HOT DAMN. **Harrison Ford** makes a video debut to defend Fauci! ?pic.twitter.com/ui6KI8hCuQ
— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) November 3, 2020
Once again, Trump cannot resist making the worst possible ‘promise’, at the worst possible time. To the worst possible people, his in-every-sense-of-the-word BASE…
President Donald Trump has suggested at a Florida rally that he will fire Dr. Anthony Fauci after the election, as his rift with the nation’s top infectious disease expert widens while the U.S. sees its most alarming virus outbreak since the spring. https://t.co/Yyxg9C59lU
— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) November 2, 2020
… Speaking at a campaign rally in Opa-locka, Florida, Trump expressed frustration that the surging cases of the virus that has killed more than 231,000 people in the United States this year remains prominent in the news. That sparked his supporters to begin chanting “Fire Fauci.” …
It’s the most direct Trump has been in suggesting he was serious about trying to remove Fauci from his position. He has previously expressed that he was concerned about the political blowback of removing the popular and respected doctor before Election Day.
Trump cannot directly fire Fauci, who is not a presidential appointee. Theoretically, Trump could pressure Fauci’s boss, Dr. Francis Collins, or Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar to do so. Even discounting Fauci’s scientific legacy, taking that step would be politically extraordinary considering a Republican president, George W. Bush, awarded Fauci the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Fauci also has considerable bipartisan support in Congress…
The latest flare-up follows Fauci making his sharpest criticism yet of the White House’s response to the coronavirus and Trump’s public assertion that the nation is “rounding the turn.”
Fauci has grown outspoken that Trump has ignored his advice for containing the virus, saying he hasn’t spoken with Trump in more than a month. He has raised alarm that the nation was heading for a challenging winter if more isn’t done soon to slow the spread of the disease…
A Kaiser Family Foundation poll in September showed 68% of Americans have a great deal or a fair amount of trust in Fauci to provide reliable information on the coronavirus. That compares with 52% of Americans who trusted Biden to do that and just 40% for Trump.
One more reason to thump Trump soundly at the ballot box; the rest of the permanent GOP will be much less willing to jump to his commands if they’re busy shopping their resumes.
the fucking hilarious thing is that this is exactly the kind of thing he likes saying because it’s simple and stupid which means he’s going to say it 7,000 times in the next 48 hours
— GET FUCKING MAD ABOUT IT MACHINE (@golikehellmachi) November 2, 2020
Baud
PAM Dirac
I strongly suspect this is like his “we will have a perfect health plan in two weeks” and all the other bluster and bull shit that comes out of his mouth. He can’t fire Fauci directly, only Francis Collins can do that (and he can only remove him as Director of NIAID, Fauci can’t loose his government employment or salary without going though Civil Service procedures). Collins has made it clear that he won’t fire Fauci. Drumpf can fire Collins, but I strongly suspect he couldn’t even get an acting NIH Director that would agree to fire Fauci. It all is way too much work for the orange fart cloud who will be too busy whining about election fraud and stealing as much as he can before he is booted.
UncleEbeneezer
You mean the hugely popular (even amongst Republicans) Fauci? That one?
Smell the flop sweat of terror from this jackass…
Steeplejack
A-fucking-men!
Mary G
I can imagine some Republicans on the edge of abandoning Twitler being pushed over to Biden after this cluster.
Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!)
This kind of thing is why it drives me crazy to read those articles in the WaPo and elsewhere where the people supporting Herr Drumpf say “If you just ignore everything he says he has been a great conservative President.” Why should anyone ignore what he says? He says he’s going to trash laws and norms and they he does. He may do it in little nibbles or big bites, but he does it. I’m trying not to be a wreck all day waiting as I’m taking care of my wife who just came home from the hospital yeasterday. At least it’s sunny here in PA for a change and not a dreary depressing day, that helps.
Doug R
Luke Skywalker is in on it too:
https://youtu.be/uP-aGvbDpfc
patrick II
Why are most of the very best ads done by ex-republicans? Is there some school of hard knocks they attend? Training in to-the-pointism or something? I want to thank the Lincoln Project because they put country above party and, considering most Republicans are down on their hands and knees, that is no small thing, but where is our Lincoln Project?
