state solely on the basis of the prevailing political power.
Many, many fine people are working their asses off to effect change. Please don’t discount them. Plus, if you love birds, flowers,etc., Florida is a paradise.
A Ghost to Most
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: t* is a malignant symptom, not the disease.
sdhays
@MattF: Everything about the announcement pissed me off (other than the content). First, Dump announces the cancellation of RNC Jacksonville during his COVID press event. He’s the fucking President of the United States; it’s fucking appalling that this is something that rises to his level. For any other President, details about the party’s national convention would be announced by the party, not even the nominee’s Presidential campaign. But since Dump doesn’t have anything better to do and he wanted to make news, this shit is announced by the President.
Then, after all the reporting of how it was a looming disaster, even if Florida wasn’t succumbing to the new plague, the press just accepts that Dump pulled the plug making his own big boy determination.
They KNOW that everything he says are lies, so why doesn’t their reporting show some skepticism? They’re STILL letting him write his own narrative when their own reporting shows it’s not true.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@pamelabrown53: there’s a write-up at Raw Story. It looks like a plan to create another Bowles-Simpson type waste of time and resources. Warner, Jones, Manchin, Sinema are co-sponsors, along with Angus King
JaySinWA
I thought the No Labels thing was dead. https://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/welcome-no-labels-party
Mike in NC
@Seanly:
Trump had precisely two qualifications for president: he was white and a man. Nothing else.
raven
Before Fleetwood Mac was a “pop” band they were a blues band. RIP Peter Green.
pamelabrown53
@Dorothy A. Winsor:
I agree. I believe that both DeSantis and Kemp are such Trumpies that they believe that only appealing to the wingnuts is a winning strategy. Absolutely no conscience or morals: they only pursue power.
Mike in NC
@patrick II: Mitt has never ceased being a shit. Never forget his rotten 2012 campaign.
Another Scott
@germy:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/china-seed-mailings/
Donnie has taught the world – Always be scammin’!!
:-/
[eta:] Early in the pandemic I ordered 24 rolls of toilet paper from some place online that showed up in a search. Months went by. Finally a tiny soft package from China arrived, the label said “shoes”, and inside was about a 1/8th normal size roll of TP. Hmmm…
Cheers,
Scott.
trollhattan
@Mike in NC:
Hey, orange! He’s orange and a man. Although I question whether he’s human at all.
rikyrah
@MattF:
Money well grifted??
Geminid
@Mike in NC: Ft. Pickens, across from Pensacola, in the Gulf Islands National Seashore, is worth a visit, and is a great campground. Twelve miles of waterfront, Gulf and Pensacola Bay. Good biking and walking. I camped there last winter, and I had my own concrete pillbox twenty feet from my tent. With a pretty flowering shrub. And the admission includes fishing off a nice little pier. (out of state Florida fishing licenses are expensive!). But if trump is reelected, be sure to get there before the oil slick does.
trollhattan
@Mike in NC:
“Who DID loosen those canines? Who? Who?” Willard’s so wooden I have 2x4s that can salsa dance by comparison.
Princess Leia
@trollhattan: I have been watching the Brooks Falls cams on Explore.org. It is enraging that this beautiful place Katmai National park, and the ecosystem that is sustained by the salmon, is endangered by this despicable project of greed and theft.
raven
@Geminid: A three day is only $17. I buy an annual for $47 and catch the price in redfish! That park is as close to the Outer Banks as you’ll find. Here’s one of the WW2 bunkers with this cool trees.
pamelabrown53
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Thank you so much!
patrick II
@pamelabrown53:
There is a link at Truthout (for one)
GOP COVID Bill Includes Romney Bill to Slash Social Security and Medicare
I should have put a link in the first place because it is so Snydley Whiplash evil that people would be skeptical. But that is your modern Republican party.
trollhattan
@raven:
Yeah, today I am sad. Green was the best guitarist to come out of the British blues scene, and it produced a LOT of great guitarists.
I hope he gets a full bio at some point because his life took many twists and turns, many of them quite unfortunate.
Somewhere I have a CD, by his Splinter Group I think, autographed “Peter Greenbaum.”
patrick II
@zhena gogolia:
Yeah, he did vote for impeachment — but why? Perhaps because Trump is so damaged politically that it hurts Mitt’s chances for stealing from the poor more politely?
raven
@trollhattan: Yea, he did have some issues but the dude could play.
Jeffro
Truth.
I wish the press would consider changing their POV when it comes to the upcoming election. They seem to want to go with noting all the ways trumpov is likely to try and rig the election/wreck the country afterwards, rather than ask the important question: who is going to STOP him.