Raoul Paste
[email protected]ud: He DOES look a tad like Obi-Wan
GregMulka
Since it’s open thread and I’m on a bio break. The polling location I’m working has two precincts run out of it. One at the upstairs entrance and one at the lower. The precinct I am working has not had a break in the line since we opened the doors 3 hours ago. The precinct downstairs has been as barren as my field of fucks.
Currently I am jealous.
Baud
@patrick II: Biden’s ads have been very good. LP ads are a nice supplement, but they don’t win elections for Democrats.
Josie
Fifth circuit in Texas declined to take the drive-through voting case. One more win for the good guys!
ETA: This is a very conservative court.
Jinchi
@Mike S (Now with a Democratic Congressperson!): Take care of yourself and your wife.
If it helps at all, remind yourself that pretty soon we’ll probably never have to listen to this man’s words again.
oatler.
Check out James Lileks’ supposedly “center-right” blog today. You’ve never seen so much flop sweat among the commenters. All while cursing “leftists”.
MazeDancer
Voted at 9:30 in my teeny Upstate village. They said 100 people were waiting for opening at 6 AM.
Big batch of people lining up as I left.
350 votes already. Seen school board elections with half that as turnout.
Scary amount of Trump supporters with fear in their eyes.
FaceBook must be demolished.
These folks are convinced something horrible is going to happen when Dems take control.
When the only horrible thing that could happen is if Trump got a chance to destroy Democracy.
jonas
So no-one outside Trump’s cult-like base thinks he says anything remotely responsible or informed about Covid. Figures. But what’s with Biden’s number? Do 48% of Americans simply dismiss him out of hand because he’s a Democrat or something? AFAIK, he’s never said anything remotely misleading about the pandemic. What’s wrong with people?
patrick II
White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany on FOX this morning:
I thought I was uneasy before, but now after finding the black vote has gone to President Trump, evidently because he is the best president for blacks with the possible exception of Abraham Lincoln, I am really uneasy now.
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RSA
@UncleEbeneezer:
The one who knows what he’s talking about, “the 41st most highly cited researcher of all time”? Oh, yeah.
jonas
They’re mostly not aimed at Democrats — they’re aimed at peeling shy Republican voters away from Trump.
dmsilev
@Josie: As I understand it, that case was specious even by the standards of conservative/partisan judges. They might well have gone for suppression if it had been even slightly less ridiculous.
SFAW
Firing Fauci will, finally, be the catalyst for impeachment AND conviction, because even Moscow Mitch will say “Enough!”
dmsilev
@patrick II: When this is over, she needs to get hit with Hatch Act fines. She’s a government employee, not a Trump campaign flack. It’s, what, $1k per violation? Could add up fast.
germy
Yes, I haven’t seen those numbers either.
Baud
@jonas:
Yes, except for a few people who just distrust all politicians.
SFAW
@RSA:
“I know more than
the generalsthe intelligence communitythe scientists“Doctor” Fauci aboutmilitary thingsspying on other countriessciencethe China virus.Omnes Omnibus
@MazeDancer: FWIW your comment got me to go look at my FB feed. Almost all Dems posting pictures of themselves in line to vote, Dems posting pictures of their “I voted” stickers, and Dems encouraging people to vote. The exceptions were on person posting a pic of Joe Biden from his HS or college days and saying she had no idea how hot he was, and one guy announcing that he was moving from Glen Ellyn to someplace in CO.
Jinchi
@jonas: Right. The Lincoln Project has a single focus: Destroying Trump. That allows them to take no hostages and pull no punches, but it doesn’t really matter to them if Democrats win going forward. They aren’t selling Joe, they’re selling anyone but Trump.
Biden and the Democrats not only have to undermine Trump, they have to make the case for their own vision of the future.
sdhays
@SFAW: ROFLMAO!