It’s like reporting on a beating taking place right in front of you, and the beating victim is our country, and there they are, just noting for the record that the victim’s being beaten.
sdhays
@patrick II: Some people sometimes forget that in 2012 Rmoney ran the most dishonest campaign in modern history because the subsequent Republican nominee was so much worse.
trollhattan
@Princess Leia:
Fingers and toes crossed they don’t get any deals on this inked before January, because no way a Biden admin allows this to go forward. But we have months of danger in the meantime because Trump has actual competent people in charge on Interior and the like who are bundling resource deals 24/7.
raven
Geminid
@raven: I’m spoiled by North Carolina’s one week-$10 out of state license. They want those money spending yankees. I’m a Virginian, but down there I think I probably count as a yankee.
Another Scott
@sdhays: DogsAgainstRomney had his number.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS337025489620120213
He’s a broken human being.
Cheers,
Scott.
moops
““a multimillion dollar debacle and think of where that money could have gone,” i.e., testing, tracking and tracing.”
oh, ha ha ha, no. That GOP money was NEVER going to improve human life in any way.
raven
@Geminid: My wife is from Appomattox.
Frankensteinbeck
He was told there would be very few attendees. Note what he goes on and on about here, that lots and lots of people wanted to come and it would be a great show. That he stresses them so much means they’re on his mind because they’re the things he was told he has failed at. And let’s face it, the convention was entirely an excuse for Trump to give a speech to a huge, cheering crowd.
patrick II
@sdhays:
Someone (not here) suggested that since a lot of older folks are going to die Romney sees an opportunity to cut costs and therefore taxes by saving on senior medical care. Clear thinking capitalist.
Smartest thought Rick Perry has ever had was calling him a vulture capitalist.
rikyrah
@JPL:
????
She is a doctor
trollhattan
@raven:
Fun album for folks who know his catalog is Gary Moore’s “Blues for Greeny.” Moore plays several Green songs on his famous Les Paul, which Peter sold to Gary at some point. Some of that magic is there in the tracks.
Jeffery
@Seanly: The GOP has no bottom for incompetence in their standard bearer. I thought Dubya was the worst they would get. Then they gave us Donald. The next choice will be worse. Someone worse than Donald.
patrick II
@Jeffery:
So you’re thinking Tom Cotton is going to be their 2024 nominee. Unless Bill Barr decides to run from prison.
raven
@trollhattan: Dang!
sdhays
@Jeffro: I’m just so sick of how they continue to pretend like they owe him deference because he’s the President of the United States.
He’s a very stupid, very corrupt con man with brain worms who is squatting in the Oval Office while the country burns to the ground. There are feces spattered all over the White House and Federal government. Any respect for the Office of the President should be gone by now.
When your country faces its most serious attack in at least a generation and you pretend it isn’t happening and then, essentially surrender, you don’t deserve the mainstream press taking anything you say seriously!
Aleta
@raven: Better than Clapton, to me.
NotMax
@raven
Would imagine there isn’t a thriving market there for this scent.
:)
Haroldo
@trollhattan:
And here is Green at his best, IMO, ‘The Supernatural’ with John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeOKj5XdVA
(My apologies for the ad starting things off.)
JPL
@rikyrah: OB?GYN She’s having mild symptoms so far. This year really sucks.
trollhattan
@raven:
Such a great story. :-)
Poor Mayall. Clapton leaves to form Cream and is replaced by Green, then Green leaves to form Fleetwood Mac and is replaced by Mick Taylor, then Brian Jones dies and Mick leaves to join the Stones. Somewhere in the mix Jimmy Page something, something leaves to form Led Zeppelin.
Always a bridesmaid….
raven
@NotMax: Her dad did the millwork the they rebuilt the McClean House for the Centennial of the end of the war. I have a picture of here on the stage at the high school in a stars and bars outfit. . . the horror. The call it “The Surrender Ground” locally.
WaterGirl
@JPL: After reading the article at the link, I just have one thing to say.
Yeah, come on out of the basement, Joe, the water’s just fine! //
debbie
@raven:
Also.
Ruckus
@WaterGirl:
Narcissist doesn’t quite cover it, although it’s a partial reason.
Idiot seems to come closest to covering it. But I’d ask, are you sure he doesn’t know? Sure he keeps doing the same type of crap over and over and over and….. So I’d add dementia is certainly possible, but the two words that seem to apply are idiotic narcissist. So you are going to ask, was he always this bad, and that requires a bit of an explanation. First, he’s always been a narcissist, he’s just gotten more practiced as he’s aged. Second he’s always been an idiot with a self delusional bent. Third, he’s old enough for dementia to be an issue, whatever the cause of the dementia, alzheimers, circulation issues – he is in such great shape after all….or other neuro issues. He is not a normal human and that range of normal is rather wide but he falls on the below normal end, the abnormal end. There are a number of possible issues but the biggest one is that he’s absolutely not within any normal range and is president.
trollhattan
@raven: @Haroldo:
So much great music yet to uncover! Think I know how I’ll be spending part of this evening.
Another Scott
@Haroldo: Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.
moops
@Frankensteinbeck: One of Trump’s many many tells.
raven
@trollhattan: Ever hear this? John firing Keef Hartley.
And then check out the axe on Born to Die
Auntie Beak
Idk, I’d say DeSantis was already toast with a body count higher than the ENTIRE EUROPEAN F*N UNION last week. Kind of nice to put a nail in the old coffin, but no, dead man running.
WaterGirl
@pamelabrown53: That makes the short list!
raven
@Ruckus: Get my email?
rikyrah
Aleta
A Fool No More, Peter Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHUXqFlsJ4o
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Ruckus:
On some level he knows. There’s a reason his staff have to print out anything that speaks favorably of him. And there has to be some degree of panic about exposure, and even legal jeopardy in the state of New York (no way does he not pardon himself, I’d bet money he’s already signed it).
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: I was so sad when my Dogs Against Romney car magnet got so faded that you couldn’t read it anymore.
laura
@raven: what a singer/songwriter/musician! Also, the sublime Bob Welch.
https://youtu.be/g4685X55xj0
pamelabrown53
@WaterGirl:
If you can find a replacement, I’ll buy it for you. That’s a promise!
debbie
No love here for Danny Kirwan? He wasn’t just a pretty boy.
trollhattan
@raven:
Nope, that’s a new one on me. “How are you feeling today? I’ve got some bad news for you.” What, not a Trumpian “You’re FIRED!”
Ken
Dang. We’re getting down to a core of relatives and true believers, so it’s increasingly unlikely that we’re going to find out what really happened through a tell-all book.
Aleta
I’ve Got A Mind To Give Up Living, Peter Green
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxgY9eEFiYM
Geminid
@raven: Well, your wife certainly is not a yankee. I probably am, like half the people who now live in Virginia. If you count the foreign born, and their kids too.
raven
@Geminid: She’s as blue as blue can be!
Ken
@rikyrah: Horrible news, but I must admit a small pleasant surprise. Between Trump forbidding the CDC from reporting numbers, and reports of Florida cooking their numbers, I thought we’d be seeing reports Florida was covid-free by now.
Bill Arnold
@patrick II:
I’m more worried about the Democratic Party (and one I) cosponsors. Here’s the Senate list:
Sen. Manchin, Joe, III [D-WV]* 10/29/2019
Sen. Young, Todd [R-IN]* 10/29/2019
Sen. Jones, Doug [D-AL]* 10/29/2019
Sen. Sinema, Kyrsten [D-AZ]* 10/29/2019
Sen. Capito, Shelley Moore [R-WV] 11/07/2019
Sen. Alexander, Lamar [R-TN] 11/19/2019
Sen. Rounds, Mike [R-SD] 11/19/2019
Sen. King, Angus S., Jr. [I-ME] 11/20/2019
Sen. Warner, Mark R. [D-VA] 12/16/2019
Sen. Portman, Rob [R-OH] 01/06/2020
Sen. McSally, Martha [R-AZ] 06/01/2020
Sen. Cornyn, John [R-TX] 06/03/2020
Sen. Perdue, David [R-GA] 06/04/2020
ETA this is re “GOP COVID Bill Includes Romney Bill to Slash Social Security and Medicare “
JPL
@rikyrah: Betty must be so proud. We’re number one!
JPL
@Bill Arnold: Let’s elect Joe and take the Senate before we add to our worries. Right now we have a president who is using brown shirts to attack citizens.
lgerard
@debbie:
I saw Fleetwood Mac at the Fillmore East with Green, Spencer and Kirwin. Kirwin did a killer version of Great Balls of Fire
Just Chuck
@JPL: These are government troops so it’s really more like the SS or Gestapo.
Sister Golden Bear
Late reply to last night’s thread….
Here’s the definitive answers to UFOs (and time machines), from the wonderfully fun ’80s movie, “Repo Man.”
“There ain’t no difference between a flying saucer and a time machine. People get so hung up on specifics they miss out on seeing the whole thing. Take South America for example. [In] South America, thousands of people go missing every year. Nobody knows where they go, they just, like, disappear. But if you think about it for a minute, you realize something. There had to be a time when there was no people, right? Well where did all these people come from, huh? I’ll tell you where. The future. And where did all these people disappear to? [Otto: The past?] That’s right! And how did they get there? Flying saucers. Which are really…? Yeah, you got it, time machines.”