Josie
@dmsilev: True. I suspect their real problem was timing. If they wanted to seem reasonable, they should have filed it two months ago before voting started. It was pretty obvious that they only objected when they realized how heavy the turnout was.
sdhays
@germy: They’re being audited along with the President’s taxes.
SFAW
@MazeDancer:
One hopes that their fear would convince them to move to a “safer” country. Like Russia. Or Somalia. Or the DRC. Or the Marianas Trench.
SFAW
@sdhays:
My work here is done.
mrmoshpotato
@UncleEbeneezer:
Eww. I’d rather not.
Jinchi
@SFAW: Dream big.
dmsilev
@germy: “Zero” is a number. There are also an infinity of imaginary numbers; I could well believe Trump receiving 100,000i Black votes.
SFAW
Meanwhile, staying true to form, Hogan Gidley apparently felt the need to be a colossal dick toward Joe Biden this AM.
mrmoshpotato
@patrick II: ex-republicans? Nothing ex about the bastards.
SFAW
@Jinchi:
I prefer my dreams having SOME apparent connection to reality, however tenuous.
Ken
@Jinchi: The LP has been running ads against GOP senators and representatives, and some of their writers have been moving in the “burn it down so it can be rebuilt”. I don’t think they’ll be allies after the election, but they may keep attacking Trump’s enablers.
patrick II
@Baud:
I don’t see Biden’s ads as often, so I went to youtube and looked. I liked this one in particular. I also found several videos of Pete Buttigieg on FOX news. That guy is one eloquent S.O.B.
Peale
@jonas: Yep. Its not like Biden is going to declare that he’s going to cure the virus in his first Executive Order and with the second demand that everyone move into their basement for 18 months. But they pretend that’s what he’s saying so they can dismiss him in their minds.
Baud
@dmsilev:
Yes, Trump’s poll numbers look a lot better when you view them on the complex plane.
trollhattan
@Mary G:
In 24 hours the number of “hardly knew the guy”s out of Republican mouths will be so large as to be uncountable.
I do not think that is going to work.
LFG
trollhattan
@dmsilev:
Somehow, some way, zombie Herman Caine will be voting for the guy. There’s also that Minnesota Christmas-tree clown-sheriff, Clarke?
That’s two, depending on one’s views on an afterlife.
Ken
@Baud: But do all the places where he polls 0 have real part 1/2?
(Too obscure?)
There go two miscreants
@patrick II: White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany
She really is Baghdad Bob. It’s amazing.
Geoboy
@MazeDancer: Facebook delenda est!
MazeDancer
@Omnes Omnibus: Since I was the tail end of my group, because no early voting within 30 miles, I emailed my friends a pic of me in a mask with an “I voted” sticker on it.
In front of my American flag. Next to my handmade Biden-Harris sign.
Love seeing all he pics and vids of people – even total strangers – on Twitter.
JoyceH
@Jinchi: Gotta say, though. I saw that Ray Charles GOTV ad, and it was so heart-tuggy and gauzy and sea-to-shining-sea-ish, then it says Lincoln Project at the end and I was fairly gobsmacked. I associate them more with the go for the jugular stuff.
debbie
Here in central Ohio, there have been reports of obnoxious people at polling places, but none have risen to the level of intimidation. Or so they say.
Steeplejack
@There go two miscreants:
At least she’s consistent. The very first thing she said when she was hired—“I will never lie to you”—was a lie. Hard to believe she’s been around only six months.
Omnes Omnibus
@MazeDancer: I’ll just park this here. For all the ladies and gentlemen who want Biden eye-candy. This is the Biden photo in question.
Amir Khalid
Trump trying to knock down Dr Fauci looks like political suicide, or at least reckless disregard for his own survival in office. Or maybe I’m overthinking this: there’s no plan, no strategy to Trump’s campaigning, he’s just betting that his personal awesomeness will somehow pull him through like always, and he’s just saying whatever crazy shit comes into his head.
RobertB
@Ken: I ran into this one the other day: 1+2+3+4… = -1/12.
Heywood J.