#PlateOfShrimp
Noncarborundum
moops
DeSantis deserves all the crap that is piled up around him and suffocating his political career.
Burn down you puffed-up cruel idiot.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@JPL: Yup. Biden is running on expanding Medicare, and that same article mentions there’s a bill in the House to expand Social Security, which bill I admit I am unfamiliar with.
I’m a little surprised at Warner, not that I’m surprised he has blue-dog leanings, but that whole thing is destined to go nowhere– hell the destination is nowhere, a committee to draft a report with recommendations– and I can’t see much upside for him in putting his name on it.
jonas
@rikyrah: Andrew Cuomo reading that headline: https://i.gifer.com/6tW.gif
trollhattan
This is just ducky.
Navarro needs to go somewhere. Prison would be good, how about prison?
Miss Bianca
@Haroldo: “The Supernatural” lives up to its name, and more. Chills upon chills. RIP, Peter Green.
PAM Dirac
@Sister Golden Bear:
“the more you drive, the stupider you get”
words to live by :-)
Anonymous At Work
Trigger Warning, Washington Post, but worth it: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-gops-pleas-to-republican-national-committee-for-financial-help-go-unanswered/2020/07/24/01cf57f4-cddd-11ea-89ce-ac7d5e4a5a38_story.html
The story of a party of slimy and warty toads (all negative connotations intended) that elevated as Herr Leader the most untrustworthy scorpion ever. Not trying at the House level will cost them only 1-2 seats in 2020 but it will cost them retirements in 2022 and increased polarization long-run, leaving them even more adrift against demographic changes.
catclub
@patrick II: ummm. Obama cut SS witholding taxes in the 2009 stimulus.
Not sure about Medicare. But the point was: the SS fund was not stiffed for the loss, but it was made up from general funds. My guess is: not so much. Here.
Danielx
@JDM:
You are correct, sir!
When you hear Trump telling a story and the word “sir” comes out, whatever comes after that is horseshit of the purest.
Hanging out on the back porch with two cats, the fan on, drinking imperial IPA and listening to Johnny Winter, which is an excellent way to spend to spend a hot summer afternoon in my fair state.
There’s a small general aviation about a mile south of where I live and a guy flies a P-51 Mustang out of there. That is one noisy sonofabitch.
jonas
Tonight my evening cocktail will be seasoned with the tears of all of the GOP high-rollers who made six-figure donations to the Convention Committee only to see Trump flush it all down a Covid-clogged toilet.
Cheers.
SFAW
@raven:
Shit. Glad to see the link was for “Oh Well.”
Sister Golden Bear
On a more somber note….
Emmett Till should be celebrating his 79th birthday today. But Till was lynched at the age of 14 after being falsely accused of whistling at a white woman.
For context, he’d be the same age as Dr. Anthony Fauci. The past is never dead. It’s not even past.
LongHairedWeirdo
It includes his tell. Whenever he’s about to tell a whopper, he always relates to how a person called him sir. Oh, and his other obvious tell: “everyone else was urging me to do something else”.
I’ll guarantee you, he was told the best case is if so few people attend that there’s no proof it spread Covid-19; if enough attend, it will spread, and remind everyone of the pandemic.
frosty
@Mike in NC: Other parts are nice. I thought Key West was overrated.
Wyatt Salamanca
I’ll see your “Thump-Thump, Whomp-Whomp” and raise you a “Wop bop a loo bop a lop bom bom!!”
trollhattan
@PAM Dirac:
THE essential ’80s movie. So very quotable. “The life of a repo man is intense.” Reading a copy of “Diuretics.” The generic “Food” and “Drink” containers. “Hey, let’s go do those crimes.” “But, what about our relationship?” “Fuck that.”
Ken
@jonas: I wonder if any of those high-rollers will demand an audit. We know the campaign is paying on daughter-in-law and one (possibly) future daughter-in-law $15,000 a month for, um, something. How much more money is flowing directly to the Trump family?
Kelly
Regarding Trump’s 75,000 Fed LEO surge.
Census of federal LEOs as of 2016, published Oct 2019
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fleo16st.pdf
The above doc opens with there are about 132,000 federal officers authorized to make arrests and carry firearms. So yeah there’s enough. The report breaks down where they all work and it seems a bit ill advised to have that many of them drop what they are doing and shift to tear gassing Democrats or whatever it is Trump has in mind. After following events in Portland this is a bit comforting.
SFAW
@raven:
oh yeah
Anotherlurker
@trollhattan: Mayall has always provided incubators for great guitarists. For example, I worked a Newport Jazz Festival in 1991. Mayall was on the bill and his guitarists were Walter Trout and CoCo Montoya. The last time I saw him perform his guitarist was Rocky Atis.
J.M. has always attracted the the best players.
Brachiator
@patrick II:
No. This is wrong for all kinds of reasons. However, even if you had perfect universal care, you would have to look at costs and future spending needs.
But as a total amateur about health care, I would still note that the absolute number of older people who die from the virus is relatively small compared to the total number of people over age 65. However, the costs of caring for people, including preventive care, is increasing tremendously.
Another Scott
@Bill Arnold: Warner is one of my senators (Kaine is the other). He still loves the idea of being an Gang of X Bi-partisan Problem Solver, but he’s not an idiot.
The bill is: https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/1143126
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/2733/all-info
There seem to be a lot of ways for the Speaker (among others) to throw wrenches in it, if it ends up being something dangerous to the various trust funds (it’s for everything with over $20B/yr in outlays).
November 12, 2020 seems to be the deadline. Since it’s stuck in committee and there is no indication that the House has any interest in it, I can’t see much happening with it (what with COVID-19, the coming depression, the coming election, and all the rest).
FWIW.
tl;dr – DON’T PANIC!
Cheers,
Scott.
(“Who has a perhaps unreasonable distrust of stories on TruthOut…”)
John Revolta
@Sister Golden Bear: @PAM Dirac: @trollhattan: Best part of all: turned out, Miller was RIGHT!
frosty
@Geminid: Here’s my favorite state park campgrounds:
Anastasia
Tomoka River
Blue Spring
Jonathan Dickenson (OK, better park than campground)
Myakka River
Big Lagoon
James E Powell
@Sister Golden Bear:
You eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?
NotMax
OT. Picture
Brachiator
@trollhattan:
Never seen it. Guess it goes on the list.
Baud
@Another Scott:
Not unreasonable.
James E Powell
@Brachiator:
Bud: Credit is a sacred trust, it’s what our free society is founded on. Do you think they give a damn about their bills in Russia? I said, do you think they give a damn about their bills in Russia?
Otto: They don’t pay bills in Russia, it’s all free.
Bud: All free? Free my a**. What are you, a f*ckin’ commie? Huh?
Otto: No, I ain’t no commie.
Bud: Well, you better not be. I don’t want no commies in my car. No Christians either.
Sister Golden Bear
@trollhattan: We need to add a plate of shrimp to the pie filter. (OK, so it’s not actually pie, but…)
John Revolta
@Brachiator: Note: Do not confuse it with “Repo Men“
Jinchi
Poor Desantis. Trump finally made a big tough guy cry.
frosty
@Geminid: If you’re from north of the Rappahannock you’re from Occupied Virginia.
Brachiator
@trollhattan:
Unfortunately, drones are too useful, too versatile, and relatively inexpensive compared to other devices. Any attempt to cub their use was doomed to failure.
NotMax
@Brachiator
Cult film; not everyone’s cup of strangeness.
Brachiator
@John Revolta:
It’s funny. I’ve always been aware of the film, missed it when it was originally released and just never got around to seeing it.
trollhattan
@Brachiator:
Came out at the end of Reagan term 1 during the booming AIDS crisis, has Harry Dean Stanton and Emilio Estevez, and a budget of tens, if not hundreds of dollars. What’s not to love? :-)
trollhattan
@Sister Golden Bear:
I’d be up for that, or maybe as a rotating tag?
JoyceH
@Ken: “We’re getting down to a core of relatives and true believers”
I saw a reporter on CNN say that they were down to the “Koolaid drinkers and immediate family.” The ‘straight news’ guys are getting a lot blunter lately.
And can I get petty? Heck, gonna get petty. Call me shallow, but lately I’m being driven nuts by Trump’s hair. When the hair gets mocked, it’s always the stupid ploofy front that people talk about, but what about the back? It’s long, but not long enough to count as ‘long hair’, just too long to be reasonable executive length. It’s long enough that all it’s good for is to be floppy and sloppy and messy and ugly and stupid looking. Every time I see him, among other things I want to shout at the screen, “and cut your hair, asshole!” is always part of it.
WaterGirl
@pamelabrown53: That is so nice of you! I just went to Cafe Press, where I originally found it, but no dice. It had the cutest dog on it. :-)
People used to honk at me at traffic lights and ask me to either pull up or pull back so they could get a photo. My Bark for Barack car magnet was popular at traffic lights, also.
Same thing with my Pussies Against Trump car magnet!
patrick II
@catclub:
It’s a two-step process. The goal is to cut funding and then claim insolvency due to government inefficiency. Like they are doing with the post office. The goal is to privatize (and profitize) as many government services as possible.