Fauci turns 80 next month. Should Orange Foolius somehow stay in office, I have a feeling Fauci might decide he has better things to do with his remaining years than fight an idiot death cult. And he’d be right.
Steeplejack
@Amir Khalid:
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Heywood J.
@Steeplejack: CNN really knows how to pick ’em.
Amir Khalid
@RobertB:
No doubt you’ve seen the University of Nottingham’s controversial YouTube video on that.
debbie
@Steeplejack:
Good grief, she even talks like Trump: “in numbers you have never seen.”
Eolirin
The Lincoln Project folks have essentially burned all their bridges with the right’s campaign infrastructure. They’ll stick with the dems because they’ll want to be able to work and get paid for it. At the end of the day, political operatives are mercenary.
So I’m not that concerned by them. I don’t think they’ll have the capacity to shiv us later. Someone would need to hire them to do it, and they’d risk their new revenue streams from the left to take on that kind of work, without guarantee that they’d be able to replace the loss with renewed support from the right. Switching sides like this is difficult. Doing it twice, even more so.
But it’s not like there’s not plenty of others who will do that work regardless, and these people aren’t really our friends. They’re doing a job and they do it well, and that’s the beginning and end of it really. Better to have the talent on our side, sure, but it’s still just business.
NotMax
Thanks to commenter louc several threads downstairs for a link to this.
Full Metal Wingnut
A Republican (particularly) Trump health plan is just like self-driving cars, or an AI explosion, except on a shorter timescale. We’re forever two weeks away.
Kent
No shit. Even the Democratic Socialists or whatever they are called have ads that are way more lame than the median Lincoln Project twitter post. We need to up our game.
The positive heartwarming and heart-strings tugging Biden ads have been really excellent this year. But Lincoln absolutely owns the negative space. And they mostly do it with humor and irreverence too.
I expect there is really an enormous amount of Dem talent out there. Someone just needs to chip in a million bucks or something for production, like the backers of the Lincoln Project did.
Miss Bianca
@GregMulka: Curious. Can you elaborate? Why would one be jammin’ and the other…not?
Betty Cracker
This does not sound like a person who’s confident he’s going to win the election.
Essentially, he’s saying the U.S. doesn’t deserve him. I’m no psychologist, but I think that’s how a malignant narcissist would frame a rejection to protect his extra-fragile ego.
If he loses, let’s hope Trump jets off to Disgraceland in South Florida to pout and play golf until January 20th instead of deciding that if he can’t have us, nobody else can and trying to destroy the country in his remaining days as president. I think there’s a decent chance for the former because, in addition to his many poor qualities, Trump is a lazy motherfucker.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Oh, great, hope all y’all aren’t sending another RWNJ to CO – we don’t need no more of *them*
ETA: *You*, on the other hand, would be more than welcome to immigrate. : )
MazeDancer
@Omnes Omnibus: He was cute, no question. Still is.
Cheryl Rofer
Good to see that Harry learned something in that science for non-majors class I TA’d.
Frank Wilhoit
@Ken: Sir, thou hast won the Internets.
Kent
There’s still going to be a GOP. I’d rather it be run by rational McCain/Romney types rather than full MAGA and evangelical crazies who are beyond reason. But that also means burning down McConnell.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Amir Khalid:
I think this article from the New Yorker explains it best
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/11/09/why-trump-cant-afford-to-lose
One of the things I got from this article the only thing Trump sees in the presidency is the rallies, the rest is boring BS to him. If the crowd cants “Fire Fauchi” then it’s a good move in Trump’s mind.
Kent
Personally I think Fauci should take a welcome and well-deserved 2 months off to host the prime time “Fauci Show” on CNN between Nov-Jan of this year where he can comment unfettered about what is going on here and around the world and interview interesting guests and such. Then come back to help head up Biden’s Covid task force if Biden wins.
That would really make Trump’s head explode. To see Fauci on TV every day for an hour.
Betty Cracker
@oatler.: I’d forgotten that tiresome crank ever existed!