The underlying goal is to make the Democrats either cut programs, have larger deficits (thus the Oh my God, deficits! squeal during Democratic administrations), or to raise taxes.
It’s all variations on a theme, cause problems, let the Democrats try and fix the problem but lose votes until the next round of destruction and tax cuts happen when Republicans gain office.
JoyceH
@frosty: “If you’re from north of the Rappahannock you’re from Occupied Virginia.”
Dang! That includes all the Northern Neck!
zhena gogolia
@Sister Golden Bear:
Wow.
SWMBO
@JoyceH: Could be part of a weave that hides a bald patch. Longer because there’s no shorter hair underneath to fill in the blank.
zhena gogolia
@LongHairedWeirdo:
He also stole a line from a Biden speech, about how caring about Americans is what Presidents do.
WaterGirl
@trollhattan: I was thinking “hell”, but prison works, too.
Geminid
@Bill Arnold: Warner is my Senator, and I’m not surprised that he joined Sinema, Jones, Manchin and King to co-sponsor a bill modifying Social Security. Will they push for Romney’s bill to be included in the upcoming pandemic relief bill? We’ll see, but I doubt it. Even Romney may be just be barking at a car he knows he can’t catch, at least right now. There are clearly Social Security funding shortfalls in the long and even medium term. Addressing them will be a heavy lift politically, though. But if the next Congress can pass comprehensive immigration reform, and bring a younger cohort of millions of undocumented workers into the system, that will push the potential insolvency back years. Then we can heave a sigh of temporary relief, and kick that can down the road some more.
Tokyokie
@trollhattan: Repo Man is not merely one my all-time favorite movies, it’s one I use as a filter: People who like can be my friends, those who don’t, can’t. (And nobody seems to have a middle-of-the-road opinion of it.) Alas, my one-sheet that Alex Cox signed for me disappeared, but I do have his autograph on a poster of Straight to Hell.
patrick II
@Brachiator:
I was being mostly sarcastic since it’s not a position I would take. But not entirely sarastic since It is also not a position I would not put past at least some Republicans in congress.
zhena gogolia
@NotMax:
The cast is . . . interesting.
zhena gogolia
@JoyceH:
HE HAS NEVER LEFT THE 1970S
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
If pressed, would describe it as crudely amusing.
zhena gogolia
@NotMax:
I’ve never seen it. I like Emilio Estevez, if only because he alerted me to the fact the Martin Sheen is not Irish.
Another Scott
@WaterGirl: Is this it? They have a square and round version.
https://www.cafepress.com/+dogsagainstromneymous_car_magnet_3_x_3,1094228874
HTH!
Cheers,
Scott.
Brachiator
@patrick II:
Point noted. And I agree that Republicans will grasp onto facile and wrong headed reasons to cut Social Security and related programs.
zhena gogolia
I’m so focused on domestic politics that my Russian friend had to alert me to what’s going on in Khabarovsk:
trollhattan
@WaterGirl:
“Why not both?” :-)
But, in that order.
Tazj
@sdhays: I think our local news channels don’t do a good job of covering Trump either. The national news organizations are desperate for a Trump pivot but our local news acts as if the horrible national Covid response and his presidency are totally unrelated. Yesterday, they first talked about Covid cases across the country and in the area, then later on they showed pictures of him signing those executive orders for drug prices and it’s like everything with the president is wonderful.
It also just might be that I can’t stand to watch any news that doesn’t insist on his resignation every day.
I admit to sometimes visiting conservative Twitter for some schadenfreude. Lately, I’ve seen Bill Barr of all people being depicted as some sort of badass action hero with a leather jacket and various weapons. Can you imagine holding him up as a hero?
Sister Golden Bear
@trollhattan: Plus it has a number of cameos and inside jokes from the L.A. punk scene at the time, e.g. the lounge group at the nightclub were the Circle Jerks, playing very definitely against type; the scooter gang Mods were the actual Mod band, The Untouchables, etc.
#FindOneInEveryCarYou’llSee
Anya
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Still don’t understand what attracted him to Trump. He was a clown and a showman when he voted for him. Trump was still a liar and a failed businessman. I am glad this man changed his mind but “he was a businessman” doesn’t explain why he disregarded all of the warning signs. I don’t get people.
WaterGirl
@Sister Golden Bear: Technically speaking, the new pie filter is a dessert filter, so we’re not just limited to pie.
In order to add the sea lion chow – that was so adorable – to the pie filter, Avalune had to add “new Cupcake Flavor!” to the Sea Lion Chow package.