RobertB
@Amir Khalid: It’s like the Monty Hall Problem – some folks just refuse to wrap their mind around it. Not that I can either, but I’ll buy the fact that since it isn’t a convergent series all bets are off, and I’ll accept -1/12 as an answer.
Betty Cracker
@Kent: Birx has gone all Kwai Chang Caine here lately, just walking the earth to beg people to have some common sense and take basic precautions. Maybe she could have a cameo role on the Fauci Show.
Gin & Tonic
@Kent: Haven’t some of the LP people already been talking up Liz Cheney? How’s that “rational” thing go again?
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: I love mountains, but I am a Wisconsin boy.
SFAW
@Kent:
Your proposal is acceptable.
SFAW
@Kent:
Cheery thought, but Fauci would have to be on Fux for the Murderer-in-Chief to watch him. Of course, one of his moron minions might tell him it’s Fux, and he’s perhaps to stupid to tell.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: I hear ya. I love the mountains too, but at heart I realize I am a Midwestener. Cuz when I think of my ideal landscapes, they all seem to involve large bodies of water.
Then I remember mosquitos and humidity and find myself newly resigned to stunning mountain landscapes instead.
pajaro
Open thread right? I thought some of you might like the early and mail in totals from my county (Prince George’s) in Maryland:
Democrats–187,802
Republicans–9,463
Raoul Paste
So George W Bush gave Fauci the Medal of Freedom? Maybe this would be a good time for him to speak up
PAM Dirac
@pajaro: P.G.! My old stomping grounds. Of course the registration advantage is 474841D – 40095R so not unexpected.
Ken
@NotMax: I wonder what that disenchanted poll watcher expected? Buses with out-of-state license plates pulling up and disgorging dozens of minority voters, all claiming to be “John Smith”? And the poll workers would say, “Oh of course Mr. Smith” and let them vote?
My great anger at the claims of voter fraud is that my parents were poll workers for years, so the claims amount to saying they’re part of the fraud.
JCJ
@trollhattan:
As much as I would like to ship him off to Gopherland Sheriff Clarke is from Wisconsin. He was Milwaukee County Sheriff for years, in charge of the county jail and the interstates going through.
Gin & Tonic
@JCJ: Minneapolis, Milwaukee, who can tell the difference anyway, right?
Steeplejack (phone)
Thread:
Ceci n est pas mon nym
Was skimming quickly through the comments, saw this:
and said to myself, “excellent turn of phrase. Is that Betty Cracker?”
Scrolled back up to the name line and yep
You do have an unmistakeable way with words, Betty. I recognized your touch with a single word.
MazeDancer
@pajaro: That’s a good start
sdhays
@Kent: It would also take up time that he then wouldn’t be able to spend exercising his Presidential powers in the worst way.
Omnes Omnibus
@Gin & Tonic: Milwaukee has a proper lake.
rikyrah
@patrick II:
They are not our friends, but, even if they aren’t our friends, I don’t think that their talent can be ignored. They really ARE that good. And, I honestly hate to say that. And, I just don’t mean with the ads. They are all laser focused with messaging too. There isn’t a phucking thing that a journalist can ask them that will throw them off the message that they intend to tell during the segment.
laura
I’m ready for not having a criminal traitorous bumblefuck president.
I’m ready for more poll porn like pajaro brought
I’m hella ready for my beautiful Senator to become my Vice President.
Gravenstone
@MazeDancer: As always, it’s projection. They know what they’d like to do to others if Trump retains power and it terrifies them to consider it being done to them. Because they assume everyone is as depraved and sociopathic as they are (or at least wish they could be).
sdhays
@Raoul Paste: George W. Bush doesn’t give a shit about this country. He wanted to be President to satisfy his daddy issues, and he got that. Now, he finally gets to be who he always wanted to be: someone from which no one expects anything.
He’s not going to do anything.
Brantl
@patrick II: to be fair, they are Republicans kicking a Republican, they have a get-out-of-jail free card for meanness, hitting below the belt, etc. We won’t get that when bashing Republicans,
Chris Johnson
@Eolirin: They really are burning their bridges: their show last night went on at length about how they’ve been gaming out alternate paths to a Biden win and supporting them, for instance if Trump takes Florida.