What’s the significance of the shrimp? Perhaps with a dab of frosting.. :-)
Sister Golden Bear
@Anya: Obligatory Upton Sinclair quote:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his
salaryideology depends on his not understanding it”Sister Golden Bear
@WaterGirl:
Check out the video I linked to at #134.
It’s all part of a cosmic unconsciousness, and a running joke in the movie.
Tokyokie
@Sister Golden Bear: I heard Alex Cox say at a screening that the Pine Tree Air Freshener company was the only one interested in a product-placement deal. In honor of there being “one in every car,” I bought several of them, drew Christmas ornaments on them, and sent them out as Christmas cards the year the movie debuted. Most of the recipients were amused, even if I stunk up their mail.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Anya: @Sister Golden Bear: also, unattributed, “Well of course I’d vote for a woman, but not that woman…”
One of the videos of ex-trump supporters getting passed around by (I think) Bill Kristol’s group is a woman who says she voted less for trump than against Clinton (I think she says “Hillary” which always bugs me a bit), she couldn’t vote for HRC because Benghazi. I’d actually be interested in a brief explanation of what she thinks happened
J R in WV
@frosty:
Key West was practically a rural fishing village back in 1971-73 when I was stationed there on a tender for a squadron of 50s model diesel subs.
There were only something like 6 or 8 hotels, and a condo that did seasonal rentals, more shrimpers than tourists and GREAT Cubano food!
Jimmy Buffet was playing in bars for drinks and tips, and parties for free. Jerry Jeff Walker, too.
Ken
@J R in WV: Some relatives visited Key West a couple of years ago and were describing it on a recent zoom call. I brought up the google satellite view and was surprised to see that pretty much the whole island has been converted to a suburb, ringed by hotels and bars.
It doesn’t really appeal to me, but I’m one of those people who has trouble driving over bridges when they’re more than five miles long.
WaterGirl
@Another Scott: It wasn’t that one, but that one is cute.
I found my original order, but wasn’t able to find it on the site now.
WaterGirl
@trollhattan: That works for me.
Sister Golden Bear
@Tokyokie: The Ralph’s grocery store chain also provided product placements: the generic cans of “beer” and “food”—which actually used the same packaging Ralph’s had for their low-budget in-house generic line at the time. Kudos to Ralph’s for having a sense of humor about it.
WaterGirl
@Sister Golden Bear: Never saw it. I looked at the clip, but I think you had to see the movie! :-)
Goku (aka Amerikan Baka)
@JPL:
@Just Chuck:
Speaking of the goons, the WH put out a video montage of people rioting in Portland:
A BLM account responded with a video showing peaceful solidarity:
The peanut gallery responded with this:
Saw plenty of similar tweets like it. I particularly loved the one about how “you can’t argue with libs. They say Trump has blood on his hands, yet they support abortion.”
They just don’t fucking get it. All Trump’s goons have done have is make the situation worse when things were settling down
trollhattan
@Tokyokie:
Hilarious.
Saw Polyester on first release when it was presented in “Odorama” with scratch-and-sniff cards having numbers you would scratch when it flashed on screen. John Waters got the idea from a review in which the author declared if you saw John Waters on a marquee you should cross the street to avoid the smell. Guessing he’d seen “Pink Flamingos.”
SWMBO
@Anya: Because Trump has a boy part and Hillary had a girl part. No wimmin gonna be the boss of him. Not after having a black man over this country. Nope. Not having it.
eddie blake
“you asshole, i’m GLAD i tortured you!”
zhena gogolia
@trollhattan:
I saw that too. I should have saved that card
ETA: I’m sure he was inspired by William Castle and the stunts he used to play for his movies like The Tingler.
J R in WV
@Ken:
When we were in Key West, there were only 8 or so hotels and motels. When we visited more recently, like 6 or 8 years ago, there were 70+ hotels in a 3 mile long island. SAD!!!
When we were there, hippies, transcendentalists, people waiting for their flying saucer to take them home, witches, artists, playwrights, for ex. Tennessee Williams was the wife’s boss’s buddy. And the Navy, there were at least a few thousand sailors, counting me.
It was very cosmopolitian for a rural shrimper port town. Great restaurants, too, some were open on Martha’s Vineyard in the summer, and Key West in the winter. Poor Richard’s Buttery. the French place on Duval St just a block from the old house our apartment was in…
Now mostly tee shirt places, drunk bars, etc. Sad!!
Sister Golden Bear
@eddie blake: “I’m going to ask you a few questions. Since time is short and you may lie, I’m going to have to torture you. But I want you to know, it isn’t personal.”
jl
“a multimillion dollar debacle and think of where that money could have gone,”
Could have gone to GOP internet ads with surveys so I, a very important patriot, one of the special 100 special super patriots chosen specially by Trump, can provide a job approval rating.
Whatever the fat profits the Lincoln Project execs are raking in, must be peanuts compared to the grift going on in the GOP.
Miss Bianca
@Sister Golden Bear: In my memory, since I saw it in the theater in the 80s and never since then, the “plate of shrimp” turned into that vintage Midwestern- Denny’s-at-3-am-special, the Mess o’ Smelt.
Mmmm…mess o’ smelt….
oatler.
@eddie blake:
I’ve since seen Olivia Barash in relatively mainstream roles.
Joe Falco
This is good news for
John McCainBrian Kemp.Martin
@trollhattan: It’s ‘let’s go do some crimes’. Maybe I’ve seen it too many times.
Excuse me while I fold my pants.
Geminid
@frosty: Thanks, interesting list. I’ll look them up. Besides Ft. Pickens, I’ve found Huntington Beach State Park, ~20 miles south of Myrtle Beach SC, to be a very nice place by a beach with small waves and warm water- my kind of place. And Mt. Pisgah Campground, on the Blue Ridge Parkway 20 miles west of Asheville, is very beautiful. It’s set among balsam fir and hardwoods, and rhododendron and ferns. Not a lot of flat hiking there, though.
RSA
@trollhattan: “Ordinary fuckin’ people, I hate ’em.”
That line runs through my head once in a while, as recently as last week.
ballerat
@Martin: Bigotry makes people stupid.
Sister Golden Bear
@Martin: You sir are correct!
Debbi: Duke, let’s go do some crimes.
Duke: Yeah. Let’s go get sushi and not pay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg2QOmFCARM
Yes, I’m seen the movie far too many times….
John Revolta
@Sister Golden Bear: “No one is innocent. Increase the voltage.”
catclub
@Anya:
me neither. I have herd that Trump’s time on The Apprentice made him look decisive and in control to a lot of gullible people.
frosty
@Sister Golden Bear: Only saw it once but never forgot it. Now I’ll have to find it on OnDemand and watch it after everyone else goes to bed. Not their cup of tea.
Ruckus
@raven:
Yes I did. Signed up for AppleTV so I could watch it, just haven’t quite got to it yet.
tomtofa
@JoyceH: The back of his head is straight out of a cheap horror movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=21&v=vHwOMWGAg_o&feature=emb_logo
Bex
@WaterGirl: I Googled Dogs Against Romney car magnet and a Café Press page came up with round, oval and square magnets for $8.45 plus shipping and applicable tax.
Tim
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
The eldest of my 6 senior siblings, Christ he must be 74 by now, and the least political of us, recently said words to the effect, “Trump? He’s so obvious! Why don’t they see right through him? I bet he was a bully in school!” So right.
Bill Arnold
@RSA:
You might like this:
Die Antwoord: Alien
(lyrics)
“They laugh at me because I’m different, I laugh at them because they’re all the same”
(How many people here have drunk much of a case of generic “Beer” (black and white)?)
germy
Bill Arnold
@germy:
The DJT administration is training wheels for anti-fascists and their allies. Not just on the street; all sorts of activists, and the media too.
Federal Agents Use Tear Gas To Clear Portland Protest (07/25/2020, Gillian Flaccus and Sara Cline)
The Feds are learning, but slowly because they’re not very smart…. :-)
To be clear, it’s a fight, and some on the right/fascist wing are quite dangerously competent.
tomtofa
@Sister Golden Bear:
That packaging still exists – thought of the movie when I took this in a back street in Galway last year:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/14348543@N00/50152839353/in/album-72157711427923026/lightbox/
Enhanced Voting Techniques
You over thought it with Trump Betty, Trump saw the sheriff saying he can’t guarantee his security omTV and is scared Anifta will get him. Remember to protestors in Washington had Trump cowering in a bunker.
Philbert
@lgerard: awesome, I saw Fleetwood Mac at Fillmore West, I don’t remember too much but they had some foulmouthed interludes and some wicked high energy blues!
LongHairedWeirdo
@JoyceH: I’ve always found it funny how he likes the “thumbs up” since he has those weird, curved-back thumbs. It looks like he’s more ready to point his thumb at his chest “that’s me, the incompetent people elected President” than to give a thumbs-up.
He’s not very attractive, especially when he does his “standing strong” where he thinks his crossed arms make him look like something *other* than the cranky toddler they make him resemble.
NotMax
@LongHairedWeirdo
The crossed arms appropriated from Mussolini.
No question about it.
Mike in Pasadena
@trollhattan: Now serving covid-19 droplets fresh from our cooks, waiters, and other guests! Welcome, it’s so nice to see you!