I think the thing people struggle with is this: there’s such a thing as a smart conservative, but none of them can stand Trump anymore (he is power for their party, or was, but he’s tainted: run out of Russia, and toxic as hell). The cost is too great.
The notion of a PRINCIPLED conservative means ‘they have an ethos that is at least coherent’ but those ones turned against Trump even more vehemently. Doesn’t mean we like or want their ethos (I think the Innuendo Studios video ‘there’s always a bigger fish’ describes it quite well) but it’s important to understand that Trump neither helps nor SHARES their ethos. For some of these guys Trump is purely a Faustian bargain, tied up with some nasty pressure both political and Russian-mob, and you can’t blackmail all of them all the time.
So we wind up with the Lincoln Project burning all the bridges, because people smart enough to see the doom Trump brings are smart enough to see that a ‘win’ behind Trump is a win in name only, and in fact that’s what it was already in 2016. Their party got hijacked. It’s RINO now: it’s a terrorist rump state. It would be insane to think otherwise.
It’s possible to be a ‘USED to be Republican’ and not be insane. It’s splitting hairs whether you let these guys turn around and say ‘we were the REAL Republicans, these other guys are Russian-led terrorist actual traitors’. It depends on whether you want them to take a new name. They’ll be pushing conservative causes. They won’t be pushing Trumpist causes, QAnon, etc. though, because they are in fact smart enough people to recognize that they’re looking at basically warfare meant to tear down everything about America they used to like, and they’re not having it, not one bit.
And we do have this in common with them.
I like ’em, though I am very interested in which way they’ll jump and what they’ll be doing. I hope they turn to Q bashing and trying to dismantle the remnants of a terrorist state that Trump leaves us as a legacy. I’ll be continuing to pay attention to them.
SFAW
@Omnes Omnibus:
Is that Lake Wisconsin? I hear it’s a great — although not superior — lake.
Kent
Like I said, we are going to have a Republican party. Would you rather have Ted Cruz or Jim Jordan at the head of it? Liz Cheney is vile, but she’s never been the “burn the house down” sort of Republican like the House Freedom Caucus. In fact that bunch of clowns actually attacked Liz Cheney and tried to get her stripped of her position in the GOP House Caucus because she criticized Trump on foreign policy.
I’m not a Liz Cheney fan. Far from it. But she is far from the worst of that bunch. Someone from that current crop of clowns is going to rise to opposition leadership if Biden wins. Shrug.
SFAW
@Kent:
Charlie Baker. At least he’s not a traitorous, lying motherfucker like those two.
Jinchi
Gotta get to 100.
EDIT: OK 101.
Sab
@Chris Johnson: Not burning any bridges because their guys have memory shorter than your average fruit fly.
Robert Sneddon
George P. Bush, Jeb’s son is getting ready to make his national debut after interning in Texas as Water Commissioner. He’s already ticked off the requisite boxes of military service in a war zone (a couple of years JG lawyering in Iraq) and a Texas Governorship or Congressional seat-warming interlude is all that stands between him and the GOP Presidential candidate nomination, maybe in 2028 or thereabouts.
His mother is Hispanic so, the Bush consiglieres think, that will bring him a lot of Latino support. The Bush family influence will bring in the big money men and the usual white supremacist voters will propel him into the White House after America has tired of the next long national nightmare of peace and prosperity under the Dems.
moops
Firing Fauci would be hard, and Trump doesn’t like to do that much work. After the election Trump doesn’t have to do anything he said he would do, so nothing will come of this.
Now, those around Trump. During the lame duck they are going to try to destroy as much of the federal government as they can. President-elect Biden is going to have to issue a blanket “Don’t clear out your desk”.
The Pale Scot
@oatler.:
Gotta link? what I found is a disorganized mess, I’m not going to launch a search party
The Pale Scot
After Jan 20, there needs to be a huge Lock
HimThem Up rally at the Federal MallSmall edit